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♪ good evening. mark and i are here in philadelphia, not far from where hillary clinton will speak. she will address the tragic shooting of police officers in dallas last night. the last hours have brought tragedy and despair, fueling tensions in the already emotional debate over police tactics, brutality and the state of race relations in america. videos of police shootings in louisiana and minnesota earlier this week prompted
demonstrations in cities across the country. it was after one of those peaceful protests in dallas, a horrific ambush on police occurred. five officers were killed, several others injured. an sniper, micah johnson, african-american army reserve veteran, was holed up in a parking garage where he told his motivation was to shoot white officers. the gunman who the white house says has no connections to terrorist groups was killed at the scene. custodyher suspects in but authorities have not released information about them. some of the country's top officials spent the day calling for calm and national unity. president obama spoke from the nato summit in poland. president obama: we still don't know all the facts. what we do know is it was a
vicious, calculated attack on law enforcement. >> today, we feel the pain, feel the hurt. religion.ple of that to minnesota, dallas and a across the country, whatever we do, we must do it in an orderly, nonviolent fashion to redeem the soul of america and bring us together. as dr. martin luther king says the beloved community because we live in the same house. >> every republican and every democrat wants to see less gun violence. every member of this body wants a world in which people feel safe regardless of the color of their skin. that is not how people are feeling these days. >> to all americans,, i ask you
weekk you do not let this turned into a new normal. turn with each other not against each other. let support one another. i urge you to remember today and every day that we are one nation. we are one people and we stand together. john: both major presidential campaigns and the candidates canceled events today. donald trump canceled his speech in miami. an event foroned today. we will cover this story from a lot of different angles tonight but we will start with this, they question -- this science being it horrible, depressing and sad, what do you make of this? challenge of one i don't remember for the country. we have seen instances where
police have shut african-americans. situations -- the nature of the incident of dallas, the biggest attack in law enforcement since 9/11, it is a test for the country. i try to be optimistic. voicesave been that have been discordant. we have to really come together. john: this is a particular test. over the course of the last 25 years in politics, polarization has been the defining feature, we have fallen into this easy way of talking about every controversy that happens in the country. you are in the red team, the blue team. this is one of the instances where the challenge for the country -- we will talk about the candidates -- for the country, to have a conversation
about this and address the issues by taking off the jerseys and -- we have had black and white victims this week -- how do we have a conversation between the police and the community they serve that is not driven by the knee-jerk polarization. mark: on the most human level, the reality that every american has the think about now is if you are police officer or family member, an african-american family, you leave the house, you have to worry about being killed, being shot. that is a reality for lots of americans in both categories. every american needs to think about that. how to deal with it and respect the implications of it. john: a challenge not only to transcend polarization but a empathy and adopt to understand the fears and a lot of americans, black
americans, feel every day as they tried to go about their business. mark: as we mentioned, president obama is that the nato summit in poland where we did address the dallas shooting earlier today. halfway through his trip that takes them from poland to spain. it is supposed to end on monday. no one would be surprised if he came home early. in his remarks, he made his second somber statement in as many days related to gun violence. 12 hours earlier, he said americans should be troubled by the minnesota and louisiana shootings by police which he called symptomatic of racial disparity that exists in our criminal justice system. the president is currently oversees the weather he comes back early or not, what more could he do now? john: as you know, the president has put forward a task force with recommendations of
community policing, body camera's for comps and other things that would try to bring greater police accountability, but also make steps. those -- those proposals are sensible but they seem to have gone nowhere, especially now since there has been bipartisan interest in them. -- president has always been has always said gun control is important. that is probably impossible until now to the end of his term. he could. d make that central until he leaves office. mark: i would like him to go to dallas and make an event with george w. bush. if donald trump was not the -- that i can imagine is not in the cards -- i think
an event with george w. bush would be fantastic. there needs to be something that is bipartisan. if it is not bush, maybe paul ryan. something that shows that people agree on so much. to make it a bipartisan event. john: criminal justice reform as at least in theory has had lot of adherence. you have the koch brothers trying to do something about penal reform. people like rand paul, people on the left are interested in making progress. there is surprising agreement and overlap on many things people would think would be sensible areas of reform in terms of mass incarceration and how police do their business. one way or the other, try to force there'ose people from talking to actually get on the books. mark: all right. both major presidential
mark: welcome back to philadelphia. we have seen donald trump respond to a few tragedies but his reaction to what happened in dallas was in some ways unlike what we have seen from the republican nominee. this morning, he canceled a planned speech in miami which was going to be entitled succeeding together. he said his thoughts and prayers are with the families. he said "we must restore what
