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>> previously on the debates. >> first of all, rand paul should not be on this stage. you started over here, jeb. you are moving further and further. pretty soon, you will be on the end. if you don't like it, i'm sorry. john: happy return of cavuto day, sports fans. the main event, trump versus cruz. drumming up the suspense is a new nbc/wall street journal national poll that shows donald trump at 33 percent, ted cruz at 20%, marco rubio at 13%, ben
carson at 12%, with all the others on one hand. three times the number of voters who said they would vote for trump fan in march. great news. one topic that would come up between the front runners tonight is a new york times story that says cruz did not disclose two loans from big banks, one from goldman sachs. after a rally in pensacola, we asked trump about this new issue. mark: there is a story in the "new york times" about ted cruz not properly reporting a loan from goldman sachs. are you concerned about that? do you think voters should be?
mr. trump: it's a big thing. i know nothing about it, but i hear it is a big thing. i hope he solves it. i think he is a nice guy. john: we have not seen cruz respond yet, but a spokesperson said that goldman's sugar daddy issue would not be a problem, and then she used the opportunity to slam trump from being a birther. >> one thing that is getting under donald trump's skin, the attacks against ted cruz are not working. it has been questioned by donald trump, who is used to winning and is not winning at this point. he is trying to muddy the waters and show distractions from the facts that ted cruz is connecting with the voters of iowa. john: everyone tonight is expecting this to be a big clash between these two titans. who do you think will take the first swing? mark: if one of them does, it will be cruz. cruz has been persistent in going after trump. last night, he took a little shot on the goldman sachs thing, trump, but he would be negative going against cruz. i think he would be happy going out of the debate with a draw. john: for the reason that you said very explicitly, the moderators will ask ted cruz about his canadian birth and
whether it makes him eligible, they will point out that trump is driving this issue, and cruz will be forced to swing at it. i thought last night that the body language around trump suggested that he was holding back last night in anticipation of this very event, and when this event transpires, he will pop cruz on the noggin. mark: we have not seen what it looks like, a full on cruz-trump engagement. it will be the most important
thing to happen since jeb bush took a swipe at marco rubio. they both say they are friends. people say that in politics all the time. you think they are? john: no, i do not. mark: that could have an impact. now to the establishment lane, where four candidates could fight to be an alternative to trump and cruise, marco rubio chris christie, and john kasich. all of them have a claim to stake, but they all start with problems. bush released a new tv ad in new hampshire today. >> just one other thing, donald trump is a jerk. >> donald trump is facing new criticism for something he did on the campaign trail last night in south carolina. he appeared to mark a reporter with a disability. >> i don't know what i said, i don't remember! >> that just made me so angry. i told my wife, i'm not going to let that stand. i have to do something to make sure donald
trump is not the nominee.
mark: bush hitting trump in a new ad. what is his challenge for tonight? john: i think in this point, his attempts to become the anti-trump has not worked. he needs to focus on the other establishment candidates. mark: i think the challenge is not going after trump versus going after others, it is going after trump versus going after his establishment brand. i think if there is an opening to get trump, he has to do it, but this is the time for him to go back to the principles of his campaign and say, i am the adult in the room. john: let's move onto to marco rubio. he is the one that is best positioned. what
is his challenge tonight?
mark: if he is hit, he has to show that he can defend himself strongly. the other thing, i think he still has to establish an identity with republicans. why rubio? what is the argument? he has to be a titan if he wants to get into the game with with trump and cruz. john: i think we have previewed clearly yesterday where this was going to go with rubio, which is straight to the gang of eight. if rubio does not have a powerful, strong answer on immigration, he will be in trouble. mark: what is chris christie have to do tonight?
