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tv   Charlie Rose  Bloomberg  July 8, 2016 7:00pm-8:01pm EDT

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>> bernie sanders, the socialist turned democrat, senator from the month, stunned -- from vermont, stunned the political world by running a very close race for the democratic nomination. he received more than 12 million votes. she got 3.7 million more and will be officially nominated in less than three weeks. big questions remain for the challenger. will he endorse clinton, how enthusiastically and what are
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the big rule changes and how or whether his candidacy has changed the party. we are pleased to welcome you with us. let's start with the question everyone is asking. will you endorse hillary? sen. sanders: our campaigns are working together. from day one, i said that i would endorse the winner of the democratic marry. i had hoped it would be -- democratic primary. i had hoped that it would be me. seere working together to how we can be most effective in terms of coming together on issues and running the kind of campaign that needs to be run to make sure that donald trump does not become president. >> are there any other questions that need to be resolved? sen. sanders: we are working together. at the end of the day, we will be united and do everything we can to make sure that donald trump does not become president. >> will you endorse or before the primary begins?
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we arenders: right now, working to make sure we can be most effective and making sure that somebody who would be a disaster for this country, mr. donald trump, does not become president. >> can i get it out of you? before the republican primary? sen. sanders: that is not the important issue. what's important is how we address the issues that we face and how we go on to transform. >> a number of your supporters are talking about voting for third-party candidates. jill stein, of the green party. or even gary johnson, the libertarian. what will you say to them? sen. sanders: i will say to them that this country faces enormous crises. i don't know how we would survive for years of donald trump. how we would survive a person trying to divide us up. who is running his campaign on bigotry.
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who doesn't recognize the reality of climate change. who wants to give hundreds of billions of dollars in tax breaks to the top 0.2% of the top 1%. who is everyday insulting new people whether it is women, muslims, or african-americans. in the world we are living in today, i don't know how to go for years with someone like donald trump. you're talking to someone who is the longest-serving independent in the history of the united states congress. we have to now is, do everything that we can to defeat donald trump. to elect hillary clinton. >> let's talk about some of the issues. you were pleased with her college affordability plan. she moved closer to your position on that. what are some of the other things you would like to see her move on? >> it is not a question of her moving. it is a question of the democratic party and secretary clinton addressing the major cri
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ses that we face. >> what are some of the other crises? sen. sanders: one of the issues that we have to talk about as a nation is to focus on the real issues. for 40 years, the middle class has been disappearing. how will will be addressed that? we have grotesque levels of wealth and income inequality. do you think it is appropriate that the top 1% are wealthier than the bottom 50%? at the top 0.1% owns more wealth than the bottom 20%? this is the most progressive platform in the history of the democratic party. >> what else has to be in the platform? sen. sanders: what has to be in the platform now -- we have made real progress. i want to see specific language about raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour. i believe people who work 40 dollars -- 40 hours per week could should not be working at poverty levels.
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>> they call for it now. sen. sanders: it needs to be clearer. we need to make sure that the tpp, the transpacific partnership, which is a continuation of disastrous trade policies in the past, which have cost us millions of decent paying jobs, we should be very clear in saying that should not come up in the lame duck session. >> that would be a direct slap at barack obama who is the most popular democrat in the party right now. i know that you are opposed to it, being a post is not a slap, but saying mr. president, you cannot bring that up in a linda. sen. sanders: i had the impression -- in a lame duck. sen. sanders: i had the impression that we lived in a democratic society. i am a great fan of barack obama. i respect him. he is not write all of the time.
