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whyyll and trump are -- didn't we think of that? mr. trump goes to washington. day in d.c. --at that is how donald trump described the huddle with paul ryan and meeting on capitol hill. just in case you have not been glued to a, i will keep you a recap. the prescott there early -- press got there early. trump also spoke with mitch mcconnell and republicans in the upper chamber. they released a joint statement with paul ryan and donald trump saying they will have additional discussions and use the
opportunity to unify the p party. trump tweeted, great day in d.c., rings working out really well. reportedlyoon, trump met with james baker, one of the iconic figures, and lindsey graham of south carolina, who has been very anti-trump, reportedly had a cordial call with trump today. wallace, republican , what is anything was accomplished today with trump's visit ? >> he is obviously a rising star in the republican party. he is revered by establishment
figures, and viewed as having a bright future, but i am more intrigued by the potential political opportunity of donald trump beginning to get a toehold on matters of national security like the meetings he had with does go moreer and with the view of less is more. i think the phone call with lindsey graham is very significant. : the fact that you have the call with lindsey graham -- i will tell you, he met with senate strategists. he met with rob portman, who see is one of the most high high-stakes seats on the table. paul ryan said that trump was very gracious and personable. i think he did himself a lot of
good. what they want is someone they can trust. >> that is right. maybe this is the next part of the conversation. what is the political motivation? why is ryan so accommodating at this moment. surprised at how far he went today. he was trying to eccentric the positive -- accentuates the positive. a bunch of republicans endorsed trump in the past few days. a bunch of committee chairs. i do not think the endorsements gave ryan and you choice. he cannot be anti-trump. he has to move towards consolidating. i think he realizes now that trump can win, and he wants to have trump as a partner in governing. >> it is so interesting to me. trump and ryan are as different in policies as right and -- ryan
and clinton might be. you could go on and on. i think when you look back -- you have written books about it -- when you look back at washington, it is when people reach across the partisan divide. this may be an instance of the grab.icans doing a longer on thehey agree politics, they want hillary clinton to lose. that will be the unifying thing. despite common ground, they have differences. you mentioned some of them. what are the differences that will matter in the context of this election? which do you think cannot be papered over in the context of the campaign? >> my gut tells me foreign
policy. it is covering campaigns, the economy. i think finding some economic message that does not make paul ryan cringe every time he talks about donald trump's appetite , i trade wars, isolationism think those differences are so fundamental when you go back and look at the public paul ryan record. mark: why could trump not rewrite the tax plan? >> trump can. ryan does not have a lot of room. : i think they will have to agree to disagree on immigration. on entitlement reform, i think trump can move. him to saveconvince them for future generations, i think trump can make that switch. >> for trump come up you will
know more about his appetite for doing things that are very uncomfortable -- unpopular. his face does not want to hear they will get less when it comes to entitlement. the big thing for me is the tax reform. >> all of the said, you think that the ryan endorsement is imminent or probable? mark: i don't know how he will do it. my hunch is they don't want to make this a big deal. ease into it. .t is level -- inevitable now i don't see how he can back down. i think you will find a way to freight, i have met with donald trump, gotten to know him, and i
now comfortable with him that he will not only be a better president than hillary clinton, but someone we can work with as conservatives to change the country. trump was running with not just washington, but the republican party. after he got the nomination, he bit.d a >> i think it is likely, not imminent. i think ryan is such an intellectual force, there is an element of therapy on his part. you can see him hashing it out on the cameras. i think this is going to be harder than ryan makes it look and speak to challenges that he has. of next, a trump advisor and ryan advisor will be on the set. ♪
♪ to what extent -- what do you think of his personality? >> very good personality. genuine person. there are things we believe in as conservatives, limited government, the constitution, the proper role in the separation of powers. i think we are off to an encouraging start. it is important that we get off at full strength. it takes more than 45 minutes. mark: that was house speaker paul ryan this morning,
answering a question i asked about his meeting with donald trump. here now, in the studio, a trump advisor, and a long-term friend and advisor to the speaker. welcome. it seems like a series of successful meetings. what you know about the meeting with secretary baker? don't know much about it, but we are talking much transition and teams, and all those kinds of things. mark: what would you say besides the fact that everybody talked it up. >> a lot of people got to meet donald trump for the first time, frankly. what they will find if he has a very engaging and big personality. mark: anything that happened today that tells you, i will not stand with the bushes and mitt romney? >> no.
