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john kasich and ted cruz have hashed out a rare bargain to help each other try to stop donald trump from the republican nomination. like some high profile hookups. john kasich says he will stay out of ted cruz's way in indiana while ted cruz will steer clear of new mexico and oregon. it's being called an agreement, an alliance, a pact, a treaty. today in rhode island a certain someone used a different word for it. >> it is collusion. if you collude -- in politics you are allowed to collude, and i was happy because it shows how weak they are. it shows how pathetic they are. mark: this morning as kasich campaigned in philadelphia, ted cruz was in indiana. they defended their unorthodox cooperation. >> i don't see this as any big deal other than the fact that i'm not going to spend resources in indiana and he's not going to spend them in other places. so what?
what is the big deal? i've never told them not to vote for me. i am not over there campaigning and spending resources. we have limited resources. >> he's focusing his energies elsewhere. that is a decision allocation of resources that makes a lot of and is devoted to the principle of meeting hillary clinton and turning the country around. >> donald trump is going to scream and yell -- that has been his pattern. mark: what is behind this extraordinary deal and is it a good idea? john: as a wise man has been saying all day long, it's obviously true. and is devoted to the principle they would not be doing this if
they didn't have to. i've been saying for weeks that they should start doing stuff like this. in california, where the districts are in play, both these guys, ted cruz has plenty of money, john kasich does not. donald trump has an achievable but difficult goals. for those guys to not be strategic would be stupid. mark: it will do well in the northeast tomorrow. indiana is very important. it was identified by all the campaigns as a state that could make or break donald trump's chances of getting to a majority. anything that increases his chances of not getting indiana is a good deal for the non-trumpers. the question now is, can the groups come in and create an environment where ted cruz can stop donald trump? he has to do it.
he has to take the opportunity to try to make the case of why indiana republicans and those voting in the open primary should vote for ted cruz and not trump. john: it really is -- the people who were going to vote for kasich are still going to. they are not going to go and vote for ted cruz. within a primary system, the undecided voters right now, where are they going to go? certainly, media dollars are being spent. that could make the difference in a very close race. mark: cruz people believe they can get some kasich people. john: saying -- you would be a crazy candidate to tell your voters to vote for someone else. if you believed ted cruz and john kasich are colluding, that fits neatly into the story that
donald trump has been pushing more broadly about the republican contest, that it is a crooked deal that is rotten to the core. this weekend, ted cruz outhustled donald trump for delegates again at the state convention in maine. the trump campaign announced the front runner will campaign in indiana tomorrow with a legendary basketball coach, bobby knight. how do you think the cruise-kasich deal will affect the way donald trump campaigns for the next six weeks? mark: he needs to win indiana and he needs to think about taking on ted cruz there. he will need to figure out how to engage in a one-on-one
contest without getting drawn in. the other thing he needs to think about is after tomorrow night, does he need to shake things up? donald trump does not change very much. is he on a path to do that? john: it's pretty clear that ted cruz is going to camp out in indiana. it seems to me that for all these reasons, if trump can win in indiana even after this deal
has been cut, it will amplify the effect that indiana was going to have any way if you want it. he can save these guys colluded against me and i still beat them in indiana. he must spend money there, he must be on the air and on the ground there. it is crucial for him to pull that off. he could drive a stake in the heart of this whole thing. mark: he has to appeal to the moderate republicans where kasich has been strong. those are the kind of republicans he needs to unify the party. a big win with the right demographic support would help donald trump.
he continues to not do well in winning these after the primary caucuses. the trump people are pretty much first ballot or bust. one of the things donald trump needs to consider if he doesn't do well in indiana is if they need to broaden that strategy. it makes winning indiana all that much more important. john: this is a state that is not that different from illinois. it's not that different from other midwestern states were donald trump has done well, michigan for example. the bathroom issue in north carolina, that's the issue where relatively moderate republicans might be more attracted to donald trump and they would be to ted cruz. he's trying to win by taking all those rural voters. mark: look for donald trump to pick up some sports related indiana endorsements. look to see if he gets any political endorsements in that state and creates that bandwagon effect. so far he has not. winner take all by congressional district, all you need is a paralysis there to win all the delegates, not a majority. it is also an open primary. even if his rivals can see he's going to do well in the five northeastern states, likely picking up more than 100 delegates, indiana all he has 57, but it has a lot of momentum as dated with it. according to the latest online tracking poll donald trump leads with 40%. ted cruz has 35%.
