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♪ mark: hello on this friday evening on the weekend that will give everybody a time to relax, and for the political world, a time to reflect. we will start with the republican party and donald trump who has been deemed to win enough delegates to be named the presumptive republican nominee, more than ever. so john, looking back at everything that has happened, let's review. how the donald trump go from the longest of shots, it to the nominee of the republican party?
john: i think one of the things that is overlooked is the extent to which he has been cagey in a cunning way and he has figured out a way to capitalize. the key components of his victory, the elements of the republican base, the elements that are populist, native, isolationist, some would say xenophobia, you could put different verbs and adjectives to it, but that face has been growing and no other candidate has been able to say, i am going at that and combining it with his skills, his able to dominate the media, that was key. the really getting what was going on in the party, at the core of it, in a way that a lot of what do not appreciate. mark: and the field was weak, much weaker than people thought. and donald trump presented change and not being a
politician. ted cruz and carly fiorina, and ben carson, who were also anti-washington, but nobody entered the race with a clearly defined brand that said, you guys do not like the direction the country is going in and he had a fingertip feel for every step of the process. remarkable, first-time candidate in a republican party would normally rewards the person who's turn it is, with the nomination. but i have been asking some republicans, turn the clock back, same field, tell every candidate the side, this is what will happen, but could anybody have stopped him? john: let me add one more thing. which is that, donald trump realized at some point, that the -- there was a greater price to pay for being perceived as a preprogrammed, pull tested politician, then it was for being offensive. and people were ready to
tolerate offensiveness, then they were to tolerate another bobblehead republican nominee, which is what a lot of them thought of mitt romney. and he said, i will take that risk or even if i tick them off, they will he get because i seem real. mark: ok, the second question, what does donald trump need to do now, between now and the convention, what is on the to do list to get ready for cleveland? john: there is still some party unification and there is money to raise. you need to start raising money and pull this together, he started doing this this weekend, getting some donors together and he faces a big deficit with clinton, so he needs to raise cash. and he needs some organization i know that he does not push a lot of emphasis on that. but they will be look at who will be the vice presidential pick, was will be a huge thing. that and the debate, they will
monitor -- they will matter more than anything. but the vp pick matters because he does not have any political background. mark: one thing he started on this week, with his energy speech on thursday in north dakota, he needs an issues matrix. for the purpose of winning the election, he needs more that tv performances. and he also talk about things like taxes, regulation, he talked about legal reform and judges, and the distinction there, he has not talked about this previously. he needs a coalition on things that the revolution party can not only unite, but when -- win. sony talk about getting rid of regulation and it talks about energy in a free market approach, those are issues that paul ryan can agree with, and also where you could potentially see a winning coalition for a party that has lost the popular
vote in the last five of the six elections. john: it is not just about issues, but by addressing the issues, he clears the bar of fitness for office, because right now he spends time just trashing people in flying off the handle and getting into twitter battles and offending people, so the more time he spends on substance, the less time he will spend on that. which is good for him. mark: and i know that people are talking to him about substance and they have been impressed that he is asking questions, but he does not know everything. he is less steeped in policy, then anybody who has ever been nominated in the modern era, because he is not been involved in public policy and the clinton people say that it is a joke, the fact he is willing to admit he does not know every about everything. a lot of voters will find it refreshing. i do not think that he will lose if he continues to go to election day and says he does
not know everything, but showing that he cares about policies and politics, that is a way to punch a ticket that he needs to punt. is this guy an acceptable president? we will be right back and we will talk about hillary clinton and what she needs to do to close the deal of her party. right after this. ♪
still fighting hard and promises to buy all the way until philadelphia, where the convention will take place at the end of july. mark, many people assume that the republican race would go on and there would be a contested convention and the democrats would have this all tied up, but the opposite has occurred. what does secretary clinton need to do over the course of the coming weeks, before philadelphia, to advance her cause? mark: her strategists are resigned to bernie sanders going on the way to the convention. there was some hope that he could be eased out of the race, they think that is not likely to happen, and they will not try. it is unfortunate, because it will be hard to unify it will make going into the convention volatile. >> they have a jaundiced view of
