tv With All Due Respect Bloomberg April 17, 2016 11:00am-12:01pm EDT
♪ >> welcome to the best of "with all due respect." donald trump floated names of potential running mate. and paul ryan said count him out. bernie sanders had a huge rally in new york's washington square park. and the democrats held the debate in brooklyn. the new york state primary on tuesday, donald trump and hillary clinton have commanding leads in the public polling. not just in the empire state, but in the other northeastern states voting next. new polls from the quinnipiac university and emerson college show hillary clinton leading bernie sanders 53% to 40% in new york. and 50% to 36% in maryland.
and 49% to 43% in connecticut. on the eve of the clinton-sanders debate, tensions are high between the two democrats and their camps on issues like guns, wall street, and fracking. today, bernie sanders take up his first endorsement from a senate colleague in oregon and campaigned with a union picketing verizon. how does hillary clinton doing in her attempt to bring the left into her camp while she continues to battle bernie sanders? >> there is the left that is the activist, who are feeling the bern. she was with the national action network today, gave a strong speech appealing to african-americans. the part of the left she has performed well with, she continues to perform well with.
she will turn them out and do well in new york, and that is a component of her holding onto the nomination. >> a lot of bernie sanders supporters who speak disparagingly of hillary clinton. i do not know if she needs them. i think the clinton people understand that simultaneously when and if she vanquishes bernie sanders, she will need to do something for the people on the left and move to the center. her greatest gift would be if donald trump and ted cruz are the republican nominees, that will bring a lot of democrats home from the left. >> she needs those votes, it if you think about the coalition barack obama put together, a big percentage of millennials, helped him get to 270 electoral votes, she needs those people. she does not need to see the stories about how democrats will sit on their hands at home.
>> i meet sanders supporters who did not vote for barack obama. >> for some people it is their first time to vote. donald trump's polling margins are just as hefty as hillary clinton's, close to 50% in new york and connecticut which could trigger a winner take all scenarios for the delegates in those states, and a 20 point lead over ted cruz and john kasich in maryland. big wins there would put him closer to winning the nomination before the summer. donald trump has hired a man who recently worked on scott walker's campaign as his national political director. the republican front-runner still battling party leaders.
how was donald trump doing in the battle to try to bring the establishment into his camp? >> today, not so well. the reaction about requirement being hired, not good for him, he signed on for the front runner, but how dare he, doing this for all the wrong reasons. they think it will be fine if he wins the nomination, but there is still a huge never-donald trump movement. there was a time when it seems laughable when you saw stories that said, we hate ted cruz so much, maybe donald trump is better. >> people have written stories about bringing the people in means donald trump will make his camp more professional, a sign of maturity on his part. it has nothing to do with the
broader question of getting mainstream, establishment republicans at large in the electorate establishment. >> there has not been an endorsement like jeff sessions or chris christie. ted cruz has gone virtually with no endorsements since wisconsin, marco rubio last night said nice things about him. >> donald trump has a long way to go. >> it is getting worse rather than better. >> whenever people bring up donald trump's general election numbers, he says they will improve once he turned his full attention against hillary clinton. leaving aside personal attacks, which would be part of a trump-clinton general election, what would he use as issues to his benefit in a hypothetical
trump-clinton general election? >> he has had a hard time sticking with the economic message that gave him first entree into the hearts and minds of republican voters. if he decided to be disciplined about that, and argued that he is a manager and understands businesses, worked in the private sector, and understands world affairs on the economic level better than hillary clinton, he could make claim to that and he will try to say that, on issues like trade, though she has moved to the left, she is not credible given her husband's history and donald trump is more credible. >> he would use immigration as an issue, campaign finance. he would go deep into the clinton foundation, the super pacs, the question of big money. the last issue is economics. not a positive agenda, he will try to hang the obama economy around her neck.