law and order, the confidence of the people to be safe and secure and on the street. the senseless tragic death of two murders in louisiana and minnesota reminds us of how much needs to be done. our nation has been too divided. too many citizens. racial tensions have gotten worse, not better. this is not the american dream we all want for our children. we need strong leadership, love and compassion. we will pull through these tragedies." according to some news reports, trump try to convince the new york police department to let him visit with some officers but it was denied by the commissioner who told reporters "our interest is staying out of the politics at the moment and not to provide photo ops." hillary clinton postponed her campaign rally with joe biden. she will speak shortly in
philadelphia. she did a series of tv interviews and said progress needs to be made on police outreach to communities across the country. mrs. clinton: this is a kind of call to action and as president i would implement a very comprehensive set of proposals i have been making for more than a year, including we must do more to have national guidelines about the use of force by police, especially deadly force. we need to do more to look into respect ourk into police. i will be talking to white people. i think we are the ones that need to listen to the legitimate cries from the african-americans citizens. we have so much more to be done and we have to got to get about the business of doing it. we cannot be engaging in hateful rhetoric or violence.
we need to be bringing people together. we unfortunately in the rip of some very divisive and hateful rhetoric. i think our tone has been very careful. mark: clinton has done some interviews and has this public event. we have yet to hear from tromp on camera. lot more to come from these two on these issues. politically speaking, what are the opportunities and the dangers you see for both trump and clinton from this week? john: i think the responsibility and opportunities line up perfectly. most of the country does not like donald trump and most do not like hillary clinton. part of the reason for that is this campaign has been conducted in an infantile and insulting way. all with the
country faces. we have a national from a going trauma going on. raising their level of rhetoric, substantial response. if they do that, they can benefit politically. if they do not do that, or worse, if they try to cynically profit from this and exacerbate tensions, they will be suffering politically. mark: clinton has an edge because she has dealt with many of these issues before. in arkansas, earlier in the campaign about gun violence against african americans. donald trump's statement is unlike anything. 80% of that statement could have been put out by hillary clinton or barack obama. it'll be interesting when he speaks, does the echo the sentiments, the tone of that statement which was uncharacteristic for him and
dealing with a broad range of concerns. he has not spoken out until now about the two deaths earlier in the week. he has a lot to catch up to in terms of hillary clinton, particularly after she spoke about it. john: she has spent a lot of the winter with a lot of their families like trayvon martin and tamir rice. she has a lot of practice talking about these issues. he does not. she has an advantage. mark: we are waiting for hillary clinton's speech in philadelphia but up next week will talk to the democratic mayor of dallas. and a friend of president obama's. we will talk about the tragedy in his hometown when we come back. ♪
john: joining us now from dallas, democratic mayor, the first african-american to hold the office, ron kirk. the former trade representative under president obama. you were mayor of dallas from 1995 to 2002. tell us what you know from your time running and afterwards, tell us about the state of relations between the community and the police force. ron: thank you for giving me in opportunity to join you. this is a horrifically sad day for the city. i have to say, even though i have said it many times, how and sendingfor my prayers for the families of those incredibly brave law-enforcement officers who
were executed last night. being in the unique position being privileged to serve as mayor and having been a man of color who grew up in the segregated south, i have some conflicting emotions about what happened. not a conflict in terms of the cowardlyness of the act, the lack of rationale behind it. our first responsibility as public leaders, whether you are leader, commissioner, president, the governor -- there is nothing more central to our work than to keep those from these things. that was always at the forefront of what i did. i considered myself fortunate during my almost seven years as mayor that we had a reasonably positivevery, very relations between our police and
communities, particularly our communities of color. dallas was one of those cities that very early believed in community policing, invested in it. you are not always going to get it right but one of the things that helped us get through some of the difficulties you are seeing in other cities is we made a down payment on that. we are a city, as the mayor said during the prayer vigil earlier, that has learned a lot and embraced the challenge we confronted nearly 50 years ago in terms of president kennedy to be a more inclusive community. we are not perfect but it is a great place to live and work. what happened last night is no reflection of the goodwill of the overwhelming majority of the people that live here. #dallasstrong is
already being used. you have an incredible city. >> can you say that again? mark: yes, sir. i appreciate you joining us. i love your city. i have seen the #dallasstrong, but i'm wondering your strength that how the city is dealing with this. is there shock, anger? what is the sentiment of what needs to happen? >> i know it is inevitable. there is not much anger right now, just a collective sense of horror and shock that something like this can happen in our city, particularly because like other cities, we have had a number of protests over the last several years. we have people of different faiths, communities that have expressed their concerns over the violence against the young african-american men by some police, whether it is
