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>> mark: with all due respect to donald trump's path to the nomination, sometimes it looks like an obstacle course. donald trump: air going to take me under a fence, through a field. you have no idea the routes they have planned for me to get out here. ♪ claxton we have a money show for you tonight --
>> do we have the money show for you tonight. we will get jane sanders on her husband's campaign. and ted cruz is one pence none the richer. first, all that glitters is not gold for donald trump in the golden state. the second day in a row, protesters clashed with police outside a trump event in california. they hold their primary on june 2. today, protesters delayed a speech by swarming the venue in burling game, south of san francisco, surmounting barricades and charging police officers towards the hotel where trump was scheduled to speak. that was 400 miles up the coast from costa mesa, where last night, anti-donald trump protesters coupled with trump supporters, blocked intersection, and broke the windows of a police car. at least 17 protesters were arrested. mark, we have seen violence associated with trump events in the past. given this is in california, and where we are in the race what do these incidents suggest , about what we can expect to see ahead of the california primary, and a little later in the context of the convention?
-- republican convention? mark: a lot of people in the country do not like donald trump and want to express the first amendment decision on that. law enforcement will rack up a lot of bills trying to protect order, and this spectacle and the possible violence that could occur, is going to be a reality for the trump campaign as long as he is in the race. john: yeah, it is a problem for trump. some of it is of his own making, and some of it is not. it is not all to be laid at his feet. to if you are trying reassure a lot of republicans, mainstream republicans not just so-called establishment -- we will talk more about this later in the show -- if you are trying to reassure he can win a general election and hold the party together, be the kind of nominee everyone can be proud of, not a constant font of chaos all
around you, these images, no matter who is to blame, these images just have a negative, unsettling effect on a lot of people that donald trump wants to speak to and reassure right now. mark: he says he is a unifier, and these are not symbols of unity. i think the republican party as they plan the convention, they really have to think about how cleveland is going to work. because cleveland will produce hundreds, thousands of protesters. the fact that violence could break out, even when these are not events that are pop-up events -- the authorities knew people were coming, and yet still they could not keep order. i'm not blaming the authorities. just the reality of the situation. john: here's the other thing. we had a period, and my mind is so porous i cannot remember when this was, but there was a time around super tuesday when there were a lot of these happening. -- these things happening. chicago was the most famous example. it seemed to subside for a while. this california thing is
bringing it back to the fore. again -- there's blame to go around here, right? in cleveland, viewing this in a way that seems to give , that does give protesters the legitimate right to speak while not looking like you have to impose martial law, a police state. you don't want chaos in the streets, but you also don't want guys in riot gear. they are both unsettling. mark: we spent months saying this is not hurting him in the nomination but could hurt him in , the general. we now have to start thinking in the context of the general, and these images are not great for winning a general election. indiana governor mike pence was expected to not put his finger on the scale before his state's primary. but this afternoon in an interview with local radio host greg garrison governor pence gave one of the most wishy-washy declarations of support by an
elected official in the race so far. the governor lavished as much praise on donald trump as the candidate he says he would not -- he would vote for, ted cruz. governor pence: i like and respect all three republican candidates. i particularly want to commend donald trump, who i think has given voice to the frustration of millions of working americans over the lack of progress in washington. i am also particularly grateful that donald trump has taken a strong stand for hoosier jobs. i came to the decision about who i am supporting. i am not against anybody, but i will be voting for ted cruz. i respect the rights and the views of every hoosier in making their determination in the upcoming primary election. john: as wishy-washy as that was, with just four days left
before the hoosier state votes, the polls indicate that trump is still in the lead. with this backing, can cruz win in indiana? if he does not, most people say the race is over? john: the biggest positive of this, after some days where cruz was roundly mocked for a bunch of gimmicks and gambits, seeming very desperate, from the alliance to the carly fiorina. this is normal. this was not a bad thing for him. the other things were mockable, and this is a semi-endorsement. a lot of endorsements he has gotten, like mitt romney, a lot have been like that. this was a good day for ted cruz,, in a limited sense. i do not think this will make any difference th what happens in the primary on tuesday. zero difference. mark: not such a good day?
