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thank you. mark: we're going to talk about a trio of republicans who had to deal one way or another with donald trump, billionaire. paul ryan had a capitol hill press conference yesterday where he said he has no plans now to endorsedoor's -- to un donald trump. according to our sources, ryan's carefully chosen words were meant to keep that door ajar. when asked about trump in an interview with nbc news' chuck todd that will air in full on sunday, ryan told fellow republicans to run for the hills if they want to. todd: you think it is that house, follow your conscience. speaker ryan: the last thing i reduce tell anybody to do something that is contrary to their conscience. this is a very strange
situation. this is a very unique nominee, but i feel as a responsibility institutional he as the speaker that i should not be building some chasm in the middle of the party. the implications of the speaker passwords to chuck todd? a vote of conscience, as we typically think of it, is a vote on abortion or going to war, not supporting the nominee of your own party. he is saying is trump becomes a bridge too far, detached from him and try to save the senate. it has really stunning applications. mark: it opens the door for anybody without any fear that the speaker will be unhappy. i think it opens the door to the speaker doing the same thing, and this movement to try to
change the rules of the to stop now, try leading delegates telling them to vote their conscience, so paul ryan using those words is like a dog whistle. if you think voting for trump at the convention or supporting your in the fall is not in interest, the party's interest, or the country's interest, be my guest. margaret: that's exactly right and the convention structure is going to follow it. we are going to see a lot of pieces of this come together in the next couple of days. 's interview chuck with speaker ryan with lots more on trump will air this sunday on "meet the press." interesting to see how people react to what ryan has said. that brings us to our next big republican who had to deal with trump, at least indirectly, this week, george w. bush. "the new york times" reporting
that the former president is embattledraising for senate candidates. we are hearing that trump's pulling freefall is having a deleterious effect on the ballotal health of down candidates including a lot of senate candidates. what are the implications of dubya getting involved in this way? it is great for george w. bush because he spent a fair amount of time in exile kind of, partly of his own doing, waiting for his legacy and reputation to settle in a better way than when he left office, and this allows him to come in and potentially avenge what happened to his brother and solidify a name for himself if he is able to help these republicans who are in trouble. it does create a situation where he is appealing to the middle, to the old guard, to the center, to the establishment, but if there are enough trump supporters who are turned off by
some of these folks and do not want to vote for them, that for george w.blem bush being the cross party appeal to independent voters. ways, this could help trump, but when he speaks at these events, the symbolism create this two republican party's, the bus establishment wing and the trump wing -- the bush establishment wing and the candidates and these clearly are going to be more drawn to bush than to trump. although trump says he is fine with it, this is the kind of thing that shows more division. bush is along with mitt romney one of the most prominent people saying they will not show up at the convention, but it does get one of their biggest fundraisers back in the field and take some pressure off of trump to try to raise money off of these senate candidates.
they are all desperate to raise as much as they can. bush has been off the field for so long he still has a pretty strong network and all these states where he is trying to help these candidates. it does further these divisions. big republican who got entangled with trump this week is one of those senate republicans who is embattled. john mccain yesterday told reporters that president obama is "directly responsible" for the mass shooting in orlando because of policies that allow the rise of the islamic state. when that remark was compared by some to the rhetoric of trump and his campaign, mccain walked it back and put out a statement that said in part, "i did not mean to imply that the president was personally responsible. i was referring to president obama's national security decisions, not the president himself." that walked back did not stop the story from reverberating in arizona.