kasich has 20% in that poll. how big are the state if donald trump wins indiana? does it end contest? john: it doesn't end it, but would donald trump having it big in new york, if he has a huge night and goes to indiana and when stair and takes the popular vote and the most delegates, the question we been asking ever since new york, does the momentum in the northeast carry? it will start to look like it does. the psychology is very important, even more than
delegates. mark: part of why was so vital to get kasich out is the indianapolis media market. seven of the congressional districts of the 10 are touched by the indianapolis media market. it's a place where you have people who support people like mitch daniels when he was governor. more moderate republicans, the kind that ted cruz has not been a will to win in significant numbers in the northeast. if ted cruz can make inroads there, great for him. it's up to ted cruz, not just for the symbolism and the delegates. they are running out of real estate. john: it has been a long time. ted cruz one in wisconsin, not that long ago, but it feels like a long time. you look at the polling, a lot of people believe it is right around 40%. only about 5% undecided. if ted cruz picks up a little bit of kasich if he collapses because he's given up on indiana. mark: there are two groups that will give up on stopping donald trump if he wins indiana.
excitement is playing the game. that's advice from donald trump in his book "the art of the deal." our political correspondent has tracked the stop trump movement. thank you for joining us. we been talking about the prospect that these outside groups would be able to devote their resources simply to a virtual one-on-one. what do you know about what the group's plan in the last week before the indiana primary? >> i think it's more of a pulling back from defense, if you will. these groups are going to stay on offense in the places where they kind of agree they will have a detente.
in oregon you will see the kasich forces likely still go up with negative ads against ted cruz because they think that is the most effective way for them to get john kasich to win in oregon. the same in indiana, the pro-cruz forces will have those spots up against casey. they will not go into places like oregon and new mexico, you will not see that ted cruz super pac go in there to try to shore up numbers, and likewise you will not see the candidates themselves out on the trail to it the big picture, that is really what this is all about. it's as much about these outside groups as the candidate and it's really about these donors. a lot of the big donors got burned backing jeb bush and others. it was clear there was kind of a breaking point approaching where they would need to do something to reassure these people that if they kept funding the stop trump movement they might actually get somewhere. >> we been told ted cruz plans
to spend much of the next week in indiana. any indication how donald trump plans to approach the state? >> the big headline on that point today is that donald trump hinted he hopes he could attract bobby knight, the famous basketball coach. he already has that locked in. minutes later the release comes out, an event with donald trump and bobby knight. that is one way to do it. for donald trump it really is about the branding and marketing. to have himself aligned with someone who is popular there, to have the big splash, that is something we will see in indiana. it was notable that ted cruz had the opportunity to talk about this deal and the words he chose were very telling.
he said john kasich has withdrawn from indiana, allowing us to have a head to head. that is not really what the deal was about. ted cruz did acknowledge he was going to pull back from the west coast states, more natural places for john kasich. even though they had that strategy with the funding and donor class movement, the two candidates are still the same guys who don't want to cede any ground to each other. we saw that in the way they were dismissive of the plant and saying they do not want to tell their voters not to support them. sometimes the tactics don't meet with the real world of the campaign trail. donald trump was in full character today, with facial expressions, hand gestures, voice intonation, taking on both kasich and cruz in mocking tones, dissecting what he thinks they have not done well in this
campaign. it was the relentless performance meant to tell voters here and those watching around the country that he thinks he can take out the last two opponents. certainly those other forces in the party are worried about that, but donald trump did what he has done all along, try to label his opponents and relentlessly pound that in. >> more presidential if he were trying to be president of the flight -- of the friars club? >> he made a promise today, saying he will stop tweeting if he becomes president. he made a social media promised to back away from his most common form of talking to his supporters and the general public. we will have to watch carefully if his tweet rate changes in the days to come.
