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alex: i am alex wagner. john heilemann. with all respect to abc, cbs, and bloomberg tv, if you are laughing at the idea of trump tv, can you really compete with this? ♪ some say i've got to have it some people really need it new things, new things, new things ♪ john: on a very special anniversary of this very real reality show, donald j. trump turns one-year-old as candidate.
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they grow up so fast. seems like just yesterday the billionaire was riding his gilded escalator right into the 2016 race. 365 days later, the tension between him and his party over just about anything is only growing more tense. every day brings fresh voices of republican dissension. today it came from richard armitage, deputy secretary of state under george w. bush, who told politico he will vote for hillary clinton. trump made clear in an atlanta speech yesterday he's going to travel a lonely road and told gop leaders to "be quiet," but in a weekly press conference today, paul ryan gave no indication he would hold his tongue, but kept the door slightly ajar if he was asked if he would rescind his endorsement of trump. >> i don't plan to do that. we will disagree on some things. mitt romney and i did not agree on everything. he is a different kind of candidate. this is a different kind of year.
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i'm going to be myself and speak up in defense of our principles. kasich, the governor of the state where the republican national convention will take place next month, ohio , said in an interview with "morning joe" that he might party's presented nominee despite a pledge he made to support whoever is the gop standardbearer. >> it is painful. people get divorces, you know. sometimes things come about that, that -- look, i'm sorry this has happened, but we will see where it ends. not making any final decision, but at this point i just can't do it. john: the absolutely wonderful alex wagner from "the atlantic" is here with me today. let me ask you this question. the relationship between donald trump and his party, this kind of uneasy thing that's going on, seems untenable. seems something has to give. john kasich used the word "divorce." i want you to answer, is it
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conceivable there could be a formal divorce between the republican party and donald trump, and if there was a formal divorce, what would it look like? alex: first of all, i would argue there is not a marriage. we have had a very prolonged pating, and we have a pre-nuo signed, but there has not been a marriage, which would likely take place in cleveland this summer. i don't think there will ever be a formal divorce. the closest you will see the republican establishment get to disavow trump is saying, i can't do this right now and hope people don't ask the question ever again. paul ryan left the door slightly ajar, you said. i believe the dictionary definition of "leaving the door open" to maybe, well, open. john: here's what i think about this. if entirely possible that donald trump will resend his endorsement of donald trump. i think there's no question -- that paul ryan will rescind his and rosen of donald trump. i think is no question. that's what the divorce would look like.
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starting with paul ryan, the most senior republican, announcing, sorry, i thought i could be with him, but i can't be with him. i think that they would come if we continue to see his poll numbers fall. right now, the reason the party with him to the extent that it is within, their view is that trump is not a nominee we love, but for our purposes, senate and house, for our purposes, sticking with him makes more sense. there would be more damage if we let him then if we stayed with him. if it started to be clear there would be more damage in staying with him, i think they could leave him. alex: sure. this is all about which way the wind is blowing. if it is strong enough to take down down ballot races, you will see. you will see departures. i don't know about the gristly full throated rescinding of endorsements. -- our next topic, assuming trump and the gop stay together, what does that look like? how do you make it work over the
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next six months? john: i think it looks a lot like what it looks like now, which is a lot of discomfort, a lot of people unhappy. this is why i feel, i do feel that something has to give, because it is hard to imagine six months of trump saying, he made it very clear, he doesn't care what anybody says. alex: who gives what? john: is he continues to say controversial things, it seems implausible that you could have six months of republican leaders never siding with him, never defending him, criticizing him whenever he says mcveigh find too offensive. can that really gone for six months? i guess it could. alex: if you look at, if we are going with this sort of marriage metaphor, if they are in counseling, the party that has been giving, that has been most elastic throughout this, has been the establishment, so for it to work -- john: or you could say craven. alex: well, what and when does donald trump give? john: yesterday was a really important moment in the
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campaign, precisely because donald trump stood up and said, they may not be with me, and i don't care. they should quiet down. do.ll do what i'm going to it's about as clear of a statement as you can have that he has no intention of, no intention of moderating his tone, moderating his behavior, giving, in your lexicon, in the counseling. i don't think he's going to do it. that's why i think, it is so hard to imagine the dump trump movement actually dumping him at the convention in cleveland. so hard to imagine. but there's more talk about it now among senior republicans then there has been in a long time. right now, there's a lot of discussion about what it would take, is it possible, what damage would be done if they say, forget it. alex: you would also think at some point, donald trump would have a battle plan, or a plan generally about how to engage members of his own party, and the thing we have learned in the last year is that donald trump rarely has a long-term plan. it's unclear if he has a daylong plan. this is a man whose whims and
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personal imagination largely dictate the mood of his campaign. john: look, one of the signs we days, thesee last reports about the contention between trump and the rnc. it's very clear, trump is not listening to reince priebus. reince priebus does not have his ear in any meaningful way. priebus would be the last holdout, but i keep going back to paul ryan and mitch mcconnell, who has been scolding trump regularly. mark kirk has said he will not endorse. i just think it's not impossible, if things get really bad the next few weeks, that you will see people saying, i'm sorry, i just can't do this. john: reince pubis is going to dallas with donald reince previous alex: -- ale: is going to dallas with donald trump. john: he says how we are one big happy family. how much do you believe that?