john: better than three horrible days in a row. a terrible week. mark: it is still not clear why pence did this. john: it makes no sense. mark did he do it only for his : own politics? he faces reelection this year. or did he do it in some way because he wants to stop trump? john: he lavished praise on trump. if that really was his objective, he failed miserably. mark: what is interesting, on trump and christie went to monday, indiana and met with pence. christie knows pence well, helped him get elected. he wanted to introduce donald trump and the governor. they left the meeting with trump feeling confident he would either get the endorsement or pence will stay neutral. listen to what donald trump said on two days after the meeting. tuesday, mr. trump: the governor is a great guy. i met with him. he may not endorse. i don't think he will endorse anybody. he may endorse us. i don't know. he's a great guy.
mark: so far in his remarks in california and on twitter trump , has not said word one about this. normally if someone endorses one of his rivals, he lashes out. it will be fascinating to see if he does. this is a strange twist in trump's seeming march to consolidating support. john: we both know based on the reporting that trump, christie, and the people around trump were convinced that after that meeting, at a minimum they would succeed in holding pence neutral, and at the most optimistic they might endorse -- he might endorse donald trump. it is a very strange thing. it is really out of character for pence, because he is not normally a wishy-washy guy. mark: cruz has his back and now, there are some ads on tv. he has a limited amount of time to close the gap. later in the program, we will talk to jane sanders about the state of the democratic nomination.
♪ john: we are now about 100 hours from the indiana primary, which could solidify the status of donald trump, alien air as the , presumptive gop nominee. with that eventuality comes the most central debate of the 2016 presidential race going forward. will republicans coalesce behind the party's most controversial nominee in a generation? or will republicans with deep moral or ideological objections
to trump follow personal conscience over party loyalty? many media colleagues have been reporting out and wrestling with this subplot. we have a story on bloomberg.com quoting senator orrin hatch, who says he will do anything in his power to help donald trump in a general election. one of our pals at the washington post had a story out today quoting several republican insiders, including former republican governor of minnesota describing the shifting party the hysteria has died down, from resignation to enthusiasm." the never trump side was crystallized today by david brooks, who wrote republican leaders are "going down meekly and hoping for a quiet convention. they seem blithely unaware that this is a mccarthy moment." people will be judged by where they stood at this time. those who walk with trump will
be tainted forever after -- for the degradation of standards and the general election slaughter." mark, this is a deeply personal and complicated debate for many people, so what if anything will change the contours of the long-running tension, over whether republicans can in good conscience rally around donald trump? mark: there has never been anything like this in our careers. a guy on the doorstep of being a major nominee who faces intense and emotional criticism from people in both his party and the other party. it is on social media, cable tv, talk radio, it is intent. everyone in the country will have to learn to respect the views of others on this, because if trump is the nominee it will go all the way to november. i think what's going to happen if he wins indiana, some respected voices in the party are going to come forward and say in a calm way, this is it, get on board, he's our nominee. we have to make the best of it. it will be up to trump to see if he can unify first his country, -- his party, and then the country. this is an emotional thing.
every day i see in my twitter feed, in our offices, people are really emotional about donald trump. what he stands for and what he has done. john: so, the first thing is that i think a lot of what happens going forward will depend on how trump conducts himself going forward. you are, rightly we both agree , about this, if you are a candidate, the nominee of your party, you will be judged and should be judged and scrutinized on the basis of the entirety of your life in politics and public life. those things cannot go away. things donald trump did in the past. being a prime exponent of the birther theory against barack obama. other things he has done in the past, making him think he is racially insensitive at best and -- at worst and potentially racist -- insensitive at best and racist at worst. those will be in his history forever. comments about rapists and mexicans, things that offended women. those things will be in his history forever. mark: trump supporters need to be sensitive to how offensive tens of millions of americans find him.