sanders and his personality and now they face the task of unifying the party before the end of the nomination fight and the convention, with sanders out there. what bernie sanders plans to do with his time after the primaries is a big question that the clinton people are worrying about. she needs to get the fundamentals right, there will be press attention on sanders, but like donald trump, she needs to pick a running mate that is exciting and qualified. she needs to plan a really good convention to help reintroduce herself to the american people and she needs to kick butt in the debate, particularly the first one. john: and the more immediate future, i think, winning california and new jersey would be helpful, in terms of delegates, it will not matter, she will eventually be the nominee. the popular vote, she will have the lead. superdelegates, she will have the need, but winning those will be some ball. mark: california she could use. john: and in terms of unifying the party, if she could win those two states. mark: this is asymmetrical, it
is fine if she wins. john: bottom line, as was the case for 2008, 1 of those weird situations, where the vanquished has more power to come by the party then the winner. so she will have to have some grace and dignity, try to be forthcoming with bernie sanders and respectful of his a which islishments, incredible what he has done, getting to where he has gotten to, and be as clear as possible to the voters, she needs to do all those things and handle them well. she cannot guarantee the right outcome here, it still rests with sanders, but there are things she can do to make it more likely that unity will be achieved. mark: this is where she could learn from donald trump, she is a performer, with donald trump vanquished opponents, he then spoke nicely about them. she needs to start praising bernie sanders and she will need to do more political to missing
than she normally does. john: popped right up. second question, for the show, clinton, assuming she does become the nominee, almost certain, after philadelphia, we've been talking about two fold the field, but after philadelphia -- talking about to fill the vacant, but after philadelphia what will she do? mark: it comes down to one thing. i know all of the negative comments on cap and they want to take him out, but she needs to convince people that he will be better. she has never had a clearly defined economic methods in her campaign, but she needs that, she needs to convince mainstreet america, corporate america, independent voters and young people, wow, this'll be exciting. clinton will make the economy great. john: i talked to some key architects of bill clinton's agenda after we did a segment on
how the clinton campaign did not have new ideas, or anything, but all three of them agreed with me. two of them are fans of hers and one of them of sanders, but all three of them said it was right, she has not been together the policies or the connective tissue, nor the rhetorical gloss on an agenda for the future of the american economy, where people are frustrated, anxiety ridden, staggering wages, all of that, she did not have it yet. if she can get it, she can probably put donald trump away, given the advantages that she has, but this is a missing piece. if she can do it, it will distract people from some of the weaknesses, but as a performer and on the trustworthiness issues. she needs that message. mark: can she simultaneously do
something she has never done which is hard, have the case, and continue to be an attack dog on donald trump? she is suffering to donald trump as a performer, but all of these previous presidents could push -- john: that she needed to take the burden off of her? mark: someone who can get attention, if she goes for somebody who is solid, we have seen those nominees that are lonely out there and they do not get coverage. john: i want to ask for predictions, but name a couple of people who fit the bill. mark: too soon to say. john: i try with you and i never get there. we will be right back. right here, with al hunt, and margaret from bloomberg politics, and we love just as much. ♪
♪ mark: joining us now, al and margaret. take you for joining us. we are bringing these two strong-willed people together, tell us your thoughts on where they stand and where it is headed. al: very few of us that this would go on. there are differences, they both represent something, but this is not 1968, not even carter and kennedy in 1980, said there are already efforts on their
compromises that are clearly obvious, one problem will be the democratic chair. it may be no man is an island, but she is greenland. she is unpopular with everybody. other people have jumped in, donna brazil, the vice chair of the party, talking about both sides. i think that they can work out something. i think anything they want she will give them down because 2020 is not going to happen. they need to put real electives on the platform, and if they started drive issues, it will really split the party and let bernie sanders rein them in. mark: margaret, i was struck by
reaction in the clinton camp and the feeling toward bernie sanders personally, and his refusal to then to where they think he needs to go. margaret: they cut about the head and the heart sometimes, in their hearts they are not 100% sure and they are clustered about it. -- frustrated about it. think one interesting dynamic to watch is sort of elizabeth warren, you know, there are some many questions about whether she would hurt hillary clinton or help, and with joe biden and all that stuff, last summer. she is strongly in the supportive role of whoever the nominee is and if it is hillary clinton, she will be there for her. well, sanders is in a different position and he does not want to return to the u.s. senate.