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coming up, we talk about the gun control debate brewing in washington, after these words from our sponsors.
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president obama and vice president biden went to orlando to pay respect to the families of the victims from sunday's night club shooting. -- president to send dissented from air force one with senator marco rubio. the president been made a pitch for gun restrictions and honor the lives that were lost. president obama: we can't catch
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every single deranged person who might wish to do harm. we can do something about the amount of damage that they do. john: back in washington, the fight over gun control continues. after a 15-hour filibuster staged on the senate floor yesterday. the republicans reportedly committed to vote on two gun control amendments. the amendments would expand background checks and bar suspected terrorists from purchasing firearms. rob portman of ohio, kelly andte from new hampshire, pat toomey of pennsylvania indicated willingness to compromise. alex, given that the democrats are in this unusual circumstance, where we have a presented nominee hillary will clearly make an control a big part of her campaign at the presidential level in a way that no nominee has in a long time, what do you think, what we have seen from her, how things are shifting around this week, what does this portend for down ballot races,
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senate races, house races, for the gun control debate? what effect it would have on this case? alex: we have seen an enormous amount of concerted coordination between the upper levels of the democratic party and the foot soldiers on trump, and you will see the same thing happen on guns, because as much as we say, this is a story that keeps happening, this is the umpteenth time the president has had to eulogize, this moment feels different. not just because of 2016, but because of broad frustration around the issue of gun safety reform. to answer your question, this has always been a political very, but it will be much a campaign issue in a court native fashion this -- in a coordinated fashion this year. john: hillary clinton has detected that gun control is a winning issue for her. that is a big change. the other thing that has really changed, and orlando changed it
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in a specific way, now the question of gun control is now linked to terrorism in a way it has never been before. you started with san bernardino, but this is a new thing. one does not ever want to talk about who wins or loses politically from these horrible atrocities, that in this case, if you are for gun control, being able to have the extra argument, hey, if you are against hunter -- gun control you are on the side of the terrorists, that is another card can be played. in arizona, missouri, purple states where republicans are vulnerable, a lot of the democratic senators will make this argument, putting those publicans in a difficult position if they are not going to at least make some nods towards changing the laws, at least for something like allowing people who, are on the no-fly list. alex: i think you are right to note that this conflates two issues. the other issue at conflates is
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gay rights, and the lgbt movement has proven to be a very powerful and effective, not just lobbying, but campaign and advocacy arm in american politics, and they are fired up about this issue, so it adds sort of a third triangulated dynamic to this, if you will. one that i don't think plays as well down ballot, but certainly if you talk about the national race, another reason for hillary clinton to wrap her arms around the issue and orlando in particular, that is certainly a deciding factor. john: we have all become, with good reason, skeptical to the point of cynical about the ability of the gun control debate to change, because of the power of the nra. we saw after sandy hook, there was so much effort put into gun laws, so much concerted action on the part of the president, the vice president, everybody, yet nothing happened. i do think, to go back to this first point, that this is a different moment, and it is different precisely because the scale of the atrocity is so great, the greatest mass shooting in american history, and there is this other element,
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a jujitsu thing the democrats can do because of the link to terrorism. if clinton campaigns on it like the competition of the senate or house changes, we could finally be there with some modest gun control happening. maybe not this week or a week after, but a year from now. alex: speaking of hillary clinton, she rolled out her first tv ad for the general election season, with spots on the area in eight key states. they are part of a more than $7 million buy over the next six weeks, focusing primarily on clinton's biography, especially her advocacy on behalf of children and families. here is one that takes a look at clinton's tenure as first lady decades ago. >> for hillary, it has always been about kids. when millions could not get health care, this first lady worked with republicans and democrats to work with it, reading the children's health insurance program. >> so every child gets the