>> the question is not, will or could, but he could do all of those things. as i said, he has not proven very disciplined at sticking to what could be useful messages. whether he can do the things. >> the other big thing is foreign policy, he will ask her what she accomplished as secretary of state. a lot of democrats struggle to answer that question. >> she knows a lot more about foreign policy than he does. coming up next, our conversation with ted cruz. ♪
are you trying to win this state? >> the numbers suggest donald trump will do well. and if he does anything other than win it with substantially more than 50%, it will be perceived as a loss for him. we are competing and trying to earn as many delegates, and competing on the ground. our campaign is a national campaign. look at the last three weeks, amazing three weeks, won 11 elections in a row in four different states. that momentum will continue. >> what would be a success? sen. cruz: we welcome every delegate we can earn. when donald trump came to texas, we walloped him. any serious candidate should be able to win their home state and donald is likely to do well. i am encouraged by the support. "the new york sun" endorsed our
campaign and me as the strongest constitutionalist in the race, the person you can trust to defend the bill of rights and the strongest commander in chief that understands that we have to be active standing by our friends and allies, like the nation of israel, and standing up to radical islamic terrorists. >> your path to the nomination is finishing with the second-most number of delegates before cleveland. and on the subsequent ballot, winning at that point, donald trump will be disappointed. he will have had the most delegates. what would you need from him in that scenario, and expect from him to help unify the party if you come in with the second-most and leave with the win? sen. cruz: more and more likely we are headed to a contested convention. if that happens, i will come in with a ton of delegates and donald trump will come in with a ton, but neither will have a majority.
regardless, what that means is that in cleveland, a battle to see who can earn a majority of the delegates who were elected by the people. in that contest, we will have the significant advantage of being able to assemble and unite the republican party and that is my focus. if we are divided and fighting amongst ourselves, we cannot win. our focus is bringing together the republican party and it is why i am so encouraged we are winning election after election, and seeing that full range of republicans uniting. >> the scenario up to that point, you would have donald trump disappointed. he has sent signals he would say the system was rigged against him and his supporters, the hundreds of thousands and millions of people who voted for him or supported him, how do you bring donald trump and his supporters in at that point? sen. cruz: i will not predict how he will react, the test
winning the nomination has been the same since 1860, the only way to win is to get the majority of the delegates elected by the people. and whoever the nominee is, that is what they will have to do. if it ends up, as probably will happen in a contested convention, that we are a majority, it will be critically important to keep the donald trump supporters energized and engaged. one of the reasons i think i am the last man standing against donald is because, if you look at those supporters, the heart of his campaign, demographically, blue-collar workers, the reagan democrats, the only candidate who has competed effectively for those voters throughout the primary has been me. in some states, he has won those blue-collar voters, and in other states, i have won them. the issues that energize and excite the trump voters, illegal immigration, securing the border, keeping the country safe, and bringing jobs back to america from china and mexico, those issues at the heart of our
campaign. >> you think you can reach his supporters without his full support for you in cleveland? sen. cruz: i certainly hope so. no doubt in a contested convention that is something you worry about, having divisions in the party, and we will have to work hard at continuing to unite the party. one sign that is encouraging, look at the 17 republican candidates who started this race, five of them are supporting my campaign. we have been endorsed by rick perry, lindsey graham, jeb bush, scott walker, carly fiorina, that is indicative of the republican party uniting and each of those was fighting vigorously against me. part of the reason we united the party is, in the course of those battles, our campaign never got personal or nasty, never attacked them directly. we have policy disagreements in a healthy primary but it makes
it easier to unite. i hope and believe the same will be true with donald's supporters. >> let me ask you a human question. it has gotten nasty. he calls you lyin' ted every day, he re-tweeted a picture of your wife meant to insult her. did you talk to him last night? sen. cruz: i did not see him last night. i would have talked to him. >> is this political theater or, normal human beings, if somebody treated me like that, i would never be friends with them, we would never be allies. is that what this is? can this be fixed? sen. cruz: i try hard not to take it personally, people behave -- there is the old adage of the frog and the scorpion, and frog getting the scorpion across the river. and the scorpion stinging him. and as the frog is sinking, he asked the scorpion, "why did you
sting me -- now we both shall die?" the scorpion says, "that it is my nature." people behave according to their nature. he lashes out, donald lashes out when he is scared and losing. when we beat him, he gets nasty and i recognize that. we are all human beings with natural human emotions. the focus, at the end of the day, is not on donald and on me, the focus is solving the problems in this country. my focus is jobs and economic growth, that is the focus of people in new york, they want high-paying jobs. >> your tax plan is at the centerpiece of what you have done, but you do not talk about it in a way that i find many people referring to it. how would you explain it to college freshmen? sen. cruz: a flat tax, a family of four, the first 36,000 of which you earn, you pay zero, no income tax, no payroll tax, about $36,000. for each additional dollar,
everyone pays the same simple, flat, 10% tax, a gazillionaire pays the same as the secretary. the gazillionaire does not pay a lower effective tax rate. on the business side, we abolish the corporate income tax, abolish the obamacare taxes and the payroll taxes, which are the biggest taxes most working men and women pay. we abolish the death tax which is cruel and unfair to farmers, and ranchers, and small businesses. we replace those with a 16% business flat tax that is fair and uniform. no longer te giant corporations with tons of accountants pay nothing while small businesses get hammered. under this simple flat tax, every american will fill out their taxes on a postcard and you can see the postcard on our website, or fill out your taxes on a smart phone. we abolish the irs. that is a message -- particularly today, today is tax day, we have an extension until monday this year but people are
