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john: i am john heilemann. mark: i am mark halperin. with all due respect to donald trump, your search for a running mate can become kind of confusing, even for you. mr. trump: i am narrowing it down to potentially three or four but in my own mind, i am really thinking about two. ♪ 3, 2, 1 give-and-go. steakld not be the beef season without dramatic twists and turns. donald trump ticket to dramatic heights while running is running mate search in indiana.
in the state capitol today in indianapolis at the governor's residence, donald trump at his children had breakfast at the home of one of his top vp contenders, mike pence who auditioned as donald trump number two at an audition -- rally last night. senatort gingrich and jeff sessions of alabama came to the hoosier state today for their own last-minute face to face huddles with the candidate at a downtown hotel. the candidate also reportedly called chris christie to be a finalist as well. if you are on all confused on his stance, do not worry. the candidate cleared it up today in the interview with fox news. mr. trump: the level of receptivity has been incredible and the governor has been amazing. so, we will see what happens.
newt gingrich is coming in today to see me. >> you are down to two? mr. trump: no. chris christie is someone i like. he is a total professional and a lot of people do not understand that. i am narrowing it down. i am at three and potentially four, but in my own mind, i am thinking about two. mark: john, i have been on the ground all day trying to follow the bouncing ball from indianapolis. where you are from cleveland where donald trump will speak next week, where does the running mate search stand? john: after all of the drama of morningwith the pence and we thought, maybe he is just the guy and then we learn sessions and gingrich are on the way to indiana, that the family had met with chris christie earlier, that he was on the phone earlier with donald trump today, we are not that far away from where we were 24 hours ago.
i believe we have a short list and the short list is three people, newt gingrich, chris christie, pence, and maybe sessions. --re does not seem to go does not see much to go with her. mark: i think sessions is done as a courtesy. i think the other three are somewhat in play. the thing i have been saved, and i think it is still true in a number of donald trump a have heard me say, yes, you are right on this. if he goes with the safeway, the thing that we unite the conservative movement, the thing that would allow him to be at the top of the ticket and not have the risk of a running mate that would cause distractions, he will go with governor pence. if however he goes with the people he is more comfortable with, he will go with either gingrich or christie.
both of them have known things in their political games that could be distractions. they can cause distraction by things they say or by the background and we do not know how heavily donald trump is waiting them. them.hing john: right. what paulome sense of manna for prefers. donald trump still needing to consolidate support among republicans, still having problems doing that with conservatives, hence giving him a good car to play with conservatives. paul ryan made a comment about how he would like to be reassured that donald trump is a genuine conservative. you can see the argument for know, but at the end, you looking into the eyes of people that he without just be putting on the ticket in a campaign
setting, but who they would like to govern with if they became the president of the united states is a huge thing. that gut check matters. he does not seem like a guy afraid of distractions on the basis of his campaign so far, so maybe the distraction factor will not matter so much. maybe he will say, screw it, i want to be with christie, newt gingrich is my kind of guy. mark: i think he likes the distractions. this does show the closeness he has with his family, something i have never seen at this level. john: new details are out at this hour about the lineup at the upcoming convention in philadelphia. who is number one? michelle obama, bernie sanders all expected to speak on monday night the first night of the convention. two nights later, president obama will take the stage. that is all we know. it is a hell of a lot more we know about the -- vandy
republican convention. cruz, scott walker will be be speaking. after week of waiting for the full schedule, we have got gotten it. this comes after wide speculation of security. mark, considering all of this, how likely do you think it is that the republican national convention is going to be a uck?l cluster cli mark:. they are well behind what they have been reporting. on the other hand, this is an area where donald trump can define gravity. time on thehey fill stage and stuff happens on stage that feeds the beast and keeps the action moving in the room, they will be ok. it is not that much programming. it is not 24 hours of programming, but it is a high wire thing and they are a little
bit in danger of falling off of the wire. look, that they cap yet, and i do not think you would disagree with this, it was the security issues and what happens on the streets of cleveland. given what has happened in america over the course of the last week, images of chaos, images of disorder, images that can get worse than just chaotic, that can involve violence can quickly overwhelm anything going on on the convincing stage. -- convention stage. if that happens, this could be a disaster for donald trump and his chance to become president of the united states. mark: there's not much they can do about that. if they had more time and more bandwidth amongst high command, they could be coordinating with the secret service and local police a way of giving people more confidence. just to get back to the schedule. taking the speakers is the first step, then you have to figure