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i am not right all of the time. you are not right all the time. he'll lick and will agree to put a plank in that say -- wil do you think will agreey clinton to put a plank in that says, no ttp in the lame duck? sen. sanders: why we are in decline, why the income is going to the top 1% is for a lot of reasons. one of them is trade agreements that have forced american workers to compete against the world for pennies on the dollar. when people are angry -- you disputeinvestor state system which says that companies like transcanada, who were pushing the keystone pipeline, which was appropriately rejected -- they can go to a third-party, tribunal, and ask for billions
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of dollars from the united states government. you are lessening democracy as a result. >> in the draft so far, a ban on fracking and a call for a carbon tax, do you expect them? sen. sanders: we will fight for them. >> what are the odds? sen. sanders: asking the odds is a media question. ask me about, should we have them? i happen to believe that climate change is an extraordinary crisis facing this planet. i believe that if we continue to allow the fossil fuel industry way, theeir merry planet that your grandchildren inherit may not be particularly habitable. we need to move aggressively in every way that we can. we need a tax on carbon, we need to end fracking today. >> i'm not trying to give you a trick question.
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i'm trying to find out, how important are those provisions for you to be an enthusiastic campaigner? sen. sanders: they are important for my grandchildren and your grandchildren and aliens on this planet -- billions on this planet. donald trump happens to believe that climate change is a hoax. i think that donald trump is out of his mind. the entire scientific community believes that it is real and they have told us that they have underestimated the crisis that we face. i want to be aggressive, not to embarrass anybody, but to make it clear that the united states has to lead the world. china, russia, india have to f ollow us. >> one of your centerpieces was campaign-finance reform. the rigged system as you called it. sen. sanders: as i called it? it's a fact. >> hillary clinton says, yes
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she agrees. i remember that bill clinton said that in 1992 and nothing happened. president obama said it and nothing happened. presidents seem to give lip service to that. sen. sanders: i don't think that is quite fair. >> announcing the change positions. sen. sanders: we cannot cast equal blame. you have a republican party whose leader is mitch mcconnell. mitch thinks that citizens united did not go far enough. mitch thinks that we should allow the koch brothers and billionaires to liberally employ candidates. the kochnt to run, brothers would give you directly at check for a few hundred million dollars. that is mcconnell's view. that is not the president's view. that is not hillary's view. the blamee, all of rests with republicans who loved the idea that the koch brothers and other billionaires can finance their campaigns.
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in my view, we have to overturn the disastrous citizens united and reform the public funding of elections. this country is moving toward an oligarchic form of society. a handful of billion is controlling the economics and political actions. the koch brothers are pouring tens of millions of dollars trying to gain control of the u.s. senate. >> much of what we are talking about is what goes in the party platform. barney frank said the other day that platforms are the miss congeniality of beauty contests. they are irrelevant. sen. sanders:. i strongly disagree. they become the blueprint for the future. i'm not saying that tomorrow every plank in the platform becomes legislation, but it is the basis on which the party stands. the other thing i will fight for is to make the platform and more rocket document and -- a more
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relevant document and demand that it becomes the basis for which the party moves forward. >> also, talking about rules changes, you would like to see independents to vote in all the primaries. from your conversation, do you think that will happen? sen. sanders: there are differences of opinion, but i think we can win this one. if you go to a state like new 3 million people in new york who declared themselves as independents could not participate in the democratic or republican primary. the could not play a role in selecting who the candidate would be. that is stupid. >> how about the idea of ending caucuses? you did well in caucuses. sen. sanders: we should take a look at caucuses. what i like about caucuses is that it demands more of people. i believe in democracy. i want to see people yelling,
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screaming, and arguing about the important issues. i want to see the media focusing on the real issues rather than personality and conflict. i like that people have to spend a couple hours in a caucus and argue with their neighbors. what a recognize is, if the caucus is at 7:00 p.m., you may be working, you are on the night shift, you cannot come out. a reasonable copper mice is what you call a firehouse caucus. you come in any time during the day, but if you want to stay for a more prolonged debate, you can do that as well. >> if you do that and a lot of independence to vote in the primaries, you would be pleased? sen. sanders: yes. >> did hillary clinton win this imitation fair and square? sen. sanders: let me answer it this way. we knew what the rules were when we went in. we knew that in new york the 3 million independents were not allowed to vote.