there were three outcomes. i'll come one would have been it was such a great meeting, paul ryan would have come out and endorsed paul ryan. number two would have then saying, no way in hell i will endorse donald trump. outcome three is what occurred saying, it was a good meeting. affectively, donald trump is on trial. for a fee highest senior elected official in the country to come out and say, i'm still not ready to endorse, but we will work together is not consequential. mark: what will come of it? >> i don't know if he will endorse. they want to see if they can get trump educated to the point where he feels comfortable that trump is actually a
conservative. i don't believe he is. i don't think a lot of people who support him think he is. what would happen dangerous if he had come out and endorsed him and trump went back to his antics, or another revision to one of his positions. any of the issues that he goes back and forth. then, to have paul out there completely embarrassed because he has endorsed this guy who is bouncing around. mark: pretend you are not here for a minute. you were a trump skeptic when with ben carson. what is the psychological profile you see? which stage? do you think that dan will be a trump endorser? >> i have been in dan's shoes. i'm not a single issue voter,
but i vote republican. mark: you compare trump to mccain? >> we were both walking in the same shoes, we did not like our nominee. mark: i get it, but -- there is not issue that donald trump has self-respecting republican can say, i have confidence. >> that is your opinion. >> can i jump in? for a lothave worked of the same people. i believe the people we worked for believed us at the time. thingss not believe the -- >> there is a complete crock up going on in the economy. has hadstern democracy
stratification. you see this in the u k, france, .ustria, poland, hungary this transcends the republican party. it transcends sovereign boundaries. it is happening all over the place. we are experiencing the symptoms torate across the board -- to nicole's point, that we have lost part of the party. the vessel for the outrage and the frustration to repair it all should be a guy that does not believe in anything. mark: what is the cost, if any, to the trump campaign to not have paul ryan right now, to not have the bushes, to not have mitt romney? is there a cost?
>> looking at the polls, frankly, not much. 41-42, the republicans are coming home. it should not sit just anyone that washington is the last place to understand that. the establishment, the last place where that will happen. nicole: i think his supporters view going to washington as a atten potential landmine. mccain had08, after the nomination locked up, he was going in 10 points over obama. taking a snapshot of these polls .s over interpreting them if trump came out today, and said, i for expanding obamacare -- not shrinking it, expanding
it. basically taking the position that hillary clinton has. if trump did that, would you be ok with that? >> no. >> how do you reconcile his flip -- >> i do not believe it is a complete slip. is all you want to hear. is he would work with congress, which both you and i know you have to do. he said he will not get the tax-cut that i want because you have to go through congress to get it. reform about entitlement , not dealing with entitlements. >> i don't want to waste time on this -- >> if you are a republican, you should address this. >> im. i want to make sure no one gets
hurt. we can do that. >> can i ask you a question. >> you have. publicly, do you think it is different than what he wants to do? >> no. i understand. when politicians run for office, words matter. he is uttering a lot of words. you are asking me to discard his words. mark: i understand, you understand. ift are your feelings about trump has a good chance to win this election? >> politics is about probability. you have to apply probability. i think he has a 30% chance? 40% chance? sure. above 50%? no. in most races you with day, above 40% -- doesn't matter, he does not have a shot.
i think the commander in chief, and wreaking havoc on the world, i think he has the potential to me,- suddenly, 30% scares it seems high. mark: what is his running mate was a respected national security figure? withwith that assure you -- would that assure you? >> people and positions are chess pieces. heembraces someone because needs them. look at how he has treated chris christie. whether they are issues or people, he picks them up and drops them. at the end of the day, he could be the commander in chief. he has to assure the voters and the country that he has the to runt and temperament the country. i don't think the running mate --
your does not change h view? i don't believe you. if bob gates were running, it would have to change your view. ,icole: i want to ask you both was there any part of paul ryan dying or crying on the inside? or was there any part of donald yoump dying on the inside -- know, either part of either of these men that you know dying on the inside today? >> i don't think so. >> paul ryan is a political leader of ideas. nicole: dying a little bit? >> seeing parts of the conservative movement full to this guy i think is difficult. he is leader of a party in trying to strike a balance. it is not easy. mark: donald trump has used paul
ryan's name as a last line at his events. will he keep doing that? him tould not expect suddenly -- he will not do that. mark: the guy he just hung out with? >> i don't think so. suddenly, they're all of these who arew conservatives very concerned about the conservative legacy. it is laughable. >> i agree with you, by the way, that it is laughable. it is a fair critique of washington republicans have not been serious about developing a real conservative agenda. the idea that donald trump is the antidote to that, who has never been engaged or advocated for conservative idea in his life? >> policies are important.
how we talk about them is even more important. that is where we have really felt. the reason we get 45% in the presidential race is because no one seems to care. mark: i want you to go back and talk more about this. thank you both. rate discussion. , the general election game plan for the super pac supporting hillary clinton. ♪
. truth -- speak the truth. looking at the way republicans have run against donald trump, what have you seen that worked -- not much -- and did not work? orignoring him did not work waiting until the last minute to not work. what did not work with having an electorate of only republican primary voters. i do think there are a number of candidatesti-trump a ran. i think the ads in particular talking about his comments around women, tagamet prisoners of war. ads. were two powerful it gives us the opportunity to test a lot of those ads.
