tv Charlie Rose Bloomberg April 4, 2016 7:00pm-8:01pm EDT
♪ announcer: from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. weekie: in politics this with the candidates are looking ahead to tuesday's very important wisconsin primary. toocrat early sanders host extend his winning streak from caucuses to a fourth state, and republican ted cruz holds a win there will slow donald trump's momentum. tz, fromned by dan balr the washington post and advent -- an an observer.
dan, there was this business wife, thecruz's, campaign manager, and interview with chris matthews. is this taking a toll in terms of trump and his momentum? dan: i think so absolutely, charlie. these have been two of his worst weeks. he has at other things in the past and has moved to put them behind him, but there is materiallyaturely -- different. if he is the republican nominee to win a general election, and that could be important if we get to an open convention in cleveland. the delegates there are going to be concerned about who is the best candidate to run in the he has coste more himself problems, the more his negatives have gone up with key constituencies in the general
election, a more that is going to be on the minds of the delegates in cleveland, so i think we are at a moment in which he has got to find some way to reassure people in his he can be aat credible and competitive nominee in november. charlie: why doesn't donald trump realize this? charlie, you know him better than i do. i think he is a complicated person. i inc. he thinks he knows what he knows, and sometimes he does not know what he does not know. he operates on instinct. he has never been through anything quite like this before. anytime we have seen him get into a jam, his reaction is to double down, not to apologize or to try to indicate he is kind of going to ground and kind of learned the mistake or take a heson from the state, and so is an unusual personality in this, and if you are donald trump, you say to yourself, well, this has been successful up till now. whatever it the smart people or
the others say, i keep winning delegates. i am ahead. he takes so much from the status of polls or the state of the delegate count, and not without some good reason. what i think at this moment, he has to kind of take stock of what it all means as he goes into this final round of primaries. charlie: what was your impression when he talked about foreign policy, not only at "the new york times" but also at your own "washington post"? quite radical departure, whether it is a republican orthodoxy or a general consensus. now, there is no reason not to sometimes challenge long-standing consensus on policies, but things he has said about nato, things he has said about giving japan the opportunity to have nuclear weapons, these are unsettling
statements that are not somesarily grounded in larger kind of coherent theory of what the foreign policy of the united states should be. again, he is operating on instinct as opposed to knowledge, and i think that it suggests to a lot of people that he has not done the amount of study that you would want in a person who aspires to be the commander in chief. charlie: let's assume for a moment he loses in wisconsin. what does that do to him, and what does it do to ted cruz, if he is the winner? well, wisconsin has shaped up as a very important partner in part due to what has preceded with donald trump you this is a moment that if ted cruz wins, and wins pretty comfortably, there will be at least a psychological impact on the state of the race. donald trump will still have more delegates than anybody else, and he will still be onored to win in new york
april 19, which is the next big event, but having said that, i think that this will give people who are determined to try to stop him a greater sense of purpose and probably a greater sense that they may be able to pull it off. if he loses wisconsin, and it is a winner take all state, the at-large delegates are allocated on the basis of winning the overall vote and congressional district delegates on the basis of winning congressional districts -- let's say ted cruz wins and gets most of the congressional districts, and donald trump as may be a few delegates. that makes it more difficult for him to get to the 12 hundred 37 votes that he needs to be the nominee on the first ballot, and every delegate short of that makes it more difficult if you get into a convention to be able to assemble those delegates. and for bernie sanders and hillary in wnsin, what are these decks?