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health care that child deserves to have. >> now, 8 million kids are covered. that's the kind of leader she is, and the kind of president she will be. alex: here is another ad about clinton's more recent international work. >> as secretary of state, she stood up for american values around the world, working to end the trafficking of women and girls. through the years, there have been challenges, setbacks. but for hillary, one thing has never changed. helping children has been a cause of her life. alex: clinton spent the last several weeks going after trump, arguing he is unfit to be commander-in-chief and his presidency would be dangerous to the nation's's security. but even during this time of heightened concern about terrorism, her campaign is spending serious cash on a softer message. so why is clinton going positive in this fashion, and how effective do you think it can be? john: well, the clinton campaign
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clearly believes, there's a lot of conventional wisdom out there that if hillary clinton can make this a referendum on donald trump, she wins. the clinton campaign does not believe it. they believe making a referendum is a key component, but that's not enough. it was not enough when president obama made the same thing about mitt romney four years ago. she has to provide a palatable alternative, even if they have destroyed trump, and part of this is doing that. she has high negatives. she's not very popular. if she was not running against donald trump, all we would talk about is how unpopular she is. she needs to push the positives up, so she can give people this choice, and not something make it all about trump. alex: i was surprised. when i saw it, i felt it was such a targeted message to women in particular. the focus on safety and children. i thought even moderate women. i think she thinks she can make you -- huge inroads with republican women, given trump's
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unfavorables among women. john: there is definitely anm attempt her -- an attempt here to widen the gender gap. the other thing is that donald trump's negatives are so high, it is hard to imagine them being much higher. when your unfavorables are 70%, the reason you do negative ads is to drive up the other candidate's unfavorables. because they are almost already at the theoretical limit, because there's always 30% of hard-core republicans who will vote for trump no matter what, are you going to spend millions of dollars to push up his negatives when everybody arty knows, the people who do not like him, is done, at least for now. alex: it is also a study in contrast. there is a concerted ad buy across important markets, and a message you would never see from the trunk campaign. you are struck by the contrast in campaign styles. it is hard to imagine the trunk campaign releasing -- trump
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campaign releasing an analog ad. john: virginia, $1.6 million. iowa, $1 million. big numbers in colorado, new hampshire, florida, north carolina, nevada. how much is that matched by the trump campaign? zero. zilch. this is part of what's going on here, with white trump is in so much trouble -- with wide trump is in so much trouble. his poll numbers are collapsing. this disparity could come back to haunt him, severely, by the end of this election. coming up, or from the president's trip to orlando. later, we talk to bernie sanders campaign manager jeff weaver. we will be right back. ♪
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president obama: if we are honest with ourselves, if in fact we want to show the best of our humanity, then we will all have to work together, at every level of government, across political lines, to do more to stop killers who want to terrorize us. john: welcome back. that was president obama, in remarks today in orlando, where he met with families of victims of sunday's shooting. alex, we have seen president obama in this setting so many times now. tragically, obviously. what do you think about what's going through his mind now? obviously there is a great sense of sadness, a great sense of frustration on this issue, one that he cares a lot about. when he has to do this again and again, what kind of psychic told is that take on a president? said,this president has
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the hardest day of his presidency was the day he had to meet with the families of the new town shooting. he admitted, there have been a lot of hard days in his presidency. so if you talk about the psychic toll, these are the most trying times for this president, going into the room, as he always does, to meet with the families and talk to them about their dead children, which is not a task -- the sheer number of times he has had to do it is tragic in and of itself. this moment is probably different, insofar as he's looking at the rest of his presidency, fairly resigned to the fact nothing real is likely to happen on the national level when it comes to gun safety. that is cause for not just frustration, but probably some measure of anger. john: you think about, when mark and i wrote "double down," we wrote about this moment when he was getting ready to run in 2012, talking to his senior aides, talking about the things he felt bad about, self-critical. issues he had not done enough,