we are think will not only for the money spent, but for them helping us as we get ready for the general. mark: is it true you will eventually run ads showing american workers who were hurt by don trump's business? >> i think there is no question that we will show a host of people that have been either hurt by donald trump or would be hurt by his policies. this is a guy that taxed hillary on trade, but brags about workers. i think you can expect us to focus on his as this record, his temperament, his character, and how he approaches national security inform policy. if you'reou believe early advertising is effective, you can eliminate his chance to win? >> i think you will have to run
ads through the end. donald trump knows no boundaries . he is not a conventional candidate and does not wage a conventional campaign. that would require us to be on our toes through election day. do it ononly television. that is why we are investing online to make sure we are unlike a lot of previous independent efforts, that will be a big part of our operation. >>'s lack of conventionality is really on display. he is out reprising his attacks on president clinton, president clinton's personal life in a very loud way. what does your research tell you about those kinds of attacks?
guest: i think you can look at the fact that 1998 was the only election in modern history where the incumbent presidents party did not lose senate seats. the way to be done on chump is not to become him and to try to -- the way to beat donald trump is not to become him and to try to lift the content of the selection, tried to lift the tone up. we have been other tests that show that the right combination of television and internet reach voters. i don't think a one-size-fits-all approach is going to work. i don't think investing 90% of your money in broad cap
television works. mark: your ratio is going to be what? probably around 60-40. : >> campaigns look at the performance of their super pac by the end of the campaign and said they didn't do what we wanted. are you going to avoid that? guy >> i think 2012 with the : exam of a super pac doing great work. the work priorities did very early on. at the end of the day the ad was the top testing ad of the cycle. our job is to tell the truth about donald trump. and we feel we are confident we have a path forward on how to do that. john: $90 million of reserved airtime. roughly what percentage of that 91 million do we spend on positive ads? guy it is still pretty early.
: maybe one quarter, one third positive. i think a lot of work the clinton campaign will do will be positive. john: but you don't make any pretenses to the notion that recorders will be negative, that doesn't indicate the tone of the campaign? guy: for us to be talking about his record, i do think it is ok for us to contrast record to tell the truth about our opponent. mark: he will never talk about his divorce. guy: we will take a look at his whole business record. in terms of personal life, that is not something we are going to do and i don't think it would work. john: i know you are not going to answer this, but where'd you think she is most vulnerable? guy: i do think there is a misconception about her record on trade.
when she was in the senate, she voted against trade agreements she thought weren't fair. one of the things we learned from the primary and the last five days is you never know what he is going to say. our job is to be as prepared as we camped to take him on. -- as we can to take them on in any particular instance. we are going to go on the air earlier. john: thank you for being here, always a pleasure. mark: we add in mark to the equation, the great mark mckinnon. ♪
you have been her and candidates of both parties. let me just ask you to look into the soul of donald trump and then hillary clinton. what is your read on how trump is kind of reading his situation now? mark: it is a classic situation where you get somewhere on your own instincts and got and everybody tries to say you have to leave, you have to pivot. you have your family saying let donald b donald. you have other people say you got to be presidential. he has that dynamic going and the reflex is to be donald trump and what brought him here, which is what we continue to do. as you have been saying, one thousand decisions he has to make in a short period of time. that is the biggest challenge, almost a logistical you have to one. get a convention up and going, get a vp pick.
this is something that clinton already has locked and loaded. they can be thinking about message and strategy, he has all this blocking and tackling. the trump campaign have been a leading arguer to say we need to bring in this. mark they can take some family. : the best thing that can happen to any candidate is lose an election. you learn more from losing then you do from winning. she understands that there are only two ways to run. which is to run scared and run a unopposed. she and the whole campaign understand you have to run like you are 10 points behind. trump is a different sort of thing to face because there is no point book. john: we talked earlier about the fact that trump is heading to cleveland.
we talked about the fact that it was an extravaganza unlike any other convention in the history of the republican convention. mark: it's super hard. i have been the republican guy with the jurisdiction of conventions. this is going to be different, we are going to get out of the box. and then just the mechanics and physics set in. it is really hard to do things differently. donald trump has a background in entertainment, understands how to do things differently. he just hired a talent agency to -- you are going to have trouble finding a list entertainment that must be featured at the republican convention. john: i like the way you looked right into the camera. what has been true so far as trump has enabled not to attract
hollywood stars, he is able to get sports figures. other figures from popular culture. there is a card that he seems to be able to play. you are not going to get hollywood liberals to be on his side, the hollywood actors and rock stars. but there is a category that he has a connection with. mark: yeah, coaches, sports figures, tom brady. there is an element celebrity -- he will bring back to the table. a lot of people were coming for the celebrity. there is an element of that to keep out trump brand. john: howard stern. mark: give me three factors. i think he will do better than clinton. give me three factors that will be as big in determining against trump.