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that there were many closed primaries along the way. i think the rules in many cases are absurd, but we knew what we were getting into. >> in that sense, she won fair and square? if there had been different rules, who knows what the outcome would be? sen. sanders: yes. report onjames comey her use of a private e-mail server had come out much earlier, might that have changed the outcome? sen. sanders: i have no idea. i have to get back to the reasons that i ran. what media does is spend a lot of time talking about hillary clinton or donald trump, or bernie sanders. this is the lesson i learned. the american people want to know why their jobs went to china. they want to know why the koch brothers can spend tens of millions of dollars in a so-called democratic society to elect the senate. they want to know about the
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morality of us having so much and the highest rate of childhood party -- poverty. what i find myself, in terms of the media, having to keep talking about the issues and not get involved with hillary or donald trump. which candidate is better able to respond to those crises? i think hillary clinton is clearly. >> the american people also care about trust. they surely care about the issues. this seems to go to the issue of trust. paul ryan said yesterday that hillary clinton should not be able to get security briefings. sen. sanders: i'm shocked that paul would really say that. let me make a wild guess that tomorrow the republicans will say everything else, and they will try to make this the major issue of the candidacy. let me make another guess that the media will not talk about the agenda of the republican party to get huge tax breaks for billionaires, they reject the
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science of climate change, they want to cut social security and medicare. is that a good guess? onyou are a good guesser these things. you are saying it is not a relative -- relevant issue? sen. sanders: it is a relevant issue. donald trump's business background is a relevant issue. do not mean to suggest that are not serious issues, but more serious is the disappearance of the middle class. i have been around the country. i have gone to native american reservations with a life expectancy is a third world country. i have been in areas where when people turn on the drinking water, the water cannot be consumed because it is full of pesticides. i have seen people working incredibly long hours and not making enough to take care of families. kids whose dreams were to go to college not being able to go to college.
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oniors trying to live $10,000 social security -- how often do we talk about that? >> some. sen. sanders: 1% of hillary's emails? >> you say it is a serious issue, but you don't agree with paul ryan. sen. sanders: that is correct. >> let me ask about young voters. for whom you had great appeal. sen. sanders: my youthful charm? [laughter] >> i think that it was. i give all the credit to your wife. sen. sanders: that may be right. >> donald trump says, a lot of the issues that the young people were attracted to bernie, the system is corrupt, the system is rigged, corporations have too much power, trade deals are bad. i am closer to bernie than hillary clinton. sen. sanders: it does not. give me pleasure to say this. i have many conservative friends who i respect. i have to say that donald trump
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is a pathological liar. that is not just me, many republicans will say the same thing. he says things which are blatantly not true. politicians are all known to stretch things a little bit. he lies all of the time. whatever he says, if he tells you it is sunny outside, take a hard look to see if the sun is shining. he does not tell the truth. what he is trying to do, in a very opportunistic way, is trying to win votes that may have come to me. i don't think he will be successful. >> young voters should not listen -- sen. sanders: what young voters definition,k -- by young people are idealistic. they understand that this country can be so much more than it is right now. they are looking out there and worried about i'm a change and criminal justice, and racism, and sexism.
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for the first time in the modern history of this country, unless we change it, they will have a lower standard of living than my generation. they are moving in the wrong direction and they don't accept that. they are tired of leaving school $60,000 in debt and cannot get married and have kids. i hope that the young people will fall for donald trump. they reject a strong way bigotry and sexism and racism and homophobia. >> it is clear that you did not come away from this campaign with high regard for the media. sen. sanders: yeah. >> elaborate on why. sen. sanders: it is not a personal thing. i don't think anyone is picking on bernie sanders. it's because even some of the questions we have today, this campaign is not about hillary clinton. it is not about donald trump. it is not about bernie sanders. it is about the american people.