so those are factors that the hillary clinton camp is looking at. al: hillary clinton has not said bernie sander's father assassinated john f. kennedy, so there is less personal attention. i think that margaret is right about bernie sanders, he says, i am not ralph nader and i do not want to be him. what they care about is the bernie sanders brand and for it to continue and flourish, he needs to get concessions on things like the platform and secondly, he needs to be credited with energizing those democrats in the fall. john: one more second longer, i have been among those who have said, you know, you are forgetting how bitter 2008 was. the paradigm should apply here in the bernie sanders if he gets to the end, there are some accommodations reached, otherwise he endorses her wholeheartedly and helps nominate her, and they will all come together like they did in
2008. one hitch to me is not just on the platform, but the thing that causes me to revise my view, is the extent to which bernie sanders has gone, in terms of painting her as corrupt. and part of the oligarchy and trying to revolutionize. my question about that, even if he does all the right things, will it actually convince the voters that he has been arguing, telling them all year long, that she is easily almost as bad as donald trump, and actually convince them to come over with energy and conviction. margaret: i do not know -- al: i do not know about the energy, but he hates donald trump. he thinks he is an evil man and i think that he will make that case. the only senator that has endorsed bernie sanders says that he thinks most of the followers will follow, but not all, most. i think that is up to him. look, he will say that the
system is rigged. you will get rule changes for 2020, which none of us will pay attention to. and they will say, at least we unrigged the system. emotions and personalities will prevent that and we cannot be sure, but i think that all signs point to bernie sanders not wanting to be ralph nader in 2016. john: margaret, you remember 2008, there is a lot between obama and clinton, but neither one ever suggested that the other person was, again, suggesting that they were corrupt. they would say mean things about each other, but they never went that far and a lot of people that loved hillary clinton were upset by the notion that their chance to have a first woman president had been taken away by the first african-american nominee, but they did not
suspect that barack obama was part of a corrupt class, so those voters eventually came around. i have to say, i have doubt about whether these millennials will look up and just because bernie sanders says it so, throws her arms around hillary clinton. al: right. margaret: the closest comparison was not on the issue of corruption, it was on the issue of readiness, who is going to answer that phone at 3:00 a.m. and could the president handled the situation in afghanistan. they were concerned at the time that even though he was getting the nomination, it might be difficult for people to see him as ready to be commander in chief because some of the questions she had raised. and by becoming secretary of state, she addressed it later on, but even in the clinton -- even in the general election, her saying that he was ready, that made the difference. do not forget that she and bill clinton represented the core of the establishment, which is
something that barack obama wanted at the time, for legitimacy. hillary clinton, if she is the nominee, she will need bernie sanders to bring his voters along, but he does not represent the same kind of core security that spans across the party that the clintons did for barack obama. al: i am not sure that some of those young voters in particular are going to come around. i think that she will do well with female voters, i think she will do almost as well with african-american voters, but i think that young voters are a big challenge and i do not think that bernie sanders saying come by our will do it. mark: just a switch to the poll that we did. this is the purple poll, looking at the battleground states in the midwest, particularly focusing on the working class voters, middle income. the headline is, hillary clinton is ahead with those voters and a
-- donald trump will need win that group. but that about how the voters are perceived in a more personal basis, these two candidates. al: he does need to win in the rust belt states, he could carry colorado, virginia, i left -- iowa, and it still is. but one question, who or which of these two candidates, clinton or trump and that be a better role model for your children? she is not very popular, but she just laps him. and secondly, the question of who would you would like to have as a guest in your home, again, she does much better than donald trump, who does very badly,
particularly with women. people have put in for the candidate who comes across as personally appealing, but neither one meets that standard this time. right now, he is viewed as a tough, non-nonsense guy. mark: those states that polled were pennsylvania, ohio, and michigan. putting on the silver linings, do you get the sense that they are concerned about the current state of the race, but -- or are they on the path they need to be on? al: of course they are concerned about it. margaret: number one, there are problems with the general action pulling this early -- election polling this early, anything showing that donald trump is closing in. second of all, the fbi investigation with the e-mail is hanging out over her head and the latest developments this week on that parallel front with the inspector general was really not cause for celebration and the clinton campaign for the best -- put the best spin on it
that they could. it does highlight wrongdoing on her part, so these are real problems for her, to the extent donald trump is able to capitalize on the trust issues that is pervasive in state after state, that is something that she needs to try to get past. mark: thank you. the two front war for clinton continues. we will be right back. ♪ okay, ready?