john: in the discussion of presidential behavior, donald trump going after john kasich, mocked his eating habits, the sometimes enthusiastic way that governor kasich eats. you talked to john kasich in maryland not that long ago and asked what he thought about how donald trump talked about him. >> governor kasich was not amused, shall we say. he didn't really have any interest in engaging with or discussing at all his eating habits. he remained stonefaced and would not really engage on the nickname front either. i guess his moment in the sun from that perspective, but he was not interested in that either. he did not want to talk too much about how long the pact between the two camps was going to last.
it really is an open question. the piece of the map that is so important is california. figuring out how to split up a state like california will take more than agreement of hands off in one area or the other. they may have to sit down and carve it up by congressional district. i have some questions about whether the super pacs might start to get together. they could talk to each other if they decided to take that step. the early outline seems to be the bay area for kasich, southern california for ted cruz. kasich refused to commit to having this go beyond anything that was not strictly outlined as of today.
john: at one point, you set how long will it go, and he said whatever our teams agreed to. he seemed sort of passive aggressive in the interview. it seemed a little odd to me, the tenor that he took with you. >> i was a little surprised. his communications director followed up with me afterwards and said it's all about beating hillary clinton and john kasich is the person to beat hillary clinton. he didn't want to make that argument with me and you know he is usually a good-natured guy. the way at this played out seemed to be under his skin today. >> thank you. we will talk with johnson new un fromm -- john sonun new hampshire about why this deal was struck. ♪
mark: joining us the national cochairman of john kasich's presidential campaign, senator john sununu. welcome back to the show. donald trump says ted cruz and john kasich are colluding and they are desperate and pathetic. what say you? >> donald trump is scared. he's not going to have enough delegates at the convention, we are going to an open convention and he will lose 300-400 delegates on the second ballot, and once he does, he will not be the nominee. it's about using resources effectively. john kasich is not going to spend money in indiana and ted cruz will not spend money in new mexico or oregon. that gives them both a chance to play to their strengths. equally important, tomorrow john kasich will win delegates in connecticut, rhode island,
maryland and pennsylvania. every delegate he takes away from donald trump makes it harder for him to get 50%. mark: can you argue this was done out of strength as opposed to weakness? >> it was done because it is a good tactical move. he doesn't get the billion dollars in free media that donald trump gets. you guys cover donald trump all the time. you've given him more free media than anyone else in the history of politics. that's what this is about. john: does the kasich campaign agree it's important that donald trump lose in indiana? >> if he loses in indiana, and as you pointed out, he is an net -- he is neck and neck with ted
cruz at the moment, it makes it just about impossible for him to get to 1237. a loss in indiana puts it out of reach. in a convention, you will have 2400 republican delegates. it is an open, fair, transparent system. everyone knows the rules and the delegates will decide who has the strength to lead the party in november. >> if ted cruz is the likeliest person to beat trump, why is governor kasich saying that people should still vote for him in indiana? >> the point he was making is that it is an agreement about resources. it is simple. it's about where the campaigns will spend money. you are trying to make it more complicated. it is a cross endorsement or telling people who divorced -- who to vote for or not to vote for? it's not about that. it's about where they are going to target their financial resources, plain and temple.
-- plain and simple. >> explain how the next month will play out between these three candidates. >> forget about the next month. two weeks from now, you will let -- you will look at the delegate totals and it will not be clear that donald trump is going to have to win 80% of the delegates or some such number to get to 1237. everyone will know and understand we're going to an open convention. two or three weeks, ago everyone thought donald trump was inevitable. now they know that an open convention is likely and in two weeks it will be a certainty. beefxt, hillary clinton, steak and hula blue and much more. we will be right back with all of it. ♪ show me movies with romance.
