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>> with all due respect to bob dole who just joined twitter. on the show tonight is a work week that has started with a political bang. you have your exit aftermath. democraticve two superstars. the fact that they are both women as one is eyeing the other.
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morning clinton rally. for the first time since elizabeth warren endorsed clinton, the two appeared side-by-side. soaring and were the attacks on donald trump was definitely not boring. >> i am here today because i'm with her. yes, her. what kind of man roots for people to lose their jobs? i will tell you what kind of a man. small money grabber who fights for no one but himself. hillary clinton will be the next president of the united states. she knows what it takes to build
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-- beat eight things skinned bully. hillary. you know i could do this all day. calls muslims terrorists and latinos rapists and criminals. thatry clinton believes bigotry has no place and our country. she fights for us. we will fight for hillary clinton. liberating tos fight for students from student debt. hardermakes -- works that wall street never wrecks mainstreet again. see how she gets
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under donald trump skin. duet drew quite the reaction. it also garnered glowing reviews from the news. >> i was struck by her embrace. seemed to make hillary clinton sharper as well about her argument on why she is fighting for the letter that. i think democrats across the country looked at this event and saw a pretty good winning ticket for the fall. the chemistry looked very real. >> that was evident as well. to have her on board for the team. hillary needs that boost. she is also doing her a favor because she is able to take on trump.nk --
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i think the girls teaming up was great. having a are conversation about a man's hat. matching blue suits and then they call donald trump goofy. they have the same hereto. john warren has moved closer to the center ring of this race. you and i disagree on how likely it is she's going to be picked to be on the ticket. does she look like hillary clinton's running mate. >> i agree with you it is not let likely. if hillary clinton was smart, she would consider her very seriously. andneeds energy and passion a jolt of electricity. she needs to connect with the sanders voter who are staying
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away from her. elizabeth warren would solve that problem and it would be an electric thing out there. that might be one she won't take her. thing is to pick someone that is electric. in the end, there is going to be someone in america who hillary clinton things is a letter commander in chief and someone whom she would spend 4-8 years with. haveere are others that more experience than elizabeth warned by far. think when bill clinton put out more on the ticket and he got that booze. a similar think it with elizabeth warned. there is no doubt that today was
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a special event. there was a ton of energy and emotion. aspect.very other crowdmen who can rally a with that degree of confidence and aggressiveness is a powerful thing. she will get a big speech at the convention. she will raise money and runway. i don't think the clintons are going to put someone that far to the left, a strong personality on the ticket. >> that is a reasonable course race approximation. didn't runy got i against that woman for the democratic nomination. it didn't take long for donald trump to unleash a rebuke. the nominee sent out a press alease calling the appearance sad attempt at pandering to the sanders wing.
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it also called the in a sellout for backing linton. an informal conversation with hallie jackson, he lashed out even further at elizabeth warren who he likes to call pocahontas. he called her a fraud and racist because she created a phony heritage. mark, it is not that common. what is that about? mark: trump lets himself the trunk. unite the republican base. as much as hillary clinton unites the republican base, elizabeth warren does even more. he would be smarter to talk about her liberal policies than going after her personally. that is certainly true.
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trump has an ideologically diverse coalition. hanging back are also ideologically diverse. not just with us, with democrats and liberals. this pocahontas thing is going her newco -- no good. it is not good for him in the long run. mark: make it personal about her rather than linking her to liberals. she is similar to bernie sanders. he is still trying to court bernie sanders supporters. served he will be better not think the personal about it. there was a lot of talk about the new general election survey. she's leading donald trump in
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national polls by a wider margin. there is a new nbc news wall beating him by five points. some brand-new numbers out this evening. satisfiedey are not with trump as their nominee. there is another new national poll. clinton has a much larger lead. the share of democrats in that poll is inevitably hider -- significantly higher. those polls tell a different story about the race. clinton has a one-point lead in colorado, a two-point lead in north carolina. five in wisconsin. all critically important states.
