tv Charlie Rose Bloomberg July 25, 2016 7:00pm-8:01pm EDT
♪ announcer: from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. turley bank we begin this evening with the republican national convention in cleveland and look back at what happened after the four days there. we begin with the acceptance speech by donald trump. donald: isis has spread across the region and the world. is in ruins and our ambassador and his staff were at thelpless to die
hands of savage killers. egypt was turned over to the radical muslim brotherhood, forcing the military to retake control. is in chaos, iran is on the path to nuclear weapons. in civil warlfed and a refugee crisis now threatens the west. after 15 years of wars in the middle east, after trillions of dollars spent and thousands of lives lost, the situation is worst. this is the legacy of hillary clinton. terrorism,ruction, and weakness. [applause]
legacy doeston's not have to be america's legacy. now,roblems we face poverty and violence at home, war and destruction at a -- and destruction of broad will last only as long as we continue relying on the same probably same politicians who created them in the first place. a change in leadership is required to produce a change in outcomes. the speech closed the four-day convention, marked by moments of surprise, controversy, and party disunity. a campaign message appealing directly to average americans who feel they have been left behind in the 21st century. day i wake up determined to deliver a better life for the people all across that have been
ignored, neglected, and abandoned. i have visited the laid off factory workers and the communities crushed by our trade deals.unfair these are the forgotten men and women of our country. they are forgotten, but they are not going to be forgotten long. these are people who work hard, but no longer have a voice. i am your voice. [applause] darkie: trump painted a image of america. during his presidency law and order would be restored. he placed blame for america's
crisis on his opponent hillary clinton. america is far less safe and the world is far less safe than when obama made the decision to put hillary in charge of america's foreign-policy. in november.her hillary clinton was expected to announce her numbing -- announce her running mate after this interview. joining me is -- from abc news. i'm pleased to have you at the table. welcome. some week. record,e set a new longest acceptance speech of the modern era. he had a choice to drill down or reach out and he chose to drill down. explicit they were emulating not ronald reagan and the city on the hill but richard nixon, 1968.
and was a speech on law order, talking about the forgotten americans, this was a direct echo of richard nixon. merlie: what was amazing to was in terms of one of the biggest applause lines was i am your voice. guest: unbelievable. groups did notus rate well with that crowd, but not with those outside. charlie: what else rated well outside? guest: one of the key moment was when you heard those chance of lock her up. trump waited and said let's defeat her. took some of the energy out of the room. that is the message that is going to appeal to hard-core. lock her up is not an appeal to independent voters.
charlie: trump had been able to go to the head of that movement, always saying he is a messenger. it is like this campaign is the coming together of a movement that was already there and a man who was already a celebrity and well known. guest: look what happened since. this is the context in which he called a verych, dark's, not an optimistic speech. you have had the terrorist attacks in istanbul and nice, you had the horror in orlando. the police shootings in dallas and baton rouge, the police shootings by police. over 70% of the country saying we are on the wrong track.
that is what he is channeling into. that is not a democratic or republican thing either. he's saying not only something is wrong with our politics but our establishment. guest: even the fight with ted cruz, which was a colossal distraction, and make no mistake it infuriated him. great entrance as ted cruz was getting booed off. he decides to hold a press conference to go after ted cruz. when have we seen this? it would be like jimmy carter launching a new fight with ted kennedy after he beat him. he defended what he said about , tying him toher the kennedy assassination, talking about the national enquirer, which had that story as a publication that deserves pulitzers.
he said of ted cruz decided to endorse him he would not expect that he would not accept him -- ted cruz to set it him he would not accept him. is the reason, he said, he lied about me, lied about my family, lied about my wife, therefore i could never endorse him. so where is the campaign go from here? guest: i spoke with people close , who are visibly beside themselves. there is no apparent plan. is such a fascinating campaign because it is unlike any other national campaign. charlie: it was one man in question his own drive. guest: one moment that blew me away, the culmination of this "youe convention, he plays can't always get what you want."
that was there don't stop believing moment, you can't always get what you want. and maybe the theme song of this entire campaign. don't know how all this will affect the timing of hillary clinton's vice presidential announcement. she certainly don't have much time, but they would like to see some of this sink in. charlie: if some but he also is making a mistake, don't jump in. guest: i think most of the commentary on this convention and his speech was about how negative and dark it was and how it failed to offer any kind of hopeful vision, city on a hill.
