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soldiers in the wake of the deadliest wave of violence in modern french history. -- paris was the scene of a site of violence that took place at lan hunter told. the death toll-- concert hall. the death toll, 100 persons skilled. -- killed. over 12 people killed at a restaurant in paris. people were having dinner. it was at 10:00 p.m. the gunmen stormed the restaurant. they were explosions, believed to be suicide bombings that took outside the soccer stadium, where president hollande was taking in the match. the president will be speaking to his countrymen. we are waiting for the time on
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that. earlier, the french president did speak. he is saying of france is closing its borders, and france is now under a state of emergency. again, these terrifying numbers are coming out. at least 100 hostages killed at the concert hall. over 12 others killed at the restaurant. 1500 soldiers are being mobilized. is president of france closing the borders and instituting a state of emergency. he has canceled his trip. he was going to attend the g20. he will stay at home, of course, understandably. this is the deadliest wave of violence in modern french history. cory: thank you. i will run you through what the world leaders have had to say. french president francois
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"there ares said, several persians dead, much more wounded." president obama said, "this is an attack on humanity." british by minister david cameron said, "i am shocked by the events in paris. my thoughts and prayers are with the french people. we will do whatever we can to help." alix: joining us on the phone is the vice president and global terrorism analyst at stratford. riva, how do you start connecting the dots? riva: we have to look at the identities of the perpetrators. we know there have been a number of lone wolf attacks. grassroots attacks are something entirely different. if you are lone wolf, you are
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radicalizing yourself in many respects did you have to go through every -- respects. you have to go through every step yourself. when you have teams of people who can work together and motivate each other and have that logistical reinforcement, this is obviously a much more serious that. -- threat. the question is, is this truly a group of grassroots selves in operation here? what is the connection to the islamic state core in those battles owns in iraq and syria -- battle zones in iraq and syria? that is going to be the very inortant part to look at determining what will be france's next actions abroad. the: in terms of , weerence, lone wolf thing
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can see with these attacks happening all at the same time there may have been some kind of planning of the timing. how do you start to attack that? reva: these attacks were happening in very close timing with each other. it is very similar to other grassroots attacks we have seen. the level of ordination seems to be there. what we need to see is what are the connections, beyond those, if any. in accordance with the bombing of the russian airliner out of egypt, the isis factions can hold other countries responsible for actions in syria. are those types of attacks sustainable? was -- if we see people responsible for these attacks that can order them in
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short order, that is a serious threat that afflicts western countries which are becoming increasingly involved in the battle against the islamic state in iraq and syria. what makes you think that isis was responsible for this? reva: we have to see whether there is such a link. we have been seeing leaders more attacks in the west. alix: and what made you think that isis, that's what it is? reva: when you look at the have beenons, there
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some witness calls on what was explained at the time of the attacks. -- exclaimed at the times of the attacks. there have been reports of akhbar" at the times of the attacks. if you see capable groups like this that can be record attacks in multiple locations, yes, some of these are going to come to her. france has been preparing for this for some time. there have been recruits to battle zones such as iraq and recruits forer of these types of attacks is unfortunately very large. i want to bring a colleague here. david, you have been get
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ting a sense of what is going on in paris. what is happening? still a lot of people are waiting and seeing what is happening. i'm seeing quite a social media conversation about people opening their doors, people looking for places to stay. cory: taxis giving free rides? david: exactly, turning the meters off. we've heard the borders are close. the trains are running, the airports are open. obviously, the search for who is responsible for this is going to be widespread throughout the country. there isveryone looking at schools and universities being closed tomorrow. cory: i'm sure people are wondering because of the widespread nature of this where to turn, where to go, if they should get out of where they are, how it must be to get around? david: people are turning to
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social media. va, we've seen the effect in paris, but why paris? why such a hotbed? reva: we've seen a number of recruits come out of france to battle zones like iraq and syria. a lot of radicalized youth have been coming from france. have also been involved in the battle against isis. there were just five days away from sending aircraft carriers to the gulf. if those links are sure between these attacks and the core of isis, you can see the rich will
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deepen.- rift will it makes the country more vulnerable for these kinds of attacks. cory: they might be more angry at them then sympathetic as they experience the kind of terror that happens to people in the middle east, particularly syria during the past three years. reva: these attacks will provide in france, as well ofthe center right party nicolas sarkozy. across europe are shifting to the right when it comes to closing borders to immigrants. we have seen those debates intensify in, sweden, all over eastern europe. those have profound implications. look at the german political crisis.
