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♪ >> welcome to this new edition of the best of "with all due respect." this week, the nation was focused on the fallout from the attack in orlando. it has run new the debate over guns in america. we begin with how both as a presumptive nominees reacted to the tragedy. the orlando terrorists may be dead, but the virus that poisoned his mind remains very much alive. donald trump: it is an assault on the ability of free people to live their lives, love who they
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want, and express their identity. hillary clinton: the attack in orlando makes it even more clear. we cannot contain this threat. we must defeat it. donald trump: when i am elected, i will suspend immigration from areas of the world where there is a proven history of terrorism against the united states, europe, or our allies. hillary clinton: inflammatory, anti-muslim rhetoric and threatening to ban the families and friends of muslim americans , as well as millions of muslim business people and tourists from entering our country hurts the vast majority of muslims who love freedom and hate terror. donald trump: hillary clinton, for months and despite so many attacks, repeatedly refused to even say the words "radical islam." until i challenged her yesterday , and guess what. she will probably say them. she sort of has said them. but let's see what happens.
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hillary clinton: we have to stem the flow of jihadists to america from europe -- from europe and america to syria, iran, iraq, and back again. donald trump: we need to tell the truth about radical islam. we need to do it now. hillary clinton: if the fbi is watching you for suspected terrorist links, you should not be able to just go buy a gun with no questions asked. donald trump: her plan is to disarm law-abiding americans, abolishing the second amendment, and leaving only the bad guys and terrorists with guns. no good. not going to happen, folks. not going to happen. hillary clinton: to all the lgbt people grieving today in florida and across our country, you have millions of allies who will always have your back. [applause] and i am one of them. donald trump: ask yourself who is really the friend of women
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and the lgbt community? donald trump with actions, or hillary clinton with her words? i will tell you who the better friend is. and someday, i believe that will be proven out bigley. john: so big speeches. and other media appearances by the presumptive nominees today. how do you think the tragedy in orlando will impact the race? mark: we both said that if there's an event like this, it will elevate national security, maybe even on a par with the economy as a test for these candidates. i thought hillary clinton and her team, executed, in the text of the speech, being both tough and optimistic and in terms of the semiotics of the event , i think they executed pretty close to flawless. she is in a different zone now
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in terms of communication. she is showing a lot of confidence. i thought donald trump gave for he has on offer. to be a different kind of commander-in-chief. to shake things up. when he talked about banning immigration from countries that have been problematic as opposed to a muslim ban, you see him simultaneously grappling with how to seem tough but also perhaps trying to change some of the policies that have bothered people even within his own party. onn: i want to just focus trump to start with. hillary clinton basically articulated what has people see in her policy, with bells and whistles. donald trump went further. you're saying he's trying to move away from being a religious test, to broaden it and say should be focused on terrorist ties. however, in some sense he's , basically adding to the muslim ban. he has not actually taken that off the table. he is gone further. it is going to be a bigger
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target for democrats. it will be a bigger target for republicans who are worried about him. i don't think he did a lot, even with the teleprompter, to ease that their concerns. he said a bunch of things that were not true. suggesting that the shooter was afghani, as opposed to being born in the united states. casting a very broad net over the entire muslim american community, saying they know when they're bad people in their midst, and they are basically bad for failing to turn those people in. i thought donald trump gave people what he has given them. the big, tough approach. but i don't think he did a lot today in that speech -- and we could talk about morning television, which is worst -- but in that speech today to reassure republicans who were worried about him as commander in chief to make them feel reassured. mark: secretary clinton and her team are confident in their bones that eliminating donald
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trump is an acceptable alternative on his economy and his business dealings, etc. will be possible. that is absolutely possible and will be most decisive in doing it on national security. they will look at their performance and say she performed as a steady leader and he performed as a hothead. there are a lot of americans, though, who will look at her record and the record of the last eight years and say, he may be a hothead, but that is what we need. we may be underestimating the extent to which trump's performance has broad appeal. but they are so confident that her performance today is a winning performance against her issues against him. john: let's be clear. the biggest weakness that she has in terms of her stature, her resume, her ability to step up and indicate in ways that seem to make her a credible commander in chief -- she is now playing at a very high level.