john: he is another person i think is going to get hit for being too much of a moderate and a liberal. i think christie has to figure out how to answer those charges and make sure that people come out thinking he is conservative. mark: i think he has the biggest challenge of the establishment guys, because he knows what to do in these debates, but he has been very good. i think he can retell attacks very easily. but i think he is the best at turning from a bad question or situation to something he wants to say. john: i agree. the one thing that is different is that there is new information out there he will have to deal with. the last establishment guy, john kasich, what is his challenge? mark: he has to have breakthrough moments. he has had bad high profile moments. he needs one or two moments of strength that are high profile and show up on the news. john: he had a very good first debate, but hasn't had a good one since. he has often started strong and then petered out as the evening goes on. he has to be consistently strong
all evening long, and he has to be the same john kasich from the beginning to the end. in the past, he has gone out and previewed a new john kasich and giveup halfway through. he has to be consistent and the same. let kasich be kasich. moving on, your twitter feed will give you all the alleviation do you could ever want, so let's go briefly into bolivia asian about the democratic race. a new poll out today confirms the race is burning up. bernie sanders has closed the gap in iowa, trailing clinton by two percentage points, which given the margin of error means that this race is a statistical dead heat. in our last poll a month ago, clinton was ahead by nine full points. while she still leads among women, sanders has the advantage with groups responsible for obama's success, first time caucus-goers and young voters.
what do you think the chances are that one of these candidates is going to get hot and pull away in an appreciable way on caucus night? mark: i don't think sanders can do that in iowa. too many voters there are not going to switch. i think she can. she is trying to break his back. i think it is possible that she might go up to a six point lead in this race over the next two weeks before the voting, because she is trying to change the dynamic. he is fine with his trajectory, but i don't know that he will get much higher. john: there is pulling out right now that suggests late breakers are headed towards clinton, which gives balance to your argument. but it feels to me like sanders has the momentum. he is advertised more heavily
than she is on television. i am actually of the view that this is going to be a total coin flip on caucus night. mark: i and too. there is a throw everything against the wall and see what sticks quality to the campaign. they are being much more reactive and a competent campaign normally would be. coming up, our late night conversation with donald trump last night in pensacola, florida. what he said about ted cruz's goldman sachs loan and more, after this. ♪
♪ >> goldman is one of the biggest banks on wall street. my criticism with watching jen is that they engage in crony capitalism. that's why i have been an outspoken opponent of crony capitalism, taking on leaders in both parties. big business, if they are building a bigger mousetrap, great, but it shouldn't be government favoring. an example, dodd-frank. sold to the american people as too big to fail. what happened? the big banks have gotten bigger. goldman has gotten bigger. mark: that was back in march when ted cruz stopped by our studio. among other things, we talked about goldman sachs. cruz's ties to goldman are in the news because of the "new york times" story about tim taking out a loan from them in 2012 which is campaign own knowledges he did not fully disclose.
john and i sat down in pensacola, florida with the candidate cruz needs to overcome, donald trump, who was just off a rally, and we started off talking about ted cruz and goldman sachs. big story in the new york times about ted cruz and not having reported properly a loan in his senate campaign from goldman sachs. are you concerned about that? do you think voters should be? mr. trump: it is a big thing. i know nothing about it, but i hear it is a big thing. he is a nice guy and i hope he gets itself. mark: you have been in the spotlight for years, he has not. do you think it is possible that there are lots of things about him and his background now that he becomes a leading candidate? mr. trump: i don't know. he hasn't been until the last few days. the reason is, i've been doing very well. he has been really terrific. i just hope that's not a big problem for him.
john: it looks like it could just be you and him. as you said, he is hitting you now. yesterday, he said that you have "new york values." is that a criticism to you? mr. trump: i embrace new york. that world trade center, worst attack ever in the united states, worse than pearl harbor. they attacked people while having breakfast. the way they handled that attack was one of the most incredible things that anybody has ever seen. here we have these two massive, 100 10 story buildings coming down with all of the death, destruction. even the air, atmosphere, and smell of death. very few cities could've handled it like that. i will tell you something, new york city and new york got a tremendous boost all over the world. you look at the area, it is incredible what they rebuilt. when people want to knock new york, you should not be doing it because you have a massive population, but if you have to knock new york, you have to go through me. new york is an amazing place with an amazing people. john: he said to a group of new york donors that you might not have the judgment to control a nuclear arsenal. compare your temperaments. mr. trump: we all have strong
permits, but in all fairness i did not want to go into iraq. i was not the one who said, don't go into iraq, i was the one who said, take out osama bin laden before he knocked out the world trade center. i am the one who said don't go in. i am modest. i want to build a military. nobody wants to play games or mess with us. my tremendous is the best. some of the greatest assets anywhere in the world, one of the great companies. all private, i owned it. even you guys were shocked at how big an good it is. i will never forget, they all said i would never run and i ran.