he has tapped into something here. charlie: none of us know how big it is. we know some of the elements of it. he listed some of those grievances. he listed similar kind of grievances on the brexit vote. all we know it is not just within the republican party, and he hopes he can use that to appeal to a much wider constituency. and he believes they can reach out to latinos and others, even though they are part of the expected constituency of the democratic party, and he has done things about immigration to offend them. he hopes he can make an economic argument. guest: we have seen dominant republican politics for so long. certainly republican conventions. the culture wars are gone. candidate who won
the evangelical vote against all odds. said last night i may not have deserved it, but he wanted to thank them and he said it made all the difference. addressing be there the convention as a nominee without their support. guest: largely absent from that convention. charlie: this would be part of what he has talked about? guest: never been a part of history. look at the timing, north carolina. making the decision not to have the all-star game because of the transgender bathroom issue. all the anger about gay marriage, no mention of that. these were issues that were animating the republican primary , never from donald trump. >> what about the idea of republican unity? that has to do with ted cruz's and this since -- ted cruz's
ambitions in four years. guest: the calculation is donald trump will go down in flames, that this will be a horrific defeat for republicans in november. campaign becomes nasty and negative, you can look back and say i couldn't support him for all the reasons you are saying now. guest: that is a calculation a lot of republicans have made. john kasich decided not to step foot in that. what cruises banking on his being able to say others stayed away. i tried to stand up. -- ld charlie: i told you to vote your conscience. jonathan: exactly. we don't know how to play it out.
there is real anger at ted cruz, even those who don't like donald trump. i had a republican tell me after ted cruz's speech, i was in for trump but now i am. it is ted cruz and it was seen as classless. it was seen about ted cruz. the other thing to do would be sickly not show up, which is what john kasich and the bush family did. does donald trump need the republican party? he has none of that. his argument is i have never had any of that and i don't need it now. guest: even if he has the republican party fully in all of him, hecture behind
isn't going to have anywhere near what the democrats and hillary clinton has. whether it is on advertisement spending our ground troops, it is not can't because of that -- not going to be because of that. charlie: he expects him to be even if not a little bit ahead in terms of the impact of what happened in cleveland. he says i expect lou clinton will be even and maybe a little bit ahead after her convention. even or: even being ahead his darkly is not enough. michael dukakis came out of his convention ahead at 17 points and he had a terrible campaign. campaignalso the bush attack on him. jonathan: their approaches to that silent majority. their wide swaps in the middle class that have been left
behind. and his appeal on the system is rigged, we have had terrible trade deals, these are not traditional republican messages. charlie: his daughter introduced him in a very interesting speech. she talked about pay equity, a lot of issues people thought were quality issues. jonathan: all the issues you would expect from the democrats. todaye: and we talk about because of the nature of his speech. jonathan: i think every line in that speech, it was not about her father -- charlie: there's also this sense the family did very well. the father and the mother as well have to take some credit.
>> that speech was -- jonathan: that speech was interesting because that was a very political speech. that was a speech that i thought could have been given by paul ryan. except better delivered. could have been a keynote speak. little ronald reagan in there. trump gave another strong speech. charlie: people in the hall loved the speech. controversy the over lifting from michelle obama. jonathan: it's crazy to say those passages were lifted from michelle obama and have that out there. and then two days later, yes it was.
charlie: if they simply said we made a mistake we are starting. jonathan: it would have been a benefit, refreshing honesty. charlie: some look at what he said last night and said he's not going to change. why should we except him to change during this campaign, and though paul manafort other republican leaders want to see him change because they think it is important to the overall success of their senate and house candidates? he did change to a degree. did you hear lion hillary in that speech? did you hear mexico -- sorry, crooked hillary. there was no name-calling. there was no mention of mexico
paying for the wall. he didn't talk about mexico paying for it. he got lots of applause and his rallies but gets ridiculed. charlie: foreign policy? jonathan: one part of his speech that was updated was the riff on nato. everything in this campaign is so unlike campaigns we have covered in the past. he had to give a 45 minute interview to new york times in the middle of his convention. charlie: which was one they have to pay their fair share, which president obama has said. and some do that. there is aning attack on the baltic states from russia. i have to look at their contribution before i make a decision. jonathan: it's a fundamental aspect.
charlie: what stories are out there in terms of what out there? paul manafort, who runs the campaign, who has his year? jonathan: it is amazing that campaign infrastructure has not set the -- has not significantly grown. were 73 paid staffers compared to several hundred for hillary clinton. he has broadened a bit. we saw mike flynn is his key advisor, national security advisor. the sense that he has significantly widened his circle of advisers. nude anchorages so many he listens to. is somebody heh listens to. men afford his running that campaign.