dan: bernie sanders has had a really good run in the caucuses. 75/25, at it like has given him momentum going into wisconsin. wisconsin is a very good state for him or ought to be. it is an open primary. there is a history of populism -ism, and there is university support there that should be strong for him. he needs a victory in this to accelerate or perpetuate the momentum that he has got from the recent caucuses, and then we will go into a very big battle in new york. we have not seen a bay, competitive democratic primary in new york since perhaps 1992 or 1988, so this will shape up a final battle between the two of them. if he comes out of wisconsin
with momentum. you know, it is important for him to be able to claim that he has the ability to acquire enough delegates to make this competitive. when you stand back from this, secretary clinton still has a very big lead in delegates, particularly given the democratic rules that allocate delegates proportionately. her campaign that constantly says a bigger delegate lead than barack obama ever had against her eight years ago, and we know she was never able to overcome that. it does not change the calculus over who is the favorite to win the nomination, but it certainly raises continuing questions about why she is not quite able to put him away. i asked bernie sanders this morning on the cbs "this morning" program, was he more a reaction to her than enthusiasm for his own campaign, and he obviously said it was enthusiasm for his own campaign, but there
is a bit of that in his success, isn't it? dan: oh, absolutely. everything we have seen in pulling or have seen is that if hillary clinton is the nominee, the bernie sanders supporters, for the most part, will be quite happy to support her. to go against whoever is the republican nominee. but there is resistance to her within the party. there is skepticism about whether she is really a real change agent, and we know of a lot of the bernie sanders people are looking for that. they are looking for somebody who can really shake up the status quo, and to them, hillary clinton is much more the status will, so he has passion behind his candidacy the way she has not quite been able to generate yet. what does donald trump say to the republican party at this point? he had a meeting with the chairman yesterday, looking, i think, to the just to find a way to make him appealing in terms
of a general election, but is it too late to do that? you have so much on the record in the primaries. and i once heard bill clinton say, "don't do anything in the primaries that you will regret in the general election." dan: well, donald trump certainly has not taken that advice to heart. he seems to say he is going to try the opposite, just that case. until he is wrong. exactly. i think he needs to do what everybody understands he needs to do. he needs to settle down in one way or another. he needs to find a way to reassure republicans. charlie: how do you do that at this stage? there is sosay, much on the record that it is difficult to do it, but we are still three and half months or so from cleveland. there is a long time in this race for him to demonstrate some greater -- i do not know what
or right word is -- gravitas temperament it so much goes towards the temperament he displays or the lack of temperament he displays, whether it is in an interview with chris matthews or at rallies or were what and i think republicans are looking for at this point is some reassurance that he is not going to put at risk all of the candidates who are running for senate and house and state legislature in november if he is the nominee, but as you say, there is so much history already that has accumulated and so much damage that has been done that it is going to take some real work charlie: on his part. charlie:bob gates said to me, the former syrian director, and he said when i look back at history, the great presidents and the great leaders have had a first-class temperament. not necessarily in first-class mind, but often that too, but they have all had a first-class temperament. keepi think that is the
the old-line second-rate intellect, first-rate temperament, and i think it is so important. people know this is a dangerous world. people know that we have some very big problems domestically that have resisted solutions from democratic presidents and republican presidents, and in a sense, it has helped to generate the kind of cynicism towards government in washington that trump has been able to use to fuel his candidacy, and yet, when you get into the presidency , people know there are crises that happen. people know that there are risks that come at you and dangerous situations, and i think they want to be reassured that whoever is sitting in the oval office has the kind of temperament that they can rely , too keep the country safe look for solutions that are going to affect the whole of the population, particularly the people who need it most, and i
suffered a fatal heart attack at a miami hospital, where she was being treated or bronchitis. who designedrs, the ability of don, said this about her. among architects emerging in the last few decades, no one had any more impact than she did. she fought her way through as a woman and indeed begin the first female recipient of the pritzker architecture prize, the profession's highest honor. that was in 2004. she was also the first woman to get the royal gold medal in 2015. she was born in baghdad in 1950 and once said she wanted to be an architect for her entire life after studying at the architectural association at london, she started her own practice in 1979 it she regained a global reputation for innovative, theoretical works, including the peak in hong kong and the opera house in wales. were oftenand ideas so complex, it took several decades for much of her work to
be built. her completed projects include the fire station in germany, the london of aquatic center for the 2012 olympic games, and the museum in rome. of her own work, i do not feel i am out of the establishment. i am not on the outside. i am on the kind of edge. i am dangling there. i kind of like it. i just do what i do, and i like it. zaha hadid appeared on the show for several times. who influenced you the most? zaha: it is a composition. charlie: who is in the competition? early, there were tremendous influences. eisenman.