they never thought i would file, and i filed. they said, you will never put in his financials, and i turned out to be much richer. you can't build a company like that unless you have a great temperament. john: what about his? mr. trump: honestly, i don't know. he has a lot of problems with a lot of people. a lot of people don't like him. they don't want to be called liars on the senate floor. frankly, it is pretty tough stuff. but at the same time, he is pretty upset, like i am. i was asked tonight, are you angry because nikki -- they said i was angry. i said to myself, i am a greedy because my country is being run by an competent people. it does make me angry, and that's why i am running and doing this.
mark: you have said getting along with people is an important thing. would you say your record of getting along with people is better than his? mr. trump: i get along great with people. people don't know about that, i bring people together. my biggest disappointment with president obama is that he is a divider, not a unifier. i am a unifier. it is one of my great traits. you remember, before i was going
to run, they said he gets along with democrats, liberals, everybody. as a businessman, i had that obligation to get along with everybody, because otherwise i probably would not have done so well, but i get along with everybody. mark: so you get along with people better than he does? mr. trump: i think most people would say that. people who know me would say that. mark: we asked trump about it. if it comes down to a two-person race, where do you think trump is going to go after cruz? john: people like to drop a lot, and he does not think people genuinely like ted cruz. trump has great faith in his own magnetism, and in the end of the likable candidate wins. mark: of all the other candidates, who is the most likely for trump to put on the ticket? john: of all the people in the race? mark: yeah. john: i would not be surprised if john kasich goes after the ticket. they have not gone after each other very much. there was a brief interlude where they did. but i think trump will be captivating about this. mark: it was said, of course trump will take somebody from the establishment. i think it could end up trump-cruz. you said they were not really friends. there is a strength to their performance and fundraising skills that would be formidable.
john: what i meant earlier was to say, you and i are friends. i don't think they are friends in the way we are friends. mark: more from our interview with donald trump later in the program, but when we come back we will get a reaction from a former ted cruz supporter, a former attorney general joins us right after this. ♪ ♪ john: joining us now here at the republican debate site in north charleston, south carolina, is a former attorney general. great to see you here. everybody assumes tonight will be a brawl between ted cruz and donald trump.
♪ john: joining us now here at the republican debate site in north charleston, south carolina, is a former attorney general. great to see you here. everybody assumes tonight will be a brawl between ted cruz and donald trump. guest: not to that extent. i think there will be changes, but not that it will reach the level of brawl. i think the strategy you have seen is kind of natural for him, to hug. he has been sort of teased about it. i don't think you will see him toss the first punch. john: but the gloves have come off in the last few days around this issue of cruz's canadian birth. donald trump has gotten under the skin of almost everybody as he has gone after them. it seems here he may have gotten under the skin of ted cruz. do you agree? guest: he has not done anything
more than muddy the water with a few people. ted hughes in good shape, or a when not have gotten on board with him. he is in as good of a legal position as john mccain. they were both born in foreign territory. mark: but if a judge has ruled on this -- guest: if you want to say, if the supreme court has ruled -- mark: judges can rule any which way. senator cruz goes around saying, it's settled, it's a settled issue. guest: he's right. it is settled in the sense that people who make the legal decision in all 50 states have already decided it. they put john mccain on the ballot. mark: is the role that goldman sachs plays in our economy good or bad for america? guest: certainly, you need
financiers. that goes back to the revolutionary era. one of the well-written parts of that history is how we financed the war, the answer is that we barely did. mark: do you have anything to say about the role goldman sachs plays in the economy? guest: on wall street, the advantages they get. what ted was talking about, what they brought to wall street is protection. it is a great example of why washington tends to favor the big guys. no matter what they say. and ted has been a populist in the good sense. he has supported legislation that is good for everyone, not just special interests. john: there is the possibility that the establishment for never consolidate and this is a ted cruz-donald trump race. you are confident that cruz will win big because you have endorsed him.