they have to be sensitive to it. john: the reality is, you have things where reporters now will write things and they are subject to abuse. we are subject to abuse from both sides. abuse from trump supporters if we are critical and by trump as haters if we see anything remotely positive about trump. people come after us and say we are enabling trump, that we love trump, that we want trump to win. that is ridiculous. the truth is, trump will be judged correctly by the totality of things he has done. he can't escape his past, and things he says now are in the context of the past. however, he can conduct himself in a way that will somewhat ameliorate some of these problems if he tries to stay within what we consider the norms that should govern our political discourse related to minorities and women. if he plays better, he will ameliorate. if he continues to say things that are inflammatory, this will never get better. mark: whether he's running against bernie sanders or hillary clinton, he will be the story, the center of attention.
and his conduct will determine some of it. but i believe a lot of it is baked in. the trump supporters brook no criticism, and trump opponents look at anything he does through the filter of that he is a bigot and a racist and a horrible man, including many people in the press, who rather than being objective become virulent anti-trump advocates. i find that bizarre. john: they certainly should not do that. and people like mitt romney, they will never vote for donald trump. there are a lot of mainstream figures in the republican party who have come to the conclusion it is not morally or ideologically acceptable, no matter what he does going forward. he can make it better, but those people will still be there, and that will be the backdrop. mark: the country will have to learn to respect strong views they do not hold. john: that is a fond hope, but i don't know if it will come to pass. when we come back, jane sanders, the wife of bernie sanders, joining us, after these words
♪ mark: earlier today we wondered what the top people at bernie sanders's presidential campaign are thinking about the democratic race and the path to nomination. we decided to call in a sanders campaign expert for help. joining us now is such a person, jane sanders. thank you for joining us. jane sanders good to be here. : mark: if your husband becomes the nominee, tell us what his vision is. how would it be different from past recent democratic conventions? jane sanders: i think he would be talking about the issue
, very strongly. about laying out a progressive vision for the future. you have heard his platform, talking about accessible higher education, a national health care plan, a minimum wage of $15 an hour. he will be talking about electoral reform, so we increase our voter turnout and increase the number of people in the democratic party. he will be talking about how we need to shut the revolving door from lobbyist to corporate interest to campaign donor in the executive and legislative branches. a number of things. john: let me ask you about that. at past, recent, and historically all modern conventions, corporate lobbyists have access to suites in the convention hall and can mingle , with politicians. would you see that at a bernie sanders convention in philadelphia? or we corporate lobbyists not be weeks -- welcome. jane sanders: no, i think if bernie wins the nomination, it
would be at the convention, so there would be a lot of people already there. maybe ben and jerry will have a suite there. [laughter] john: the other day your husband was on television with mark, among others, and was asked about the vice presidential question. he said it would be great to have a woman on the ticket, and mentioned elizabeth warren as one potential person who would be a good idea. can you name any other women who could be good potential running mates for your husband? i wouldders: i think not be -- i should not answer those questions. john: you certainly should. come on. [laughter] jane sanders i talked to you : guys too much. no. [laughter] mark: there is at least a somewhat awkward situation, where, as you just said if your , husband is the nominee it will happen in july at the convention. but if it happens then, he will be on the doorstep of a general election that is pretty spirited. today secretary clinton announced state directors in
three important battleground states. is your campaign doing that? do you have planning for a general election, or will that start in july if you win? jane sanders: no, no, we are, of course very aware of what has to , happen in a general election, and we have people in place. we will see what happens. we will not move past this primary system -- primary election right now. we are focused on indiana, kentucky, oregon, california, puerto rico. we are focusing on that. but we have people in place in all the states, and that's one of the reasons. we have gone in 40 states. we have 10 more states we have to work with and make sure every single person has the right to vote for the candidate of their choice, and also express their wishes for the agenda going forward. we are meeting with people. mark: i know you don't know exactly what the clinton campaign is doing for the general election, but one of
your big talking points is you would be stronger in a general election. can you assure democrats who are worried about that that you have done as much planning, and will be just as prepared to win in a general election as hillary clinton's campaign? jane sanders we will be just as : prepared, and stronger, but in a different way. we have not run this election in the cookie-cutter way. we have not done things the same way most candidates have. we have been, as you have seen, really bringing people out and exciting them, inspiring them about moving forward, thinking differently about what a government of the people, by the people, for the people would -- could mean. we are talking about specific issues, but also talking about a broader vision for america. so when you look at every one of the polls, and i know you spend a lot of time looking at these things -- i don't spend a lot, but for the last three months it has been clear that bernie always does better against all