charlie: why peter? zaha: i have tremendous respect for him. he struggled also and always reinvented himself. you think youo struggled? is the struggle you had the same as the struggle he had? : different get all architects struggle. we try to do something which is not normative, which is not part of the status quo. charlie: not corporate. zaha: which is not corporate. it is a traveling profession. , very strong. and unnecessary struggle. charlie: unnecessary. spending more time that honor the design or doing a with other dealing stuff administrative and city
rules and regulations. would you like for people to see as a defining characteristic of your work? zaha: it is always changing. stuff, through all the it liberated certain norms. originally, the liberation on the ground -- it meant a much and iluid organization, think the idea of a different anyway order allowed me to think about gender in a different way, to give you that andlessness, i think, between the interior and exterior also becomes seamless, so you are bringing urban meyer life into the interior of a civic building. has it been worth the
struggle? you think so? zaha: i am not finished yet. charlie: but you have -- you know, you have done -- zaha: i have enjoyed doing what i have done. at the time i was doing it, i did not see it as a struggle. charlie: you saw it as a process. ita: to make these things, was always a gold it eventually, we will get it done. charlie: because you're also a student of architecture. if i could say these are 10 of the greatest architects, in your judgment, i would pick for you, charlie, 10 of the best, living and dead. what common quality do you think they might have? zaha: i think they all dealt in
different ways with space. charlie: space. that is what architects do. zaha: not all architects. charlie: space and light. is not that what they all do? zaha: they say they do. they deal with space and light in the most optimal way? the word space used to make me cringe, because it is meant as an artificial it i think it is an idea to kind of make space, and those who walk into the space have a different experience, and that is the most difficult. charlie: you do want people to experience it. zaha: i do. architecture is really about well-being. it is about well-being. it is supposed to make you feel good hit to be able to lift and
a nice apartment or a small flat or a big house and be able to feel good. charlie: and it ought to maximize -- organize,how you beyond your boundary, the interaction between people and the way they operate in space. they can really kind of expand their thinking. charlie: when they call you an architect with a future, what do they mean? zaha: it means a surprise. a surprise. it is unknown. do a project, it is unknown. an unknown formula. hadid, dead at 65. ♪ charlie: nicole hurt is here, the ceo and founder the college
advising corps the organization that ups to increase the number of low income first-generation college students who enter and complete higher education that has sent more than 500 recent college graduates on two-year stints as college advisors to more than 160,000 students in undeserved high schools around the country. advisors work to create a college-centric culture within the schools they serve to get the model has been compared to teach for america or the peace corps, but with a focus on college advising. i am pleased to have nicole hurt at this table for the first time. welcome. congratulations. nicole: thank you. charlie: you are doing great stuff. tell me how this came into being. nicole: it came into being because there are all of these great college students, service oriented, and wanting to change the world, and harnessing this with what is really a crisis in
our country. our ratio is about 488 emma one, which means they get about 28 a year with a counselor. we have a process that is way and it iscated, endangering our democracy, because young people are not going off to college they are not updating degrees, and our isbal repetitiveness affected, so we are marrying the people who have just finished themselves, going into schools where the counselors are trying really hard but just do not have the capacity and saying, let's hold hands and make sure every student here is foremost in that i believe in you. charlie: that makes a big difference. it does, it does. we all have mentors. i look like you. i talk like you. now i will show you how to get there, too. charlie: you were an assistant at uva? nicole: yes, and i saw all of
