tv Charlie Rose Bloomberg October 21, 2015 6:00pm-7:01pm EDT
announcer: from our studios in new york, this is charlie rose. lewis is here. he is among the most dominant defensive players ever in nfl history. for 17 years, he terrified the opposition. he is a ravens all-time leader in tackles and fumble recoveries and was named super bowl m.v.p. in 2001 and played his final game in 2013. he writes about his journey through life and the nfl in this -- "i feel like going on." welcome.
why the title? ray: i am a huge fan of this movie five heartbeats. when i reconnected with my father, there were times that i could not -- i was not ok with hearing his excuses or hearing his voice. my father was a great singer. in this movie, the singer who was a lead singer of the heartbeats, talented, talented, but got into drugs. got into alcohol. got into women. he blew his whole career. at the end of the movie, he resurrected his life. song --ed singing the ♪ i feel like going on and when i really started wanting a
relationship with my father, i started calling him. i feel like -- seeing i feel ing i feel like going on to me. i started writing my book. dan looks up and he says, what makes you keep going? how do you trust people? like, that is your book title. i feel like going on. charlie: let's tell a quick story about that. he left the day you were born. again --id not see him i saw him again at 33 years old. charlie: and you are 40 now.
and the reconciliation came back because? ray: i was going to north carolina and my mom said, you know your dad lives there. ok. do you want to meet him? ok. i got through doing what i was doing. andalked up and kissed me he said, do you want to take a ride with me? i got in the car with them and i drove six hours. i never said one word and that is hard for me. i never said a word. i did not want to say anything because i wanted to hear everything he had to say. we drove six hours to another subdivision of north carolina and we pulled up to the screen trailer and we walked in and he said, i want you to meet your grandfather.
and i am, like, wow. and the first thing my father says to his father is, why did julie me? -- why did you leave me? charlie: so his father had left him. ray: we have five generations, 20 years. my son is 20, i am 40, my father is 60, his father is 80, and his father is 100. floor.n the i started listening to the history of missing fathers. at this time, i had my kids. i cannot relate to what you both are talking about because i would never leave mine -- ever. it is something i yearned for my
whole life. happens something that in a kid that never leaves a child when they learn how to live on their own. they never recover from that emptiness. every time i see my son, every time i see my daughters, they know i need a hug. i need to know, you are mine. that is the one thing as a child i never felt. i never jumped up in my daddy's arms. there was no daddy there. i immediately, after that conversation, i medially told him, -- i immediately told him, are you done? i forgive you. i'm done.
everything i've ever been hurt by, i'm done. hear -- i have lived 33 years of my life angry at my father. charlie: was that reflected on the football field? channeleds differently because he was gone. it was channeled positively because i had no other choice but to help raise my sister's and brothers. ray: is your mama -- charlie: is your mama a hero? ray: she is the ultimate hero. how id it and that is became my mother's best friend as a kid. charlie: you were a kind of father to the others. ray: i walked my sisters down
the aisle to get married. have four brothers and sisters. three sisters and one baby brother and i am the oldest. my mother would come into the house and a 10 years old, she said, i do not have time for you to be a child. i'm going to teach you how to cook, how to clean, how to fold, how to braid, everything. charlie: and you learned them all. , twomom used to come home hours a day, she would have two hours a day. her feet would be swollen from working all day. i would get up and make sure i was there. i would sit a bucket of epson
salt at the bottom of her bed. two hours, i would wake up, and get her back out the door. i would braid my sister's hair. i would take my little brother and sister and get them to the nursery. charlie: this is a great story about you. it is how a man is made. it is a very positive story. is there a negative part of the story? ray: the only negative is the odds are not with you when daddy leaves. the stories i get, countless stories about kids -- charlie: the street can become your friend because there is no place to be at home. ray: you wonder why so many young kids are going towards gangs. they want to feel part of something. every kid does not reverse it.