the republicans than secretary clinton does. the reason is because he brings -- the democratic nominee will bring out the democratic base. but bernie will also bring out a lot of independents, and he gets some of the republicans. if trump is the nominee, some of the republicans are not going to want to go there. in his senate race, he got 25% of the republican vote in vermont. the old common sense, rockribbed republicans, not the new trump republicans. john: i want to talk about taxes. a couple of comments you made. you are on this show on april 11, and you are asked about your returns.tax a couple weeks later, you were on a different network, a different program. i want to play the sound from
them here. jane sanders: let's have time to actually talk about issues. i will tell you, our taxes are done. i know you guys are going to look through them with a fine tooth comb, or if you will not then david brock is, and many other people. so don't worry about it. our taxes are being checked and will be out. but we did put out the 2014 right away. so don't worry about that. let's move on to real issues. john: i have to follow up on this question. you say your taxes will be out. the other day you suggested you will not put taxes out until hillary clinton releases speech transcripts. is that no longer the quid pro quo? jane sanders it is not a quid : pro quo. , i said it'swolf , funny, we did put out the 2014 taxes and secretary clinton did not put out her transcripts. we made as much in one year as she did in one hour. you will see that play out every year.
i just think it would be nice to do that. i have a question for you. her answer is, if she wants to stay with the standard, it should apply to absolutely everybody. the person she's running against has not given any wall street speeches for which he was paid $200,000, or even two dollars. that is this election. but have you asked the republicans if any of them have given paid speeches to wall street over the last 10 years for $200,000, and asked them to release them if they have? john: i am 100% for full disclosure on these personally. people are getting paid speeches, and if transcripts exist they should be put out. i am for that. let me be real clear about the taxes, though. you said your taxes are now with an accountant. how many years? and when will we see them? jane sanders first off, i just
: finished 2015 and i have given them some back ones to look at. when they are done -- i just drop them off today, this morning the 2015 ones. , i don't think hillary clinton has put out her 2015 either. i think they will be a little different. but you didn't answer my question. have you asked the republicans whether they have given any wall street speeches for $200,000? will they release them? john: i don't think any of them have. but just to tie this up, is releasing your tax returns contingent on secretary clinton -- jane sanders no, but i think it : would be fair. john: jane sanders, thank you. we will be back with more after this. ♪
delegates he needs for the republican nomination, some people are floating various ways that bound anti-trump delegates might try to thwart a first ballot coronation in cleveland. to see how plausible some scenarios are we called in , republican superlawyer ben ginsberg, who joins us from our washington bureau. then, good to see you. -- ben good to see you. , let's start with this first scenario, the credential challenge. is it possible that the 1,237 threshold could change if the delegation is challenged? ben: possible, but unlikely. the procedure is would be you , would file a credentials challenge, and rule 101 of convention management is to be sure as many of your opponents' delegates are subject to challenges as yours are. mark: have you seen anything in the conduct of elections that would leave them open to a successful challenge?
ben: i have not been at all the state conventions. the challenges that were successful four years ago and 12 years ago involved challenges to procedures at state conventions. mark: let's talk about the second scenario discussed in "the wall street journal," the notion people could be bound delegates but become changes objectors and say, i don't think i should vote for donald trump on the first ballot even though i am supposed to, because i don't like the process or don't think i should. any chance anyone can get away with that> if i just stand up and say, i am not voting for trump, anyway you can get away with that? ben: probably not. rule 16 will bind the delegates to reflect the votes of the preferential votes in their state. so that count should be known with a fair degree of
specificity on june 8th. there is a scenario where the convention could try to unbind all the delegates, meaning that the voices of all the voters did not count. it is possible for a convention to do something like that, but also highly unlikely. john: doesn't that beg the question, why do we have the convention? if the vote is known and nobody can switch the vote, if trump is recorded by the caucuses of having a majority, why are the delegates there? ben: the main reason for having the convention is to get all the most dedicated republicans together in one place to be able to have unity, come up with a platform. john: let me rephrase the question. why have the rollcall vote for the presidential preference? count?ntial ballot ben: the reason is more of history, to give someone from
every state the ability to do it. remember the rules call for the , vice presidential vote to be by acclamation if there is only one candidate. if there is more than one name, you have to have the rollcall, and secondly, it has the unifying purpose of letting th representative from each state give those speeches we all like to see. mark: i do like those. john: let me ask you about a third scenario, not wildly different from the one mark asked about conscientious objection. what about extension, a bound abstention, a bound delegate who says i abstain? ben: under the rules now, the secretary is required to record the vote as the delegates are bound by their state, so that will not work. but you are missing the good scenarios for messing around with this. mark: let's try this one. the no-show scenario.