baltimore or st. louis. those have been peaceful protests. there is not anger, but mostly because last night was a very peaceful protest. the police got incredibly high marks from everybody i spoke with that was involved because of their professionalism, courtesy. people talked about the police taking selfies with marchers. in one sense, if there is a silver lining, it was a wonderful manifestation of what good police work looks like. and then we had this ridiculous, horrible tragedy that wiped away all of that, including what needs to be a very legitimate conversation about what that policing looks like in terms of what happens in baton rouge and minneapolis. right now, it is very raw. just a collective sense of
sorrow and hurt among the city. john: hillary clinton has said today that she thinks one of the things that needs to happen is for there to be national standards applied to police forces, particularly when it comes to the use of force. do you think if that is a good idea? how much would that do to help reduce the incidence of things that happened in baton rouge and minneapolis? >> the one thing -- the great thing about being mayor is we will do anything that works. there are great examples of how to do this. maybe we have those national standards and i am seeing a lot of your experts throughout the day from the law-enforcement community talk about how much could be avoided like what we saw happen in minneapolis by the proper training. we also need to have a
conversation and an honest conversation about how we stop talking past one another and engaging in a nonproductive conversation about whose pain is the deepest. visit the black community because of the wrongful termination of life? the fear in the police community. we need to begin to do, like i heard charles say earlier, talk about people coming home safe. we know what to do. there are plenty of good examples of teaching lessons on how to do great police work. we have done a lot of that in dallas under the leadership of chief brown. it is time for our leaders of both parties and all perspectives to realize words matter. as our mayor says, we need to be careful how quickly we respond to all of these tragedies.
understand the wrongness of those emotions and be more thoughtful of both sides and try to talk to one another instead of past one another. john: let me as you this question. you have served under president obama. do you think he has done enough to events that conversation? >> i think the president has been a wonderful role model. before i came on air, i had as strong of a conversation with my closest republican friends who i reached out to. one of our state leaders to lead d the effort to pass open carry and to do everything he could to not even have a conversation about the difficult position that we put police officers in, in a state that wants everybody to be armed. he had the unmitigated gull to
blame the protesters for what happened last night. resulted's response that it was somehow president obama's fault. personality,alm, has done more to advance stability and advance discourse. i don't think we can escape a conversation about the efforts to dehumanize this president, to do everything to recognize him. mark: we have to go. thank you so much for being with us. up next, what the dallas shooting means for the black lives matter movement and more. ♪
professor of religion and african-american studies at princeton. thank you for joining us again on another tough day for the country. president obama called you from your office and said i am here in europe, what should i do to help? what would you ask him to do? >> i would ask him to speak to the entire country. to talk about the enduring legacy of hatred and bigotry and how it manifested itself in the lives of not only african-americans but also in reactions, violent reactions we have recently saw in dallas. what i found so strange about was he wasonference not speaking to black people. we know all the stats he cited. let me be very clear, he said
there were some americans that feel they are mistreated. we don't feel that we are mistreated, it is evidentiary. we know we are mistreated. he seemed like he was trying to convince white america to take seriously something. so, i want to say that first. the second thing of what to say is my heart goes out to the families of those police officers who were killed. and, i hope as a nation we can find the grace and dignity to not only extend our sympathies to them but to begin to think about the way we live that is no longer sustainable. that we have created this. it is our responsibility. mark: amen. john: let me ask you this --
think about the road that we got here. you think about ferguson, eric garner and baltimore. the black lives matter movement arose out of that. even though there was a big reaction, not much has changed. what will it take to bring change? >> you know, in my work i talk about we need a revolution of values. we need to change our view of government which means we need to change our demand of government. i think we have lost a sense of the public good that the idea is this kind of isolated individual in which we all pursue our own self-interest, which can lead to a wild, wild west culture. i think we need to change our view of government, our view of of blackur view people and why people. me to come to terms -- we need
to come to terms that because one is white it does not give you privilege. the way to do all of this is by the activism in the streets. we need to make each other uncomfortable so that we can what a morether decent society might look like. i think it will take place at the polls. we have this -- you guys have been talking about it in brilliant ways -- we have this amazingly complicated electoral season were both choices make you want to throw your hands up. i think folks will show at the ballot box if they are dissatisfied. i think we will see more struggles in the courtroom, the workplace. we are standing at the precipice. i think all americans, all of us need to double down and do the
work to imagine a new way of being in the world. i think a revolution of value -- that is an echo of dr. king's words in 1968 -- where do we go from here? where we called for a revolution of values. we need to find a way of life. it is no longer sustainable. let me say this, imaginations will fill our fate. we need to be bold in the way we think about our future. john: you said this morning that the country was a country on edge. i'm curious about what you think the stakes are here. change does not come in a relatively expeditious way, what could happen? be a sociologist. >> my goodness. john: sorry. i didn't want to be demeaning. you can be a futurologist. >> my wife is a sociologist.