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this has serious implications not just for the migrant issue but how germany manage the crisis, and a number of different things, including the situation in russia, given these giant political distractions at home. alix: do you expect a deeper swing to the right? you expect closing the borders as being the first step? what is the geopolitical background looking like? reva: we've been watching fragmentation on the contin hile now. wil with the watching reversals in the eu. it is a natural outcome when you have national sentiment rise against a security threat.
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there is social stress caused by the migrant issue, economic stress. playing to this center right across the continent. you will have a germany that is more intolerant of compromises. you have to respond to your political constituents at home, and that constituency is putting on more and more demands on leadership to look to the national interest before looking at the interests of the european union. in a we're going to bring whoterterrorism expert authored "bin laden's legacy."
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when i saw this news breaks, i really thought of what happened the charlie hebdo shooting, and i wonder, i love to hear from you, what changed in paris? what changed after the attack in terms of security measures? >> a lot of things changed. employed been military . when i first heard about this, the thing i thought about was not charlie hebdo, but the 2008 mumbai attacks. this is an urban warfare attack. ohis is an attack designed t occur not over just a few minutes but hours or days, designed for maximum attention and casualties. we saw it at the westgate mall. we sought in nairobi. -- saw it
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nairobi. cory: what strikes me is that these are not necessarily tourist attractions, not hotels it is peters, it is places where ordinary -- it is theaters, it is places where ordinary parisians would be. aveed: the mumbai attackers were selected in terms of their targets. this has been a much more indiscriminate attack. it's happened in sony places in paris, right around the same time, this is something very new here. this was a court needed attack involving a lot of plotters, and it happened in a major western city. a few years ago, people hoped
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the age of mass casualty attacks in the west might be over because of surveillance and policing efforts which could at least disrupt large-scale plotters. those folks have been put to bed. this is a situation of increased risk compared to five years ago, sociale war in syria, media as a recruiting tool, and the increase of encryption. all of this makes it easier for militants the plot without being detected. alix: can you talk about counterterrorism efforts and what you might see as a result of the attacks? there is a state of emergency in effect right now. there's a discussion of the borders being closed. as what measures they are going to take, we can expect to see a
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number of situations where they look for militants who might be involved to try to get people off the streets who might be planning follow-up attacks. the bigger question is what longer-term effects will be. how will security measures change in three or four months? how will they change a year or two from now. this is similar to what the 9/11 attacks were for the united states. ofhit a much broader swath the city. this is going to be a defining moment, not just in terrorism, but in french history. cory: i'm curious about the robustness of the security apparatus in france. blasio sayor bill de detectives are helping in france. how strong is it on its own, and
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how reliant is it on outside forces? : it is very strong on its own. it is very typical to look for outside partners to help. part of the recent new york city detectives would be helping is not just because the french need it, but because new york city detectives want to make sure the nypd has that information. if there are some information that reaches back to new york, they get it fast. to sendal for the nypd people out when our major majornts -- there are incidents. it helps the french and the nypd quite a bit. we now go to mark crumpton for an update. mark: we like to update our
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audience from around the world and listeners on bloomberg radio. for the second time tonight, french president francois hollande is expected to address his nation following the wave of 150 peopleat left dead. the latest attack took place at the bataclan concert hall where 100 people taken hostage were killed. they described the scene of carnage, some of them dead -- some of the dead victims of grenade attacks. at least two suicide bomb attacks happened outside the nationalfrance, a soccer stadium, as a match between france and germany was underway. wasident francois hollande in attendance and rushed to safety. he said he was ordering the country's borders closed and instituting a state of emergency french troops were
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being deployed around paris. american will be canceling flights going to paris for the evening. we have yet to hear a claim of responsibility for the attack. speculation has run rampant, given what happened over the si nai peninsula. as we mentioned earlier today, on friday, here, we heard the news, the u.s. military saying john,an known as jihadi the masked man responsible for those horrific beheadings of western hostages in the name of islamic state, he was a victim, killed according to u.s. officials, in a drone strike in syria. cory: we have a statement from vice president joe biden from two hours after president obama delivered his payment. it is a written statement.
