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trump held a big press conference as he reached the delegates he needed to be the nominee, and yet some mainstream republicans are not behind him, like susanna martinez. governor martinez is donaldorsement that led to say "that she is not doing her job in her state." all figures siding with the governor and taking swipes at trump in the process. it is donald trump in the party? this martinez thing is a specific outburst. how big of a problem is the specific thing and how does it symbolize trumps approach to unification? .ark: he also hit jeb bush
their donors don't like that. brand ishat the trump antiestablishment, anti-career politician, and about strength. he wants people to get on board. if they don't come on board, he does not think they need them. i understand the unity project is important. he will get paul ryan, almost everyone else. john: it is hard for me to say. -- susannat a world martinez is not never trump. all she said is that she wants to wait and see what kind of nominee he will be for the people of new mexico. whicht see a world in attacking a latino governor of new mexico, a swing state, makes sense. it does not add up.
mark: i'm not saying it makes sense. what i'm saying is the trump brand -- >> is all about antagonizing latina women? mark: what i will say -- it is a state the republicans would like to win. ifk: i will just say that donald trump when he has stood up to people and attacked him, they have eventually come to heel. that's how trump rolls. that i will agree with that it is not a disaster. it trump does not care about unity. unityoes not help -- if is what he is after, this does not help. mark: our next word is please. an interview on jimmy come jimmy kimmel --
live, kimmel pass along a question to debate bernie sanders. donald trump agreed. in response, bernie sanders tweeted this. at that very long press conference in north dakota, the nominee presumptive said he would debate bernie sanders for a price. >> i would love to debate bernie. he is a dream. i said and i said last night on question washe posed and i said i would love to debate him, but i would like a lot of money to be put up for charity. maybe for women's health issues, if we can raise $10 million or $15 million for charity, which amount. an appropriate i understand the television business very well. i think it will get high ratings. it should be in a big arena somewhere and we can have a lot of fun with it. the problem with debating
bernie, he is going to lose. his system is rigged. mark: the debate will happen at someone is able to raise $10 million or more, which would -- 373,000and 73,000 donations at $27 a pop. he will have jeff weaver on -- sanders campaign manager -- to talk about where negotiations stand. if they do, who does that help? who does it hurt? john: god, please let it be so. i think it would be an incredible spectacle. some of the problems that sanders has against a debater against a strong normal debater like italy clinton would go away in this situation. he is trying to prove to people that he would be a better general election nominee, so he
would go in armed for bear. trump always goes in armed for bear. mark: i don't think it will lincoln-douglas style. i'm deeply skeptical that donald trump will do this. there is a little bit of risk and things are going well for him now. i think it be great for bernie sanders. it would be bad for hillary clinton. it would potentially be good for donald trump because he couldn't define himself and move more to the center, so maybe it will happen. the whole price tag thing, trump has said this before. thatems to be suggesting the money should come from a television network. maybe because it would be a huge spectacle and a great pregame -- i were in charge of television and i had to take $15 million out of my advertising hauled, i would make that deal in a heartbeat. i would make a deal. is theump, again, this
last day, i'll do it, and people say it is a joke, who knows. would beere is it terrible for hillary clinton if this happened. mark: i will tell you one thing. bernie sanders off of that debate would raise a lot of money. bad: another reason it is for every clinton. our next word is shakeup. last night donald trump's campaign sent out a press release that it was cutting ties with national political director rik wiley. some said he would always be a temporary hire. others say this is part of a for internal are happening in donald trump's world. or break thiske campaign, but to the extent that it reflects disarray and internal chaos, how big of a