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television and it shocked the nation. for once, that was not donald j trump. he spoke to jonathan karl and expressed some concern about the existing republican presidential candidate is the one he would be more comfortable with the nose and his party? take a listen. ofas far as the growth government, increasing spending, it was two and a half times under bush than clinton. >> is it possible clinton could be better than another republican? >> it is possible. >> you cannot see yourself supporting hillary clinton could you? >> well, we would have to believe her actions would be quite different than her rhetoric. john: that interview was followed by a front-page story about the ceo in both parties in the cycle that says "mrs. clinton may believe -- may appear to be the most business
-- pro-business option." also this weekend in the new york times, mark lander wrote about how when compared to public and rivals hillary clinton may draw greater support for military hawks. we will have a lot more with him later in the show. the gop still dealing with the possibility that republican women may decide to vote the first woman in the presidential history. do if anything to do with the possibility that hillary clinton could poach hawks, business people, fema leaders, -- female leaders? mark: they will have to win the battle of ideas for the elites, because you could easily see a hillary clinton press conference, retired military officials for clinton, corporate ceos for clinton, small business owners for clinton, republican women for clinton.
donald trump and ted cruz will have to come forward with policies that put her on the defense but put them on the offense of those groups doesn't will break the back of the republican party if they have widespread defections amongst the elites in those categories. john: let's be clear. with women she will have a leg up, policy and her history. she will have a leg up in that area. one of the dirty little secrets of her time on the senate armed services committee, the military likes of the content and they think that she knows her stuff. the other business leaders, interesting question because of course she has run pretty far to the left in this domination fight with bernie sanders. mark: yet the wall street journal front-page story says, she may be seen as better on trade, better on infrastructure, better on immigration. john: i know. mark: if you look at bill clinton in 1992, endorsed by
tons of republicans, you look at barack obama and the financial crisis, tons of business people and republicans saying he is better than mccain with the economy. for david took to say that, it is huge. john: we cannot make this point enough times, when a democrat make significant inroads with corporate america for the pentagon and military establishment, those are huge problems for republicans. those are traditional areas of strength for republicans, and they will have a huge leg up getting the general election. mark: right now, hillary clinton is in a better place than donald trump and ted cruz. times,g of the new york they published a piece this weekend and for the first time naming some names of potential hillary clinton running mates. , after theose
republicans make their pick for a running the. patrick, castro, a labor secretary, tim kaine and others. this article set off a torrent of speculation. what are these laws in the things they are currently saying about a potential clinton running mate? john: the course law, even though hillary clinton is a planner, she is going to be meticulous, going to be calculating about this choice, and i do not think they will get serious, serious about this until they know who the republican nominee is. all of this is widely premature at this point. mark: the nominee may be picked in the convention. we may see the two vice presidential selections picked within days of each other.
the biggest flaw besides that is, people drop names to be picked by hillary clinton, after seeing -- be seen as ready to be president. there are people on this list, sorry, not all of you are seen as presidential. wall who people on the would not survive a political battle. john: i agree with that. this is one of the things, the prisms through which the political press and others speculate about the vice presidency often has to do with groups.hic this is one area where smart candidates are in a line with political scientist. judgment.he test of did you take this seriously and pick someone who could be your replacement, and if you win that sweepstakes with the press and the voters, that is all you need to do. that is it. mark: be wary of any name that does not match, because hillary clinton not pick them.