out the orders people are speaking it, coordinate their presentations. they do not want another clint eastwood situation. this is an area where trump's showmanship and family could pay for what could be for a normal campaign and existential crisis. almost a week after the gala shootings that killed five police officers hillary clinton invoked president lincoln's house divided speech. her speech, which came a day after president obama's for the dallas officers urged americans to appreciate the difficult work that police do and also called for "ending the systematic racism that plagues our country or can after clinton pleaded guilty for stoking political tensions on the campaign trail herself, she took aim at her general election opponent. ms. clinton: as someone in the middle of a hotly fought political campaign, i cannot
stand here and claim that my words and actions have not sometimes fueled the partisanship that often stands in the way of progress. so i recognize i have to do better. and times like these, we need a president who can help pull us together, not split is a part. that is why i believe donald trump is so dangerous. he says that he does not win in quote,r we, and again i "will not even have a country anymore. america is not going to get any of to survive." i do not know what he is talking about. this man is the nominee of the party of lincoln. we are watching it become the party of trump. loss forot just a huge
our democracy. it is a threat to it. made the clinton campaign the remarks. sincen's first speaking donald trump claimed himself as the law and order candidate. the story is have both candidates have responded to last week was a shooting. how did clinton do? john: what she is trying to do is pretty clear, seems to be the candidate, if there is an optimistic candidate in a pessimistic canada, she wants to be the candidate of optimism, guarded optimism, realistic optimism. she wants to paint trump as a divider and also someone that traffics in the kind of apocalyptic rhetoric that is sometimes appealing to certain sections of the electric but at the end, has not ever want a general election. she has to put herself on the side of light and him on the sign of dark. she frames it relatively well
from her point of view politically today. that does not mean trump is a message is still not powerful, but she is sticking out clear ground. mark: people talk about how donald trump will not acknowledge any mistake, but clinton is not too far off. she says her imo's were a mistake but did not say what about it was a mistake. for her to say in a heartfelt way but also a shrewd tactical way that she has been part of a dialogue that might be considered divisive, i think that is smart. her argument in the end about donald trump as unreasonable is a pretty big concession to make. this see if she can keep tone up. i am not sure this speech will break through for many voters. unless she sustains the tone and ideas. john: i have to say, you cannot really know the answer to this question, but right now, especially less than a week away from all of the stuff that
happened last week in baton rouge, minneapolis and then in dallas, i think there are a lot of people in the country that wanted unifying figure, not a divisive figure and hillary clinton is betting she can be the unifier in contrast to trump. when we come back, donald trump and his picking up of a memento and battleground state polls. all of that right after this. ♪
in on these today that tells a interesting story. donald trump gaining ground on hillary clinton. the new abc news wall street poll showed donald trump type of clinton in ohio where he trails are six points a couple months ago. hillary is still ahead and a couple states like colorado where she is up by 13 and in wisconsin where she is up by six. donald trump has closed the gap in other states, including the key battleground state of florida with a university poll has him ahead. that is an 11 point swing. yesterday we told you about it bloombergpolitics poll that showed clinton with a big lead among college-educated voters. that does not usually happen for democrats. just look at all of these polls, ours from yesterday in the ones that have come out today. what are the implications of these numbers? mark: people are going to have to get used to a difference in the national polls and they polls. the political reality is great
for trump on the eve of the convention. it allows him to feel like he has momentum and argue to the delegates where there might be some wavering. this guy can win 270 electoral votes, so get in line. for the clinton folks, they are not happy about it, and on another level, they believe the biggest challenge is getting democrats, donors, activist, volunteers to believe this is a visible race into the energized --loseable race into the energized to make it a winnable race. john: in the case of many of these polls, they were conducted in the wake of the comey ruling last week where there were no recommendations for charges over the e-mail controversy, and then took her to the woodshed even as he let her off of the hook. it seems as though, for some number of voters, his criticism of clinton have sunk in because
you can see in all of these, trump has gained some ground. that is the big take away in the background states. at least in terms of timing, it seems the comey decision, although giving her a spare of prosecution, it may have hit her temporarily on the poll end. mark: if it is true that these polls represent the accurate notion that donald trump is doing better and it is the case omey thing was a factor you may say the press overemphasized donald trump was a failure. to take advantage. of course, on the other hand you can argue if he made a consistent talking point about it, he may have gotten even more of a bounce out of these polls.