thing that is really -- that really changed my mentality. i was 24, to transition -- the night in atlanta and what happened, i was so devastated. life, beenr, in my the one. i cringe when i hear the horrific murders. -- when my mother's brand is tainted -- charlie: i bet you thought about that. ray: i will always be ok. charlie: but you were worried about her. ray: when you start hearing all of the ugly things that people
say and i am saying, i'm ok. but my mom used to call me sometimes and she is a praying woman. do not worry, junior. let me deal with all of that. all of the hate and all of that. i am good. what you raised, you stand by what you raised. rated r movies, cursing, i still don't curse in front of my mom. -- if i dongs that get frustrated at times, i get judgeated because people me from an incident. you can write what you want to write and say what you want to say, and the truth does not have to be said. charlie: what happened in
atlanta? of coming fromt a party. something you can never control. that is why i think you see it at a much higher rate now of violence. i was raised so old school. this is why atlanta does not add up with me. dispute with someone, a real dispute, circle up, knuckle it up, and both of you go home. if you want to fight the next day, go fight them again the next day. not too freakin'
kill somebody. thing that biggest really bothered me about atlanta through that story every second of my life. that never leaves me, man. because someone failed to do their job on one side, and to for family hating me something i did not do. i would never compare myself to jesus, but i do understand why he says you have to be ok with worldly persecution. people who -- judgment to crucify and destroy your name.
mental people who want to crucify and destroy your name. the things that people say to me, you don't know. charlie: i can take care of myself. ray: i can take care of myself. that is where mom the brand of who my mother is is why my mom is my hero. charlie: is there any better linebacker who played the game than ray lewis? it was -- i started playing the game to be remembered on thanksgivings, to be remembered
on christmas is. we used to sit around the table and in 1985, the early bears days, and i'm listening to my else.say, he is something wow. man, that man is that great that you sit around the dinner table talking. that is what i wanted. charlie: you wanted ray lewis to be the subject of the thanksgiving dinner. tell me how it felt to get hurt. -- to get hit. ray: it hurt. playing to be remembered. charlie: when did that happen?
early on? say, lawrence taylor was up there. i have a crew of linebackers that i studied. , mikece taylor singletary. these are old school. .reg lord when you started to watch this in one of my favorites became .unior say a -- seau ray: some say linebackers are the most gifted athletes on the field. -- charlie: some say linebackers are the most gifted athletes on the field. ray: we cannot have a weakness.
charlie: and you have to react. linebacker in the league represents me? and i said i would not do nobody that injustice. the linebacker is feared. i had a rule, you can throw it outside, you can do anything you want to do, but if you become between -- somebody is going to pay for that. somebody is going to pay heavily. charlie: what did you make them pay? ray: when you physically take your body and make up your mind that you are going to run full speed and don't think, but to know there is an object that you
are going to engage yourself, launch yourself into. the only outcome is either you give or they give and i am not giving. i wanted to run through them. charlie: and they want to run around you. ray: a bunch of people will tell game, started playing the don't touch me. this is pure war. ain't nothing friendly about this. straight, youhis are not my friend. i will take your head off if you come my way. this is a warrior mentality that is necessary to be good, and especially to be a leader.
ray: to be a warrior is the only way you will really be remembered. and they would talk about you at thanksgiving. do you regret any hits? ray: no. charlie: did you hurt anybody? ray: yes. charlie: are there people who may have had too many licks from people like ray lewis? this is a very physical and brutal sport. charlie: are you concerned about concussions? ray: no. charlie: are you concerned about the reputation of the game? ray: what i am concerned about, they are taking the game and
they are diluting the game because they want to protect their claims. if you leave the game alone, like always, the game will take care of itself. you are asking -- one of the -- one names right now of the biggest things in college football, they have created a term that is called targeting. head,layer launches his which is the first thing on your head intolaunch your somebody and you collide with their helmet, that is targeting. they are kicking babies out of games. a referee makes a mistake and they are never punished. what is the lesson? you make these roles. -- these rules.