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it is all within the margin of error. texas university put out a poll that is only about eight points there. discussion.t of wefollows a trend line that talked about. it shows the obama approval rating at 56%, the highest it has been since 2011 after osama bin laden was killed. a lot of data and considering that pattern of trump closer in the battleground states. one of which is why the washington post poll is a different national event the nbc wall street journal poll. they both have different samples. there come up with different. one thinks that the democrats are in a much younger than the other. i wouldn't want to do --
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adjudicate on that basis. pollsters are figuring out what their sample is not by putting their thumb on the scalp but by talking to people. the republican party is in a lot of trouble as a brand. the other come under my will leave you to talk about is this story. mark: you've got a state like california. you have a lot of people that are going to be part of that national poll. the battleground states are interesting. yet the term people will point out to you that he is not a nearly as much trouble. generally, he is doing better with independents and men. those states tend to have independents who will be more
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blue-collar and like reagan democrats. you have to be hardened if you are a trump supporter to say that the battleground states are not a big deal. >> the supreme court today announced two major decisions. one overturned the corruption decision of governor mcdonald and the other concerned abortion. we will talk about that after these words from our sponsors. ♪
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john: the supreme court today struck down parts of the texas law that restricted the number
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of abortion clinics in the lone star state, ruling that provisions in question placed an undue burden on women. the 5-3 decision was the most sweeping statement on abortion rights in decades and will impact laws in dozens of other states. the clinton campaign was quick to put out a celebratory statement calling the decision a victory for women across america. donald trump has so far not responded publicly. mark, two questions for you about this. what do you think the fallout is for this decision? it is his story by any stretch. -- historic by any stretch. what you think the impact will be on the presidential race? mark: it shows there is a majority to support the casey decision and not having an undue burden on women seeking abortions. obviously, it has a huge impact on texas on access to abortions and in other states. it reminds anyone who does not remember this that while justice kennedy is a swing vote on a lot of issues, he has been a reliable vote for abortion
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rights. until republicans figure out a way to replace not just justice scalia but someone else from that five-vote majority of this issue, abortion rights will continue to be protected and in some cases expanded by the supreme court. john: roe v. wade and casey almost 20 years later have been the most intensely litigated, polarizing arguments in our lifetime in politics. the basic thing embodied in both decisions which is we will not get rid of abortion rights, you can put another clarence thomas on the court and have another five votes for an important affirmation. it shows how actually durable roe has turned out to be over 40 years of jurisprudence. mark: it will be interesting to see how donald trump handles this. it is a tough decision to fight
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with making any argument that is not complicated and does not risk inflaming the other side. john: in our hearts, we don't think donald trump is some wild pro-life person. if you think about his history on the issue, until the campaign he has never been a pro-lifer. it is hard to believe he would highlight an issue on which is authenticity is clearly in question. if you look at what he said about it, i think he wants to leave it alone. mark: very big ruling. we will have more on that with pete williams later as well as on another high court ruling today. the justices ruled unanimously on this to vacate the conviction of the former governor of virginia bob mcdonnell, the republican. he was convicted of corruption in 2014 after he accepted gifts and vacations from the c.e.o. of a virginia-based company trying to gain access to the governor and members of his team. in the court decision, the chief
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justice called what he did is distasteful but ruled the federal prosecutor's definition of the act was too broad. i thought this prosecution was outrageous from the beginning. i am delighted with how the court ruled. i wonder what you think the applications are for the ruling for politicians, prosecutors, and the press. john: a lot of politicians are breathing a big sigh of relief. this was notably a unanimous decision by the supreme court. far left or far right, everyone thought this was a crappy outcome for mcdonnell. i think the idea the only kind of corruption in our politics is straightforward bribery is ridiculous. there is systemic corruption in our messed up system of campaign finance. in this incident, if you criminalize what he did across the country, there would be a vast number of legislators and executives who would be in jail and i think that would be wrong. mark: reporters always side with the prosecution, until the person is found not guilty or in
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this case i bet a lot of people say he should not have been convicted. i think politicians should not assume now you can take all the gifts you want. most important for prosecutors, this was not a case that should have been brought. there are plenty of public corruption cases that are absolutely legit. there are some people who have been convicted to think this'll get their sentences overturned. it should not. bob mcdonnell did not do anything official. john: the court said distasteful. there's a good remedy to a lot of distasteful actions. we should write about it. it should have been a big story. if the voters did not like it, they could vote him out. mark: the problem is we don't know the facts of the subpoena power. he should not have indicted him. next, donald j. trump, billionaire, walks back his immigration stance. we will talk about his interview with bloomberg politics over the weekend when we come back. ♪
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john: the world is still comprehensively freaking out over the united kingdom's decision to leave the european union at the end of last week. today, secretary of state john kerry met with e.u. officials in brussels amid continuing disagreement about how to begin the negotiations of britain's withdrawal. opponents are still trying to find any way to stop it. many brits express sellers' remorse, an online petition calling for a second referendum signed by more than 3.5 million people. some scottish officials are exploring ways to remain part of the e.u. or force another vote.