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he calls it, "breaking, outrageous. the american people understand and share the pain the people of paris are going through. the a's states stands ready to support the french government -- the united states stands ready to support the french government. we will response, we will overcome, we will endure." we were talking about french politics. what was the reaction, can you charlies, after the hebdo attacks, and reactions from up local standpoint in france? reva: after the charlie hebdo everyone assumed all the her party,ld go to and it saw a significant boost. francois boost to
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hollande. that's the natural reaction after an attack. you got the rally around the flag affect. --effect. again, that just speaks to the underlying drive and shift to the right that comes from these attacks, and that is going to be a prominent theme for france in the coming year, going into the 2017 elections, where we are looking at a right government. alix: talk about how this really is a changing, defining moment, in some way similar to 9/11, not in those killed, but in terms of what it did to the u.s. would you agree with something like that? are we looking at a turning point for the french government? reva: i would not call it a
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sharp turn, by any means. but, it fits within the cycle and the path that france is going down already. charlie hebdo was a very shocking attack. we saw that nationalist sentiment grow. this only reinforces the trend. we may not only have our attention on france. there are other countries as well that are going to be susceptible to these types of grassroots attacks, including the 90 states. as we can already see from the city of new york, they are increasing their security measures. publiclyho is involved in that fight against islamic state is a target. i will be looking closely at turkey, particularly, moving forward as we see the battlefield shift in a very interesting way there. we are looking at preparation for a ground operation, which is a new level of involvement.
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we are getting news about twitter accounts linked to jihadist celebrating. i'm sure you're familiar with a group that tracks a lot of these militant sites using hashtags stateay #caliphate strikes france. i'm wondering how you see this play out -- how you've seen this play out in the past? reva: we will likely see multiple claims of was on stability, sometimes you see people trying to take credibility for something like this. i think, more portly, pointing that you areent drawn to, the reaction from a more radicalized people in countries like france, those with no religious -- those
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ethno-religious tensions are only going to get greater as we see revenge attacks on both sides. alix: joining us is former u.s. defense secretary bill cody. he joins us on the phone. can you describe what must be happening right now? cohen: we conclude our meeting earlier and walked out to the news. is sure the president sitting in the situation room, there are associates for following this very closely.
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this looks like the shape of things to come. if you look at what france has been doing, in terms of its anticipation of things that could happen, they now have happened, and they have been unable to protect against it. you have to now try to reconcile, how do you process human liberties, etc., at a time when you have groups that continue to attack on a mass scale if at all possible? that raises the question, do we need to reconcile greater intelligence, greater invasion of privacy, and now you have to reconcile privacy concerns with the right to live in peace and freedom. this is just the beginning of this. this is the tip of the major
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problem we will have to confront for years to come. we have integrated -- our european friends say how do we put the pieces of the puzzle together? who are the friends, who are the known associates? putting all this together is going to be the task of the intelligence of the news. if this is the shape of things to come, how do we prepare for this in an open society, in terms of the availability of weapons and assault rifles and semi-assault rifles and the inability to track everyone who might be coming back from
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service? it's a serious issue. you're talking to some former secretaries of defense, and i wonder what the discussion isis today. sec. cohen: we were talking about the transpacific partnership, and how america's presence can be increased in the asia-pacific region by having strong economic pride. there is a national security component to that. there secretaries of state and defense and security advisers all coming together to support the president of the united states, who was about to take , toand go on a trip to asia about our allies
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economic ties and prosperity. the general community, region, etc.. our focus is on economics and the strategic element of economics, and not discussing isis. we had no discussions of isis during that time. secretary william cohen speaking to us. we have heard that the president francois hollande will no longer be attending the g20. we can presume we will see the restructuring of the agenda this weekend? sec. cohen: i think it is likely. we will have to go back and examine how certain people route havee -- throughout europe
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been traveling with no visa required. have you keep track of people who may be going to syria, to a iraq, yemen, elsewhere, with total access to the european theater who end up attacking soft targets? we have always worried about soft target being hit-- targets being hit multiple times within a sequential timeframe to create chaos and distractions. this is the shape of things to come that we are going to have to confront in the war on terrorism. the world is going to have to join forces now. they will have to share their intelligence, their information, the collective security to combat this issue. this is not going to go away soon.
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alix: we're getting word that french president francois hollande did speak near the theater that was attacked where around 100 individuals were killed. we have to stay determined, we have to stay united." how did this incident change france's government? cohen: it will not change the government, in which -- the question is will it change europe in terms of immigration? the present of france has closed its borders of his country. what does that mean for those trying to come in for refugees and trying to escape the horrors of isis after what has taken place in syria and the middle east? this is going to present a real sensecatastrophe in the
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that these are people trying to where they sees death and starvation emulation. -- and mutilation. we've got to make sure who it is who is now coming in, and we're putting up a barrier for the time being. it is going to have a norm is consequences, not just for the french government, but for all of the european countries, all of the major countries, the united states as well. this is an attack that has now been used by isis or isil or a branch element of one of these terror groups, using information technology, using encrypted communication. present-- -- it has been very helpful showing how we collect our information.


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