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replaced it with a timebomb. today, jeb bush tried to stick it to rubio. >> the point is, pursuing your own ambitions at the expense of others is the wrong way to go. i admire marco but i think we need to focus on who can lead? who can forge consensus? that is my approach here in new hampshire. i will be campaigning hard all across the country with the message that i can fix the things that are broken. mark: what happened last night
and what have his next? he suggested jeb bush's campaign is close to done. how dire is it? john: it is dire -- not just because the performance -- i think the problem is that this is such a revealing performance. there was so much on the line. so many people were looking. can he rise to the occasion? not only did he not rise, he shrunk. that tells you a lot about the fact that he is not up to being the nominee. mark: our colleagues report that he is saying he is ready to change and fight. i was stunned, the number of people who like him, supporters saying they don't know how he comes back, he is losing donors already. some undecideds will go to rubio. when there is no establishment candidate, when there is another debate in over a week and bush has a lot of assets, i don't
think he is no longer the most likely nominee. he is no longer in the top three. he can still do it. john: i don't think so. the man of the hour was clearly marco rubio. he took jeb bush's premeditated attack about his record and turned it on his head. is marco rubio now the front runner? mark: he is not that he has put himself in a position to be the establishment choice. he will raise more money. will he catch on with voters? you wrote that his poll numbers will go up, but let's see if it goes up in a sustained way. but states will he win? john: when we did our focus groups, voters who are impressed with his performance in simi valley.
his numbers did not move much but this moment is going to get 100 times more attention. everybody has seen it. i think his poll numbers are going to go up and he was already on her role going into it. i don't necessarily think he will be the nominee, i think donald trump is more likely, that he is in the best position to consolidate the establishment vote. mark: when he was criticized for his spending habits, which is one of his vulnerabilities, he likened it to a criticism in the media. he is going to go to the conservative base and say this is just the left wing media. he has inoculated himself against these attacks. john: very smart and very powerful. you think about the research mentality focus of the bush
campaign here in they are going after him on his attendance record. there are good reasons for that. he did it again today. part of what that is as may be some weird fixation on that issue but also because they realize that he is successfully inoculating himself with the help of the new york times against a lot of the personal financial stuff people thought he would be more vulnerable for. mark: if the logic of the bush campaign is to be the last to establishment candidate, the question is will the super pac go after rubio? there was another shining star, ted cruz. he wins special brownie points for elbowing the mainstream media. who is positioned better at this point amongst the young senators? john: rubio is better
positioned. there is no clear establishment alternative. the establishment does not have a front runner. ted cruz has two people in front of him, donald trump and ben carson. i think ted cruz did a lot of good last night. maybe trump and carson will fade away, but cruz is still third. that makes him less likely than rubio. mark: when we talk about rubio getting fundraising, his fundraising last quarter was disappointing. cruz's was overwhelming. the other thing about cruz, i will say again, when he does well, his high confidence gets even higher. john: the question about him though, he did this thing where he basically took the approach newt gingrich did in 2012. it works with republican audiences but it is not a card you can play over and over.
you have to find a next act. mark: he is playing it in a high profile way. john: it got old with gingrich. mark: [indiscernible] john: he has to figure out another way to break through. it is a fierce and effective card to play but there are other things he has to do in order to make himself in the top tier. mark: these two guys are going to get more scrutiny. we talked about -- let's see how the scrutiny is on ted cruz. john: donald trump and ben carson where the co-front runners in some sense. my question for you, mark, about that they can name's, how did they come out last night? mark: they were fine. the establishment filter will always look at their performance
and find things to criticize, they will say carson is vague and weird, trump is too hot or out of it. i greeted him below the top grade and i think they both right now are focused on not just their performance, but their fundamentals in terms of their organizing. they want to have operations that can compete with the establishment. john: i actually thought last night was donald trump's best debate performance. last night, i thought he gave a pretty carefully modulated performance. some people are like -- i thought he was funny, he was not as caustic as he has been before. he aimed his darts at effective targets. he is boasting. i thought as a debater, he was better last night then he has
been so far. mark: my belief that we may be heading toward the trump-kasich ticket. john: he allied himself with carson in one response. very interesting that he decided to do that. he seemed annoyed with john kasich. mark: it will be fascinating. i don't think anybody anticipated marco rubio and ted cruz dominating so much. bush talked the least. lets you what happens in the next debate. john: now the latest episode of better call paul. paul ryan is now officially house speaker. with the outgoing speaker bidding idea, it got emotional. >> the hill had twists and turns and a few tears. let me tell you, it was just perfect.
never forget we are the luckiest people on the earth. john: here is house speaker ryan agreed in his new son checked. >> we will not dock the tough issues, we will take them head on. we are going to do all we can do so that working people get their strength back in people not working get their lives back. no more favors for the few, opportunity for all. that is our motto. [applause] john: for we say go, rap publicans were seen as dysfunctional. they were a toxic threat to the party's brand. with paul ryan now with his grip around that speaker gavel, is that analysis void?
mark: not only ryan with the gavel, but the fact that they dealt with the debt ceiling, they'll deal with the budget, i think paul ryan stepping up and behind-the-scenes, boehner making sure not only he took over but that he got with clean slate, i think the narrative that the house republicans were going to ruin the party brand and hurt the white house chances seems taking care of for now. there are problems ahead. john: we know that ryan is seeing the position as a spokesman. a message platform. i thought watching that thing on the plane, i thought to myself, this is a much better looking republican party. we have never seen a speaker who has walked up and looked younger than us. that generational contrast, he will be criticized -- he will be
debate, his record, marco rubio, and jeb bush. mark: how would you characterize the state of the nomination? gov. christie: he who endorses conquers. it will be a long race because it is a nomination worth having because hillary clinton is deeply flawed and a tough opponent. i'm in it for the long haul. i think we showed people that i am tough and tested and mature. mark: is there a front runner? gov. christie: there never has been. there has not been a front runner, it is wide open. when you look at the different candidates, no, it is nowhere near that. in late october, mccain was first in the polls. mark: remind people how old you are. gov. christie: 53. mark: do you have more experience in marco rubio?