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a year from now, will britain still be part of the e.u. or will it be gone? mark: i have no idea. i find the online petition to be kind of a joke. i don't care about that. i don't understand the standing to do this. i think what matters is what the next prime minister does. already, markets are calming. people that predicted this would lead to sustained turmoil, i never thought so. i don't see that happening. john: a lot of money lost. mark: they will all make it back in the next week. a lot of bargains. to me, the biggest sign of where this is headed is the fact that was in the european union there is disagreement about how quickly to let this happen. initial reaction was we have to get this right away. now there is real division about maybe there is some way to patch this up. john: you now have people like boris johnson saying what i meant by leave was we want to be part of the common market and
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still want to have relatively open borders, we just don't want to be part of the regulatory and tax regime. the question is going to be, i think increasingly it looks like whoever will be the new leader of the conservative party and prime minister will have to hold an election before the end of the year to get another vote. who becomes the labour leader if jeremy corbyn goes away? if labour were to win election, labour will have another referendum on this. under those circumstances, you could have another referendum. you could have this whole thing go away and we go back to the status quo. mark: i don't think that is the most likely but it is a reasonable outcome because the reality is after the vote, the press is completely against brexit. john: as is most of parliament. mark: there are not many voices arguing in a strenuous way, even boris johnson saying slowly head
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to the exit partially. now it is time to talk about another big exit. not britain but republicans who are leaving the party because of donald trump. in the past two weeks, the following republicans have endorsed hillary clinton. not all leaving the republican party but leaving the nominee, that includes hank paulson as well as bush 41's national security advisor and the former reagan administration official, among a few others. george will, the conservative columnist, over the weekend suggested he was leaving the republican party and not voting for donald trump. a handful of elite defections. there are more private ones. when and if would you say these kind of elite republican defections away from trump and the republican party will hurt his chances of winning? john: i don't know the answer. i find it hard to think any of those people we just mentioned
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who are familiar names to us but virtually no voter knows who they are is going to matter to any of them. it is reflective of a thing that is going on in the rest of the republican party. trump is getting about 75% of republicans to be for him. when you look at polls, the republican party has not come home to trump. a lot of polling suggests there is still a lot of dissatisfaction with trump. these are high-profile representatives of that. to the extent they represent that, that is meaningful. mark: trump's chances are still based on the notion of a different kind of coalition and one that says people who made treasury department decisions and made national security decisions in the last 20 years are wrong. would trump want their endorsement? he would say i don't even want it. i don't know he would want their endorsements.