about howet about tough bernie sanders is going to be on hillary clinton, bernie sanders has made it clear he is not going anywhere this weekend. many thousands of supporters were in providence, rhode island in connecticut and ffsyed up his usual ri against her. clinton brought
forth this message to those voting tomorrow. ♪ >> we need to make sure he gets a chance to learn how to do that. ♪ stronger when we are all supporting one another. [laughter] ♪ [applause]
john: today, in wilmington ofelaware, she spoke republicans more than her democratic opponent. as this race goes on, as this goes beyond, how can hillary ng sanders?fa mark: punch back maybe it little figure out what you can get them in the platform committee, figure out what night he should speak at the convention, lavish and with praise and find someone who can nominate him at the convention that can lavish
and with praise and be really nice to him. have the clinton and sanders contact be smothered in love and this will not be hard. john: bernie sanders is a guy who has had an incredible journey. he got into this race for reasons, and they will deny this
publicly, they got into the race inchange this topic america. she needs to make clear how much he has changed the party. fool and he is not self-destructive and he does not want to be a republican electorate. there's a lot of common ground. they just have to realize they have already one. won. who is faris a guy beyond where he thought he would be. and letenjoy the moment them raise a lot of money for you. inside come back, the complex relationship between hillary clinton and barack obama. right after this. ♪
♪ mark: president obama still on his european trip, announced he will send additional forces to syria to battle isis. this announcement got us thinking about his legacy and about hillary clinton, now trying to succeed her former boss. our next guest knows a lot about this complicated relationship. mark wendler, the new york times white house correspondent and the author of the new book, alter ego, the twilight struggle over american power. thanks for joining us, congratulations on the book. >> thank you, mark. mark: seven years into the administration, how would you describe the differences in their relationship today as compared to when she joined the administration about seven years ago? >> for one thing, they know each
other well. they know each other's foibles. there is a level of understanding and tolerance that comes from just being so familiar with one another. it was kind of distant and formal and mannerly at the beginning. they were like two people, just planets in orbit. now they know each other well and i think the president recognizes that whatever failing she may have from his perspective, he needs her to win this election to secure some of the important parts of his foreign-policy legacy, for starters. i think there's a degree of mutual interest and understanding. i would not go so far as to say they are close friends. i do not think there is evidence that they ever became close friends, certainly not the relationship he developed with joe biden but a lot of mutual respect and understanding, for sure. john: your book is about their difference in the sense of what america's role should be in this world. in what places where they most
in conflict in real-time, where there were actual arguments between them when she was secretary of state and he was president? >> i think probably the biggest one was syria. if you recall, she advocated forcefully along with david petraeus for aiding the modern rebels and president obama was extremely reluctant. he finally came around on this after petraeus was out of a job and clinton was on her way out of state. he never embraced it with the robust kind of approach that clinton would have favored. if you go forward in time, she has been pretty open about saying that some of the decisions that were made in 2012 helped open up the space that the islamic state swept in an occupied in both syria and iraq. that is the brightest line between the two of them, and even for today, she is on record as favoring a partial no-fly zone. that is a step the president is in no way ready to take.
mark: they have some tactical disagreements. if you go up to the strategic level and the role of america should be playing in the role -- world today, where did they disagree on that? >> i would say in the broadest terms that president obama has set out to defined american -- define american interest more narrowly than any other post-world war ii president. there are things where he just doesn't believe the u.s. should take major military risks. one key example is ukraine. the president feels ukraine matters a great deal more to vladimir putin and russia than it does to us. and will do much more to make sure he retains his influence there. clinton would've taken a tougher line against putin in ukraine. the idea of supplying lethal defensive weapons to ukrainian
troops. that's something the president has refused to do amongst the advice of his zones defense secretary. i think at the strategic level it's a question of how you define american interest in what you're willing to do to defend them. the president defines them more narrowly than hillary clinton does. john: she came in with more foreign-policy and national security experience and knowledge than when he became president. so, part of the reason why she was appointed was because she can bring that to the table. is there is an exact -- is there an example you can think of where she influenced him on a major foreign-policy decision? >> yes, there is a big one with a mixed legacy. it's the nato intervention in libya. she really was the key player in turning the president around and making him agree to support this fairly risky intervention. the idea being that had to avert potential genocide in benghazi. i think the president has characterized this is one of the
most difficult decisions he has made in one he has deep grants about -- regrets about. clearly the aftermath was terrible. it not only led to the country being in chaos, it's bond example,d the benghazi clinton and a more lasting way. she was really the key person. if you look at the e-mail records, which are now all public, her own advisers were saying this would be the cornerstone of a hillary clinton doctrine. they thought this would be a major pillar of the hillary clinton foreign policy. i think she is going to run a lot more carefully given how things turned out. more important people in our politics today, and no more important topics on this, a great read in an important book. congratulations again on the book. when we come back, what life is like for one trump supporter in connecticut, which votes
♪ john: donald j. trump is expected to win the connecticut primary tomorrow. it's a well-known democratic state. we sent our filmmaker 35 miles -- 135 miles north of here to a world, in economically depressed area in the eastern part of connecticut to learn one thing, what is it like being a supporter of donald trump and connecticut these days? >> what are you hearing? birds. a nice breeze. it doesn't get much better than this. >> he lives in rural eastern connecticut.