decides heike pence does not want delegates from indiana to vote for trump, so they just don't show up the night of the rollcall. what happens then? ben: the rule reads the secretary is required to record the vote as it took place in the state in the preferential vote. -- in the presidential preference vote. cleveland has great shopping, but not going to work. john: we give you scenarios other people laid out and said they are implausible, but he suggested there are other ways to make mischief. what are those now? what are the ways you can mess up the first ballot? mark: even if donald trump goes in with the majority? ben: these are the lessons learned from 2012, when i was representing mitt romney.
we were worried about. number one is rule 40dne, that you have to have a majority of delegates to win. a one word amendment to the rule can achieve donald trump's goal by making it if the plurality of delegates. on the other hand, the convention rules committee can vote and say it has to be a super majority of delegates for the first ballot. that would be one place to do it. mark: is there any way the anti-trump forces could make the rule change? ben: here's what is interesting, it depends who, first of all, the delegates are, and who are the delegates on the rules committee? who will control the two delegates from each state on the rules committee, and are they willing to take a vote like that? either for plurality or supermajority? we do not know, because the delegates have by and large not been named. mark: so you could have people
in a category, someone could be a donald trump delegate, put on the rules committee, and yet is not one donald trump to be on the -- to be a nominee. ben: they are bound for the presidential vote, but not for rules issues, credential issues, platform issues, something also to talk about, or even the vice presidential vote. john: you have 30 more seconds to layout more scenarios. go. ben: you change rule 40b and make it much easier to nominate people to give floor speeches and have the regularly scheduled spontaneous demonstrations on the floor. you might send a message through the vice presidential vote. you might in effect do something with the credentials we talked about before. you can send messages on the platform as well. john: thank you for providing us with instruction on how most of these scenarios are ridiculous,
a lot of paparazzi. the cocktail receptions start around this time. there are some on the main floor, with journalists, politicians, business leaders, and celebrities. there are more parties downstairs. the president himself attends av -- the vip reception. downstairs is where the main ballroom is. guest lineup outside the room, about 2500, and everyone has to go through security. then the actual dinner starts. the president will be there, naturally, and this year so will bernie sanders. not attending, hillary clinton and donald trump. asf now. the president goes on later. thenic goes on and everyone is frozen in place until the president leaves, and then the real party starts -- the after party. ♪ john: that's what's happening tomorrow night. let's pause to reflect on a blockbuster week. here's a quick recap of all the action and drama, the twisting plot lines, double crossings, and of course absurdities of the , past five days. enjoy. ♪
mark: ted cruz and john kasich have hashed out a rare bargain to help each other stop donald trump from the nomination. >> i don't see this as any big deal, other than the fact i will not spend resources in indiana and he won't spend them in other places. so what? what is the big deal? >> in politics, you are allowed to collude. they colluded. i was happy. it shows how weak they are. it shows how pathetic they are. mark: donald trump has an achievable but difficult goal. every delegate counts, and to not be strategic would be stupid. ♪ >> they are called the acela primaries. what does that mean? >> the " accelerated primaries." >> it's called the "ace l.a." primary. acelatary.ry --
>> all signs point to another victorious evening for donald j. trump, billionaire, and hillary r. clinton, not quite billionaire. hillary clinton: thank you, pennsylvania. donald trump: when you crack 60 with three people, that's hard to do. when you crack 60 with two people, that's a massive landslide. >> i have come to the conclusion that if i am nominated to the -- to be president of the united states, that i will run on a ticket with my vice presidential nominee, carly fiorina. >> it is a desperate act of a desperate campaign. the press will say it is a negative net, it looks desperate.