if i turn my neck to the side, i am putting myself in jeopardy of getting hurt. it is too much. you have these people sitting at the top of the food chain saying, the reason why they really don't care, the hurts of heletes are so great -- rds of athletes are so great, on to the next one and on to the next one. we are the only ones penalized. only ones who are fined. charlie: you must be concerned for the game if you found out they are not doing all they can to prevent concussions. ray: you could say the same thing about boxing.
hit enough-- get times in the head, it is going to mess with your brain. it is what i told my sons. charlie: this is the bargain you make. if you participate in the sport -- ray: these are the odds, these are the facts. charlie: don't worry about the people that have been hurt because that is the deal they made? them to maximize their concern for the player safety? ray: not on our dollar. if i'm a coordinator, a creator says, that is the way you -- coordinator says, that is the way you hit him. but the league says, that is a penalty. charlie: what would you do not to have regulations if players violate regulations?
ray: regulations, something totally different. when you get into all of those other things, you are talking about rules, who it benefits. talk about a linebacker and everything is different for us than the quarterback. the quarterback, they throw it. lineman dives in our knees. that is a great block, that is what the commentators say. if you do that to a quarterback, he is dirty. charlie: protect the quarterback. ray: it is a quarterbacks game. it was declared that years ago and now it is even more
relevant. every man should be treated the exact same way because every man has a family and every man goes home. charlie: what you are saying, we should be protected and call the flag on somebody intending to hurt us as much as you call the flag on somebody like up receiver work better back -- like a punch receiver or a quarterback. you want protection against illegal hits, against people intending to end your career or your participation in the game. we know the nfl has basically said, we will suspend the coach or team if we find they had an organized effort to do that. ray: a lot of people should have been suspended by now. that is the only way you play the game.
we are making this sport -- we made this sport for one thing, competition. take everything else out of it. your competition. do not tell me that i cannot do certain things to win against the sky. the history -- against this guy. charlie: the ones we honored the most are the ones who played the what? ray: the nastiest. charlie: you stand here today saying, i am proud, not only was i the toughest, not only was i the meanest, i was the nastiest. and you did it to intimidate, so
that would say, we cannot mess with ray lewis. he is nasty and he is mean and he wants to take me out of the game. ray: and the next player watching that, i ain't run in that route -- running that route. lovee -- the reason why i the national football league is for whatt brands you everyday life cannot. ♪
charlie: someone told me watch the gladiator 50 times. ray: 100 times. charlie: because? 2000,t the moment, in when that chapter of my life out.ned, that movie came accused, a wrongly saw -- i saw a man falsely accused, straight from his family -- stripped from his family and i saw a man go from general to slave. i took every part of my life at and ioment and i mimicked
watched that movie and out of my eyess watching it, teared every time. arena. enters the what must i do? i am a slave. winthe crowd and you will your freedom. doing something that most men would dare to do. charlie: have you done anything that most men would dare to do? 200 and something with yellow jackets. charlie: in canton, ohio, in the
hall of fame. me what you are talking about is being the best. you are also talking about earning a reputation as the meanest, toughest, want to put a hurt on you on the field. ray: my position is linebacker. charlie: to put the fear and to intimidate. ray: you do not run into running back sensei, i am sorry, run -- run into running back's and say, i am sorry, man. charlie: did you do trash talk? what would you say? ray: i don't know. anything that came to my mind. i am knocking you out. i am a machine.