thinking about the burdens of washington. especially with the obama irs, which has been politicized, corrupted, targeted citizens based on their first amendment rights. it is time to end the corrupt agency that is the irs and my simple flat tax will produce 4.9 million new jobs and raise wages for americans across this country. the average family, over 10 years, will have an additional $7,600 in take-home pay. that is real money for people struggling. >> will any businesses or individuals pay more? sen. cruz: it is possible, i have not done the taxes of every individual in america but projection shows that every income level sees an increase in after-tax income of at least double digits, 14% is the lowest increase, and that is when we were designing it. i worked closely with art laffer, the chief economic advisor of ronald reagan and one of the things i was looking for is that it had to help everyone
and produce growth. the key to every problem we have, whether unemployment or the deficit, strengthening and preserving social security and medicare, treatment in the military, it has to be growth. this tax plan is designed to turbo-charge growth so small businesses take off. and in particular, so manufacturing jobs come back to america, back from china and mexico, and back to the state of new york. >> an idea of how much the ted cruz family would pay? sen. cruz: i have not run those numbers. >> you like bruce springsteen? sen. cruz: i enjoy him. not particularly -- >> he announced they will not play in north carolina because of the bathroom law. when you hear an artist doing something like that, do you think that is legitimate or disrespectful? what does it make you think about bruce springsteen? sen. cruz: he has a free-speech right, he has a right not to
travel there if he disagrees with something. i think a lot of hollywood and entertainment latches onto whatever is politically correct and popular. my view, i am a constitutionalist and states have rights to pass laws consistent with the values of their citizens. it may very well be that the citizens of north carolina will make different judgments than the citizens of new york, and that is our constitution operates. >> you are a careful lawyer, is it the case you have started, or are about to start a vetting running mates? sen. cruz: any responsible presidential campaign will begin looking at potential vice presidential nominees, less than 100 days away from the convention, and you have to do that. we are in the process of assessing, and i will say it is a nice situation on the republican side because you are an abundance of good choices. you start with 17 candidates candidates who ran, terrific governors. you know what, there will not be
it has been fantastic. >> your husband has said you may be from vermont but you are not intimidated by this, is this intimidated to run here? jane: we are not intimidated by new york. we love it. now that you mention it about the election, but secretary clinton represented new york. it feels like home. >> your husband has made the complaint that the process has been unfair given the way the rules are designed, do you agree? jane: it does seem kind of silly that 30% of the votes you need are non--- superdelegates. people, not the voters. that does not seem quite right. i know that's what the republicans wish they had.
we do not agree with the way -- one person one vote. >> your grandkids, what do you say, they say he won wyoming by 12 points and he got the same number of delegates as hillary clinton had. jane: every state has their own rules, i do not like how they figured out, and it does not make sense to me, but those were the rules that were set before we entered. >> unlike donald trump, you would not say they are corrupt rules, or fixed? jane: interesting to see it is different state-by-state. i would like to see more of a federal election that you win a state -- every state has the same requirements for registration. independents cannot vote in new york. we are building the democratic party and yet we are keeping them out. since last october, if they did not register as democrats, that does not seem smart. >> you mentioned the
superdelegates and the role they play, you are trying to sway them and bring them over, what is your message to them? jane: the key is to look who is the best candidate for the general election. whoever the democratic party nominee is going to win the base of the party. who wins the independents and who sways some of the republicans, i think bernie has done that throughout his career, he wins independents everywhere. in our own state of vermont, in his last senatorial election, he got 25% of the republicans because they say, "we know you and trust you." we might not agree with everything you say, but we know we can count on you to do what you say. he is a much better candidate, predicting it that way, but if you look at the polls, he is doing much better against all the republicans than secretary clinton. >> more with jane sanders, wife of bernie sanders, when we come back. ♪
♪ >> we are back with one of bernie sanders' closest advisers, and occasionally his primary news source like when she broke the news on saturday that he had won the wyoming caucuses. jane sanders, thank you for being here again. we were talking about that a little bit in wyoming and the differences in the delegate pool, but talk to us a little bit about your role, how you define it, as someone who is campaigning for him. you are very involved in knowing his at making. -- is at making. ad making. sanders: there's about half a dozen of us that work with bernie on anything that is necessary, so it's a strategic role, but it started with just
buying the furniture for the office. whatever needed to be done was done. now i travel with him a lot, which has been really nice. really just talking about strategy, scheduling, and television advertising. mark: apparently, there's one role you have uniquely -- you are the family cpa. sanders: well, turbotax is. mark: here's a candidate who says when he releases his taxes, there will be no problem, but he will not say when, how much. sanders: that's my fault. i was expecting that when they were due, we would be releasing them. mark: how about the prior year's? sanders: sure, if i can find them. we have not been home in a month. tin of weeks ago, the clinton campaign or somebody asked, and we said of course we will release them, and we will. mark: if donald trump or some
other candidate said, "i will release them eventually, trust me," would you say, "that's fine" or would you say "we really need to see those?" sanders: i would expect that when they were due, they would come out. every year in the past, we have asked for an extension, but will not do that this year. every election, we have released them. mark: but you will release your whole returns, not just a summary? we look forward to that. sanders: can i have time to go home? mark: you are saying there is nothing in them? sanders: nothing. we are pretty boring.