these great kids apply to teach for america, and they take about 11%, in peace corps, they take about 15%, so i thought, where is the outlet to take this great talent, so these people who have gone through this finish line, to go back and say, i have your story, and so many of these is, charlie, do not think they can go to a duke or a notre dame or whatever it is. the tophave students in countries, 137 colleges in this country, from the bottom economic quarter, 3%, and that means, where is the opportunity? charlie: your future. absolutely, and these universities need to be ladders of opportunity. and tos to be push-pull, get the financial aid to make that happen. charlie: you have got a huge grant from the jack kent cooke corporation. uvale: we started this at
and we spent six years in carolina. charlie: six years at unc. why? nicole: erskine bowles was there at the time, and there was the chancellor for most of the time when i was there, and the was the other person who was the hero in this, president friday. your great friend, who i miss dearly, and i were member one of the carolina advisor sitting around the table, and president friday came in, and they were all talking about why they were doing this, and they said, i am from this part of north carolina. i am from that part. theywere talking about why were doing this, and afterwards, friday smiled like only he could, and he said, you know what you are? you are messengers of hope to get it is beautiful. messengers of hope. you got the grant, in you were incubating it at unc pay what was next? spreading started
across the state, rhode island, massachusetts, in new york, and we were at nyu, our flagship chapter, and south bronx, we have had kids go to college at a 20 or 30% rate before we got there. charlie: how do you measure success? we measure it in two ways. how many are going, and how many are getting through, so we are ok if it is a credential, if it is a vocational school or a community college, but what we want is for everyone to happy test match and it so they can have the educational opportunity dream, and american if we do not do this, then the american dream is really in danger. have said this, the american dream is in jeopardy. a sense of our leadership. nicole: these are our future leaders. a story of so many of us. i think about the current chair a the board of duke,
first-generation graduate. what of our great champions, melanie hobson, whom you know, and underrepresented student herself, and she came to talk to the advisors, and not only did she light up the room not only because she had a similar dry, and she told them all to be brave, and i think we need to tell each other to be brave. go do some i have to the, what am i going to do, and i think about things. we have democracy that to protect and two that we have to be brave. that is what we are trying to do. we are trying to find the next charlie rose and the next melanie hobson. it is a privilege to wake up every morning. charlie: you say data-driven and evidence-based. studies, have a phd in and our evaluation at stanford, amazing, aaron bettinger, so we measure particular vision rates over time. and we are looking at if we are
bringing more financial aid, millions in financial aid to the students we served last year, and we are also 20 measure things like, again, is this going to help our economy? if someone has a college education, first, it changes the trajectory of the people in their family, because their own brothers and sisters will go to college. it also increases access to health care and participation, so there are all sorts of things to measure. and we are so cost-effective it it is about $154 per student to serve them, so why not invest in the kids this way? when you look at all that you have done, what have you not done? isole: what we have not done put a microphone on this. it is great to serve the students, there are 1.4 million student, and we are thinking about technology now. we have got a great innovation going with the college board, bloomberg, and others to reach these gets by text and to reach these kids through video chats.
there are so many. the thing i love about my job is when i go to a high school, i am watching an interaction between our advisors and our students. what i see is a spark. and you see the spark over and over again, and our job is to make sure that spark becomes fireworks. that is right. charlie: how did you know peter? so peter is one of my champions. going back to north carolina. or it likee yesterday. i was sitting with erskine bowles, talking. yes, yes, and he literally said to me, nicole, you have got a great idea. there is somebody you have to meet. i said, who is that? and he said peter. everything he touches is better. and you know peter, charlie. point is humility. grace and ability. it has to be about the students. nobody wants to see a 22 euros
or 23 will go in and say i'm am going to change this school. it is about telling your own story. it is about empathy. and i think peter walks that way through life, and that to the mentors saying i believe in you. one of the things about peter, not only does he believe and charlie: how do we connect with you? nicole: on our website. .org.ie: advisingcore nicole: right.