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you tell me, how much time did we really talk about the decline of the middle class? should we be talking about the morality of so few having so much and so many having so little? do we talk about that at all? do we talk about the pharmaceutical industry making $50 billion in profits last year while charging the american people the highest purses in the world for prescription drugs? is it possible that we don't talk about it because of the ants we see going to the tv industry? am i right? >> i will not speak for the entire industry, but it is not just the ads, you are saying that the broadcast and print outlets -- sen. sanders: they are all one multinational corporation so they clearly have a bias. >> as you reflect back on the campaign, it is just ending now, but what are your good thoughts? do you have for grants -- regrets? sen. sanders: a lot of beautiful
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thoughts. the most beautiful of all is that i am optimistic about the future. i have spoken to so many people. working people. young people who really want to change this country for the best. i have seen in their eyes hope and a willingness to stand up and fight. that has inspired me and will continue to inspire me. politically, what we have got to do is take that energy of those young people who in many instances do not feel welcome into the process to figure out ways they can be involved and help transform this country. >> any regrets? sen. sanders: you think back and you can always have done thinks differently. i think it is fair to say we did better than a lot of people thought we would. we ran a great campaign with a great staff. it has been an extraordinary experience. i want to think so many millions of people who have been
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responsive and supportive. the political revolution continues. sen. sanders: tough to -- >> tough to return to the senate? sen. sanders: [laughter] that is an understatement. >> we will the back in just a moment. ♪
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>> the summer olympics begin in less than a month in rio de janeiro.
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the buildup has been marred by a range of concerns including the zika outbreak. mcilroy has said he will not compete because of the zika virus. theing me now is richard, senior editor at sports illustrated and has covered seven olympic games. jules.m rio is i am pleased to have both of them with us. jules, you are in rio now. what is the mood? what are the preparations? >> i have lived here since august of 2015 and at that time it was difficult to find anybody excited. i returned this week in the overall attitude is a collective
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shrug if not people being upset. i went to a protest two nights ago where activists and citizens were raising a number of questions. from the amount of money being spent, to false promises. behind me you can see the bay. that was supposed to be cleaned up and it hasn't at all. the sentiment is mixed, but it is hard to find people excited. >> from those who live there, what are they most worried about? jules: i think it depends who you talk to. i spoke to environmental activists and -- something sticks in their side. the bid from 2009 said 80% of the water flowing into the bay would have been treated. that would've been a terrific legacy for the people of rio. some statistics came out this week that said the number is closer to 21 percent and some
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important scientific work has found if you ingest three teaspoons of water from behind me, you have a 99% chance of catching a virus. while there will be windsurfing thesailing in the water, people of rio or hoping it could be cleaned up so they can go swimming. that is a major concern and a major disappointment. jeff: water pollution, zika, dopant concerns, never mind the political unrest. jules: just last week, somebody parts washed up on copacabana beach. there are also the police. there will be 85,000 security officials to police the game. that is double the number we saw in london. , we havehat is great
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security officials to keep the peace, but the resilient peace officials have a rough track record. amnesty international came up with a poll that found one in five homicides in brazil is carried out by security ,officials. it raises questions for those who live there, who will keep an eye onthose keeping an things. jeff: and every one of these games, there are major concerns. how many of these concerns go away when the games start? is that the right way to think about things? richard: the olympic motto higher,e faster, disaster given what we have heard. my first one was 2002. i remember in the shadow of 9/11 seeing soldiers walking around and people for saying, are the olympics safe? even in sochi, people thought about terrorism and there was so much press heading in. the olympics have this unique thing that once the games start you forget about the
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surroundings and the outside because the performances are so great. you see michael phelps in the pool, or the beach volleyball players like carrie jennings. the sports supersede was is surrounding. this feels different. to me, having covered six of these, the run-up feels different. it feels like brazil is a mess, both infrastructure lee, -- infrastructurally, as well as the economics, and security. maybe they will pull it off, but in my olympic experience, i have not seen a pre-run up that feels as foreboding as rio. jeff: brazil hosted the world cup two years ago. are there any lessons to be taken from that? >> yes. the people here have taken a lot of lessons.
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there were a lot of promises made around the world cup and many have not been followed through. a lot of the promises made about the olympics, people do not give them much credence. what you are pointing to is a larger pattern of olympics in the 21st century. you mentioned athens, you mentioned beijing. there is a pattern. some of the elements are heightened or amplified, but we have seen some of the same dynamics even in london where the cost went to the roof. that is one of the patterns. it is like etch-a-sketch economics. they say this much at the front and, shake it up, and you get a different number on the backside. we saw in london where it was supposed to be $3.8 billion, and it ended up being $18 billion. costs have gone to the roof. hospitals are being shuttered. social services are dialing back.