social security. i sold my mom's condo at the beginning of the year. mark: pretty simple return? sanders: yes, pretty simple return. >> on the republican side, there was a kerfuffle or however you want to describe it about melania trump and heidi cruz. are spouses fair game in this? sanders: i do not think families are fair game. spouses themselves act in a supportive role. we are not playing politics. to criticize people as they did, as trump did for heidi cruz for her looks -- first of all, she is a very nice-looking woman, but beyond that, it's just not nice to make personal attacks.
mark: are you leaving for italy with your husband? sanders: i am. mark: the new york primary is an eight days. you're spending two days -- sanders: actually, one and a half. we will have events on saturday. we have been in new york all this time, and we will continue through the election. we has been in new york a lot more than secretary clinton has. mark: does anyone on the campaign think it is a bad use of time? sanders: everyone thinks it is the right thing to do. mark: what will you do there? sanders: bernie will be talking about the location of a moral economy. that is an invitation you do not want to reject. this is quite an honor, and it
is something that he feels very strongly that pope francis is an excellent leader in the issues he talks about are similar to what bernie talks about. mark: you do not want my restaurant recommendations because you're coming right back. next time you go, i will give them to you. do you think in our politics that the press and political opponents cherry pick or seize on one word or one phrase too often rather than looking at the totality of what is said? is that a fair criticism of the process? sanders: i would definitely say that. it's crazy that the story is the gaffe, not with the intent was. i think bill clinton probably regrets how he handled that
question her, but he was speaking about other things as well. mark: i would say that you are right, but i would also say that your campaign occasionally has done that to your political opponent -- is that fair? to say that sometimes you will take one thing secretary clinton has said and exaggerated impact? sanders: i don't know that that is true. i think that is politics today. i know i always try to see what she meant and the context. when it fits with the overall image that hillary clinton is trying to project or does not fit with it, then we might put it out there, but it is always in an overall context. >> you might not want to go here, it may be premature, but a lot in the pundit world say if he does not win in new york,
it's over for sanders and he should not go on. how do you think about this over the long-term? sanders: no, and that is the question that has been asked in iowa and new hampshire and iowa and everywhere. everybody keeps on thinking he cannot make it. remember when he started, nobody took him seriously. the media did not cover him, and now they are starting to, and he has 18 out of the nine last -- he has won eight out of the nine last contests. he has done well in new york and -- he needs to do well in new york and his opponent's state that she represented. that says a lot. what we are looking at is momentum and how people are feeling. we are in an enviable position. the more people hear about
bernie the more they know about , him, the more they like him. it is unfortunate they did not know more about him before. we did not decide to run until may -- or april. mark: superdelegates from massachusetts, a state hillary clinton won, should they be free to go with the voters? sanders: most of them have been elected to represent their state, so i would think that those representing their state would look to when you have a very large margin, 2/3 or more, i with think that would be given. i know that is how i would comport myself if i were elected. mark: superdelegates should be free to vote either way? sanders: the thinking was that they would be able to use their judgment. mark: use their judgment to say bernie sanders is better than hillary clinton even though the
state voted overwhelmingly for hillary clinton? sanders: no, i think they should go with the majority of voters. as i said, the majority -- a small majority -- mark: so if it's close, they should use their judgment, but if it is a big margin -- sanders: i think they will do whatever they want to do and i'm not here to direct them, but it seems more fair to have people voting 70% or 80% in the elections, that they vote with the people. mark: when we have you back, we will talk about hamilton. sanders: it was great. mark: good luck on the trail. john: when we come back, my conversation with ice cube on the day of his induction into the rock 'n roll hall of fame.