the mastermind. now, givenof everything that has transpired, where it stands the trunk republican unity project? >> well, i think the unity project is still a work in progress. i like to think it's getting better. it's got it get better but i also think it disguises what is really a bigger opportunity. i think he is in a better position than many people think but fundamental, big questions in the campaign have actually shaped up better than i thought for him in terms of compared with hillary. >> he was making an enormous progress in this process of bring the party together. then he decides to go out and
beat susannah martinez up and has aroused the ire of a bunch of people who ran against him. what is going on in that man's head? this was gratuitous. there was no particular reason to attack susannah martinez, right? >> i don't know what goes on in that man's head. i'm not so sure there was a pledge, other than that's who he is. picking on the establishment is something he's been good at and it has treated him well thus far. he's not just anti-washington, he's anti-politician. whether he's achieved that, i don't know, but it does reinforce the people who like him. the people who like him aren't really worried about susannah martinez. it's the people on the fence about trump who find that so offensive. mark: tell us where you are in this? >> yeah, i'll support donald
trump. i supported chris christie. the voters have the say in deciding who is the nominee. mark: are you advising him? >> no. i continue to advise my friend, chris christie. i have no official role. mark: if he calls you over the weekend what would you suggest? >> i would like to see the unity project continuing a little bit longer. he is very much a nonpolitician agent of change at a time when she is the status quo. none of the other sidebars are going to change that much. people worry about the economy and he's a business guy. that's been a strong thing from the beginning, that he is really seen by the average voter as a fiscal effort. people could debate whether that's true or not but he's seen that way.
jonathan: another big theme has been nostalgia of a certain dark kind. they've brought up monica lewinsky, kathleen willey, even vince foster and whitewater. does that seem like a fruitful line of attack to you? is that something you would have wanted chris christie to pursue if he were the nominee? >> not so much litigating things from the past. it's not bad to bring these things up, to remind people why they don't like her but it's not going to help with what are you going to do for me the next two or four years. i think what donald trump is showing, the first thing he
showed in the debates, where he took on jeb bush in the first debates, that nothing is off limits for him. it certainly sends the clinton campaign out of bounds. they really don't know where he's going. had this within ted cruz, it would have been the very traditional red/blue map, we would have had to thread the needle, win ohio and florida and a fume other states. in that sense it's good for trump. pedro: it's pretty clear the democrats are going to go after trump in the same they do -- did on mitt romney, as a businessman. will that work? >> i think in part but trump embraces is. and i saw when i was in the field working for governor
christie, people would say, it didn't matter what the issues were, they would say, that guy's got his own plane. he's a successful guy, rich businessman. something they aspired to or at least saw as a success. for whatever reason, mitt was never as comfortable with that. trump will embrace it. mark: so if they trot out ads saying i went to trump university or whatever and i got the shaft? >> i think it will be hard for hillary clinton to paint herself as the champion of the middle class with all the paid speeches and -- one thing donald trump has proven so far is he can communicate with middle class voters in a way not many others can. he lived his life in the new york media market, giving
quotes. he's spent time on construction sites around blue collar workers. he can communicate with them that frankly a lot of us didn't give him credit for the first time. jonathan: it comes down to trump's unfavorables with important groups, right, like hispanics? to the extent it's a problem, how would you try to fix it if you were counseling him? >> it's a serious problem. demographics, we've lost the popular vote fibe out of six of the last elections. this map is fundamentally in democratic play. he has to do a better job of that and quite frankly, if it was anybody other than hillary clinton, i would say it's a major problem. but they're both wildly
unpopular. what it comes down to is elections are not referendums on donald trump. it's a choice between two. fix it or get better. aspired to get 64% of the vote. it's not going to happen here. but john mccain was very good on immigration and issues like that and he got crushed in the hispanic community. mitt romney got crushed with hispanics in places like nevada. how much worse is trump going to do? i'm not sure but i think obviously there could be some rhetorical changes that would make it better. mark: who is the favorite? >> it's just the way the states line up, some places like illinois and california are not even in play.