guest: i don't endorse him because he is going to win, i endorse him because he is the best for america. like ted, i have gotten battles that are very unlikely to win, because it is the worst place to be. i think he is very likely to win here. john: why does he be donald trump one-on-one? guest: while donald has a lot of passion in fighting the establishment, he occasionally does things like attacking ted cruz because he does not get along with people in washington. the only people ted cruz does not along with our people inside the beltway. he gets along with everyone else just fine. cruz has a track record of fighting the establishment. mark: what month will we know that the republican nominee is going to be? guest: april.
john: might not be a bad answer. thank you for coming on. when we come back, the rest of our conversation with donald j trump, and why he says his campaign is more bigger and powerful than the one that put ronald reagan in the white house. remember, if you're watching us in washington, you can now listen to us on the radio. we will be right back. ♪
♪ mr. trump: wow. amazing! amazing! mark: there is no better way to prepare for a debate that with a huge rally in pensacola, florida. there are three things a republican candidate must do, love america, love freedom, and love reagan. trump tried to win the gipper game in a sensational way. rallies have become the signature events of this entire campaign. i'm wondering, how do you feel when you are up there react go is it exciting? mr. trump: when i look at an arena, when you have close to 15,000 people. i don't know if you know, 5000 to 7000 people were turned away, which makes me feel bad. other people come here and they will have 103 people, 59 people, just a few people. there were just telling me outside, the political people you know, they were saying other candidates come here and get 100 people. well, i had 15000 and we sent away 5000. i feel great. mark: and how would you describe your style as a speaker?
mr. trump: i think it is important that i do not read a speech. i have a great memory, so i can do that. i think it is important that i don't use a teleprompter. none of the candidates would get up there without speeches or anything in front of that many people. you also have live television cameras. but you develop a great excitement and a bond. it is a movement. it's not like a person coming in, making a speech, and leaving after 20 minutes. there is love in that room. you see standing ovations every few minutes. they want to see america become great again. they know it is a problem. they look at all the different things i discussed. they see such stupidity and incompetence. it feels great. what really feels better than anything is when you can put
that many people in a room, get standing ovations all the time. it is that way everywhere. it's not like this is unique. when i would go to mobile, alabama, dallas, when i would go to oklahoma, when i would go to iowa. iowa, packed. i did two speeches on saturday that were packed. you look at what happens in new hampshire, they were packed. it is a great feeling. john: you just used the phrase "movement." talk about throughout history, what kind of past movements would you compare this movement to? what does this movement remind you of historically?
mr. trump: i think it is greater than anything we have seen in this country. that said, i have to win. i was called by one of your great friends, i have great respect for him, but i won't say the name, and he asked, what does it feel like? what does what feel like? to the summer of trump? it has never been done before. i said, what difference does it make if you don't win? i said to him, it doesn't matter unless you win. now, reagan had a little bit of this, but i don't think to the same extent, but he also won. i think the closest thing is reagan, but i don't think it's the intention and that we have. and we are very far out. i talked to people about different crowds and whatnot, everybody tells me that they have never seen crowds like this this far away from november. it is a long ways away. i am very honored by it. but it is a movement. it's not like it's a little
political rally and people are showing up to have fun. these people are committed. and i laugh, people sometimes wait in line for 7, 8, 10, 12 hours in cold and heat, and then i hear on television the brilliant pundits say, well, i don't think he turns them out. as an example, if those people are going to vote, not a lot of people will be beating trump. and we have crowds bigger than this, because there are arenas in light, dallas that are bigger than this. but why would a person stand in line for seven hours in the not going to a voting booth and take 10 minutes? i think they are going to vote. mark: i know you have a big debate tomorrow. we will a you go. but it was great to see you.