it was really, really ncredible. charlie: what happened when bubba beat you? jordan: i remember thinking should i be upset the way this happened or take positives, given it was my first trip, it was -- i was 20 at the time and maybe didn't expect to be a former massers champion on that stage. but no, i don't think i was saying give me back i want to win it again. i was saying give me another
opportunity in a major and test what i have learned in this experience. charlie: what is it about the course itself? jordan: it's so well designed. every time you play it, you learn to learn something more, whether it's different angles and the different pins. even though you play the same 18 holes, seems like you play a different golf hole. the greens are so big and undulating and the fairways and you have to play a lot of different shots and imagination on a course that looks like american-style golf course but could play like something over in great britain. charlie: do you talk to people like nicklaus when you first went to the masters? jordan: standing next to mr. nicklaus and mr. palmer at a wins evening dinner, prior to my first round ever playing it and i remember talking to jack and him saying, just give me some
advice. make sure you hit the greens. even if it looks like it's easier chipping to this pin, going to be easier to putt on these greens. and you have played these guys and come on to this course and play really smart and just wait for your chances. and he was right. charlie: in practice and you watched other guys and let me see how they handle it? jordan: i play a practice round or two with a past winner or someone who has had success there. because i know the places i'm going to practice from, based on what i have learned are the tricky areas of the golf course, but somebody else like i mentioned before, this golf course will yield so many different shots every time you play it. i want to learn from someone else's experience. last year i played with ben crenshaw and tiger woods. charlie: they know something
about putting? jordan: they both do. i was able to see some putts on the greens that made an impact on me over the weekend. charlie: danch jenkins said he has the will of hogan and likability of nelson and putts like ben crenshaw, who you call mr. crenshaw. what would you add to that? jordan: i can't accept any of those. that's incredible. i believe that i'm as competitive as there is. i try to have a work ethic like ben hog and did. those three are three of the top five sports figures and golfers that i look up to. for those words to be said is really special. i certainly wouldn't add anything to it and i'm deeply humbled by it.
charlie: what influence has your dad on you? jordan: you know what is so special on me and my golf, time here a lot of friends or i'd say peers at the time were pushed by their parents to practice and go out and play golf. he said do what you want to. it's golf, it's golf, if it's baseball, it's baseball. if you want it to carry through, it could be inspects, be passionate, set goals, write them down and write thank you notes to everybody who puts you up and does something for you. make sure that you are always showing appreciation for the people allowing you to be where you are at. and it was very, very quee. charlie: one of the hardest things you had to do is tell your dad i'm not going to a baseball pitcher.
jordan: i know where i was where i said i wanted to cut baseball for good. he said just pitch, you don't have to hit. pitch a few games and just to kind of keep doing it. stay around the same group of guys and we were driving up to the dallas tollway and there is a baseball field down below and i remember thinking, it was tough telling him at the time. i must have been 12, 13 years old and i said i want to specialize in golf and play a little bit of basketball. charlie: he was doing what he wanted you to do and what you were passionate about. jordan: he is a college baseball player and my brother started chipping away playing basketball. he wanted someone to play baseball. he couldn't have handled it every opportunity. charlie: your family seems important.
jordan: certainly. charlie: your sister, it means something to you. jordan: it's unique. we have a unique family and unique position. having a special needs sister, kind of changes your life. every person in our family changes kind the sacrifices my parents have to make and for us, it's so special, so special for development and so special to see how she can continue to conquer struggles that we take for granted. charlie: 2015 had to be as good a year as you could have imagined. you won all four. jordan: there was a chance and won the first two and came into the british championship and i'm thinking, we could make this three in a row.
at that time, it was focused on trying to make this one in a row. give yourself a chance to win this. and i had a chance to win there and fell short. that was a tough loss and proved to me no matter how many times you get yourselves in a position, there are breaks that are going to go your way. that's why it is so difficult to win a major let alone a couple in a year and a grand slam. it's tough to imagine that the breaks go your way and exact weeks of the year. charlie: do you prepare differently for a major? jordan: slightly. in the gym, you do stuff maybe a month prior to where when you get there that week, you can dial it back a little bit. and then you dial up your time spent on the range. yeah.