problem is that for his candidacy? mark: i think there is some basic stuff that needs to get done in terms of fundraising, organizing states, and having professionals around is helpful. if donald trump manages the way he manages, i think if you said to me what are the five biggest names dangerous to trump winning, this is one of them. is closeng a team that and has each other's backs and knows what needs to be built, take the money in and spend it officially -- efficiently. this does not speak well of what kind of president he would be. the back fighting, the leeks, the personal attacks, it's quite something and reminiscent of a clinton campaign. john: a hillary clinton campaign. and thes a lot of chaos 1992 campaign, a lot, especially
early on, but eventually they became cohesive. the bush campaign, quite cohesive. the obama campaign, quite cohesive. you can see in some of these cases, like barack obama, who ran a tight ship and then had management trouble in the white house, but it does help you win an election when you have a small cadre of people who are united and have the confidence of the principal. take you what carries over, senior people inside and outside the campaign , criticizing,king not showing each other a lot of respect. if you have that in the white house, that is deadly. i see no indication from my reporting that donald trump has any desire or interest to tamp it down. the clinton campaign has been remarkably free. democratic presidential race in detail, clinton, sanders, that
mark: state department report on hillary clinton's use of an e-mail server is still the talk , brooklyn, usa, washington, dc, maybe some others. a report shows clinton is amongly leading trump rust belt voters who are the question of who is more trustworthy. today, clinton has been addressing with the press the report. there is one thing she said to a reporter earlier today. >> this report makes clear that
are so e-mail use was the practice for other secretaries of state, and i know that because it is well-known. ,t is pointed out in the report but it was still a mistake. i i've said many times, if could go back, i would do it differently. i know people have concerns about this. so, john, she has been doing a round of interviews and we are looking at what she has said. and herctive have she campaign been in neutralizing the effects of this report? john: she is out there answering these questions herself. if they could handle this with surrogates, they would not have hillary clinton interviews trying to answer these questions , so they feel they are not doing a strong enough job. in the end, they are doing what
they always do, i'll do skating, practicing misdirection -- off but politically, it may work. mark: i think she needs to tell the truth about what happened. she said she was cooperating with the investigation, than they did not cooperate with the ig. i respect them as professionals trying to do their job, but they're saying so many things now that his spend and not responsive to the report. wanted to focus on the fbi investigation, i mean, this is cable, but i can't say what i think about it. it is not the right thing to do. she made a mistake. she should own up to it. the latest thing is that some of the e-mails that are the most interesting that we've never seen before. e-mailsm that all the were archived, it's just wrong.
the ig report says the first three months were missing. what happened to the first three months? mark: two e-mails about the server being potentially hacked, these are problems, and i think are doing their best today, but are not going with the truth and trying to get the truth out there. of then the other side pacific today, president obama wes at the g7 summit in japan doing presidential things, but speaking to reporters, the race came up and donald trump took the bait. >> they are paying close attention to this election. thatnk it is fair to say they are surprised by the republican nominee. they are not sure how seriously to take some of his pronouncements, but they are rattled by a lot of the
,roposals he has made displaying ignorance of world affairs or a cavalier attitude. john: so donald trump as is his want responded to president obama and said rattling is not the survey bad thing. in fact, sometimes rattling the cages can be in "good thing to ." on this notion that donald trump is creating trimmers around the world, is that an argument -- trim trump's coalition will side with him over world leaders saying we don't like him, because people are not happy with the status quo of america's relations around the world. obama's approval rating a little over 50 allows him to go out there and hit donald trump.