i think it is a net positive. >> donald trump gave his speech in very different tone and tempo. >> it is time to shake the rest -- rust off of america's foreign policy. time to invite new voices and new visions into the fold. america first will be the major and overriding theme of my administration. >> i thought it was perfectly good, compared to a hillary clinton policy speech or george bush policy speech? >> in an interview with "the today show," trump repeated that hillary clinton would not be a viable candidate, and she would not be a candidate if she were not playing the "woman card." >> "lucifer in the flesh," the political phrase of the day, what john boehner called ted cruz. he said " i have never worked with a more miserable son of a life." >> a second day in a row of disruptive protests outside a donald trump event. >> that was not the easiest entrance i ever made. [laughter]
my wife called and said, there are helicopters following you. we went under a fence, through a fence. oh, boy. i felt like i was crossing the border, actually. mark: all in one week. up next, what do tom hanks and the gods of rock 'n roll have in common? we will show you, right after this quick break. ♪
p.m., airing its annual broadcast of the rock 'n roll hall of fame induction ceremony which took place three weeks ago at the berkeley center in my home borough, my beloved home, brooklyn. one of the most treasured privileges is to venture back stage and shoot the rehearsals. in the wake of prince's death last week and in a year when we , also lost music legends like david away, glenn frey, the inductions are a reminder that in a world where politics is so polarizing, pop culture can still create ecstatic moments of unity, community, and joy. ♪ >> here we go, guys. >> it's going to be like baby boomer nirvana here tonight. ♪
john: we are in brooklyn, new york at the berkeley center on the night of the 35th annual rock 'n roll hall of fame induction. it will be full to the rafters to hear the incredible inductees. cheap trick, steve miller band, deep purple, chicago, and nwa. >> one more. ♪ >> is it any wonder ♪ john: we are on stage, seeing one of the most awesome sites you can see. this is rick nielsen's guitar. >> it is heavy. i want pick it up because it is like the lost ark.
john: i'm here with matt, a celebrated musician on the himself. -- unto himself. >> rick nielsen has been collecting guitars way before it was cool to collect vintage guitars. when he was a kid, there was a great story where he saw jeff beck play and watched his guitar tech drop the guitar, so he reached over and gave jeff beck's tech his card. he said, ideal guitars -- i deal guitars. he came over to his house and rick sold him two les pauls. john: the other thing that is amazing is this. look at the pick? want to know how promiscuous he is with the picks? that promiscuous. i have one. ♪ ♪ >> ♪ i want to be free ♪ baby --p on rocking the
me baby ♪ >> for the first time in a long time, we have five bands that are on the road all the time, and they will play a soundtrack of 70's and 80's hits for everyone. ♪ [playing riff from "smoke on the water"] >> it is a time traveling machine. you go back to deep purple, with my brother and his friends telling me to shut up and get out of the room. chicago, the cute girls on the yearbook staff who would have nothing to do with me, they would be listening to chicago. it is not about where we are today, it is about where we
i'm looking forward to the arc, from steve miller to nwa, rock 'n roll not just as a specific genre of music, but as the evolutionary force. wait a minute. let me show you my one thing. i am proud of this. i have my executive producing laminate. john: i have a guitar pick from rick nielsen from cheap trick. that's the real thing. tom: he told me that was his favorite pick. he intimated to me he may have to come and get this from me. john tom hanks, need your pick : back? enjoy the show! [applause]
>> the question is, are we rock 'n roll? [applause] you're right, we're rock 'n roll. rock 'n roll is not an instrument, not even a style of music. rock 'n roll is a spirit. it's a spirit. it's been going since the blues, jazz, bebop, soul, r&b, rock 'n roll, heavy metal, punk rock, and yes, hip-hop. [applause] rock 'n roll is nonconformist. so the people who came before you, but creating your own path in music and in life. that is rock 'n roll, and that is us. ♪
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