definitely prepare a little bit diffley. everybody is different but specialize in parts of your game that need improvement for those types of courses. i think in order to have that happen, rory is on a level that is higher than everybody else. he has consistently proven he can be in major championship form for now five, six years straight. i had a year last year that started on that path. and i would have to continuity in order to i think to get up to that level. charlie: anything you want to change about your swing? when you look at where you are and you say i'm number one, do you also look and say, i would like to add distance, as you said to me before. if i could do anything, i would add a bit of distance. jordan: my goals for this year, it didn't consist of trying to improve on each tournament from
last year. what we are trying to do is improve as a player and for me, sure, i could add a little bit of distance. i don't need it. i would rather improve my accuracy and if it comes from a comfort level with my driver, i can certainly hit the ball harder than i do if i feel comfortable with my swing. where i feel the need for improvement is in my wedges, my wedge play. to around 50 to 125 yards the hole, i could be better. and if i can improvewh everywhes will come. charlie: your swing coach looks at your swing today, how would he say it's different? jordan: i don't think there is a whole lot of difference. we go through the videos. when i get into tendencies, he
can pinpoint when i had those before. it's the way my body works compared to the way -- the golf swing is an unnatural movement for your body. so everyone's different. charlie: so many of us have found out. jordan: and so do we and we do it every day, we still find that out. we can pinpoint when they occurred and figure out the changes we made and how successful they were, what we need to adjust from there. i don't need to change my swing at all. there's nothing there, just more owning your own swing. charlie: what's the most exciting part of the game? jordan: being able to pressure and conquer your hand want to do this and make them do this and stop. feeling the line and the momentum of the crowd. when you get a big roar, that is exciting. thousands of people in a setting
around the hole and you know three feet to go that putt's going in and raise your putter up and that seeing that ball drop, it's cool. everyone's hands go up at the same time and lets out the same noise. it's a magical feeling that you don't get to experience. charlie: why do you do it so well? you have the putter in your hand and have a great sense of the speed. >> i think the difference in making mid-range to longer putts. the ones that get that roar and free you up, is speed. i work hard on my speed control. trying to get the ball to just drop where it reaches the front edge of the hole, but it's difficult to do but i do drills with cameron my coach and i feel comfortable that i got that speed down. it's also tough when you have
those nerves. for me, my tendency when the pressure is on and putt to win the tournament, i'm tentative with the putting stroke. either i have to think about it. make sure you put a nice aggressive stroke here. you have to have a trigger when that pressure is on in order to produce the same stroke. it's crazy in golf. charlie: you are one of those people who pay a lot of credit to tiger in the same way that tiger and others paid credit to arnie saying we ought to pay him -- 5% to tiger and 10% to arnie. what is it that tiger did for the game? jordan: he made it cool and athletic. arnie made it cool. tiger made it athletic and had influence on the younger
generation of athletes that maybe golf is cool, let's try golf. and certainly was that way with me. i was an athlete when i was younger and i saw him dominate and was inspiring and i loved playing golf and controlling my destiny and worked hard like he was working and start seeing results and it's fun. charlie: back to you and looking at the game and admiring tiger, is golf doing enough today to attract young minorities to play golf and not go to basketball or not go to other sports to make it attractive. jordan: i don't think that golf is doing enough. i think there are significant steps being taken by opening golf up and opening opportunities up for free or for less money. golf is an expensive sport and i
think in order to appeal to an entire generation of younger athletes, basketball, you just have to a basketball and go find a hoop. you have to make it accessible and it's a challenge. i don't know the answers. i try and help any way that i can and i have a foundation and a lot of that foundation is focused on junior golf and trying to give kids opportunities that they wouldn't normally have and that's just, you know, a tiny little percentage and the overall experience, but i think there could be more that could be done and i think in the coming years, like the drive chip and putt that is happening at augusta, that is something that is free. anybody can go out if you are 7-15. charlie: feel the game. jordan: go to any of these qualifiers and if you just love the game or just started, it