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in his judgment, on in his first term. somewhere things like climate change and global warming. same-sex marriage. the other was gun-control. he was able in the second term to move the ball, or at least come to the position that he believed, on many of those issues. climate change, where he got the climate deal done. same-sex marriage, where he came around before the end of the campaign. in some ways, not only is this frustrating for him, but he will look back on this, the one issue, an issue where he is self-reproachful. he may not have been able to do anything about it, but it was a place where something he genuinely believed, he did not really campaign on in 2008, really did not try to do anything about in the first four years. obvious he that changed after sandy hook, but it is still something he regrets. alex: if you talk about the remorse, the sadness he feels,
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there's certainly that issue, but there's also the dynamic of parents who have lost their children. he was in orlando today with joe biden. it was noted by some of the press covering, there was more of this emotional contact between the president and vice president. understandably so, given that joe biden has of course lost his own sons. the: let's go quick to msnbc correspondent in orlando, covering the trip. chris, give us a sense of what this has been like. just give us a little sense of what it is like on the ground. tell: two alex's point -- point, the president spoke with the families and said that their grief is beyond description. he talked to the father of an 18 your girl, who talked about how bright her future was. for joe biden, who lost his own after very quickly,
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talking about what this has meant, he said, we are all family. they are part of the american family. he turned to the politics of it and said, many of these family members were pleading with him to get some thing done, to see that this does not happen again. you have a situation where clearly he has been frustrated, especially in the aftermath of newtown. we saw he was very emotional. very emotional that some of these legislative initiatives have died. now they are back in the forefront, in the middle of a hotly contested political season. he has six months left, and he also has high approval ratings. here is not just frustrated, but determined. clearly walking that line of a political leader today, but also consoler in chief. john: does the white house think there's really any chance that anything can move on capitol hill on this issue? or are they resigned?
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chris: i think, when you talk to them in their honest moments, they don't give it a whole lot of chance. but i will say, i spoke to the dad of one of the victims in columbine, who told me after san bernardino, you hope at some point instead of weariness, there is a q military effect -- lative effective people just saying, that is enough. john: thank you. coming up, bernie sanders's campaign manager, jeff weaver. we will be right back with that. ♪
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♪ john: tonight, bernie sanders is delivering an online video
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address to millions of supporters around the country, a speech he is calling "the political revolution continues." joining us is one of the potential grand marshals to his march to the convention in philadelphia, campaign manager jeff weaver. has it going -- how is it going? jeff: things are going great. john: can you give us a little preview of what senator sanders is likely to say tonight, other than that the little revolution continues? jeff: it is a continuation of what happened on sunday, when he met with some of his more prominent supporters and the surrogates, talking about how we move a progressive agenda forward and transform america. his presidential campaign is and always has been really about how we transform america, and not about him. i started working with him 30 years ago this month, and he was saying the same thing than that he says now, and he will be saying it, god willing, 30 years from now. how we move forward now, to
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create the kind of progressive change we need, is really the challenge, and that's what he will talk about tonight. john: understanding of that, car there tangible steps he will lay out -- are there tangible steps he will lay out? jeff: i think you will. this is an opportunity for him to talk to the millions of people who voted for him directly, unfiltered, and i think it will be a very positive and uplifting speech. i think it will be well received by the people who worked hard on this campaign and supported him. alex: alex wagner here. can you tell us a little about the meeting between senator sanders and hillary clinton, and whether anything transpired in that meeting that might move senator sanders closer towards endorsing hillary clinton? jeff: well, i think it was a very positive meeting. very cordial. of course, the two of them know each other. they served in the senate together. there was a lot of substance, a lot of talk about substantive policy issues. they are both kind of wonkish,