mr. trump: thank you. mark: example 1852 of trump saying that. he said his campaign is bigger than reagan. can you imagine if ted cruz said, i am bigger than reagan? john: let's meditate on this one fact. ronald reagan got 54 million votes in 1984. do you think donald trump gets 54 million votes? mark: i think he will. i will just say -- john: but he said it was the biggest movement in the history of the country, which is an even more sweeping claim. mark: i will say that the answer we shared from the last segment, when he talks about new york and after 9/11, one of the best answers he has given in any interview in this entire campaign. he showed heart and passion. he said, if you have to criticize new york, you have to come through me. that is powerful if he becomes the nominee.
and if we have two new yorkers running against each other, they fight in a different way. john: it was thought that giuliani versus clinton would be very special. the biggest thing, he has exaggerated so much that now people don't bother fact checking them anymore. mark: our thanks to donald j trump, and when we come back, casey hunt will talk about tonight's debate right after this. ♪
♪ john: here now to speculate about what happened tonight are kasie hunt and a chief correspondent with the washington post. kasie, everybody assumes the biggest story coming out tonight is going to be trump and cruz. kasie: true, i think that is the biggest story going at the moment. you have republicans meeting down the way, and that is all they can talk about, whether republicans would rather have cruz or trump as their nominee. they are reaching some sort of acceptance phase. the question will be, does trump try to attack cruz on birther-ism? john: who do you think will swing first if one of them swings? >> cruz, because he needs to
fight back. i think trump's birther-ism has been robust, and his numbers are not where they were two weeks ago. john: there has been a lot of discussion about this. >> i don't know if that is the real issue, but i think he needs to get back on the offensive tonight. and trump is usually not somebody who throws the first punches. mark: cruz has had a tax plan and other proposals, but i very rarely hear voters talk about ted cruz and say they like him because of specific plans. does that matter? is there anything he is talking about issue wise that is breaking through? guest: there has been nothing yet in terms of issues that has broken through for any candidate. this has been, and a sense, the most issue-less campaign that we have seen. mark: less so than other campaigns? guest: i think so. mark: but it is all defensive and negative. no one is actually talking about immigration plans. john: but she rob has talked about building a wall? but trump has talked about building a wall, is that not a legitimate issue? kasie: i think the fact that people and hillary clinton's cap are complaining that they are not getting enough press attention when she says out and says something just tells you everything you need to know.
they run a fairly traditional campaign in that respect. it is completely ineffective this time. guest: the point i would make is that it is not as though issues have not been discussed, but it is not what defines the candidacy of any leaders. mark: of the four guys in the establishment lane, are any of them coming in hotter than the others? kasie: not necessarily. chris christie has experienced something of a bump in new hampshire, but he also came under a lot of scrutiny on the airwaves. we sort of saw a preview of his potential hits on donald trump. we will see if he can land that with a little more efficacy. mark: i don't think any of the four come in here with clearly a hotter hand than the other three. guest: i think you can flip it around. john: do you think any of them is under more pressure than the other, one of them is more vulnerable? likely to pull out, come out of this mortally wounded? guest: i don't think. the one candidate where you could say that is most likely jeb bush.
he could say, new hampshire, i'm still in the hunt for whatever place it is behind trump. mark: i have heard people from the other campaigns and republicans saying, watch jeb. i'm not sure why that is. people are saying watch him because he has $100 million. but they don't anymore. what are they keen off of? kasie: other candidates are seeing it in their internal polling. he survived a dead in a more stable position than people expected. when i was up there with him in chris christie, there was a lot of buzz about christie, but bush is having bigger events. we have talked about how negatively his family name has impacted him. if there is any time it might help him, it could be now,
benefit because he can take more time. the rubio camp obviously thinks he is the best invader on the stage, and the more time he gets, it will be happier. kasie: i am interested to see whether or not having more time is good for donald trump. we need to see if he can keep it up. mark: we kept him up late last i with our interview, so that may be a factor. the clinton camp has been very defensive. there accusing bernie sanders of negative campaigning. are they being more reactive? is this typical for the clintons, or does something typical seem to be going on? guest: it is a sign of nervousness on their part. even though they said, we expect this race to be close, and we expect competition, they thought they were going to have their way in iowa, and they don't at this point. they don't want him to be able to win iowa. john: panicking, yes or no?