but he has a better chance than he did around the time of new hampshire. mark: one name, who is the smartest vice-presidential pick he could make? >> well, i think chris christie, obviously but governor corker too. mark: thanks for stopping by. up next, the author of "off script," and if you are watching us in washington, d.c., you can listen to us as well on bloomberg radio 91.1 f.m. we'll be right back. ♪
mark: we are joined now by the author of president new book, "off script." jonathan: yes. got a very complicated subtitle. mark: josh is back so we can look again at the optics of both trump and clinton eventss. we're going to start first with trump events. out in california, orange county. tell us about it. >> that's right, mark. earlier this week trump was in kentucky. it's so great to have him back in his standard setty, first in albuquerque and now in anaheim. up see your standard trump setup. a nice, curated crowd. if you thought the trump group was highly male, you see as many female faces in this crowd as male. and don't think that's by
accident. they know exactly who is going to be in the backdrop and they want this picture brought home. in the background, excellent lighting. forelighting and back lighting creates this halo effect around the trump hair and you always have to have that. if you are trump and come to the orange county convention center, you are really pleased with what happens out in the orange county convention center. jonathan: you got dana, you say it's always important to say where he is? >> alts. you want to see this for your local pride. but there was a lot of activity outside while this rally was happening. jonathan: the guy with the bow tie there, is that important semiotically? >> it is. i thought back to my days working for paul simon in
illinois. it's a paean to the bow tie. and outside, the residents of orange county took a cue from what you snaw albuquerque. protests. it's a magnet not only for the protesters -- these are trump people arguing are the cops -- and you have the lenses here so there is activity here that needs to be covered as a local story. what is politics? according to tip o'neill, it's local. as much as we would like to think everybody is watching bloomberg tonight, what people are really interested in in california is what are going to be on the sidewalks, from the "orange county register." jonathan: you would be surprised
how many orange county residents we have watching. >> and battleground orange county, that's the big story. it's the protest outside between the trump protesters and others. your eye moves down to the left. slightly above this picture here, feisty message in crowd. trump gets his message noticed but not quite as big had this protest not been outside the convention center. move down and you have "clinton tells o.c. trump is a divider, not a uniter. so this is the layout of that whole page that day. mark: she was in riverside for an event you want to talk about in more detail? >> let's look at that. she was at california riverside and she can't attract the 8,000 people at an event that donald trump can now but if you are donald trump orchestrating the
press that is coming with you, you are setting up a small pool of photographers that will be given really intimate access as she enters the center. if i'm a photographer i'm being escorted by a campaign aide and i'm right down here shooting her and i can't tell that there are only several hundred people in the arena, not several thousand. again, it's a curated image. jonathan: if hillary clinton said i need a 10,000 person rally, could they build it? or they literally couldn't match trump's crowds? >> i think they could. she's got not as many twitter or facebook followers as trump does, but she has a huge following in the creative community.
if you were to get bruce springsteen, ellen degeneres -- jonathan: but short of that, she couldn't? she needs to do this to make it look like she's got big crowds? jonathan: i want to understand this thing right here. >> john, if you're an advance man, you don't want to leave anything to chance. look at the score board. is that between u.c. and river side? no. it's hillary clinton. the numbers, 44, they're hoping she will be number 45. >> this looks to me like hillary is is running against herself and the score is tied. very confusing to me at least. >> now, so she had a terrific event at u.c. riverside but the problem she's been dogged with the last few months is she can't have the stage all to herself.
if you go to the inland island sun, the next day, she gets the front page but there is another candidate who gets top of the fold. war of worst in i.e., inland empire, but the person who gets the more real estate is bernie sanders. mark: if you are an advance person for hillary, do you look at that and say, what could we have done? get a bigger picture? >> the thing that i would do and it's hard to do it with her is give her props, make that picture more compelling, something that says you can't ignore this moment. all she had was a hand-held mic. >> josh did advance campaigning
to take a look and take us to the movies. >> it's almost summer. the air conditioned movie season. the season of super heroes and it's upon us. the ninja turtle cycle too. there are still some films that retch hand may impact the political race. first off, "money monster," a jim kramer-like tv wall street hucksters -- huckster is taken hostage by a man who lost his life savings. it will res on sate with bernie sanders supporters, whether their candidate is still the
race or not. then there is "weiner." remember anthony weiner's darkly hilarious failed attempt to run for mayor of new york city? well, there were cameras there filming everything. and this is not an image that the woman-friendly hillary camp is eager to have back in mind. and i'm going to quote the ad copy here -- trapped on the streets of washington, d.c., a senator and her security must survive for 24 hours. it's the purge, washington style. this actually sounds like a movie donald trump would
personally write in 140-character bits. and -- >> now they're making ghost busters with only women. what's going on? >> and finally, south side with you, the most overtly political movie of the year. they star as michelle and barack obama on a date before seeing the movie "do the right thing." one almost envies the first couple's ability to get away from it all by sitting down to watch a movie about themselves. >> i wonder if i can write books? >> politics? >> maybe. >> you haven't seen "weiner" yet, right? >> i have not. >> it's incredible. that one i have seen and i will say it is, it is the documentary to end all documentaries in terms be being able to -- in
every political documentary there come moments when you say gosh, i wish i was behind that door witnessing that moment. the camera is there at every one of those moments with "weiner." it's incredible. from a viewer's point of view you get to see really what it was like inside that campaign in a way that doesn't feel cheated like a lot of political documentaries you and i know. mark: i will court trouble by saying ghost busters, it's a great film but slightly overrated. jonathan: oh! mark: so far this one, everything i have seen about it makes me a little worried. jonathan: i am looking forward to it and i don't think it's a -- smart for trump to be
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