i think the stakes are high. look, it is no longer -- the current levels of economic equality are not sustainable. the idea of locking black and brown people up at the rate we do and allowing police to kill them in these ways is not sustainable. the fact that we have failed public education is not sustainable. we cannot bomb people around the oblivion.bilit ability magazine, which i write for all the time, has said that americans are optimistic about our future. i think if we drill down in the data we see that we know there are choices in front of us. we have to make those choices today, all of us. the stakes are high. wehink, you know, that
actually have in our hands the responsibility of saving the prospects of achieving our country. that is going to require some hard, hard work. no easy answers. we cannot fall back on american progress. we have to -- we have to look at the ugliness of who we are squarely in the face. give me a few thoughts on what you think parents should tell their young children, teenage children, twentysomething children this weekend about what they should think of what is happening. >> i wrote a piece with my son. we exchanged letters about this situation because i was so overwhelmed and worried about him. the thing that i can only say is , well, we have to understand it
is in our hands. nobody is going to come save us. we have to do this for us. our children and our children's children will have to muster up the courage to step outside their narrow silos and if the human beings in front of them as creations of god, of the creator himself, and are worthy of dignity and standing. we have to do this on her own. we have to step outside of the ugly inheritance that frames us and binds us. prayerfully, we can achieve our country. mark: professor, thank you so much for joining us, helping everybody talk through this. thank you. we are still in philadelphia and waiting for hillary clinton's speech. coming up, the reporter roundtable. if you're watching us in washington, d.c., you can watch
>> holy -- >> some of the got hit. ebody got hit. >> it is a shock to these families. they know the city is grieving with them. >> it has to be eerie to be there in downtown dallas. >> always so busy. >> is this what it takes for us to come together? does it always have to be a tragedy? does it always have to be murder? does it always have to be
terrorism? does it always have to be that hatred that forces us to love? >> for the citizens of dallas, this is my hometown. i'm a third-generation dallasite. homegrown. big d. i want to say thank you to all of you for your show of support today. we feel this today. this is something that you have shown us, that you really do care. so, thank you so much and god speed. godspeed. thank you. thank you. those are some of the sights and sounds from the past 24 hours. joining us now from the philadelphia convention center where hillary clinton is speaking this evening, margaret who has been covering the democratic side of the race and casey.
thank you for being with us today. give us a sense, from this morning when you woke up until now, what you have seen how the clinton campaign has reacted to this moment of national tragedy and trauma. >> privately behind the scenes, this has been one of the more chaotic days on the campaign didl even though you not see that in the public facing way. hillary clinton was out in public with this round-robin interviews with the networks. after a lot of back and forth on whether or not she is campaigning, as early as 7 a.m. this morning, the event with joe biden was still on. then, the timing of this beach was moved up. they wanted to make sure she had a chance this the to the public. we are still waiting on the speech which is supposed to be at 6:30 p.m.