here is what the senator woke up to on local tv. >> senator john mccain is clarifying comments he made about the orlando mass shooting blaming president obama. >> senator john mccain walking that comments he made about the president and the orlando terror attack. >> editor mccain backtracking on a bold statement -- >> backpedaling on old statements he made -- backpedaling on bold statements he made. >> senator kirkpatrick saying he saw john mccain across a dangerous line in comments that undermine our commander-in-chief on national security issues. mark: what lessons can we learn about the current and future state of the party from john mccain's situation here? margaret: we have seen this before to some extent. there are some situations where john mccain is his worst enemy, and this would be one of these times. it has been awful to watch the last several weeks with the position he feels he has been forced into. -- president was hope in a
hoping he would accompany him to history it -- on his trip to vietnam, and he could not do that. john mccain, the 2008 nominee for his party, is now really in a lot of trouble, and trump has got him in a really uncomfortable position because he disagrees just instinctively with so much of what trump is help, and he cannot himself from getting halfway there sometimes. trump is dragging him down with that part of the vote. there aree's no doubt a lot of voters john mccain needs to vote for him who like trump. at the same time, john mccain says this kind of stuff all the time. not only do they need to comment on what trump says, but the press and democrats are on high alert for controversial statements, saying things that are like what trump says, in this case pretty specifically close to what trump says, and that means they are going to lose some news cycles because
when they make mistakes, they have to figure out if you walk back or apologize for like trump -- bullld through it through it. mccain will not be the last one facing those headlines. margaret: back peddling is not what you want the headline to say. mark: and mccain cannot like the headline he sees in front of him. trump clearly not getting any lifelines from the republicans we just talked about. at this point, is there anybody out there in the republican party who, if they decided they wanted to help stop this trump slide -- besides trump himself and the people working for him -- is there anybody who can turn the narrative around? margaret: the key is what you just said -- if they wanted to. there are women in the republic of hispanics in the republican party, hispanic women in the republican party and the leadership of the party, but the problem is every time they sort of make their peace with getting what he does,th
he will come out and say something like what we just saw. governors from key states, especially female governors, are probably his best bet at this point. reaching out to governors, trying to get support, thinking that they can from, in some way -- pun intended -- members of congress -- they can trump, in some way -- pun intended -- makers of congress. there was a push for people to say stop criticizing trump. this is our party. that movement, as far as i can tell, is dead. everyone is worried they will come out and say that in the next thing that will happen is he will do something they will feel the need to repudiate and they will not be in a position to be scolding other republicans for not being full throated in their support. an absolute freefall
over the last week and a half or so. mark: we agree it is unlikely, but if trump could tap any one person in the party on the shoulder and say they need to come out for handful full throated, who do you think would be the most helpful, leaving aside the fact that a lot of people do not want to? margaret: right, because paul ryan. perhapstablishment or female governors. i'm stumped. you keep hearing the name of newt gingrich. how does that reach across the bridge, reach women, reach independent voters? very tough situation. thanks very much. great to see you. when we come back, we bring in another guest host and talk more trump, trump, trump. we talked our week of dissension, data, and donors after this word from our sponsors. ♪
mark: two days ago, we used the famous three d's to catalog donald trump's travail -- dissension, data, and donors. checking in on that with nbc's katie couric, who is here to lend a hand in this block. nbc and politico both reported there is tension now between the national committee and the trump campaign. the chairman of the committee sent out this very trump-ian tw eet -- even included the exclamation point. the rnc announced haley barbour
conventionp the organization committee next month, and utah, which was one statesp's first -- worst , their governor will chair the committee. what is the state of play between the republican party and the trump campaign? is there dissension above the norm or at the norm? weet washat rhince t very interesting. didn't it sound just like donald trump? that was certainly a public showing of support from the chairman to his nominee, but we had six different sources that interior what has been reading trust between the two sides and tensions that have been building, each one thinking that the other is only out or themselves.