whatever came into my mind, i said it. ali's book. from he was ok with being him. ali's thing was to say i am the greatest and to prove he was the greatest. it is ok to say it if you can do it. i said at 17, i might be the greatest lineman. this kid is crazy, how could he say that? because i wanted to be the greatest. when i pulled off my cleats for if you talk to
-- people that i value charlie: the people who did what you do. ray: they would say, none better. charlie: or the best. in a category with only a few. charlie: what was lawrence taylor's number? ray: 56. marked 52. thing theylse had a kind of had. charlie: who was the best running back you ever faced? ray: that is an awesome question. one of the most awesome running
backs i ever faced was lawrence phillips. oh, my goodness. 1994, we played them in the orange bowl. tommie frazier was the quarterback. lawrence phillips comes on this play and i am 215 at the time and i come from about eight to 10 yards and i fly and i hit him so hard. he went back three feet. said, youis head and are going to have to drag me off this field tonight. we are here for a dog fight tonight. i am telling you, i love competition. manye played against so great running backs.
in college, it was lawrence taylor. you have to think about my division. eddiefred taylor twice, george twice. that was in one division. the quality of backs i faced back then was the highest level of backs. that is when old school football meant old-school football. charlie: you would rather take a running back down going for thet then i sat quarterback -- then a sack for the quarterback. ray: that does not excite me. what they call a sack is an overrated tackle. charlie: ray lewis. a story of parenting and a story
>> i will run you a hot bath. >> there are parts of the house that are unsafe. >> e-house as old -- e-house as old as this one, a living thing. never go below this level. >> has anyone died in this house? >> for your own best interest, proceed with caution. >> you are here with me. >> she knows everything. >> do we have to do this?
must we? >> yes. want?t do you i have to leave. go.ou have nowhere else to this is your home now. charlie: joining me at the table mia wasikowska, jessica chastain , and tom hiddleston. welcome. our friend guillermo del tauro was going to be here. it never fails to imagine me -- this is one of his three favorite films he has ever made. why do you think that is? tom: he has poured into this
film all of his passions. his greatest inspirations, his favorite novels, his favorite movies and paintings, all of the things he loves most in the world. the genre of gothic romance. he is a director who finds beauty in the shadows. that is why he loves it so much. charlie: i am told he gave each of you 10 or 15 pages of back story. pretty incredible because usually, i do that on my own. this is the first film where the director gave me the information of what happened in the family, what happened when she was born. what a great starting point for an actress to fill in the character and being on set, guillermo and i were on the same
team. we both have the same secrets. charlie: it made it easier. jessica: much easier. sister of sir the thomas and they are desperately trying to keep their house going. it is sinking into the clay and they need to find the money to bring the house back from history. ho is deeply rooted in the use. you know, she is all about history and the past and wanting to be there and stay there. edith is all about the future. dreamermas sharp is a
and an engineer. as the film opens, we discover that thomas is in buffalo, new york, and is looking for sponsorship for his new machine. he is distracted by the energy and the beauty and the charm of edith. they are both creative people, both outsiders. in the structure of gothic romance, he is the tall, dark sranger with a mysterious past. charlie: what is the relationship in terms of the feeling between thomas and lucille? much,ithout revealing too it is a complex one. they are brother and sister. there are many things they share. aristocratsensibly
from the old world of europe. and the house they own sits on crimson peak. they are victims of their inheritance in so many ways. the house is a representation of the very complex and damaged inheritance, psychologically and physically. it is a film about the past and the future and you can be weighed down by the secrets in your past. thomas and lucille are different in more ways than their gender. as the film progresses, they make different choices. charlie: and you represent edith. mia: at the beginning of the film, she is an ambitious young writer and slightly naive. that is why she in sup getting
swept into this romance -- why she ends up being swept into this romance. lucille and edith are polar opposites and tom's character is in the middle. representing the struggle between the past and future. charlie: a perfect segue to this scene. ♪ [dog barking] >> goodness. how many rooms are there? >> i don't know. would you like to count them? what do you think? does it look the part? >> it does. although it is even colder inside then out. >> we try to maintain the house
as best we can. the wood is rotting in the house is sinking. because he is not here, let's represent him. what does he bring to the directing? he has got such a unique imagination and he brings his own perspective to his films. manages to mesh together a number of different genres. i do not think any of his films are specifically one drawn up -- one genre. he is so supportive. charlie: if you look at the body of his work, you come away with the impression of what kind of mind is behind this. mia: i think the healthiest
people are the ones who make the most disturbing films. they work out their stuff in a controlled space. jessica: one of the very first interviews i saw of guillermo was on your show and he brought his journals. a perfect representation of who he is. he is constantly thinking in his imagination is going wild. he loves his monsters. he has compassion for someone that first glance, whether it be people or creatures, you think, that is wrong and he goes, maybe not. charlie: one of the programs, we called it the three amigos. jessica: it was incredible. charlie: interesting the way he
did that. jessica: it was incredible. charlie: what is the difference between horror films and gothic romance? romance is literary. the time that gothic romance came around was a very rebellious genre. it was a way of expressing things about society that were repressed, which were sexuality and the fear of death. --hic romance acknowledges the first genre to speak of the supernatural. ghosts were emotions trapped in time as opposed of -- as opposed judeo-christian view of god's and demons.