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they care about the status quo. john: there are voters who are the voter version of these people. mark: can trump replace them with blue-collar people? john: you have to get over 75% myself identified republicans. you cannot win the presidency without 75%. mark: that number has to grow. if they had a good running mate and a good debate, he can bring the party back. john: can he have a good convention if a lot of the most famous republicans in the country don't show up? mark: that may help them. john: more on donald trump's scottish expedition from a reporter that was with him, when we come back. ♪
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donald in scotland walking back a bit. us come msnbc political correspondent casey hunt. thank you both for joining us. let's start with you, we want to talk on this decision of abortion from the supreme court. how is hillary clinton responded to that? >> this is a decision where she of course tweeted about it immediately saying it was the right decision or women, but not that we do something
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not hear about it from lakeland today. there's been a different decision from the one actually came down. you might have heard something of a noisy reaction. not overly focused on by the clinton campaign. >> you have a little bit of a scoop on this. how was the trump campaign manager with it? >> he has not put out statement, clearly underscoring just out contentious this has been. i was speaking with members of the evangelical board and the campaign has been in touch with them and they view this is another reason why donald trump should be president. they're using this to pivot to the supreme court. you talk to them about what seems like a pivot. this give us a sense of the flavor of his conversation. and tell us if you had the haggis. >> after he went through a truly
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remarkable, historic day, two days in scotland with donald trump where he was criticized for speaking at two of his golf course properties, he went on a rolling press gaggle, taking us from hole to hole and commenting. after that concluded, we went to his clubhouse where i interviewed him about the shift in tone we are starting to see. we talked about two of the most controversial policy positions he has put out. immigration and the proposed temporary muslim band. wethe conversation with me, noticed was someone was clearly trying to pivot to the general election. andaid he wanted to ban limit immigration from countries where there are several terrorists with regards to the muslim ban. and an immigration he says that will not be "mass deportations." >> they're very exceptionally
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good haggis there. >> i was unaware. i had pizza here. >> my question for you release always our earlier the show, the credible site of elizabeth moran and hillary on stage together, first time in a public event. it seemed like there was a lot of electricity. give us a sense of what it was like in the room. >> i was not any room and cincinnati, i'm here in chicago. will add to the segment you guys did earlier is that her campaign is going out of its way to make sure that this is the unit as an intense collaboration. they are telling reporters about how hillary clinton and warren wroten -- together, looking over remarks together. these of the kinds of details that as you both know well, the
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clinton campaign does not toss around. it is hard to say to them, do have an interesting color? they basically laugh and say no. in this case they are trying to underscore that. the visual on the stage, the two of them, they almost looked as though they were dressed alike. elizabeth worn was standing in the frame. they're definitely treating her in an embracing way. i think that is noteworthy regardless of where she stands stakes because they know it is important to keep her in the old and it helps illustrate that she can play a significant role even if it is not on the ticket. >> how he summarized the clinton 's tripn's view on trump to scotland? >> i think they -- the adequate out says most of what you know about their view of it. are toel like -- if we
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take the serious path, i the like he highlighted all the weaknesses he has compared to her strengths and they of course talked about having her do a foreign trip because it would underscore the strengths she has here i think that they viewed what came out of scotland as they needed to help push their message forward. no complaints on the trip from team clinton. >> people were kind of scratching your heads and asking why is he spending time at his private golf courses? do you understand the logic of it any better having come back? >> this is planned before brexit, this was planned completely separate from brexit it was a surreal moment as we in the press corps were waiting for him to land and we're getting word on twitter that cameron had just resigned. from and is stored --
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i will note that tomorrow when trump is going to give a trade pittsburgh, i would expect him to really take on the difference in policies between senator warren and hillary clinton. i think he is going to look and the people i spoke to today alluded to him being able to point a clear difference in terms of trade policy on the transpacific partnership between hillary clinton and a senator warren. anticipated not there would be an exit. the counter,was on he knew the bulk was taking place. i still find it amazing that his first words were not to talk about this thing that had just happened. he should have been prepared for that regardless. -- repairve any sense for the back you have to comment
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on the outcome whatever it was. do you know why it was he did not go out into the statesman thing, as any normal candidate would do? leaders were no larger reasoning scotland there. before the press conference began when he walked into the golf course, he did do an immediate gaggle before the press conference where he did comment on brexit. immediately we heard from him. he put out a statement before the white house did, remarkably. we did here he immediately try to draw the parallels between the u.k. declaring independence and his own supporters. >> if trump tries to get to her left, what you think she will do? >> i think this is really tricky. one thing that has flown under the radar is bernie sanders coming out and calling for the democratic party to reject the
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tpp as part of the platform. it was interesting to me because it signals that you had to say something like that publicly, you're trying to stir up a fight. that is private negotiations going on -- this would be a sign do not be going as well as some might hope on the clinton side. i do think it is a very thorny issue that she has not totally sorted out yet. itecially in that context would put her at odds with the president of the united states who is still at this point the leader of the democratic party. place where there is an opportunity for the trump campaign. we have seen her wrestle with this drug primary. she was in the view of many bernie sanders supporters slow to come around on this issue. there is no indication to me that she still feels entirely comfortable. it is one of those dancing on the head of the pain things -- the pin things.