john: one of this year's inductees into the rock 'n roll hall of fame and undoubtedly one of the most deserving is n.w.a. i met up with one of the group's founders and certified rockstar ice cube. let's just say it -- it was a good day. we also spent a lot of our conversation talking about politics, starting with the ways in which n.w.a. was from the start a defiantly political act. ice cube: we said you are about to witness the strength of street knowledge. you are about to witness a knowledge coming off the streets or out the street that you may not have ever witnessed before. we just wanted to be real. we just wanted to be honest. street knowledge is a term to me that means letting the streets
know what the government, politics, police, whatever authority figures are doing, up to. exposing them. and also, if the politicians are listening, letting them know what the street think and how things are going. hopefully, there's some understanding that can be made in all of this. john: you became like a flashpoint in a lot of ways. what was that like? did it seem totally crazy that you guys were at the center of so much controversy? ice cube: it was crazier to speak on it and get all this recognition was great, but also, we had to realize and grow up real fast because we felt the powers that be were kind of converging on us at the time,
and it became a freedom of speech issue. the pmrc, led by tipper gore, and countless others coming out the wood works trying to say that music was the cause of all evil in the world. we knew that was not true. john: the movie comes out last year, "straight outta compton" when you have ferguson, baltimore, staten island -- all these incidents of police brutality, and it was a lot of the stuff you were talking about in 1988, 1989, was super relevant again. ice cube: in a lot of ways, it's a shame that the same thing we were going through is the same thing that is happening and not too much has changed with the behavior of the authorities on just realizing that it's not
cool to prey on your citizens. john: when the movie came out was the beginning of this black lives matter movement. ice cube: one race in the culture is being treated unfairly, and it's probably more than one, probably a few being treated unfairly by the system, so that has to be addressed. i think the fact that you even have to say black lives matter lets you know how bad the problem is. people who do not understand the black lives matter movement need to understand when you feel that the government is against you, who is going to be with you? john: bill clinton was giving a speech in philadelphia and a bunch of lack lives matter protesters came and tried to shout it down.
they remember in the 90's when hillary clinton about gang members as super predators -- hillary clinton talked about gang members as super predators and used that kind of language to justify the legislation her husband and all kinds of people passed. that's what people used to say about n.w.a. -- super predator. it seems crazy we are still having this conversation in 2016. ice cube: to call your own citizens super predators is pretty harsh and it's a pretty big indictment. it's like the term thug or hoodlum. it isn't easy brush to paint somebody with, and it's not solving the problem. it is just making it worse because now you have authorities feeling like they are justified in how they treat these so-called super predators. what is that? who is that? specifically, who are you talking about?
back in the 1980's, daryl gates and the lapd did a war on gangs, but if i'm a black kid that is not in a gang but i look like a gang member to this white officer, then it's a war on me. that's the problem with a term like super predators. for some reason, democrats feel like they are exempt from these protests. "we are democrats. why are you talking to us like this? go talk to republicans." no, no everyone in the , government is guilty of turning their back and passing bad legislation and everyone should be called out on it. john: that may seem totally legitimate. that makes sense to you? ice cube: of course because she might be president of the united states, and if she becomes
president of the united states, we need to know what she is thinking and how she is going to fix this. she helped create it in a way. john: do you have a point of view about donald trump? ice cube: donald trump is what americans love. donald trump is what americans aspire to be -- rich, powerful, do what you want to do, say what you want to say, be how you want to be. that has kind of been, like, the american dream. he looks like a boss to everybody, and americans love to have a boss. that is his appeal to me. do i think he's going to do anything to help poor people are people that are struggling? no, because he's a rich white guy. how can he relate. he has always been rich. being rich does not make you bad, i'm not saying that.
i'm just saying -- how can he relate to the small guy? john: a lot of people, even before he ran for president, when he was one of the leaders of the birther movement, loudly going around that president obama was born in kenya -- how do you feel about that? ice cube: i'm still mad he took down the usfl. i think that was a cool league. he sounded crazy to me then. i can see raising the question, but once you get the answer, move on. to still harp on it and live a you are sending investigators and all this stuff to me was just a guy who could not say that he was wrong. john: thoughts about bernie sanders?
feeling the bern at all? ice cube: to me, it's like he has been there 30 years, and what have you done? what are you going to do different from outside congress? what is going to happen different? where you been? all of them, to me, got work to get my vote. john: thanks. we will keep you updated on the cube primary. we will be right back. ♪