-- paul manafort is running that campaign. charlie: chris christie wanted to become vice president. ofathan: it sounded like one those interviews from the apprentice when you are talking about somebody who's about to get fired. really remarkable. and kristi gave a very fiery speech, a very aggressive speech. it was the speech that led to those chance of -- those chanctts of lock her up. he absolutely has to win the debate. case andosecuted the they did this at their convention. prosecuted the case against hillary clinton. the negatives are historically
high. republicans we would talk about republicans being favored. he has got to be able to the most negative campaign. >> he shouldn't have doubts about whether he would be the most dangerous man in terms of national security? jonathan: doubts about his temperament, doubts about his seriousness. such negative numbers, traditionally you would say that he has a chance to win. this is an appeal to the silent majority. i think that is why they were explicitly -- charlie: the system is rigged but you can protect yourself but
i can protect you. whatever the problem is i can fix it and i am on your side, it is about you not me. the campaign had an element to it that says are you with her. the question is i'm with you. which is smart. jonathan: this is going to be a tough campaign. he goes into this as the absolute clear front runner across the board for all of those reasons, the way to map has changed for republicans. she goes the clear underdog in this campaign. if you look at what he has to to 70 to elect oral votes, he has to win ohio, he has to win florida, he has to way toginia or find a find states that republicans haven't carried in a generation.
paul manafort was saying connecticut and oregon. early bank is he so different that he can do things other republicans haven't been able to do? in a place where there is clear discontent and concerns about the economy and concerns about the decline of the middle class, that that is larger than we understand. jonathan: you had all that was going on in terms of race riots, the assassination of king and .ennedy you have the vast antiwar protest and he spoke about the non-chowder, the non-protester. the country we are today? i don't know. clearly that's where we are today, clearly there are people who believe that. you would assume the way he has
he was at one speed during that entire speech. it was fast forward throughout the entire speech. really did he become softer and reflect. reflect more on who he was. jonathan: you are 70 minutes into the speech before talking about who his family was. charlie: jonathan karl from abc news. stay with us in a moment.
♪ roger ailes resigned yesterday as chairman of fox news channel and fox news network. this comes as gretchen carlson filed against him earlier this month. more than a dozen women have come forward with allegations against him for sexual harassment. up themurdoch has taken position of chairman. joining me now, the national editor at "new york" magazine. he has been a leave reporter on this story from the beginning. where are we now? you told me you were in
cleveland and have been writing all night. guest: the latest is that fox news is trying to figure out what will be in the post roger ailes era. we should look back and note that he created fox news in his image. network with an iron fist and shaped every facet of the network from the talent see on camera to the message you here out of the anchors'mouth. now there is a sense of chaos and disarray. people there some today. there is no unification and they are waiting to see what comes next. who ultimately is installed as the replacement. right now, rupert murdoch is an interim model -- role. charlie: is there a likely candidate from inside fox news? guest: there are two internal
candidates. bill shine, he would be seen as a continuation of the right-wing, conservative style programming. if they wanted to go any news direction, there two candidates. straight type news instinct, and another is an executive. air ball that fox right now -- they are both at fox right now. also looking at the larger rupert murdoch empire. from the new york post, a man who has known rupert murdoch since college. also rebekah brooks. he has been trying to
rehabilitate her since the phone hacking scandal in the u k. he has been showing her the ropes, possibly as a replacement for roger ailes. reports there are some that some of the anchors at fox have in their contract that there,iles, if he is not they have an option to leave. is that correct? guest: that is correct that they have out clauses. but what is not correct is that the narrative roger ailes pushed, that it would lead to a mass exodus. was inces tell me that negotiation tactic to put pressure on murdoch.