there is no doubt that world leaders and diplomats are freaked out by the prospect of donald trump. this is one where i think donald's instincts will help him. hillary clinton will not want to i don'tis election -- think foreign leaders testifying to that is going to hurt him. main,i agree with you in but part of the argument is that to beot ready commander-in-chief, and disqualified, temperamentally unsuited the office. cameron or justin trudeau -- pointing to david cameron or justin trudeau will not win you anything. persuadable voters in the middle of the electorate, there is a sense that the whole world is freaking out about donald trump. mightt something that cause them to have doubts about
priebus and donald trump. what is going on in the heads of these two guys? >> they say they talk every day by phone. trump was very complimentary and reince previous was very deferential to donald trump. priebus have the autopsy after mitt romney's loss in 2012, which was meant to moderate the party's image. they had a different candidate in mind than donald trump. andld trump came in and one one with a distinct set of policies and attitudes and now he is the nominee, and it looks like the direction the party will go in. uniformere is the relationship between the campaign and the party regarding the convention, fundraising, strategy, is this a conventional relationship? every trump relationship is
an unconventional relationship and politics, but the one-on-one relationship between donald --mp and reince priebus trumps national political director is out of the campaign. very close to chairman reince priebus, so maybe that is a sign of discord. each other,k about very polite, very professional, and trump understands that he will need to rely on the rnc's technology, staff, etc. mark: donald trump talks a good game, he may not respect someone, but says he does. do you think he respects reince priebus? >> can i use a lifeline? mark: you just can't tell or -- >> i think he does, but he also does not want there to be any doubt about who is in charge,
and donald trump is in charge. john: i was struck by your interactions with both of them in the piece. got upset with you on multiple occasions in the course of these interviews. he seemed sensitive to some of the things you were saying and flu off the handle and away way he does not normally do. what were the things that you are challenging him on that caused him to fly off the handle? >> in order to keep up with the demographic changes, we need to broaden our appeal, women, minorities, young people, and i said you have a nominee who said barack obama is not born in america, called mexicans rapist and drug dealers, doesn't that fly in the face of what you are trying to accomplish? i think he is under a lot of pressure and does understand it is a problem for the future of the party, maybe for the president of the party, too, and didn't really appreciate the line of questioning. seem to be more t
cordial. you ask them what he envisioned for the future of the party. what did he tell you? >> there are two different directions, reince priebus's direction and donald trumps direction. donald trump said he wants to put his stamp on the republican party. it's going to be a worker's party, but he wants to get people wage increases and he has a more populist, confrontational vision of where the republican party is going than maybe the one you saw outlined in the touchy, phoebe autopsy. touchy, feelly autopsy. mark: he's kind of more thoughtful, the party, the mood of the country, what he can accomplish. you are having a thoughtful -- >> he is a very shrewd analyst.
he basically saw what was missing in the republican sales pitch and supplied it. there was a scene in the piece that takes you inside the donald trump-paul ryan meeting, where trump essentially reads ryan the riot act and says you were not try to sellents, that in an election when democrats are talking about expanding entitlements. using his political instincts kicking in and saying this is not the way to go. whether or not he can win, i don't know, but he has a shrewder diagnosis of what ails republican party than a lot of professional republicans. he wants the republican party to be the thing that people can turn to, right? >> there's so much attention paid to the insults in the feuds, but he has articulated a clear set of ideas that republican voters have rallied around. john: is he making peace with
she left the state department shall the rules she was operating under and everything that she said already, everything she could possibly say on the matter. joining us now in the wake of the democratic story is the campaign manager for bernie sanders, jeff weaver is coming i-n-i-t-i-o-n-from burlington, vermont. please give us everything you know, all of the details, secret, otherwise about the current state of the trump/sanders debate negotiations. jeff: you want me to name names as well? joe: certainly, everything you know. jeff: what i would say about this, this would be a phenomenal opportunity for the american people to see two different visions on stage together, one-on-one and let the american people decide which vision they support, donald trump's tax cuts for the rich, low wages, climate change
is a hopefully made up by the chinese or bernie sanders dealing with wealth and income inequality, health care for all and public tuition for public colleges and universities and see which prevails. mark: are there negotiations underway, if so, what are the state of them? jeff: there are behind-the-scenes talk about this happening. i think there is a division on the other side about whether it should go forward. clearly donald trump last night said that he would like to debate bernie sanders, repeated it today. we hope that does not chicken out, that he has the courage to get up on stage and stand by his positions. mark: jeff, behind the scenes talks, direct contacts between people on the sanders campaign and the trump campaign? jeff: i would say that's a yes. joe: it seems like you agree with us, it's in your interest to get this thing to happen. you're a busy man. how much time were you going to invest in trying to pull this off and when will you know if