gov. christie: there is no question. i have been a governor in one of the toughest states to govern. i was an attorney for seven years before that running one of the largest offices in the country. i definitely have more experience as an executive, that is what matters. marco is a good friend of mine, but we have already had a one term senator president, we saw how well he ran the government. i don't think that is the experience we want. marco is a good guy and a credible candidate. but i have more executive experience. mark: what about politics, do you have more political maturity? gov. christie: i have more political maturity to anybody on that stage. i have wrote in the toughest media market in the country for 13 years as a republican. you take a lot of knocks and here i am standing in speaking my mind in continuing to move forward. i think that shows enormous amount of maturity, and that's what you need against hillary. last night was tiddlywinks
compared to next year. mark: what have you accomplished as governor? what would you take a washington as president? gov. christie: i would take on tough issues. you have to be willing to take those on here it i took on property taxes in new jersey. we have slowed property tax growth to record levels. we have made the pension and benefits system much better. it is much better than it was when i came in. we need to take on teacher tenure across the country. lastly, attitude. i want his job. i'm not going to complain about how hard it is. i'm not going to complain about any of that stuff. i'm here because i want the job. people can tell, and that makes a difference. mark: people have raised questions about your end -- economic record in what have you done in terms of private sector in job growth?
gov. christie: first, i vetoed more tax increases in any governor in american history. i will nature that taxes do not increase. secondly, statistics that just came out, new jersey's jobless claims of the lowest they haven't been in 15 years. that shows the strength of the new jersey economy. we have generated over 200,000 private sector jobs. it years before i was governor, they had zero. mark: what about policy ideas? gov. christie: lower taxes, less regulation. it is making sure that you free up people in the state to do what they do best, and get government out of the way. we should try to give them a nudge in the back.
mark: current foreign-policy challenges, which one you consider to be the most pressing that you wish obama were more aggressive on? gov. christie: first, the situation in syria. the president needs to be assertive and used to set up a no-fly zone and tell vladimir putin enough is enough. secondly, russia, making sure we engage in an economically and diplomatically to improve that relationship. third, china, the most complex relationship we will have to deal with. we want to make sure that we contain them militarily. fourth, better relationships with canada and mexico, our biggest trading partners. we need relationships with them to improve our economy and make a stronger north american continent. mark: i have been laughed at by people who said he had no chance.
i think he has a good chance now. john: i'm pretty sure i have left you. mark: yeah. chris christie could be the nominee now. john: i think there is no doubt the races is more fluid than it has ever been. i believe jeb bush will not be the nominee anymore but because of that, it creates an opening in the establishment side. marco rubio is most likely, but chris christie was good last night. he gets better at the back half of the debate. he starts slow that by the end, he hits his stride. he has not had a breakthrough moment, but he is getting there. i am starting to think -- i am ready to take the fork out of him. mark: the christie and rubio face off would be fascinating. when we come back, jeb bush versus marco rubio. ♪
mark: everybody has seen the clip of jeb bush trying to slam marco rubio on the attendance record. that wasn't the only problem last night. not the only thing that made his night so atrocious. let's take a look. >> the biggest tax increase happened under the obama -- you find a democrat for cutting spending, i will give them a warm kiss. i'm 7-0 in my fantasy football league. they cannot regulate themselves, the nfl needs to look at moving away from them a little bit. there should be some regulation. i have no clue whether the government is the proper place. my instinct is to say, hell no.
>> [indiscernible] >> are we talking about getting the government involved in fantasy football? we have $19 trillion in debt, people out of work, isis and al qaeda attacking us, and we are talking about fantasy football? john: so that was chris christie showing how jeb bush should've answered that question. break it down for me what you thought was so bad. mark: the big moment with marco rubio was a disaster but he talked less than anybody. he was not commanding. if you are going to say, my premise is that i'm the only -- i'm the most qualified, you have to be, and you have to be more fluid. there is a personality inside jeb bush that is fluid and commanding, you have to show it. he knew that he had to do it. john: he did not get that many questions last night.
the argument was that he cannot get enough time. that may or may not be true but to me, the more powerful thing was with the time he had, he did nothing useful. i went to the transcript after watching and look to the exchanges, there was not one exchange where -- with the exception of the marco rubio exchange -- the rest of them, i don't know what his message was here and i don't know what he was trying to do there. there is no moment where he said, this is my strategy. a personality he is trying to portray. mark: he is telling his donors today, i get it, i will be different. he is not going to get many more chances. if he has a great debate performance the next time, the problem is, the press and the moderators, people are not looking as him -- at him as the center of attention. john: we don't disagree about that. if he has a great debate performance, i will change my mind and say he has revived his candidacy.
throughout this year, he has not given a great performance at any debate. all of the problems were on display last night. they have been characteristic problems. i don't think he is going to change. mark: he also did not get in the race to criticize marco rubio's attendance. the notion that he is going to win this arguing on something he doesn't care about. john: the guy he who said he wants to run joyfully doesn't seem -- mark: so, we are done with that. ♪