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she has room to grow. but the biggest weakness is her record. donald trump will be able to headway by yielding the -- y olking the obama record with her. and say the country is not safer. that things are getting worse. there is a bad trend line here. the obama policies abroad and at home have not helped us with this threat and made us safer. she is going to have to deal with that. the history that she has of being part of the obama demonstration foreign policy a national security team. she is going to have to deal with that. trump can make some headway on that front. but there's an awful lot about what he is saying that will still make a lot of republicans nervous and a lot of democrats giddy. when we come back, our bloomberg politics national poll about where voters stand and the issues they care about most. ♪
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♪ policy debates over homeland
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security the political world has been transfixed on how the candidates are saying. first, here's what the voters think. or lease a window into that. we have a new national bloomberg politics poll. it shows hillary clinton leading donald trump by double digits in a head-to-head general election matchup. this poll was conducted from friday to monday. this shooting in orlando occurred while he was in the field, making it the first major telephone survey conducted since the attack. we added a few questions related to the challenging -- to the tragedy, including one that asked voters which candidate they think would handle best events like those in orlando. trump, 41 percent said
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clinton. what do you think and what do you find most striking about these numbers? the survey shows what a lot of democrats and republicans have been saying privately, which is in the run up to orlando, based on the last 10 days or so, hillary clinton showing herself at her best and donald trump is struggling with all but his core supporters. say those numbers are her ceiling and his floor, and republicans hope that is not the case, but that is a spread that is about as wide as you can imagine, with her edging towards 50%. our coal -- our poll will confirm what a lot of private data has said and what republicans are afraid of, which is trump may be pretty far behind in this race as a snap shot of where we are now. john: essentially, this poll takes into full account donald trump's problems.
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the problems he made for himself by making those racist comments about judge curiel and a after day of negative news coverage from doing so. the firstcludes polling since orlando. so that is the timing -- the: it also includes coming together of the democratic party with president obama coming in behind hillary clinton, along with joe, the first lady, and elizabeth warren. struggling,has been lynton is working towards unity. does not one thing it include is the full unity of the democratic party yet. because bernie sanders has not yet endorsed hillary clinton. so there is still some part of the democratic party that is not on the clinton bandwagon. she will probably benefit in her polling numbers when that
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eventuality occurs. she will get more good news and t in the polling when that occurs. the horse race is still ugly. it is striking, in terms of our host orlando questions, that more voters say they think donald trump would be a good commander and situation such as this. trump still has a few percentage points in the lead. it is in the margin of error. is consistent with some things we have seen in past polling. shooting, donald trump has been talking and tweeting quite a bit. one thing he has been stressing is the fact that president obama and hillary clinton are, he says, wrong for not using the words "radical islamic terrorism " for describing the motives and basics -- basis of this attack. yesterday, trump said he
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suspected clinton may give in and start using the phrase paper at a campaign event in pittsburgh today, clinton showed no signs she will back down on that. hillary clinton: i have clearly said that we faced terrorist enemies who use a perverted version of islam to justify slaughtering innocent people. -- and we stop them will. so if donnell suggests i will not call this threat what it is -- so if donald suggests i will not call list that what it is, he is not listening. by one not demonize and declare war on an entire religion. trump's words are your recruiting to isis. to help them increase its ranks of people willing to do what we saw in orlando. he is turning americans against americans, which is exactly what isis wants. leaders who have actually fought
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terrorists know this. he says he knows more about isis than the generals do. [laughter] clinton: it is almost hard to even think of what to say about that claim. i will abolish the second amendment. that is wrong. he says i will let a flood of refugees into the country without any screening -- that is also wrong. he feels compelled to tell these lies, because he has to distract us from the back he has nothing substantive to say for himself. >> right around the time clinton pittsburgh, in president obama was meeting with his national security team. then the president offended his own word choices with some pretty fiery remarks to reporters at the treasury department. pres. obama: there has not been a moment, in my seven and a half
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years as president, where we have not been able to pursue a strategy because we did not use islam."l "radical not once has an advisor of mine said "man, if we really used that phrase, we will turn this whole thing around" -- not once. so if someone seriously thinks that we do not know who we are fighting -- they know full well who the enemy is. and lawe intelligence enforcement officers, who spent countless hours disrupting plots and protecting all americans. including politicians who -- who tweet. and appear on cabele news shows.