mark: you could argue that. you could argue that. atw that stat --spt between donald trump and ruth bader ginsburg. she did not even want to think about the possibility of donald trump in the white house. on the day she told cnn that donald trump was "a faker and called him out for not releasing his tech returns -- tax returns." donald trump call those comments inappropriate. only the front-runner went as far to send a midnight tweet about this matter saying, justice ginsburg has embarrassed us all while making very dumb political statements about me. her mind a shot. john, is that a good idea to take this fight with the notorious rpg? -- rbg?
john: it was unusual for ginsburg to do what she did and probably inappropriate. mark: definitely inappropriate. repudiated by some democrats. justice did that to a democratic candidate, i think people -- john: if you let me finish what i was going to say, i was going to say we are on the same page. the question is whether donald trump gets much benefit after attacking her the way he is. it is one of these things where trump in a sober way to: attention and say what you just said and i just said, everyone in the world, not everyone in the world, everyone in the world who is not hopelessly partisan would say donald trump is right here. to say ginsburg has lost her mind, that is kids fighting on a schoolyard and account a place to the notion that trump's temperament may not be that great.
he can make the same point without attacking her personally. mark: if you are from the school of thought that says a lot of the selection will use the court to support your base, he wants to get the notion that the liberals on the supreme court need to be replaced by conservatives and this is going to get attention. ontoallows them to glob it. not appealing to that many people in the center but he has some people on the left criticizing ginsburg. john: i do think we should note it is an incredible fight, something we have never seen before, amazing. just amazing. of the next, we have two all-star democratic strategic mastermind's. s. they are joining us after these words from our sponsors. ♪
♪ mark: with us now from chicago obama'srvell and barack former white house communications director, anita dunn. we want to run through the people on donald trump's final list for vp. the good and bad in short about what you see with each prospect. what do you think of the prospect of trump picking mike pence? >> it could certainly help them carry indiana, perhaps which is the good. he is not exciting. he is not dynamic and he has
some real negatives from his time as governor. mark: james, what do you think? >> i think it will help the democrats carry indiana. he cannot carry the governorship, how is he going to help trump win anything? pence.oney is on you guys think mike pence is a bad idea. what about chris christie> >> he is a good running mate for donald trump. do only thing he ever had to is debate, he would do well. unfortunately, he brings his record in his personality with them. i think that outweighs his performance in the debate. john: james, do you think that is right? >> you know, it is something. he crushed marco rubio in one of
the most compelling moments in presidential debates. there is a lot of downside to go with some potential upside. the democratic vice president nominee can only win a debate is a big assumption. >> it is clear that we are agreeing this much. weird that we are agreeing this much. thinki am curious if you newt gingrich is a better option than the other two? the combinedk approval ratings, i do not think it would add up to 75%. i think this is a reflection of a deeper problem they have. guyrich is an aggressive and i guess donald trump things he could attack hillary and give him some slack to do other
things. that is all i can think of. >> it is interesting because they did have a number of potential choices that mentioned early they did not have any interest in running with donald trump. gingrichhat temperamentally is someone donald trump is comfortable with. we think that is important. nothing says future like someone that was a speaker in 1995. john: what about jeff sessions? >> i am not sure what jeff sessions brings to the ticket besides trump's ability to say something he had someone in washington that could help him with the legislator.