they were spirits who were unquiet or not yet at rest. coupled with that, there is always a young heroine who is drawn toward something very dangerous. these two forces of love and death are at war with each other. charlie: tell me about this character for you. jessica: i've never played anyone like lucille. she broke my heart. i was really moved by this case study of loneliness and a study of someone so desperately wants to be loved and to give love, but does not understand how to do it. the ammo wrote some beautiful -- guillermo wrote some beautiful things about her.
for lucille, love has been connected with a kind of pain and suffering, whether she is taking a beating for her brother or taking care of her mother. for lucille, it is one in the same. dog. her as an abused when you see them in a cage, they so desperately want to be held. the second you reach for them, they bite your hand. vulnerable and scared, but this makes of mix ofes --mix -- opposites. >> the shadow. groans.ws and
>> i just did a proper walk. i want this house to contain friendship and love and warmth. >> warmth would be an excellent start. thomas, your bride is frozen. bath.ill run you a hot the pipes full run red at first because of the clay. would you mind getting me a copy of the house keys, please? >> you don't need one. there are parts of the house that are unsafe. >> come on, edith, come with me. charlie: interesting costumes as well. jessica: i were seven inch
platforms underneath the dress. like.d to be twin- the character loves restrictive -- constrictive clothing. i have talkednd about expanding roles for women. are you finding that? you seem to be doing a variety of things. jessica: i am really lucky in that i've been given the opportunity to play characters that are very different. in 2011, i had seven movies come out where the characters were so different. as an audience member, i want to characters forte women and not so many
stereotypes. the great thing about this film, there are two incredible female roles. charlie: i heard dmo -- i heard that guillermo let you pick one or the other. jessica: i think he thought i would respond to edith. maybe he saw it as more similar to me. that is usually where testing comes from. i don't know. wantedread it, i really to challenge myself and do something i've never done. mia is so much better than i would have been in that role. charlie: would you have liked to a played the other role? mia: i think they are both such great roles. i think guillermo has two
daughters and he is so in love with his wife. he never waters it down and never minimizes it and that is quite rare for a male director. -- if heou were here were here, i align myself with him in this regard. the men -- the male characters are all ineffectual. things and they do not succeed. the women on my left and right --it is a film about women, it really is. the heroine is not saved by the tall dark stranger.
the heroin saves herself. that is profound and probably all too rare. charlie: how did you come to that in your own head? : it kind of changed a little bit as we were filming as it always does. you can do so much preparation --itthen things inevitably inevitably changes. was so on it in terms of never letting me be passive. charlie: where you born? mia: australia.
i started being interested in film when i was 15 and i did a google search for agencies and joint a child acting -- and joined a child acting agency when i was a teenager. tom: since i graduated from drama school, they cannot train you in the truth. mia is one of the most natural actresses i have ever worked with. she is incapable of not telling the truth. charlie: thank you for coming. great to have you here. peak opens on october 16 in theaters and on imax. qa for joining us.
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