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-- cable news shows. they know who the nature of the enmy is. there's no magic to the phrase "radical islam." it's a political talking point, not a strategy. the reason i am careful about talking with this threat has nothing to do with political correctness and everything to do with actually defeating extremism. groups like isil and al qaeda want to make this war a war between islam and america. that was intense. president obama at the white house. our new bloomberg politics national poll. avoiding thers is term "radical islam" makes it a look weak in the fight against terrorism. and 44%ed with that disagree. so pretty split and within the
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margin of error. so who is getting the better of this argument? say thisst, let's picture that we have seen today, two on one, two political heavyweights -- hillary clinton and barack obama -- both ticking on trump is striking to watch. taking on a trumpet is striking to watch. that poll you cited is interesting. the fact that there is some sense that trump is onto something, at least in a narrow way, that the public is on his side. that they believe the administration does not -- democrats not liking to use the phrase "radical islam" is a weak point. but it is also the case on a lot of other matters that trump put forward that he is on the wrong place. presidenttion that obama is weak on terror, a wide majority of people disagree with that. they also are strongly against
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the notion of increasing surveillance on muslims living in america. so i can see why he is focused on the language issue, because it is one of the few areas where he is -- has a bit of a strong hand. mark: there is certainly a point of view there, i would definitely breakdown on partisan lines. to theirtament confidence that hillary clinton and the president has that -- that clinton has the upper hand overall in policy that they are both going after him. they are not hiding from it. this is an issue trump has talked about four months. they have not -- for months. him have not confronted directly. they are feeling confident enough to do it now. that and they also think they are turning this not into just a policy discussion by a
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character discussion. making it clear that the way that trump talks makes him unfit to be president of the united states pay that will be a key point in hillary's argument going forward. democrats are not the only ones who have a problem with how trump reacted. seem to beleaders distancing themselves on both policy and political grounds from the party's presumptive nominee. who praisedcorker, trump's last foreign-policy address, told reporters today that trump's remarks are not what corker respected -- expected and he is "discourage" by the campaign trump is running. and here's what house speaker paul ryan said. i do not think a ourim ban is effective of party or country's principles.
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the smarter way to go is to have a security test and not a religious test. john: in the past, trump has clearly benefited politically by projecting strength in moments of national crisis. but this time, we are seeing many party leaders either staying silent or deking trump's positions out of hand. concern is growing among republicans that trump may be losing the entire general election before it really begins. what do you think of the sources of that more persuasive -- per vasive sense of concern? mark: it runs across the board. they do not see a turnaround in trump's discipline. they do not see an organization being built. they award the convention planning is too slow. they see private data that suggest trump and clinton's performance have hurt him. and he continues to create controversy and not talk of out
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changing the economy and changing washington like he did last tuesday. it can turn around again, but the biggest thing going our own -- going on is a lot of media who think that this is being cooked right now in a way that will be difficult for trump to recover from. john: we talked to smart strategists who have done a lot of presidential campaigns. and the notion that presidential elections are won are lost in the spring and summer. these bad for trump, but they could not, but they could not come at a worse time for trump. to see the reaction of republican leaders to trump's speech, his tweets, his attack against president obama on the morning shows, this has created a sense that -- this is normally a moment trump has benefited from -- they are looking and
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people are running and turning tail. i feel they would not turn and run if they did not get the sense this may be a sinking ship for all the reasons you described. tok: they find it difficult see trump stop making unforced error. so can he turn it around? of the am increasingly view that a guy who is donald trump, who is 69, has been the character he has been for as long as he has been, and has had so many positive reinforcements for the behavior he has exhibited both eyes a business person and a candidate -- he is unlikely to change. people praying for him to become more presidential and pave it, they are barking up the tree -- the wrong tree. i could imagine a million things donald trump could do to turn it around. my question is if he has anything like the inclination to do those things. so far, there is no inclination
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he does. mark: he needs to pick a really runningul presidential mate. he needs a great convention and great first debate. all of those things are in his grasp. but he needs to plan those things now. if he approaches them in the same ad hoc way, he will not get that trifecta. john: the question is even if he does those things you suggest whether it may be too late if he does enough damage to himself. still ahead, two political masterminds. ♪
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♪ politicalback with a
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consultant and former tennessee congressman and marginally less handsome man, harold ford. i want to ask fred -- we did this bloomberg politics national poll, and one of the things we asked was through their picks the list of potential running mates for donald trump -- newt gingrich at 100 10, marco rubio at 24%, at 18% and chris christie at 9%. what do you think of newt gingrich as donald trump's running mate? >> he is a man of great ideas. strength as the chairman of the board, the guy that gets out and uses the bully pulpit all over america, you need someone back home who is an operating officer. of that list, i would pick john kasich appeared someone who has
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proven he can actually get while donald trump is out -- i wish he would. we haven't talked about it. his runhis peace with for presidency and is really happy to be back in ohio. mark: the democrats would be afraid of newt gingrich, when they -- wouldn't they? i served with him. he is a smart guy. fred is probably right about the kind of need that donald trump appeared -- donald trump has. john: we asked about potential running mates for


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