i think senator sessions is someone that trump seems comfortable with as well. he is very partisan, from a deep south state that will not be competitive. again, he gets and the ability to say he picked someone. >> i just think if you look at the people they are talking , if i am a republican, i should be sick about this election, the choices i have for vice president as i would be for president. i kind of think that is obvious. duo: more with the country right after this. stay tuned. back in just a moment.
last segment, we talked about trump's vice president options. let's talk about hillary clinton, the kind of conventional wisdom remains. leave tim kaine aside for a second. what is another name out there with it should be other that you think would be a good alternative to cain if she decides against him? anita: i've always in a fan of having elizabeth born on this -- war and on this ticket. -- elizabeth warren connects extremely well with voters concerned about economic inequality. i think it would be a great ticket. name yout is a would like? >> i would like a chris christie and elizabeth warren debate. that is something i would like to see. sherrod brown, tom vilsack, the castro's -- i don't think we are going to know. my guess is she's going to be
very deliberate, listen to everybody, read everything and make up her mind later. if he picks chris christie, please take elizabeth warren because that vice presidential debate would be one for the ages. [laughter] john: james, let me stay with you. if you are thinking about the running mate selection as trying to address a political problem or a vulnerability, what is the main vulnerability clinton needs to solve with a running mate selection? >> if you look at the polls and across the board that she has to show she is in it for people as opposed to herself. she has a larger motivation, which i obviously think she does. warren would help her there. a lot of college-educated republicans are hesitant to vote for trump so she may want to go in a different direction.
i don't know if that's a false operation or whatever it is, but i would up with something like that passed her. i happen to think that the democratic coalition is sufficiently ascended. if you unify it, it is pretty hard to lose the general election. if she can do that, i think she will be fine. john: what problem does she need to solve? >> she does not need to solve anywhere near the number of problems donald trump does the needs to solve for experience, ability to get things done in washington, foreign policy knowledge and basic temperament and qualifications to be president, all of which i think are unsolvable by his vice president. for secretary clinton, she could go with a candidate who is a younger generation that could really send a message about the
future and stronger together, diversity or as james said, she could look to someone that can help communicate that she really does care about people, which i like james, believes she does. that's somebody in the economic spirit like sherrod around. tim kaine is a terrific guy, a terrific campaigner, fluent in spanish and was in the peace corps, has the experience and qualifications people look for. and he would be additive to the ticket, but at the end of the day, it's who does she think should be the vice president based on her knowledge and belief on who would make a good president. she will make a good choice. mark: are you giving advice to hillary clinton these days? >> i am always giving and direct advice all of the time. [laughter] >> i think she is pretty set on going through each thing, and i just know her and i know she is going to go through this, and i think she will listen to
anything anybody has to say. the one thing that i do think she needs, having run against bernie sanders and donald trump they got on the more status quo side that she really is, because i can see more change in donald trump. i think of vice president joe nominee would send a signal there is some change coming would be very helpful. i do not know how that plays out, but i think it is something she would consider. mark: you talk to a lot of democrats in these battleground state polls which we talked about earlier in the program, the fbi announcement and other things. what is your overview about how democrats are feeling about the prospect of possibly losing to trump in this race? >> i think polls that are done in july after you have had a significant news event that was negative are not exactly polls that are predictive of what is going to happen in november. there is a lot of campaign.
trump is artificially low based on possibly be worth -- worst month of campaigning. mark: what i'm asking is our people worried or no? >> i do not think people are worried. i think people understand it is going to be a close race, that we should not be complacent. we should not take it for granted. i think democrats sometimes like a trumpet a, how can back i ever win question mark and there is a complacency we should worry about. it is a tough race out there. i do not think people are worried. i think people look at her and they see somebody that can win the debates, have a great convention and basically had on had against donald trump, she is going to win. john: james, in the wake of last week, and the wake of louisiana, i know you are familiar with that state, minnesota in dallas and all of the horrors of last week, donald trump is playing the law and order card.