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frankly, and they talked about issues with a are close and other issues where they are not so close, but it focused much more on substantive policy than on process issues. there was talk about reforming the electoral process, reforming the democratic party, and making it more inclusive, broadening its base. john: one thing you have been saying, and senator sanders has been saying consistently, in the days since voting stopped in the democratic nomination fight, has been you will continue to campaign on to the convention. tell me, what does that mean? jeff: well, what it means is, look, there is a progressive agenda he laid out. the country has a lot of needs. those needs have not change just because voting has stopped. his life's work has been to advance those agenda items, dealing with income inequality, corrupt campaign finance system, getting health care to everybody, making the country a more fair and equitable place. exist, ands still
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the needs and desires of the people who supported him and the people who do support him still exist. he will continue working on that through the convention. john: does he intend to challenge her at the convention, or are you talking about continuing to advocate for the issues he has always cared about? there's a lot of vagueness in "continue my campaign to the convention." is he still trying to win the democratic nomination? jeff: you will see at the convention, we will have a unified party coming out of it. there will be a discussion about a lot of the substantive issues, including issues that separated the candidates, and this is an opportunity for those issues to be aired, and for the rank-and-file of the democratic party to address those issues. john: his address was to win the -- campaign was to win the democratic nomination. is he still campaign to win the nomination or not? jeff: he is still a candidate for the democratic nomination. alex: is the campaign making calls to superdelegates? jeff: we are not currently lobbying superdelegates. we are not. john: do you have any
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expectation you will start lobbying superdelegates? jeff: i do not anticipate that will start anytime soon. john: ok. alex: is debbie wasserman schultz going to remain head of the democratic national committee? jeff: you saw a widely reported announcement there was a new chief of staff who will be taking over day-to-day operations. that is a positive step forward. as you know, our campaign, are millions of supporters, have felt debbie wasserman schultz has not been an honest broker in this process, and she has led to more division in the party and is not in position to offer the leadership we need to bring the party together in the fall. alex: is that a yes or a no? [laughter] jeff: i don't know whether she will remain on as sort of a but thehead or not, fact day-to-day operations have been put in some deals's hands is a -- somebody else's hands is a positive sign. john: are you trying to say that
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the move means debbie wasserman schultz is no longer effective chairwoman of the democratic national committee? jeff: i just read the news coverage, so i can't tell you more than that, but it did say day-to-day operations were being turned over to somebody else. john: let me put it this way. you guys said in the past, one of the conditions for senator sanders ultimately endorsing secretary clinton is debbie wasserman schultz be removed, correct? jeff: he certainly has advocated for her removal. john: so is that, is that part is the precursor question, for removal a part of what he wants in order to eventually come around to supporting secretary clinton, yes or no? jeff: i would not draw the connection quite so directly, but he articulated the other day in his press conference, the first item he talked about was the chairwoman's leadership, and the fact that in order to bring this party together, we need leadership at the dnc that can unite the party, that is not seen as divisive, that can do
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what needs to be done to have a harmonious convention. john: so does a new chief of staff satisfy you? is that what you are saying? it's a new chief of staff is handling day-to-day operations, you don't care if she stays on r head ofular -- titula the party? jeff: we would prefer that she stepped down. i find it hard to believe that at the convention there will not be hundreds, or a couple of thousand people booing when she comes on stage, despite our efforts to make sure that doesn't happen. -- alex:the removal of is the removal of debbie wasserman schultz more or less important than the reform of the nomination process? jeff: they are all important. superdelegates are an incredibly important issue, but it is all part and parcel to transfer me the democratic party. it needs to be opened up, needs to have a grassroots focus, needs to bring in all the people that bernie sanders brought into the process, and debbie wasserman schultz is not the person to do that. john: let me put it to you this way. there are things that you guys
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are for. policy where you have differences from secto -- secretary clinton. platform, process reforms. same-day registration, open primaries, the end of superdelegates. is it fair to say, those are all things you are trying to negotiate with the clinton campaign, as some kind of package that would lead senator sanders to indoor secretary clinton? jeff-- endorse secretary clinto? jeff: those are all under discussion, both at the staff level and the other night among the candidates. so we are discussing those issues. john: but you are saying, not that they are all nonnegotiable, you are in negotiations, but it sector a clinton gives on some of those issues -- secretary clinton gives on some of those issues, that will lead to