the rnc -- and we talked about this so many times -- encouraging and trying to get donald trump and his team to hire more people. that not happening. they still do not have a communication team in place. usually, the communication team will at least match the rnc when it comes to staffing up in battleground states, but donald trump and his team essentially just relying on the rnc to bolster them instead of finding a way to work together and to build out an effective plan. the trump campaign, for its part, we should say, denies this report, says that they have a great relationship with the rnc. mark: i think you are going to see increased tension. a lot of decisions to be made. you always see that tension between the national party and a nominee team about planning the convention, but as i understand it, there are a lot of decisions to be made, and the friction over those things is growing
pretty high as well. some people at the rnc want everything to be friendly, but as you just said, not everybody thinks it is so friendly right now. let's go to our next d, data. toional polling continues suggest donald trump is in some trouble. the presumptive republican nominee, formerly the brag or in chief when it came to his pole standing, has now taken to denouncing the polls, as he did last night in dallas. how big a problem is it for trump that he can no longer go to his rallies and talk about how he is winning? katie: we will have to see. he did say in atlanta the other night -- he talked about these phony polls, which was the day a number of really bad polls came out against him. today to maggie haberman, he admitted for, i think the first in theat he is down polls, so it is an uncharacteristic self-awareness from the candidate, which does seem to point to him actually realizing that something needs
to be done. i think that's why we sought maybe a more moderated speech from him in dallas last night, but this is an issue, and the campaign knows it is an issue, but donald trump seems to be saying that he does not believe he is going to be doing poorly know,t comes to, you august, september. remember, they feel like they are the underdogs, regardless of how they did in the primary. mark: the public polling on the horse race gets this kind of attention, but two different sets of data continue to be problematic for republicans who are worried about trump at the top of the ticket. .ne is his unfavorably rating not just overall but with some really important groups. this is an election that will the backs solely on of white men. the problem is with all the other data, and all past candidates who could afford pulling are going into the field and finding that trump is hurting them.
it is focusing the mind of mitch mcconnell, of paul ryan, and of their donors and of their political advisers who are asking if this will really be there eight, to have to deal with this problem? can trump turn it around? maybe, but they are increasingly pessimistic that he can, and if he does not, that they can survive trump having the kind of numbers that he has with the clinton as against him just beginning. finally, the donor class. trump is in texas continuing on a donor tour. he is in houston capping off a week of fundraisers if he went to georgia, north carolina, and texas, and next week he will be here in gotham city with some big names like private equity investor stephen feinberg and cowgertate magnate peter . trump seems to be doing a lot of fundraising. has he solved his donor problem? katie: he has not yet, but we are told last night from a few
sources that he was able to raise about $6 million, which is a good haul for one night in dallas. when mitt romney was there, he only raised about $3.4 million, but let's be realistic -- he does so far behind when mitt romney was back in 2012, so far behind where hillary clinton was. mitt romney was raising i think $100 million a month at one point. hillary clinton already raising tons of money right now. donald trump's campaign has a steep hill to climb. what they do have on their side the rules. in now individual donors can get about three times as much as they were able to give in 2012. $97,000 as opposed to $32,000. he only needs to rely on a smaller amount of people to give a larger amount of money. will that rule change clearly help with hard dollars. what astounds me as there are 10 of areas where trump could be raising big money where i do not see any indication that he is. they still have not designated a super pac that they consider to
be there go to, and the other is small dollars. they are going to have to do it, and if they do not, they will be leaving a lot of money on the table. the other is small dollars. bernie sanders showed you could raise a ton of money on the internet just by going on tv and asking. trump has grassroots support. people write letters. why they are not out there raising big money and bragging is beyond me because that is an area, as you suggested, right on message where they could raise a lot more. idea: the problem is the he will go out and bless a super counter to everything he said during the primary. i also think it is counter to donald trump as a businessman. he does not like to go out and ask for money in that way, but when it comes to smaller donors, i think you are absolutely right. they relied on them in the primaries. why are they not touting how much money they are making?
mark: last night, bernie sanders made a live online video address to supporters. he did not drop out of the race officially or support hillary clinton and he did not make his posture for philadelphia next much clearer. centers: the task we face in the next five months is to make sure donald trump is defeated and
defeated badly. i personally intend to begin my role in that process in a very defeating donald trump cannot be our only goal. we must continue our grassroots effort to create the america that we know we can become, and take that energy into the democratic national convention on july 25 in philadelphia, where we will have more than 1900 delegates. mark: msnbc's political correspondent casey hunt joins us as our third guest host. he has a legacy, regardless of what he ins at doing in philadelphia. let's talk first about policy. what kind of impact do you think he has had and is having? i think he clearly
demonstrated that there is an appetite in the country that millions of people wanted to come out and said or a lot of these reforms that he has been economicorward on policy. for example, minimum wage, health care, single care -- single-payer health care for all, free college tuition -- of course, these are ideas that generated ridicule from people inside the clinton campaign who said these are all type dreams. he says he does not know how to pay for it, but clearly, people were responding. the second thing i think that was a huge part of his stump speech and very motivating for a lot of these young supporters was campaign-finance reform and the of -- the ability of people to buy into his campaign in small amounts, and his argument that that was a fundamental policy change that in his view could really reshape a sickly the entire political system as it currently exists.