it sounds a lot like nixon in 1968. is that something hillary clinton is going to have to counter directly? >> i was reading right before i came on here that he was saying that people were calling for a moment of silence for the terrific shooter in dallas, and of course no one can find him, but i do not think, i just find it hard to believe in any sense that when people are looking at the country to unify and her concern that donald trump is the go to person in this process. you know i am an adamant diehard clinton supporter, but i really mean that. i don't see how he's playing this thing anything close to the way the country is looking for. 30 great -- 38% of the country will agree with them no matter what? maybe so. but i don't anything that will expand his 38% at all. mark: we have a little bit of time left. what do you wonder about the republican convention? >> i wonder what the narrative
is really going to be. conventions are at next ordinary opportunity to present your story the way you want to present it. they have not given us any indication of what that is going to be, and so it feels like one of the greatest opportunities he is ever going to have to present his story in the way he wants to presented. the question is, can they rise up to the vacation? can they really use it the way it is supposed to be used? mark: anita dunn, james carville, thank you so much. good to talk to you. coming up, we will talk about the potentially messy rules that comes ahead of the republican convention in cleveland. and if you are watching us in washington, d.c., you you can listen to is on the radio radio at 91.1 fm. more after this. ♪
♪ john: the republican convention rules committee is scheduled to hold its first meeting tomorrow when the never trump delegates will try to free themselves from the shackles of voting for their presumptive nominee. phoniness now talk about what could be a intentionally ugly rules battle public attorney and msnbc analysts, ben ginsberg. we have been talking about this for weeks and months and we're finally almost here and it seems like the trump people thought they had this all under control until a couple days ago when we started to hear maybe they are a little worried. ben: all of this is a moving target. delegates are notoriously unreliable in terms of giving a hard count at this stage. nominee's with team is right
to worry over this. they have a lot of tools. john: if you are looking at the situation about to unfold, what will you be paying attention to to measure how it is going? ben: the temporary committee of the rnc rules will run through the whole list of rules. there are a number of test rules i suspect folks will bring up to gauge strength and there will ultimately be the attempt to amend the current rules to include the cautious cause or the unbinding clause. mark: what is propelling things in a worse direction than things are headed, which some officials suggest is happening? ben: i think it is the uncertainty of things. i think probably taking a vice presidential nominee, if it is
one that is reassuring to the delegates is one of the things that can move in the right direction and the indecision is sort of not helping matters. the fact that there was not a convention program yet suggests in a roundabout way that things are not buttoned up. i think all of those things are security to the uncertainty that means when you try to pin down delegates, they are perhaps not rocksolid and what they are saying or even worse, just not answering their phone. mark: i know it is a hard question to answer because the delegates are not monolithic, but if you assume the finalists are sessions, mike pence, dangers and christie -- gingrich, and christie, does one of them stand out question mark -- stand out? ben: i think each of them appeals to different delegates,
so the whip count gets tentative at this point. i think each of the four has the strengths and weaknesses for parts of the delicate pool. again, the way the republican party pyxis delegates is so state-by-state idiosyncratic that it makes figuring out which blocks there are of delegates to go with really challenging in a situation like this. john: even if the trump people win on the rules matters that are in play, it is also possible that a minority report could be issued out of the rules committee, correct? >> it would. john: how messy could that did, even if they get over the big hurdle of not bending the rules in the committee, how lovely could it be an chaotic could be at the minardi -- minority report gets out there? >> they are not necessarily messy.