stock prices are dependent on the success of fox news. it is the single most profitable division in rupert murdoch's conglomerate. was thatr ailes said if you left, he could take the whole thing down with him. but that was posturing. i talked with people at the network, and all of the key areors, none of them plotting or organizing and next is. what can you tell us about the nature of the relationship that took place during the negotiations? the law firm was doing the investigation. was it amicable? did roger ailes understand the circumstances he was in and sibley was trying to come under his contract, negotiate the best deal, or was it more hostile? hostile. was much more i think we need to step back for
a moment and remind everyone who roger ailes is. from anever backed down fight. this is an unprecedented development in his career. he is one of the most ruthless, tough, brilliant, fascinating figures who have dominated the american political and media stage. he went into this fight --ecting to play by his a traditional playbook. in the wake of gretchen carlson's lawsuit, he rallied people to his side, they spoke out to the press the announcing the allegations. that was one of his critical errors. it sent a signal to rupert murdoch that he was trying to use the assets of fox against the interest of the corporate parent, and this outside law firm was finding enough damaging allegations in their own internal investigation, that murdoch sent the signal to roger
ailes that if you want to use that playbook, we will destroy you. the new york post, the only reason rupert murdoch owns it is so that he can do things like picture on thes' front page. , if was his message that you want to make this ugly, we can do that. 't that point, roger ailes attorneys came back to the table to renegotiate. , but there wasly a. of days it could've gotten very ugly. charlie: there was also a rumor i heard in cleveland without any confirmation that roger ailes become aning -- may advisor to the donald trump
campaign. guest: there is a lot of speculation. i have covered the donald trump campaign. the rumor is grounded in fact. we know that donald trump and roger ailes are longtime friends. they speak regularly. donald trump was advising roger ailes in the weight of gretchen carlson's lawsuit, giving advice on how to navigate a scandal. roger ailes has offered donald trump political advice during the campaign. we know the relationship exist. what we don't know, and i want to do more reporting on this, is whether donald trump would formally take roger ailes on as a media strategist. women trump numbers with are totally upside down. you have to imagine the optics of donald trump bringing on as his chief media strategist a man who wishes come out of a highly public and highly damaging sexual-harassment scandal.
that is not to say that roger ailes will not be on the phone to donald trump advising him personally and privately. i got a message from somebody this morning he said they heard many echoes of roger ailes in donald trump speech last night. -- this thing could be true, that he might not a formal advisor, but he would have a role to play. charlie: this is the role he is played before, both for nixon and bush. guest: yes, he signed on as richard nixon's chief media and television advisor. nince then, he is been a advisor to scores of republicans. to presidents, he advised ronald reagan in 1984 in debate prep. he has been the single most successful republican media operative of the last 50 years. that donalde sense
trump, facing a showdown with hillary clinton, would want to tap into that expertise. know aboutat do we the evidence that came out from the law firm investigation, and how can you confirm that? guest: i myself have interviewed women who have spoken to the corporate law firm hired to the inquiry. i have also interviewed a dozen women who have had experiences with roger ailes where they allege he sexually harassed them through the years, including a fox news. i can tell you as a reporter, and i've written a biography of roger ailes -- we should back up. when the story broke in early july when gretchen carlson filed suit, sadly i was not surprised. in my biography, i detailed multiple instances of alleged actual harassment by roger ailes. women spoke on the record with
their full names attached, describing in detail these incidents. it is not news that i have reported this before, it is news that a high-profile fox anchor would make them public. that was what was new. not surprise me. i've interviewed these women at length. i find their stories to be highly credible. my sources close to the investigation said that the lawyers find it highly credible. we don't know what evidence they have, but we know he was serious enough that they went to the murdoch's, and said he has to be moved out of position. most of the allegations recent, or back in the 80's and early 90's? next. it is the we are many recent allegations of sexual harassment by roger ailes at fox news, into the 2000s.