sitting outside the republican debate in north charleston, s.c. joining us to talk more about the debate, a bloomberg politics reporter and the washington bureau chief of the national review. i want to talk about cruz and rubio. for those who dismiss trump, do they see cruz and rubio in conflict? the nbc wall street journal poll shows them in a three-way race. right now, what is the advantage you would say that rubio has ever cruz if it becomes a contest between the two? guest: i think rubio has a much more optimistic, positive -- he is more optimistic and positive in his message. he also has many more substantive policy proposals. cruz is really able to harness the anger i think a lot of voters feel, that they case you will hear from rubio people is that positivity and optimism work better over the long-term. john: kevin, what do you think about that battle?
these guys have spent a lot of time going after each other. what do you think about that? kevin: a couple of weeks ago, you had a situation where the senator cruz campaign was trying to make the case that rubio is an establishment politician, but what's interesting is in the last couple of days, particularly in this new development with the goldman sachs financial disclosure issue that has arisen, it has suddenly flipped the narrative a little bit and put senator cruz on defense. as we all know inside washington, he is very unlike inside the halls of congress, which he tries to play to his advantage, but i'm not sure right now that will hold up as we get closer to iowa. mark: a facebook verb, "unlike."
the press covers iowa and new hampshire way more than they cover south carolina, in part because south carolina is somewhat derivative of what happens in the first two. what is happening in south carolina? guest: they will partially be determined by momentum out of iowa and new hampshire, but the key factors that usually determine a nominee, like key endorsements, military background, and so on, we don't have any of those. governor nikki haley, and the senators lindsey graham and tim scott have not endorsed. people are leaning on them heavily for endorsements. senator rubio and governor bush i think are the two candidates that could get their endorsements, but so far they are not in this race, and that is something everybody should watch. it is worth noting that rubio, bush, chris christie, and donald trump are all people who can make a claim.
mark: one way i look at primaries, what if it were a governor's race? if all these candidates were running for governor, who would win? kevin: if you look at the polls, it is mr. trump. to your point about the momentum of attacking mr. trump, that has been the storyline for the past four months, and no one seems to take him on. we are starting to see senator cruz be more aggressive, but the longer these people wait and d not endorse, the stronger it will appear -- mark: if trump comes out of iowa or new hampshire are strong, i think it will be very hard to beat him here. john: i am thrilled that we got this far in the conversation before trump house name got introduced. you guys have both been reporters.
now that we have trump on the table, what is the most interesting thing you have heard in the last week about donald trump as a reporter? kevin: a piece of information that has come to me about mr. trump. you know, i thought it was interesting when i spent time with donald trump last week that after this bitter divorce battle in the 1990's, mr. trump went to his deceased father-in-law's funeral. i thought that spoke to the family man that we don't get to see in front of the camera. john: interesting, and what about you? it does not have to be from the trump world, it can be from another campaign, just a trump fact? elaina: yeah, the number of establishment type republicans who say they could reconcile themselves look to rob as the nominee in order to keep ted cruz from seizing the nomination, i'm surprised by. and i do think that people are genuinely torn, but i think people are starting to reconcile themselves with this idea. john: and just to seek that out a bit further, is that only because of the alternative being
cruz, or is it because people are starting to like donald trump a little more? elaina: no, it is only because of the alternative. i see it as the one you prefer, because trump is not hated by these guys who hate cruz, because they spend time with them. mark: you can see negative ads starting up. do you think they will make a mess of the nomination? kevin: i don't think it helps. jeb bush was out today with a different take trying to attack mr. trump of his remarks of an importer with a disability. it almost pays into trump's hands, look at that, another bought and sold politician. elaina: i think negative ads will be a factor. they always have been. while they may not help anybody, they will certainly determine who the nominee will be. john: one of the greatest producers of negative ads is
mike murphy. do you think after this cycle is over, right to rise will be viewed as lost? elaina: i think mike murphy may come out of this as the biggest loser in the election season. kevin: i think he has helped frame the narrative of democrats' attacks on secretary clinton. mark: thank you for joining us. we will be back. ♪
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