>> what is our quality of life going to be? it's getting tougher and tougher year after year. it's all about family. my wife and i babysit our grandson four or five days a week, because my son and his wife worked those jobs to try to get even and stay ahead. >> the largest town in this area is wyndham, population 25,000. >> the population that was here cannot find jobs. >> we have high unemployment. eastern connecticut is still suffering. >> windham county has the lowest income level in connecticut. >> costs are going up but incomes are not going up. >> anything that surprised you about the people in the windham area so far? >> i am surprised how nice everyone is, that they are so welcoming, but i've only been
here minutes and already speaking on the radio. donald trump leads the republican polls in connecticut by at least 20 points. i think donald has the inside track on jobs and he knows what needs to be done. we need to go back to the constitution and rebuild this country. we have conservative values, you can see a down the street, quite world. if you go to windham, they are not as conservative. towardsld lay more kasich because he is a middle of the line guy. >> i am for bernie. he has accomplished things for time a change and has a plan. >> i think hillary will do a wonderful job. >> it doesn't feel like a political battleground. >> a lot of people don't like to wear politics on their sleeve. they are worried about being harassed. one of the things i like about donald trump and what first brought me to him is, he says what we are thinking.
he says it and i really think donald trump can go down there, shake it up and bring back a revival to washington. where i just told the rest of the town and the rest of the state, who i am interested in. peoplee are a lot of that will support me, a lot of people that will not put their ign in the yard, and honestly get three signs removed every night. i do not know if it is someone in opposition or someone that once to put the sign in their yard. john: there's not that many republicans we can remember who wins the mississippi primary and are likely to win the connecticut primary. how is it that donald trump has put himself in a position where his appeal crosses all the traditional, red state, blue state geographic divides? mark: i think he struck a cord with a lot of people with a message that does play across different geographical areas and different groups, people
frustrated with the status quo. one of the reasons i like a piece so much, is because the media often paints trump supporters as crazy and unreasonable, and like all candidates, he has some supporters that are crazy and unreasonable, but people like of hise as big a part coalition as anybody else, and that is a guy who cares about his country, cares about his family and lives in connecticut. but would not think of it as donald trump country but a state where he is likely to win resoundingly tomorrow. john: if he is the nominee, he will not win the state of connecticut, because it is a blue state. donald trump is dominant there. the frustration is ecumenical and donald trump has had a lot of appeal across different parts of the republican coalition. our thanks to griffin hammond for illustrating the very point.
one last thing before we go. our colleagues put together an interactive feature about lawsuits donald trump has been involved with over the years. we have been playing with it all day and we want to tease you out with three numbers from this feature. first, more than that's how many 1300. times donald trump and his company have either sued or been sued since 2000. the second number is 59, the number of total lawsuits he has been known to settle, even though he brags that people don't sue him. and finally, the number 42, they
have won this many cases in court compared to 19 he has lost. the feature is interactive seat can click around and look at all the losses. it is great fun. what does no man want to have, but no man want to lose? that is from batman. a lawsuit brought against him. coming up, emily chang with david kirkpatrick. tomorrow we will talk with mr. charlie black. until then, sayonara. ♪
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