-- reshape basically the entire political system. i think the top line is actually on this issue of finance reform. it is a policy priority that could be addressed with legislation. he certainly wants to do that, but he proved by the campaign that he ran that it is possible to mount a presidential campaign. he outraised hillary clinton having big donors. having covered him for months, as you know, covering fundraisers is a big part typically of being out on the road with a candidate, and we never went to fundraisers hardly with ernie sanders, and i think that was a significant political change. mark: thank you very much. we will be right back. ♪
republican strategist and mitt romney's 2012 campaign manager. from packard joins us washington. great to see you. as you know, there's a fair amount of chatter about some delegates at the convention trying to overcome the obstacles to getting rules changes to keep donald trump from being the nominee. from a rules perspective, not a pr perspective, what is your sense of how possible that is? i think it is really possible because the rules that apply to this convention are actually made at this convention. everything that happens up until then is kind of a guideline more than anything. there is a real possibility, according to a lot of experts that have really paid close that thereo this really is no such thing as bound delegates, that once the delegates get there, they can vote to change the rules and
determine if they want people to be bound by what happened in their home states or not. i do think this is a process that will have to originate with delegates and not with washington. mark: the republican national committee announced that the national committeewoman from utah will head the rules committee and haley barbour will play a role at the convention managing the floor to some extent when paul ryan is not doing it. based on your knowledge, or tea you thinkng, what do of those decisions? katie: both are people that have been around for a long time, know the process, know what goes on at a convention, and i do concernede has been that a lot of the folks trump is involving our people that have not been engaged in any real way in such a long time that they did need to have some expertise and experience that is a little more current. both of those folks are people that have been involved the last
several conventions in some way, so i think it does bring, you bolster withrt of the rnc needs to keep control of the convention. i take your point that this is more likely to be effective if it is organic and grassroots from the delegates, but most republicans that i talked to say the move will not happen unless mitch mcconnell and paul ryan get behind it. if you agree with that or not, if mitch mcconnell calls you up and does, "make your best case for why i should risk going against the will of the voters and put my influence behind trying to change the rules and go against trump," what is your pitch? katie: i do think this is something that would have to be organic. maybe it would have the blessing of people like mitch mcconnell and paul ryan, but i do think it would be a bad thing for them to in any way appear as though they are leading this charge. donald trump did win these primaries, but a lot has
happened since then. usually i love being right. this is one case where i really take no pleasure in being right, but this is exactly what we predicted in the spring what donald trumpt would be a disaster for our party. he would not change. he is sort of johnny one note, only knows how to be one way, and it is proving to be disastrous for our party. if he has another couple of weeks like the last couple of weeks, the delegates and the leaders of the party are going to really start to talk in comest about what we do cleveland. ago: it was not that long hillary clinton was having some that weeks. michael dukakis was up 17 points in the summer. are you ruling out the possibility that trump could start performing better and win this? katie: the difference between donald trump and any of these other candidates is other candidates have proven to be
willing to listen to sound advice and counsel. when they have it down, they have sort of revamped their strategy and decided to go a different way. donald trump is 70 years old. i do not think he is going to his strategynge and he only knows how to campaign to a certain segment of the population and those are not the voters we need to get over the top. he clearly has supporters locked in. they are not going to go anywhere, but you have seen the very high disapproval ratings that he has. 55% of american voters this week said that they would never vote or trump. we have never seen anything like this. this is catastrophic, and if something does not change, it is going to be really devastating. likelyho are the most vice presidential nominees at this point? katie: that is a really tough thing. is on donald trump