there are minority reports all the time and house. you put a strict time limit on it, probably five minutes aside. even if the rhetoric gets heated on one side or another, it's still five minutes and then a boat. what gets messy about it is the length of time and the bulk of procedures for figuring out -- roll call procedures for figuring out that though. it is common the water for the sharks. if a minority report gets an unusually large number of votes, then there are things to do beyond the conscience clause that will be worrisome to trump. mark: much has been made about how some corporate donors are not participating in this convention. some of your fellow republican activists and strategists are not coming largely because of donald trump. viewer, for a a republican or independent around the country, is this going to come across, your media coverage as a usual, typical republican
convention or something different and not as good in terms of impacting the chances of the ticket? >> i can speak to the visuals, and i think the visuals do not reflect anything different than what is happened in the past. media coverage is unfortunately way beyond my control to judge what is actually written and said about that. the one part where not being there will matter is if on the presidential roll call vote there are a lot of delegates that try to abstain and don't come into the seats. we have not talked about that, that is not a part of the conscience clause but that is a place where you would actually see an absence of participation. john: let me ask you a broader question. you have participated in a lot of conventions, many from the inside of the nominee in running them. from inside the posture, judging the whole thing, do you think the top folks, the people running the convention have
their act together? >> it is very together from what i have seen in the platform committee and the rnc meeting today. it is a whip team that is acting very well and does have it together. it is unusual, as you know from your many years of covering conventions not to have the , program done, not to have announced the keynote. unusual and does not feel like other conventions. john: that seems like a very evenhanded analysis. thank you for coming here and giving it. you will be back. coming up, we will be back with our reporters notebooks in cleveland after this. ♪
john: here with us now in cleveland for more on the republican convention next week is our bloomberg politics reporter and a reporter from the "new york times." it is great to see the two of you. you report on social justice and really interesting topics that have become particularly pertinent as of late. talk about open carry any laws that pertain to the state and what that might mean for the security the republicans are facing here. guest: the open carry law means they can ban stops -- stuff like backpacks that are too big. they cannot ban guns like the ar-15. and around the state, they can come carrying the weapons outside, openly, and a holster as long as you can see them. they do not need a permit.
when you could potentially see is a lot of people with a lot of guns and they could have them loaded or unloaded and a lot of people are worried about that. i wrote a story about people passionsfter dallas, were already high with donald trump and that you have guns out invisible. john: not just confusion but fear and paranoia. groups. are the southern wall poverty center describes them as a extreme militant right group and are there to protect people, to help the police officers do their job and you basically should somebody if things get out of hand. i should say there is a big celebration rally on monday and they are trying to ban people from carrying long arms in there. whether that is rifles or
ar-15's. have ablem, they do permit for the park and they can kick people out, but you can imagine if someone has a loaded ar-15 and worst told not to come in, it is going to be really hard. bender, let's talk about your general sense of the trump campaign's relationship to the rnc, the delegates in this event. >> yes, mark. i have been talking to some delegates and rnc members around the city here working on the platform committee, getting ready for rules coming up for the rnc meeting, and i am very excited to be here in cleveland. it is my hometown and it is an exciting time but i'm not getting the same excitement from delegates, rnc members, particularly the people putting the platform together yesterday. they have no reason to believe donald trump will be campaigning on any of the issues they have set. foxx wasative virginia
aftert to tears yesterday putting this platform committee together and there is just a disconnect between delegates and the candidate. i talked to some folks that said, we are building our platform and he is running the campaign and that is just the way things will be. not a lot of real excitement there and asking them about what they like about donald trump, a lot of folks say, well, he is not clinton. i think that could be an effective political message but i do not take that reflects much excitement. mark: talk a little bit more about the chain of command. you obviously have secret service, state law enforcement, the city. talk about, if violence does break out, what is your sense of who takes the lead on that and how things play out? >> my sense is who takes the lead part of the cleveland please.
-- police. i am told by several law enforcement officers and judges that they expect arresting documents to be filled out by cleveland police officers. the officers coming away from as far away as california, florida, they will be coming here in understanding the cleveland police department is the lead and they will be following their procedures for excessive force. i should say, in this case, the cleveland police department is being watched by the department of justice because they have been seen to use repeatedly excessive force. the locals are in charge but is a -- it is ultimately the doj watching closely. about thent to ask delegates on down. und.bo are they looking for a victory?
>> what they are going to count as a victory is if they can convince people, it is the education process. they want to talk about the process which is the primaries should just be a data point and how they ultimately decide to vote on the floor of the convention, which to me is an inherent flaw in this argument and has been since the beginning. if you are not for trump, it seems to me you have to be for someone, but they want to talk about the process, talk about how to pull the party together, and if it leads to someone other than trump, great, but hard to motivate a lot of folks in the process, even in cleveland. john: who is donald trump going to pick? >> gingrich. >> i think gingrich. john: thank you and we will be right back. ♪
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