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senator sanders endorsing secretary clinton before the convention? tour false -- true or false? jeff: i would not describe them as concessions. 12 million people voted for bernie sanders. he won 22 contests. a huge part of the democratic base supports his agenda and the reforms he wants to enact, and it is best for the party if the clinton campaign acknowledges that reality and reaches out to those voters with tangible, concrete changes that will let those people know that their voices have been heard. john: let me remove the word "concessions," going back to the original question. if you can reach a package of changes, wo not suggesting you say all of these are nonnegotiable, but if you reach an agreement on some set of changes taking place, the result of that will be senator sanders endorsing secretary clinton
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before the convention, yes or no? jeff: i would say, the party will be unified. senator sanders has always said he will support the democratic nominee. so i think after a period a conversation, with the clinton campaign and our supporters, we would like to get to a place where we could very actively support the nominee. john: and that nominee is secretary clinton, in this case? you have basically conceded. not trying to switch superdelegate votes, so basically saying secretary clinton is the percent of nominee at this point and you are trying to get to the point where you can be behind her? jeff: she has been called the presented nominee by the media. that's for sure. john: i'm asking you, jeff. jeff: i know you are. john: you are effectively saying, you are not actively campaigning against the democratic nominee anymore, no longer doing the things that would be required to making the nominee, flipping superdelegates, and you are having negotiations over things you would like her to do that
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are, you are essentially saying a price for support. is there anything i have said now that is untrue? jeff: i think it speak for itself, john. alex: how would you characterize the relationship between the two campaigns at this point? jeff: i think the relationship is very good. staff contacts have been frequent and friendly. i think we are really digging down into the weeds on a number of issues. the meeting between the senator and the secretary was very good, so i think people are working together because we understand we need to defeat donald trump in the fall. that is an imperative. john: thank you for coming on. thank you for making, i believe, a little bit of news. jeff: i don't think i makde news -- made news. i never make news. john: you also look very healthy up there. i don't know if it is a 10, or good lighting -- tan, or good lighting.
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jeff weaver. up next, the former medications director for marco rubio's campaign. they will join us to talk about donald trump and a lot of stuff, right after this word from our sponsors.
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♪ john: here with us in studio, we have a former advisor to speaker paul ryan, and the former medications director for marco rubio's campaign. great to see you two. alex: i needed another alex as a backup. john: we just talked about paul ryan on the show. the speakerhat today was leaving the door wide
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open, wide open to rescinding his endorsement about trump. is that true? >> it is safe to say a lot of republican leaders are not terribly enthusiastic about the reboot of the trunk candidacy and the trunk campaign over the last few days, so they are being reserved in how they express enthusiasm about his candidacy. whether he is leaving the door open a little bit, a lot, i'm not going to speculate, but i am not surprised by how restrained you are hearing former republicans. john: but you know the speaker pretty well. is this an option for him? >> not now. i take him at his word. he says it is not some and i plan to do or intend to do, so i don't think it is something he is contemplating. i think he's going through what a lot of republican leaders are going through, which is that they have endorsed trump and are planning to stick with trump and are concerned about his campaign, concerned about the
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down ballot collateral damage. alex: are you concerned about the damage a company doesn't might do on them? paul ryan is seen as the hope of your publican party in 2020 and beyond, and at some point does he make a personal car chelation? >> on this particular -- a personal calculation? >> on this particular point, his view is, and i'm very critical of trump, so what i say is not reflective of what he thinks, but one of the big factors is he has believed that if house republicans are divided, even if they think the things trump says are reprehensible, they will do more damage to the chances of the republicans keeping the majority if they are at war with each other over trump. john: let me ask you this. do you think republicans have finally reached the conclusion, i have heard you say, trump needs to change, needs to moderate -- have you given that up now? that is republican say,