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ofthis is going to be one the most complicated things she has to deal with if trump is going to flanker -- flank her. >> bernie sanders not helping much. >> no, not on that. when we come back we are joined by our friend. ♪
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john: our next guest is the great albert hunt. his latest column compares the economic agendas of donald trump and hillary clinton. thanks for coming on, al.
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we will talk about your column in a second. but i want to as you about a subject i'm upset with right now with right now, brexit. totally from the united states perspective, what is it that is most disconcerting and the biggest challenge american policymakers are grappling with right now as a result of brexit, assuming it actually happens? mr. hunt: the american economy is actually doing better than most other western economies, but we are very dependent on how they do. i mean, if china sneezes, we get a cold. and europe for all of its problems is not unimportant. the fear is this will cause some kind of downturn not just in great britain but also on the continent and that affects the u.s. there is nothing we can do about it, for that is the fear. john: the economics are more disconcerting to american policymakers than potential security implications in terms
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of how europe confronts the middle eastern challenges, etc.? mr. hunt: that is a very good point. and also, putin. putin is a real concern. the challenges are really equal. the feeling is -- great britain has been a great ally in most of these confrontations we have had. they backed away from the middle east, but they really have been. and if it is a weaker britain, that is a problem for us , particularly in the security area. mark: in your column, you look at the macro economic policies of hillary clinton and donald trump and their proposals. just talk about the vagueness of trump's proposals and where the big holes are. mr. hunt: they both have big problems, mark. let me go to clinton for a minute. one of her big problems is she has this obsession with saying i am paying for everything.
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she isn't but tries to argue that. money give you one example. infrastructure, she has a $275 billion infrastructure plan. nobody thought about what we need for bridges, highways, airports thinks that is anywhere near adequate. she will have to double that. she will not deal with the gas tax or carbon tax. so how she's going to squeeze that together will be difficult in the months ahead. donald trump's problems are much huger.e would say -- it is not just to get unemployment down and add jobs, he relies on trade sanctions and protections which no one believes. let's take his tax plan. right now, it will cost about $10 trillion over the next 10 years. i talked to one of two supply-siders he has charged with reform to make it more palatable. steve says we will get it down to $3 trillion and it will be middle class oriented. you cannot do that. it all does not fit. i think it is incumbent on us to stay on him on his refusal to
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release taxes and this tax stuff. mark: the plan is to take it to over $3 trillion? mr. hunt: he says they want to cut it by two thirds. if he tries to do that, i have a feeling his principles will run away from it. and you just cannot do it. you cannot make any supply-side tax cut which does not penalize the wealthy, if you will, and really have a big middle-class tax cut without raising any taxes elsewhere. it is not feasible. john: let me ask you about the politics of each of their economic proposals within their parties. so, clinton has been seen as a centrist democrat, new democrat. now she is the presumptive leader of a party that is much more coming to policy preferences, much closer to bernie sanders. does she have problems with her proposals on the left of her own party? mr. hunt: i think donald trump
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assuages a lot of those fears. i think otherwise, she might. she has already thrown them some red meat on the trans-pacific trade pact which she said she opposed come i do not really think that you does. she will go halfway on higher education. she won't go as far as bernie went. she will give them something on rhetoric on wall street. but i think one of her biggest challenges is going to be infrastructure. because that is something all democrats should agree on. -- i hate to say this, that is small stuff. that is not going to get you very many highways or airports. mark: in the context of veep stakes choices, trump campaign folks have said he will pick somebody who is clearly seen as qualified to be president. clearly passed that test. of the people said to be under consideration, who do you think fits that bill? mr. hunt: bob corker. i don't think he will pick him
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but i think he best fits the bill. on the democratic side, tim kaine. mark: do you think chris christie would meet that bar? mr. hunt: not as much as corker. he has no foreign policy experience. he is an immensely unpopular governor of new jersey. there is still a whiff of scandal hanging over him. i think it would be a hard sell, not as hard as other people. john: newt gingrich? mr. hunt: it is my wish, my dream. imagine the family values party, six marriages, all the stuff he has said over the years. we could turn this into a five-hour show every day. john: on your behalf, we will be praying for newt gingrich to be his choice. you're awesome, as always. coming up, we talk scotus with the great pete williams, right after this. ♪