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lots of people can think for plenty of uses for the money being spent on the games. >> which leads to some cities running away from the games. boston was under richard: jeff i new york of course, how much of the backlash was from citizens who didn't want the games. -- what julesid said. i was in athens. i've seen the photos. they are white elephants. they don't exist anymore. they promised this transform the city is not the case. games, if youhe conceive that they are still a noble of fair and i think they are athletically maybe there should be only a certain number of cities that host these games and they rotate around those
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cities because they can handle it infrastructure wise and don't cripple the economy's, -- economies. jeff: is there something to that? jules: there is absolutely something to that. you were an fewer cities are game worthy games. you only need to look at the last bidding when only two cities remained, has asked dan and beijing, china. neither of those cities are bastions of democracy. any city that was thinking about it whether they let the public way and they said no. stockholm,tzerland, they said thanks but no thanks. may rotating among a small number of cities is the way forward but the international olympic committee is in a slow-motion crisis and they need
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to figure a way out. jeff: haven't they always been in crisis to one extent or another? richard: they are a selfish organization that often picks the sides of games or reasons , notare not fan friendly necessarily city friendly. it gets back to something you brought up before. so often when the event star and , we fall infied boltwith stories, you same will pull off another double, we forget about this stuff. , they are notting going to forget about this in the host city. they for the bill and have to deal with the aftermath. we fall in love and then are not bothered by it. jeff: what does rio look like after the games? jules: there's probably going to
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be a sigh of relief. hopefully people won't get hurt. the athletics are going to be great. there is a lot to look forward to. you will see a collective sigh and then go back to the garden-variety economic crises engulfing the country. the president may be impeached. everyone will turn their attention to the impeachment of the president of brazil. jeff: it's unfortunate when any clinical crises becomes god -- garden-variety. what are you most looking forward to? jules: there's a lot to look forward to. one thing that is interesting is there will be a team of world refugees marching behind the olympic flag. athletes from countries like sudan, ethiopia will get to participate. they've been training with other
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countries and that will be cool. there are 10 athletes. that will help raise the issue of refugees around the world. , we don't the games need to devote ourselves to the death of complexity. we can appreciate the athletes and at the same time we raise these important criticisms about what is happening in rio and with the olympics more generally. one athlete i am excited about is spencer, lawrence halsted. he wrote an interesting piece for the guardian that may the argument that we are athletes and we see these things that are happening in host cities. together andak out shouldn't be afraid of that. if we see injustice we should stand up against it. i will root for him. he is catching flak for us standing up in that way. if any country needs
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uplifting it may be britain. for you, the biggest athletic --nt, the phelps's long song swan song? richard: for americans it will be. .yan lock gymnastics will as well. we saw debbie douglas blowup last time. i think she will become a household name. finally for me, i may track and field fan. i love the sport because i am slow. one of the great moments for me is always the moment before the 100 when the entire stadium is silent. it's unlike any other silence you will hear. pleasure to watch
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you same bolt -- you same bolt t run.in bol baltimore has been an incredible performer in the biggest events. he's the greatest track athlete of my lifetime. if you triples you have to think of him of one of the great athletes. jeff: we will not see the russian athletes. jules: the russian athletes who gets permission to compete in track and field. we will not see that team in mass. doping will be a significant issue because it always is. russians with lack of competing it becomes a bigger issue. jeff: is there and a living issue people are not paying attention to? think once these games are over all attention is going
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to turn to tokyo, the next summer olympics. there's a bribery scandal there. for $2 million around the voting around the 2020 games. looking ahead there are additional issues on the corruption front. thank you to both of you. ♪