mark: an external event, martian invasion, something unknown. mark: you think that's funny, martian invasion? mark: an economic cataclysm of some kind like what happened in 2008. in many cases we say the vp doesn't matter. i think it will make a difference. mark: what about three things they can control? mark: the most important thing they can control is the debate. this will be the most watched debate in history. people would be watching this around the globe, not just the united states. that is going to be the most important thing of this campaign by far. and they can control that. john: you wrote about some of these new lgbt laws and how a republic in runs out of those issues. it seems to me trump wins where he wins and decides to deviate
from republican orthodox. is there a way that trump's cultural liberalism as a new yorker may in a fit him with some of these generational issues. mark: i think that is one of his assets. where republicans need to be more progressive and compassionate, he is heading for the right direction. he is headed where society is headed. these laws that are happening in north carolina, for example, when we think about all of the things the republican party has trouble with strategically and what it ought to be spending its time concerned about in terms of policy, lgbt bathroom lights is -- bathroom rights is on nobody's list. nobody care is about that. and by the way, even if you had these ridiculous laws, how do you enforce that? it is not a problem and you can't enforce it. this sends the message to voters republicans have their heads in the sand.
they are stuck back in the 15th century and some of the stuff. that is a good term for trump, that he is shying away from some of those. mark: do you think other republicans have not moved on this issue because they are doing it out of principle or because they are worried about a backlash of their base? -- john: i never want to exclude the possibility that there is no principle in this. i think many cases, there was at least some element of political population. trying to bid voters because of their views on other issues. mark: will the next president support legal gay marriage? mark: they will have to.
john: you have no doubts that george w. bush would have supported gay marriage as president even though he wasn't publicly for it? mark: i think there was an evolution. mark: you said the vice president thing matters a lot. if trump said to you i can get anybody i want to say yes, who should i pick? mark: i think the latest rumor about bob corker, that is a sensible approach. john: anybody. mark: trump says magically anybody will say yes. powell.in mark: same thing for hillary clinton.
colin powell. [laughter] condoleezza rice. the interesting thing is that the conventional route to go is to shore up their weakness. geographic diversity, ethnic diversity, geological diversity. in trump's case, i think there is some value to the notion going unconventional, kind of a maverick, unconventional. i think they will put some value into looking into that for trump. mark: mark mckinnon. when we come back, a very special presentation from a friend of the show, jeff daniels.
john: a friend of the show, jeff daniels, tony award-winning star blackbird he was previously the , star of many things, including hbo's the newsroom. will mcavoy. even if you haven't seen that show you will probably see the most famous scene from its very first episode, the moment when mcavoy launches into a tirade about whether america is the greatest country in the world. we asked jeff if he was willing to reprise that seen in the context of the 2016 race. before we show you that, let's take a look at the original to refresh your memory. >> can you say in one sentence or less why -- you know what i mean. can you say why america is the greatest country in the world? >> the new york jets.
no, i'm going to hold you to an answer on that. what makes america the greatest country in the world? i'm not letting you go back to the airport without answering the question. why is america -- >> it's not the greatest country in the world, professor. that's my answer. john: that's how it starts. let's take a look at how -- let's take a look at our special updated version. >> can you say in one sentence or less -- you know what i mean. can you say why to munch on this trump is the beste case scenario for hillary clinton? >> for the first time i think an opponent will donate to her campaign. >> no, i am going to hold you to
that. what makes donald trump the best case scenario for hillary clinton? i'm not letting you go back to the airport without giving me an actual actual answer. >> he's not the best case scenario. donald trump is a fact bending loose cannon. he gets constant media attention for free. there won't be a day from now until november when trump is on every tv channel. you are going to tell me electing a woman is unprecedented? germany elected a female chancellor. denmark, poland, korea, norway, 22 sovereign states in the world have argued beat us on that. -- have already beat us on this. ok game change guy, in case you actually find yourself writing a third book, there are things you should know. and one of them is there is absolutely no evidence to
support the statement that trump is the best case scenario for hillary clinton. 38% of the people gave her a favorable rating. 37% said she is honest and trustworthy. and 22% of democrats say she is not enthusiastic about being the nominee. she beats trump in a lot of surveys. you ask what makes trump the best case scenario? i don't know what you are talking about. his tiny hands? >> we will be right back. ♪
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