gives a chance to go out there and hack a ball around or take a chance on making this putt, but it's free and anybody can do it and have a chance to kick off masters week. stuff like that, i never would have been able to think of and if i had that opportunity as a kid, if that was there, i would have been striving for that. charlie: exactly. when you go to the masters, are you playing course, competition or yourself? jordan: there, you are playing the golf course and this year it's going to be tricky and last year it was 18 under and trying to repeat a win is to not look at the year before and think it's going to be like that. could be better, could be worse. i have already been to augusta this year and the greens are faster earlier in the season than last year. so they are going to be very fast come tournament time and i
don't think they like 18 under. the year before, bubba won it 8 and i was at five. charlie: who do you think will win the masters this year. jordan: i would put it at 10 to 12 under, firmer greens or you get like a softer golf course, it could be tougher. it's just hard to tell, but i got a feeling they aren't going to like 18 under and make it tougher for us. charlie: four majors, you were 54 under. jordan: i don't think i will ever beat that in my career. hopefully my career is -- another 30 years. but i don't think i'll ever beat that for the four majors. masters played to a record low number and then u.s. open is always tough. but the other two majors were
low scores as well. but they won't be happy that the scores were low. charlie: what's interesting about you and to read what people said about you, it is that you are looking to make the game simpler. your pursuit is simplicity. jordan: i think because of kind of my golf knowledge, i feel like it's easy for me to make it complex. success comes for me in knocking out all these different tools, whether it's an extra swing thought or thinking about where that water is behind the hole and i have a good -- charlie: has to be at least winning how many majors? jordan: i could have a good season without winning a major. charlie: could you really? jordan: if the break didn't go my way and not contending in any of them, i'm not going to be happy at the end of the year.
i have to work my way back in some. sure, in golf, it has to go your way and be in a position. you need both to happen. last year i was in contention four times and two of them went my way and two didn't. charlie: what's the difference between the best player and those who are ranked say 30th? jordan: a lot of it is the desire to want to be in it every week. a lot of guys have an incredible mount of talent, but some guys -- guys are either they are adjusting to being in contention consistently, because in order to be in the top 10 in the world you need to be very consistent and you need to win quite a few times. either they are still learning how to close or consistency is just off. if you are 30th in the world,
you are also winning multiple worldwide events. not like you don't have an ability to close. but at the big events, to you you have to contend. charlie: when did you know you had that? jordan: probable -- probably end of 2014, beginning of last year. charlie: 2014 where you lost the masters to bubba. jordan: i won the australian open and tiger's event which neither counted on the pga tour. charlie: and it said what to you? jordan: here it is, i can close. tour event andga been in contention 20 times and only had one more where i truly had a chance to win coming the last day and those events. i learned how to close, i played my best golf after i already had
the lead and that what i almost looked at the leaderboard and instead of pushing this -- instead of pushing it to 4, i played away from my game and dropped back one or tied and evently second or third place and it was at that time where i just added a little level of patience, not listening to the roars in front or my group, recognizing that an 18-hole final round of golf can feel like two or three rounds. you played the best this whole week. if you sit and play your exact game, some will go your way. and i went to japan and i took that kind of thought process into the final round there and it didn't go my way but the very next week in australia and then tiger, it did. charlie: you want to hit the
jordan: got to be out there. charlie: let me ask you one question, of all the things that you have contained in your golf game, what is the most important thing that makes you number one and give you the season you had last year? jordan: confidence in my putting and confidence in my alignment and confidence in the ability to -- confidence in my own ability to make the big putt when it matters and do that by seeing big putts when it matters. after you see a couple go in big tournaments, you have the visualization and believe you can do it and in our level, when it comes down, little bit of belief that puts that confidence on it. it was fun. lot of fun.