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major: in 1994 a reporter got the chance of a lifetime, an interview with keith richards. it added to his obsession with the rolling stones. he has written a book cataloging his years with the band along with interviews with rock 'n roll legends. it is called the son and the moon and the rolling stones. the book was called masterful. hundreds have been written about this band and his will rank among the best of the bunch. i'm so pleased to have my friend back at this table. so pleased to have you. before, we just noted one of the great things is so much has been written about the stones but you bring this
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perspective to it that is unique . not just when you met them but your childhood. >> when i was a little kid, i was the youngest brother. rhinestone song was cowboy. i used to go into my room and laying -- listen to it. i called it rhinestone therapy. my brother had locked the door and i heard the cowbell and it picked me up and levitated me to his room where i heard just enough of it before he started beating me back down the stairs. and maybeme for life a lifelong rolling stones fan. you call your brother's room heaven. >> the attic was like, no rules. the frontier. no parents. tot because my parents were
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lazy to walk up the extra flight of stairs. jeff: let's take it to where it began with you. this takes up so much of this book. >> i'm from chicago. i got interested in the blues going into the checkerboard lounge. they would serve you red wine when you were 13 years old. the rolling stones showed up and played there. muddy waters would play there. i heard this music. sitting there at a table, hearing muddy waters saying i'm a man. you could hear the music. coming to chicago, guys had to plug in their acoustic instruments. it becoming this music that gets
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picked up by mick jagger and kids in england and heard like this brand-new thing. they try to copy it. and copying if they change it. sort of bringing the music back to the city. comfortableere more with how he got copied and changed than others. rich: there's a great line by some jazz musician that you can't steal a gift. the guys like muddy waters like the rolling stones. they recognize what they were doing was not what pat boone was doing. .hey were not making covers they were doing something interesting and new. i think when howling wolf needed a backup band, they recognize
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these were these incredible blues bands. if you looking at the rolling stones sing their version of little red rooster it is up there with the original versions. jeff: for so many it is beatles and stones. for you it was beatles and stones, always that comparison. rich: hurling on the stones manager, the beatles had field -- fill the niche. they were the good guys. they were wearing the white hats. the stones could fill that niche of the black cats. when i was a kid i heard the rolling stones, it was everything dirty and nasty a wanted to try when i was older. gang.ere like a like the outsiders or west side story. music.t just the it was the band and the nastiness and the infighting. at a very young age it
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brought that out. rich: elvis had the kernel. him their name was the rolling stones. he said no one's going to buy a record from a band that cannot sell their own name properly. theire them lose one of members. i heard them describe they are so ugly they are attractive. that was going to be the stones. they were the opposite of the beatles. jeff: i said what was the key to the success. he said they showed up. rich: they literally showed up every night. there was a concert that the because there had was a snowstorm. the stones filled that gig. that became their regular gig which made them a barroom sensation. they didn't know they should play because there were three
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people. there's a thing you can take away. what do you do, you play. you don't punish people who did come. for the people who didn't come. jeff: brian jones, another band member who was lost for various involved asrew was well. a must of been difficult to revisit some of that were talked to keith and mick about that. title of thehe book is the sun, the moon, and the rolling stones. i told him what year i was born he said you should be answering my questions. brian jones died in 1969. i was a kid who crop with the ban in the post brian jones era. this is his band.
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it was his slide guitar around which the rolling stones were formed. he lost control of the band. one of the things i love is all the things you have with your own friends, they are completely human in that way. they would single a guy out until they went insane. that became brian jones. it's agonizing to read about him. he was such a great musician. you knew he was being driven slowly insane by the fact that he lost control of the band and became a drug casualty. grew uping stones i with was built on the remains of this brian jones rolling stones. it's like discovering the antique age. jeff: you were already so listened in to the legend and then you start working for rolling stone.