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♪ mark: joining us from outside the supreme court in washington to talk more about the supreme court ruling today, correspondent pete williams. thank you for joining us. i want to start with the abortion case out of texas. i erroneously suggested justice kennedy was a reliably pro-choice vote on the court. he is not on partial-birth abortion, he voted on the pro-life side. where does justice kennedy stand now in terms of abortion and the court? mr. williams: partial-birth abortion, the court struck down the nebraska law that stopped these so-called partial-birth abortions. then came the federal law. that is when justice kennedy wrote the decision which alarmed advocates of abortion rights. but i think that was a bridge too far for him. this gets back to the main
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holding a planned parenthood v. casey, the big case 25 years ago, that today the supreme court picks up the language on it. what they say is that these two restrictions of texas that doctors have to have permitting permission at hospitals and they have to be built to the same -- they add to the obstacles that make it harder to get an abortion but don't add medical benefits. and for that reason, he said it is an undue burden, echoing the language of casey. so, it is surprising during the oral argument, kennedy seemed not to be willing to go that far. he seemed to be concerned about the facts in the case. he suggested at one point sending it back for more development about which law caused which clinics to close so we know how these two laws work differently. clearly, he joined the more liberal justices and that gave us this 5-3 ruling that would have had the same outcome even if antonin scalia had still been on the court. it would have just been 5-4.
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john: talk about the implication s for other states. they're obviously other states have similar provisions as the texas law in various regards. some have been modeled on the texas law. what happens now in those states? mr. williams: immediately, nothing. this ruling applies only to texas. but what will happen is the opponents of those laws will take the ruling, they will go back to court and say the same logic applies here in our state as applied to texas. we want these laws struck down. and i would expect for the most part, they will win. those laws are going to be in big trouble. this dozen or so laws like texas was a new strategy for opponents of abortion, after years of going after the patients by restricting women's access by saying you have to have counseling or there is a waiting. -- a waiting period or reducing the time in pregnancy when abortion is legal. they said that is not working. let's go after the clinics and doctors.
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and today, they lost. mark: how do you explain unanimous ruling from the justices on the bob mcdonnell case? different from the prosecutor making a decision. a federal prosecutor sees this as a good prosecution and earns a conviction. how can you reconcile that with the unanimous view of the court? mr. williams: all you had to do was hear the oral argument. there was not a single justice that was a big cheerleader for the prosecution of bob mcdonnell. now, today, the chief justice who wrote the unanimous decision said it is tawdry what the former governor did. the essence of the case is -- what is an official act? the federal law says you violate the law if you take cash and exchange for performing an official act. that is the question -- what is an official act? the court said setting up meetings, hosting launches, that is garden-variety stuff that government officials do all the time. that is not an official act. they said an official act is when you have a decision pending and you vote on it or you influence that decision.
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so, you know, as a technical matter, the case is sent back and the appeals court can look at again and see if there is a retrial. basically, they send the prosecution back severely handicapped. not only this case, but this is what you make it harder for prosecutors to bring corruption cases against other public officials. those legislators in new york state, their cases are on hold waiting for the supreme court decision for their sentence. the lawyer for robert menendez who faces a corruption charge from the federal government that he did favors for an eye doctor in florida in return for travel, that case could be affected by this. every time the supreme court rules to toughen the corruption laws, it takes a while for it to work through the courts before you really know how big an effect it has. mark: pete williams, thanks very much. appreciate it. we will be right back. ♪
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♪ john: on bloombergpolitics.com, you ought to check out the story about 13 executive orders donald trump can accomplish without congressional approval if it becomes president of the united states. you might want to watch "bloomberg west," where emily chang is speaking to megan smith. she is great. until tomorrow, for mark and me, we have one word for you. and that is sayonara. ♪
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