it's real? jeff: i would hope we know pretty soon. the california primary is coming up. it would be best for the people of california to have the debate beforehand. it's a clash of ideas and substance and a real opportunity for people in california and the rest of the country. mark: your candidate famously said early on in the contest that he didn't care much about hillary clinton's darn emails. jeff: i think it was damn emails. mark: i was trying to quote paul ryan, he likes the word darn. in the wake of the i.g. report, is there anything that voters should look at that report and compare bernie sanders and hillary clinton, here is what they should know about hillary clinton based on the report? jeff: the report speaks for itself. bernie sanders is very clear he wants a campaign on the substantive issues. this process is still going on. there is an f.b.i. investigation obviously and i think what he has said and what he is standing by is we should let that process play itself
out and -- mark: the report doesn't totally speak for itself. is there something you would point democratic voters saying this is what you should take away from it or let voters read it themselves and make their own conclusions? jeff: read it for themselves. there are differences between the two to make a decision. there is a difference on minimum wage, on health care, on foreign policy, so i think there is plenty out there on which people can make a decision. if people want to read this report, they're certainly welcome to, but the process is not yet complete with respect to emails. joe: you're a voter and a citizen, right, there are two different ways of looking at this report broadly speaking. some people think it's damning and scathing and it comes down very hard on secretary clinton and raises question about her judgment as a minimum. other people, especially people in the clinton campaign, hey, look, there is nothing to see here. there is no consequences whatsoever. there is no news here and it
basically exonerates her. as a voter and a citizen of united states of america, you have read the report. what is your judgment about which of those is more broadly true? jeff: my opinion of it really doesn't matter. what matters is the people who read it themselves think. i appreciate that, too. if people want to read it, they can go ahead and make their own conclusions. this whole investigation into emails is not over with yet. i think as the senator said, we want to let the process play itself out and then people can make a decision. mark: it's clear to your posture is no longer the posture of senator sanders which is no one cares about your damn emails. voters should read this report and come to their own conclusions and important enough that you're pushing them in that direction as opposed to saying this is irrelevant and move on to other issues? jeff: you're overreading what i just said. what bernie sanders is concerned about is the substantive differences between himself and secretary clinton. if will -- there is an issue of
judgment, it's voting for the iraq war and carrying on with a hawkish foreign policy sense not learning the lessons from that war. mark: going back to the debate, are you the main point of contact with the trump campaign? jeff: i don't really want to name names. i know you would like me to name names. i haven't up to this point. the discussions are at a point where it would be helpful if names weren't discussed. colleagues bout the with your campaign and trump's. jeff: they do have a relationship. mark: is this helping make this more likely to happen? jeff: another way of you asking me to name names. mark: if there is a exists at the at high levels of the two
campaigns, it makes it more likely that negotiations could be concluded successfully? jeff: it makes it more likely that negotiations will happen. obviously at this point i really can't speak to whether they'll be successful or not. ultimately, the question is, does donald trump have the sort of courage to get on stage with bernie sanders. mark: do you think one or the other will make it more likely to happen? jeff: it's about fortitude. chickening out is not a good option. joe: let me ask you about the upcoming democratic national convention. there is a possible platform fight with respect to israel and the palestinians. you guys have put cornell west and james zogby on the platform committee as representatives. people consider that as a provocative thing to do, in the clinton camp and some democrats thinking those two guys would stir up debate and contentiousness and trouble. would you have any concerns of that ascending a signal that you are not coming to make peace, but are coming to make a fight? jeff: i don't think so.
there are a number of discussions about the platform. there may be disagreements. there will be votes on the platform committee. if there are platform points that the senator loses on the platform committee that he thinks might be better brought to the floor, that's always a possibility. joe: you don't see those two appointments, again, if someone said to you, those two individuals seem like provocative appointments, you would say what? jeff: i would say absolutely not. there is a broad range of views in the democratic party. both of those gentlemen are highly qualified to be on that platform drafting committee. there are a number of hearings around the country. the more views that are expressed and put into the platform and the platform discussion i think is better for the party. mark: 18 months ago did bernie sanders know who jimmy kimmel was? jeff: yes, he did. mark: just checking. jeff: i would say yes, it is a big night, absolutely. joe: jeff weaver thank you for
mark: hot off the presses, the purple strategy's poll, general election polling, slice polling we call it, this focusing on middle income voters in the middle rust belt, all being targeted by the trump campaign, middle class voters in these states are, duh, very key demographic for both the trump campaign and hillary clinton as they try to win 270 electoral
votes. to talk about the findings in the survey, disturb, the managing partner and he joins us from the washington bureau. let's talk about the top line number of support for trump and clinton for this middle income rust belt demo. doug: the best news for clinton is she has a lead. she is leading by seven points. what is important for the demographic, it's a true swing demographic. if you look at elections from 1992-2008, he have single election that the winner carried this group nationally and in these states where we looked where we can look at that data, the winner carried that demographic as well. right now in this key swing demographic, clinton is up, a bit of good news for her up by seven points. john: break it down a little further and look at a couple of key segments, we want to talk about white voters, female voters and independents. give us the breakdown on those.