continuing to be the nominee, even though it will be a very tough thing for our party, but i think several of the candidates that ran this year would be plausible options. certainly someone like john kasich, ted cruz, marco rubio -- these are all people that sort , second,st strong third, fourth places. any of these candidates i think would be stronger in a general election, and had they won, i would be happy to rally around any of the other candidates, but donald trump is sort of a unique bird. we have a very weak opposition in hillary clinton, the most vulnerable democratic candidate probably in several decades, and we somehow managed to nominate the one guy that could underperform her, so any of those candidates would be stronger. mark: the only way somebody is the nominee besides trump's with a fair amount of chaos and cleveland. the conversations i've had today, people talk about paul ryan, they talk about a
ryan/rubio ticket or a case of bio ticket.u voters would go crazy. is there a way for that scenario to play out in the convention is not just a huge mess and bad for the party? is something like that were to happen, of course the convention would be chaotic. the question is -- do the delegates in cleveland decide that they are willing to go down with the ship or are they going to stand up and try to event that? like i said, i do not think today that is likely to happen. i do think if there is a couple more weeks like this last week, i do think the environment could be created where people say enough is enough. the bottom line is he is better than hillary is not a compelling message for a general election, and i think people are beginning to realize that that is the only thing that they can say that in know, aresembles, you
reason -- a compelling reason for republicans to support trump . people are starting to get very frustrated with this. thoughtknow you have long and hard at various stages about what the outcome will be. given that you are pretty confident trump will be the nominee, how would you like things to play out that would be the best interest of the party in the country? katie: i do think that candidate that allow some distance between then and trump are the smart fall.ates come candidates that embrace him too closely are embracing a ticking time bomb, and in terms of doing what we can to hold onto the senate with very, very strong , providing some level of arm's-length distance so that they are not responsible for everything he says and we try to hold onto these down ballot seats, that may be the best we can hope for. thanks very much.
his reelection -- how'd john mccain has behaved in the past 48 hours? dan: a big part of the arizona republican party views him as too liberal. on the one hand, he likes to look tough against president obama, and one of the ways he does that is he takes on president obama hard on national security and foreign policy issues, and that's what he did here and i think he went too far. i think he did miss speak a little bit. i do not think he would have gone into that conversation with reporters intending to personally blame president obama for orlando, but i have heard him make variations on that same argument many times in the past, that he blames obama's policies in iraq for the rise of isis. you that hee with says stuff like that all the time, but in this case, he felt compelled to take it back. colleague, ain our
longtime mccain watcher. you have heard him stay -- say plenty of stuff about obama. why is the context different here? karl: to me, people are plenty on edge in washington over this trump thing. i think he came to a quick realization he needed to take that back. john mccain is in a tough race and will need democrats to win. he cannot rely on democrats if he is going to go trashing the president like that, so i think that was part of his calculation, and he just knew he had gone too far. he has a sense of self, and he likes to say these things and be provocative, but he also knows sometimes you have to get out of it. does how tough a contest he have against a congresswoman who has been very aggressive in criticizing mccain all across the board, including for these latest comments? dan: he has a very formidable opponent this year in
thepatrick, and i think atmosphere and the battlefield is terrible for mccain with trump at the top of the ticket. we have a late republican primary. augustmary is not until 30, so he has to watch what he says about trump until at least he gets through the primary, and then i suspect you will see mccain start to put a lot of distance between himself and trump as he proceeds on this general election, but it is a frustrating position for him. he is kind of stuck in the middle. he kind of lucked out a little in this primary. there were a couple of republican conservative likeessman that groups freedom works and the public growth are trying to push into the race, and they decided not to do so. he does have some primary opponents, but the general consensus is he probably can make it through the primary ok. that would have been a different story had an incumbent house member run against him.