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a lost cause. donald trump, if he is going to win, needs to create a campaign around him. he needs a message. he needs circuits to echo his message to the people -- surrogates to echo his message to the people. he has been presented nominee for six weeks, and it is troubling we have not put those steps toward putting the campaign he needs, not just to win, but even to have it be close. the trajectory is very worrying. alex: when we hear the party elders and strategists say, trump needs to build a campaign, trump needs to do this, you might as well say, trump needs to sprout wings, or do other things that will not happen given his trajectory so far. what reason is there, for hope he will make reforms in a timely fashion? >> because he wants to win. alex: do you think he believes
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he needs to change in order to win? >> we have to test that proposition. we are about to find out. if he wants to win, he needs to build a campaign, and he's not doing that as of now. right now he only has one or two communicators on the whole campaign, doing yeoman's work. i had staffers on the rubio campaign, and we were struggling. i can only imagine what his staffers are dealing with. john: no campaign organization, no fundraising, virtually no can indication with the rnc, continuing to say incredible the inflammatory things, not communicate with republican elected leaders. you have seen a version of what you are seeing now, everything he has done in this election, every part of his career, the way he communicates, he has one speed. and suddenly he will start looking and behaving presidential? i think it is wishful thinking. john: you were out front, never trump. also out front, dump trump at
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this point, doing work behind the scenes to try to stop donald trump from the nominee? >> i will say, there are a number of people who are brainstorming on whether or not we can capitalize on right now, we are at an inflection point, where right now there is genuine concern among republican elected leaders, among donors, among activists attending the directlyn, it is correlated with trump's collapsing poll numbers. -- thee is a correlation moment the nubbers drop, the tolerance goes down. whether he will get it done the next several weeks is a separate question. john: it will be about as successful as all your efforts on the never trump movement. [laughter] on.p,e
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>john: what is the percentage donald trump will be the nominee after the convention? >> i would say 80%. >> everything changes overnight. it will happen very quickly if it happens. there will be a moment where the support frame collapses, and the political universe looks different. six weeks, from here to cleveland, that's a long time in presidential politics, and a lot can change. alex: and yet you look at the numbers, and republican numbers are not where the party wants it to be, the approval numbers. are conversations happening in republican circles about november, and what happens after november to the party? >> people are still focused on november, but i'm old enough to remember 1992, one of the people running for president, self-funded billionaire, and at this point he looked very viable, and six weeks later he
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dropped out. ross perot. alex: is he an appropriate analog? >> a lot can happen between now and the convention, and even more will happen between the convention and november. the onus is on trump to prove he can put together a campaign capable of being competitive. we have not seen that evidence yet. john: we have to go. i will say right now what donald trump would say to both of you -- be quiet. [laughter] alex: better than "you are fired." >> and you are dissing the never trump effort. wagner,n, alex, alex thank you. coming up, donald trump, the man of many words, in a one-year retrospective of his candidacy. you can always listen to us on the radio. we will be right back. ♪
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♪ john: as you know, today is a huge milestone in the political world. exactly one year ago today, donald j. trump dissented and escalator in trump tower to announce his presidential campaign. between then and now, he has set things, so we decided to take a look back at trump's "huge" unforgettable year, one word at a time. ♪ mexico.p: 202. the bible. winning. beautiful. isis. deportation. molester. muslims. racist. corinthians.
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rubio! brain. punishment. crooked. crazy. pocahontas. loser. judge. congratulations. radical. john: so alex, i have a question for you. what is your one-word response to that piece? alex: you are putting on the spot to answer that? that's too many words. i would just echo trump and say "huge." that was a massive work of video art right there. she has forever changed american politics, john. in many ways, but rhetorically especially. john: so few of those words i ever thought i would hear uttered. very few of them i thought i would hear. alex: you don't need to worry about context, syntax, or subject further agreement in the post-trump world. john: we will be right back with
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a big close to the show. ♪
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john: a big thank you to alex wagner. always awesome to have you. alex: always a pleasure to be here. john: bloombergpolitics.com is the place to go for the latest news about the ongoing gun-control fight in congress. coming up on bloomberg tv, "bloomberg west." alex, from the and you, until tomorrow, we have this to say -- alex: namaste. ♪ ♪
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