those are pretty important groups. doug: absolutely. what we see is some real polarization here. among women, clinton is leading by double digits and among men, trump is leading. he has a slight lead among independents as well and then if you take a look at race, it's a substantial issue. we have white voters supporting him, minority voters, she has a strong double digit lead. so when you take a look at the election in a lot of ways, this group, this key swing group is mirroring a lot of the demographic differences we're seeing nationally. currently the result on the top line works in clinton's favor, but we'll see if there is some swings, particularly after recent news of the coming weeks. mark: on the day that you ran through, white, women and independents, if you were trump, what would make you the happiest about it? doug: the thing that would make me happy is that i'm leading, particularly among independents. it's obviously something that is going to be critical and within this group of swing
voters of middle income voters, he wants to be winning that group. having said that, i think he should be a little bit concerned that he is not dominating among white voters in these key rust belt states. that's wisconsin, michigan, ohio, and pennsylvania. in the end, a lot of the theory of this race is that trump can cut into either traditionally democratic constituencies or in swing constituencies in a way that can take away states that have traditionally gone democratic by cutting into those groups. this sort of brings up the point that maybe this won't be so easy and more important, he may have to build a more traditional republican coalition of evangelicals and that type of group rather than cutting into traditional democratic strong holds. john: let's talk about how the voters see trump and clinton as potential commanders in chief. there is an interesting contradiction in the data, right, that we have seen in other places about how they see who is better on foreign policy and terrorism. talk about that contradiction
and how it works to different candidates' advantage. doug: that's right. when you take a look at having right temperament to successfully execute foreign policy, clinton has an unbelievable advantage with over half supporting her, a 20-point lead, plus point lead over trump. then when you take a look at the who would be the strongest against terrorism, fighting terrorism here and abroad, trump has a lead. if you look throughout the poll, the thing that is really harming trump more than anything is his temperament, is how he behaves. that cuts through not just with foreign policy, but also on some very specific negatives. the strongest negative we tested against him was how he behaves towards women, the types of language he uses. when you put that all together, the things that make donald trump and have got him a lot of support are also the things that right now are sort of the difficulty for him and things he needs to overcome even with this key demographic that
people say are going to swing towards trump. john: doug, he is behind with this group. that's a snapshot of today. if that's the case if the strategy involves winning some number of the four important states, does the data suggest that it's within reach that's a sensible route or should he go back to more of a florida, colorado strategy that the romney folks had? doug: from a strategic perspective, even with the numbers where they are today, they can of course move, that's first. second is, i can't imagine that they would give up on states like this because if you tell people that you're not going to fight in states like this, that gives the opponent the advantage. i certainly don't think it's hopeless for trump. i think there is a lot of opportunity. one thing that was really striking in this poll, 75% of voters, it's true across party, majority across party think to improve the direction of the country, we need to have major changes in the way government does business, not just changes, but major changes,
even democrats agree with that. and trump, of course, when it comes to the change in the way washington works has a huge advantage over clinton. when you put those two things together, leaving the stylistic differences aside for a minute, trump has a major advantage that he can use moving forward. so i do think there is a lot of room for him to grow here despite trailing at that point. mark: doug, thanks very much, great poll, more slicing and dicing coming up throughout the year, when we come back, we're talking to wes anderson, republican strategist. don't forget if you're watching us in washington, d.c. and listen to us on the radio anytime on bloomberg 99.1 f.m. every day. we'll be right back. ♪
john: it's time now regarding a conversation regarding the presidential race in the republican party. i hoe you are getting the wes anderson jokes we are doing through the whole show. that was one of them. wes, thanks for coming in. you worked for governor jindal in this race, that didn't go well. wes: no. john: 30,000 feet, how surprised are you that donald trump is the nominee for the republican party? wes: if you asked me that a year ago and put money down, i would have lost that bet. i think almost every republican pollster would have. the entire thing is surprising. in the last three months, four months, not at all surprising. john: you are currently just
for the record, you are with mr. trump or are you still in the holdback category? wes: i'm going to vote for him with all of the caveats that a bunch of republicans like myself would give. john: happily or with a sense of ambivalence. wes: i'm voting against hillary clinton, a chance that a majority of the voters in the united states will do that. that's probably as enthusiastic as i can get. i still have reservations. i think there is an awful lot of voters like myself that we see in the polling that are trending truth's way. hillary's real opponent is not donald trump, it's 50%. with the exception of a handful of outliers in march, she hasn't broken 50 in any credible national surveys in almost a year. and i can't imagine that there is anything she can say or do between now and november that is going to change any significant block of voters' opinion of her.