we saw her in the interviews giving a very measured response, trying to address the criminal justice side of this and trying to th acknowledge the deaths of the police officers. john: not many reporters have been close to barack obama as you have been. give us what you think about what the white house is thinking at this moment. >> the president began his day in poland, trying to have this nato meeting with world leaders. it has become sort of the worst part of his presidency. whether it is police abuse of power towards african-americans, whether it is a mass shooting of schoolchildren, whether it is any of these mass tragedies that have been haunting to his presidency, he has been unable to move the needle on gun control. he has been unable to unite the
country. washed away by another tragedy and he is trying to figure out what to do for the country, how to talk to black americans about how to process their own anger at what happened in the shootings earlier this week, finally, as the leader of the democratic party, how to make this an issue that can bring voters together around democratic party's principles and not give donald trump a upperhand. in, wehat room you're were in that earlier, tell people what the setting is like for what will be a pretty emotional speech from hillary clinton. >> we are expecting a pretty emotional speech. this is a gathering of the ame church which was founded by a slave and philadelphia has quite
a place for u.s. history. i think she has been very careful so far to talk about this in a very measured way. reflecting this kind of somber moment that the entire political atmosphere has taken on today. the fact she wanted to come here and speak to this body is a commitment she kept on her schedule tells you something about the way they want to approach the wake of this tragedy. underscoring the importance that this african-american audience has for her in becoming the speaker of her concerns which is pretty meaningful. ahead.o >> democrats in congress are pushing for gun control but hillary clinton is talking about the fact it is a push for gun control rather than the issues
like division. she is trying to pace herself, take your time to grieve and console. i think president obama will make those same decisions. he will go to dallas when the time is right. how do you talk about this in a way you are not politicizing the issue and also try not to lose the moment politically. margaret. go ahead. john: stay with us. we will keep this conversation going after this break. ♪
mark: back now and philadelphia waiting for hillary clinton's first public remarks of the tragedy in dallas. rejoining us is margaret and kacie from inside the hall where she will speak. i asked you to talk about the context of the event. talk about how big that room is unusually large it is for hillary clinton to speak to. >> i have never been in a room this big in a hillary clinton campaign event that i can recall. sometimes she has spoken to groups like this inside a convention center, but this room holds thousands of people. 10,000 people. there are many seats empty because the way the day unfolded. the service has not had a chance to fill up the seats.
they are encouraging people to move up to the front and to make sure the seats are filled. mark: a big room. margaret, we are heading into a summer weekend and both these campaigns have to deal with this tragedy, set of tragedies, but also the convention planning, etc. what is your sense of how the balance will go into the weekend and next week? >> from the white house's perspective and the president's perspective, it is how long to stay in europe. he's scheduled not to come back until early next week which may change. for the presidential candidates, it is absolutely a matter of getting enough space and respect for people to breathe and the situation to unfold without being absent at a time where people want to hear what you will do to bring the country together and what you think the appropriate way to address it.
because of what happened in dallas came on the heels of these other events in louisiana and minnesota, there are two issues. what is police security, protecting law-enforcement, automatic weapons. the other is the long-standing issue of, you know, largely white police forces and african-american citizens who have done nothing wrong. it cuts across different constituencies, different groups of voters. both of these candidates speak to these issues and these two different issues will be a real challenge in the coming days. john: margaret, i want to talk about president obama and one of his challenges, talking to the black community about what is going on in the country right now. the things he said from europe, trying to frame this in a rational, contextual way, there
is some frustrated people in the black community. how do you think he feels about the difficulty in this particular moment in speaking to those audiences at the same time -- white and black? >> it is difficult. as president, the commander-in-chief, the head of law and order and the leader of all the united states, he has to say immediately that what happened in dallas is completely inappropriate no matter how angry anyone was about anything. it is not the appropriate response. the problem in talking about voters african-american is the grief of the families and the community of baton rouge and minnesota and ferguson that have been through this, that was the focus of attention. that has been marginalized.
police andsion about law and order. the president does not want to pick a side, cannot pick a side. it is not competing sides. but in terms of the debate, the news cycle and how americans are reacting to this, these two parallels have been intertwined. for him, it is his legacy and he wants to preserve that but he also wants to pave a good road for hillary clinton. he does not want his baggage to get in her way. >> i think hillary clinton, you can see in these interviews she has done, i expect we will hear something similar on stage, they are aware they are trying to make sure they are speaking carefully and compassionately to both communities in this instance. they know while on the one hand
fine. i gets a remarks will be emotional and well-crafted. it is such an important time for the country. president obama overseas. she will be filling something of a void. john: all right. check out the coverage of hillary clinton's speech on bloombergpol itics.com. coming up on bloomberg west, david west. do not miss our series which is back on sunday at 8 p.m. eastern . we will go to cleveland to preview the republican national convention. until monday, sayonara. ♪
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