he is kind of biding his time hoping to get through this next couple of months. of potentiallyng vulnerable republican senate seats, that arizona seat is one. is one.ouri seat north carolina. then there is florida where every indication i have and you do, too, that senator rubio is going to run -- i heard that senator rubio is thinking about .nnounce and denounce how does he sequence that, that he wants to not run, having embraced trump the way he did, that he needs at some point to make it clear that he is not with trump in the early phases of candidacy -- what do you think of that? carl: it is going to be really tricky for senator rubio if he does decide to do this. in some ways, as this might be because senator mccain
democrats are going to pour a ton of money into florida. that might shift some of the resources they would use against mccain, but i think senator rubio is going to have a tough time. one thing i wanted to say about senator mccain on his comments -- they fed this narrative that emma kratz are trying to create. this is not the same old john mccain you used to know, the maverick, the straight talk express. mccain has changed. i think that is really helping the democrats. a lot of senate races in this cycle to take a look at. obviously, immigration is a hot button issue in the state of arizona. as it has been perceived in the last couple of weeks that he is in trouble and national numbers are bad, what are arizona republicans saying about the
trump candidacy? i think they are pretty uneasy about trump at the top of the ticket. i think gradually, they are starting to come around. he is coming to town on saturday coinciding with a deadly heat wave that is coming to town. i think they are coming around and the argument they are making is that he is not a great conservative by any means, but he is preferable to hillary clinton. exceptions like senator jeff flake who have not endorsed him. of all the washington republicans with standing here, who do you think today is both most uneasy about trump and actively strategizing about what to do about it? i think mitch mcconnell
obviously is playing this in a pretty interesting way. he says he is supporting the nominee, but he also bashes trump. i think he is a guy to watch. he is watching this through the prism of the supreme court vacancies and his own majority. right now he thinks it is in his interest to kind of lay at the way he is and be out there saying, "i'm ok with trump." as soon as he decides it's not in his interest, he is going to not be ok with trump and cut his incumbents lose. paul ryan is having a heck of a time with this. he has a different set of imperatives than mcconnell does, but i've got my eye on mitch mcconnell. mark: i do, too. if the trend keeps going on these senate races the way it is, i think mcconnell is going to have to come up with a new strategy. it may not mean try to stop
trump at the convention, but it does mean come up with a new strategy of how his incumbents talk about trump. was quoted earlier this year saying they would drop him like a hot rock, and i know they would. he is not going to sit by and easily lose the majority. i think they have real problems hanging onto their majority, but he will make a move if he has to. you are a great student of john mccain body language. do you think he is scared about losing this race or just being cautious? legitimatelyhe is worried, but you are right, he always runs like he could lose. that may wind up saving mccain in the end, the fact that he took this serious from the start . of candidatend skills does congresswoman kirkpatrick have? dan: she is not very well-known statewide.
she represents a very rural district, several indian communities in her district, so she has to get herself known a little more in maricopa county where most of the voters are, she is a three-term house member. in 2010 and has been reelected two more times since then. she supported the afford of a care act, which is a mccain issue. that is what mccain is after her on and she is after him on building the fence. something mccain has a big enough brand on his own to overcome this. but everyone knows this is going to be john mccain's toughest race. some people think arizona is in play. that will not be good for him. he is going to have to keep his composure, though, i think, and he recognizes that. mark: easier said than done when
then twitter says slowdown. sayingever tell if he is league."r "big backu hit me, i'll hit you bigly. >> people on tv also disagree. the world may never know. mark: it is true we may never know, but let's turn now to our ig-league decision desk. what are you finding? >> the overwhelming evidence supports the bigly conclusion. trump has not said the league. you would hear the g at the end of that with a case.
trump: absolutely, there is an assault on christianity, and we are going to reverse that trend bigly. >> i did not hear ag at the end at all. .> clearly, big league trump has a well-known habit of dropping his g's. ted.ask lyin' mark: what is the campaign saying on the record about this? league.g it is big >> you're going to take her word for it? she says the rnc has a great relationship the trump campaign. mark: the debate continues. we'll stay on it and bring you the latest throughout the program. we will be right back. ♪
mark: thanks to our trio of cohost today. .comk out bloombergpolitics for a story on companies opting out of the convention. this having an effect on democrats as well. talking about the intersection of terrorism and ,ocial media -- a timely topic as they say. thanks for watching. we will be back here next week, channel.time, same bat until monday, sayonara. ♪
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