mark: it's more dire for her because she is the incumbent party? wes: it absolutely is. john: trump hasn't broken 50 either. wes: we could come up with a laundry list a mile long of why there is no chance in the world that trump is going to win the race, except all of the national polling right now is converging in the margin of error in the mid 40's and he absolutely can win this race. one of the things we found, we recently did a large battleground survey for presidential swing states. we found that, yes, both of them are wildly upside down on image. the unfaves versus the favorables but trump more so. when you look at his unfaves, chance. there is no the this can't possibly be. the test in the battleground and he is down two points. him people will vote for
even though they don't like him. wes: people talk about how upside down they are both on image. we like to get graduation on that. we ask are you very unfavorable towards him or somewhat unfavorable, him en though they don't the hate, and most telling demographic or cross tabb in every survey from now until november will be those folks who say they are very unfaveable towards both candidates. that's about 20% in the battleground. it's who those focus are that is really interesting. these are rough numbers, it changes state to state. if you aggregate them, only about 10% of them are democrats. most of them are under 35 and most of them are sanders supporters. no, do they come home, do they hold their nose and go home, probably, but they're young. a chunk of them may just bail out. i don't know what percentage. john: you wrote a piece not long ago that argued that the much vaunted and much relied upon among democrats, demographic advantages that president obama in his last and two elections and democrats more broadly at the presidential
level has enjoyed is not insurmountable, structural disadvantaged republicans, that counters conventional wisdom. why do you think that? wes: a number of reasons, number one, president obama was the first president since modern record-keeping has existed in national elections to win re-election with fewer raw votes than he did the first time around. f.d.r.'s o go back to third race where that was the case and there were several americans overseas engaged in a little thing called world war ii. it has never really happened before since modern record-keeping has been kept. mark: it's defining. wes: what he loses -- mark: or suggests that barack obama, there was a huge turnout for him to be the american president? wes: he loses significantly while he is getting fewer votes than he did the first time around. i mean, he loses by four points which in these days in the last 20 years would be a landslide.
i'm sorry, romney loses significantly. romney loses significantly, so how is it possible that you have barack obama winning significantly while he is getting fewer votes than he did the first go-around. the answer, i think that the, on my side and the democrats side, the look, the attempt to answers all of those in demography is an attempt to excuse for what was obvious. that was that our candidate did not inspire the coalition he needed to inspire. one quick note on that, doing some corporate work in september of 2012 doing focus groups of swing voters in the suburbs of columbus, ohio, i heard two things this those focus groups that were just amazing to me of all swing voters. mark: time for one. wescally a lady said to me, so you don't like him? she said the thing excuse for w
mr. trump spoke today in bismarck, north dakota. mr. trump: we're looking for absolute competent at the tens. i expect we'll have many women involved, i have had it with many women involved and i think you're going to see that. you're going to see that very strongly. mark: mr. trump also said he is willing to debate democratic presidential candidate bernie sanders with the money raised going to charity. the house has officially begun talks for the fight against the zika virus. they left town for the memorial day recess with no progress toward a compromise. rick sneijder is looking to stop administrative investigations into how two state agencies handled flint's drinking water crisis. the move follows warnings the investigations could hurt state