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you did some reporting beforehand. rich: when i first interviewed at rolling stone they said listen i'm going to ask you if you could interview anyone in the world who would it be. don't tell him the truth. whoever you interview, you will never interview that person. i wanted interview the rolling stones. so i said bruce springsteen. six months later he said how would you like to go on the road with the rolling stones. all of a sudden i'm on a plane. keith had been busted not want to go. i got met by his personal assistant and said let's go. she said here on rock 'n roll time now. they took me to a great school in the suburbs. if you have ever wondered what's
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going on at the great school in the middle of summer, the rolling stones are playing there. in the grade school jim, the place of torture for many of us, the rolling stones have taken over. i watched them put together their show. the decision to be a reporter and not to go to law's goal was -- law school was justified by those two weeks. jeff: you said that was maybe the best performance you ever had. rich: the best was just before they went on that tour. they did this pop-up show to play before a live audience. keith richards says the reason we keep playing is this music doesn't exist until it is in front of a live audience. people always say i still have -- i saw them but they weren't so great. i said you haven't seen them they exist at a bar at 3:00 in
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the morning where everyone is drunk and keith richards just found the group. i got to see that. you realize what they are, the greatest bar band in the history of the world. jeff: he became closer with keith and you did with mick. you write about mick and are candid in your estimation of what his success and failures are. what was it about keith richards that turned on that like for you? the yen and the yang of mick and keith hot and cold. disco versus blues. mick is cold and distant. i worked with him later. has the pop him he star sense of he doesn't want to let you know who he is. he remains removed. like prince or bob dylan. keith is put at ease.
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he is a guy who seems to have found out how to live in the program be comfortable in the world in his own skin. richards great keith how to guide to life. there is none for matt jager because he is a mystery. jeff: you realize he didn't say very much about anything. keith was the exact opposite. rich: i interviewed mick and i was like i'm getting scoops left and right. i get the tape back and it is like when you interview a pro athlete after a game. there's nothing here. you think you have a huge fish and you come back and you have a tire. he mumbles, you can understand. sometimes he would start laughing for no reason. you get those transcripts back and it was absolutely brilliant. to me those guys together of the
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rolling stones. they rip to after the first article came out. rich: they said he had gone through and counted, you mentioned keith richards 78 times pretty only mention mick jagger 32 times. that is not correct. it should be called i love keith richards and want to have his babies. jeff: you acknowledge you do want to have his babies. rich: i do want to have his babies. jeff: keith did say something to you that stuck with you and resonated. with respect to charlie watts. charlie seem to like you. what was it about that that may charlie -- i don't think he liked a lot of people. this i did end up getting easy access you don't get any
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more. -- i usedwed charlie to drive back to the hotel with charlie watts. we would have these conversations. about the civil war in american history. , i'm notd on tape going to do his accent he said charlie really likes you. you get the gold medal for that. charlie doesn't like many people. always ine brother bed listening to the party downstairs and not being allowed to leave my room i figured out how to hang out with people who were older and cooler than you and give a sense that you belong. all those skills came into play when i was hanging out with the stones. jeff: is there a moment where you come down and appreciate everything that has happened and say my gosh? rich: i was walking through new
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york city and i thought i can't believe that. at the time i was so focused. i was young. it was going to be a cover story. i idolize the rolling stone writers. i knew the history of the magazine. i won to do a good job. i was trying to act like a professional. i let myself reflect on the amazing experience much later. jeff: three your lens. rich: i have a 12 euro son. i was driving with him listening to his music. it occurred to me his music sucks. this is probably because i'm old. i'm an old guy. let me do some research. i realized it does. that way we felt about rock 'n roll when i was a kid, you would wait for the next record the way people wait for the new iphone.
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you think if it was the right record you have a chance at having a good song. it can change your life. movementgy of a whole heading somewhere in did and died. it die when kurt cobain died. this thing that was so important and was like to us a religion, it kind of died and nobody has told the whole story. i'm not old enough to have been is anhem but my age advantage to step back and see the whole big picture. there's a famous quote. you have to wait until a evening to see how glorious the day has been. that was my goal of the book. to tell the story of rock 'n the rolling stones.
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is theywhat will happen will be on stage somewhere and someone will say you died three years ago. i think they are just going to keep going and going. that is what they do. -- lennon said keith richards said there is no end of the road. jeff: so good to see you again. rich: thank you a lot. really fun. ♪
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♪ john: good evening. mark and i are here in philadelphia, not far from where hillary clinton will speak. she will address the tragic shooting of police officers in dallas last night. the last hours have brought tragedy and despair, fueling tensions in the already emotional debate over police tactics, brutality and the state of race relations in america. videos of police shootings in louisiana and minnesota earlier this week prompted

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