i broke the story and i think it really drove it. i was shocked, megyn kelly, fox star.iggest you did an interview with her. she is one of the breakout media stars of this election cycle. during the investigation, she herself went to the investigators and said that in the mid-2000 when she was a fox'scorrespondent in the washington bureau, roger ailes made multiple unwanted sexual advances toward her. foxhas been calling former news colleagues and female employees and encouraging them to speak to the lawyers. this is pretty explosive. this is a case where the murdoch family have to make a choice. megyn kelly is the future, in some ways, a fox news. she is a breakout star, she
reaches a younger demographic. she came out and said, this happened to me and i know it happened to others. scandal anded the forced them to go to roger ailes and say, let's get this done. charlie: it was interesting not just what she said, it that you have confirmed that she initiated the approach to the law firm. .uest: yes sources i know close to the investigation say it was incredibly brave. we should point out that megyn kelly is a former corporate lawyer did she is a very tough and savvy woman. she knows of these investigations work. as a lawyer herself, she felt it was her obligation to make sure all of the evidence was on the record. charlie: is what these people did in terms of talking to the lawyers, are these legal up -- legal depositions? a lawyer myself, so i don't know how they would
be formally classified. they were interviews, some in person and someone a telephone. in the early stages of the investigation, the lawyers were doing the interviews at the fox news offices in midtown manhattan. what they were finding was that the subjects were not forthcoming and the interviews were not producing usable evidence. they moved the interviews out of the fox news office into the law offices in manhattan because they felt that the feeling inside of fox news, the lawyers felt that roger ailes might have bugged the rooms. it had a chilling effect on the types of evidence they were hearing. once the interviews moved out of fox news to the losses, the material started to come forward. megyn kelly came forward. then they had a body of evidence that force them to say, we really need to get this deal done. charlie: let's talk about the
people that are involved in the corporate structure at 21st century. clearly the sons of rupert murdoch are playing a increase green -- increasingly important role. what role do they plan this? from the moment the story broke, it has all the elements of a television show. , we're in thewer middle of a presidential election. it is about a family dynasty. rupert murdoch, 85 years old, hitting the reins to his -- handing the reins to his children. and it has sex. all of these factors exploded this week in cleveland. twoou point out, the murdoch sons moved into code leadership positions in the conglomerate, and they had a complicated and strange relationship with roger ailes through the years.
james in particular has been driving this from the beginning. the moment he heard the allegations, he went to his father and said we need to hear -- take this seriously. remember that james himself was a casualty of the phone hacking scandal. he knows what can happen when a scandalmetastasize -- metastasizes. he was trying to staunch the bleeding. he wanted to get it taken care of before engulfed him and the corporate structure. charlie: let me close by talking about, you wrote the book that i talked about in the introduction. you talked about how good and ugh roger ailes was in building this network. guest: when i set out to write the book, it was not going to be
a biography, it was going to be history of fox news. what i learned in the course of ," reporting and research jumped out at me. in one interview, roger ailes had told an interviewer, i don't this network from my life experience. and that jumped out at me. who was the man who created this phenomenon who revolutionized american politics and media in the late 20th century? man, his life story traces the arc of the fusion of television and politics and entertainment. is fact that donald trump the republican nominee and possibly the next president of the united states is a testament to roger ailes' power. donald trump is a media celebrity. he communicates through the medium of television and social media. of the foursult
years of roger ailes using the tactics of mechanics of television to communicate conservative messages. he did it for richard nixon, he did it for republican congressman, he did it in the 1980's getting george h.w. bush elected. from the moment he found it fox news, use the message to remake the republican party in his image. roger ailes is from war and ohio.-- wareen, he is protectionist, he is wary of immigrants. he is socially conservative but brash. is very populist. that's our politics, from the very beginning is what fox news engineered. they remained the republican party. takeover of hostile the republican party was facilitated because of the media message that roger ailes was
programming into millions of households every day. i think that will be part of his legacy, that he has remade american politics in his image. when we look back, if you want to understand american politics over the last 40-50 years, i think he is a central protagonist in that story. murdoch he and rupert have certainly combined media and politics very powerfully. guest: yes. i think what is interesting is that rupert murdoch is a brilliant businessman and a his ownrman, but by admission he does not understand the television industry. he needed a creative genius like roger ailes to translate his desire for national influence into the medium of television. roger ailes delivered on that beyond rupert murdoch's wildest imagination. gabriel reports for new
york magazine. one question about the convention. you were there. as you watched donald trump last night, what is your sense of how well that came in terms of his objectives? know, it was not a unifying speech. i think the objective, and i have been writing this since super tuesday, there is going to be no. pivot. the idea that we will see a different donald trump is not happening. his advisers have said that they are running a 1968 law and order , silent majority campaign. he's going to try to galvanize and mobilize his core of disaffected voters, who see the violence in protest and are
turned off by that, and see the disaffection from the coastal elites. he is banking that he can mobilize that. i think it is a risky strategy. -- the speech last night solidified that. it was a very scary speech. you're not going to do that on the night when you have the nation's attention at your coronation. i can't see them doing it after labor day. charlie: he drilled down rather than reach out. exactly. i think that will be the playbook from here until november. i think next week in philadelphia, we will see hillary's idea, and if she goes for the safe vice president of choice, she will try for the middle and reach out for the voters. she will say that the message the donald trump is selling is not for us. charlie: thank you for joining
not be similar. i think a lot of people walked into the u.k. and voted for brexit, making a decision, and they will up the next morning and said, oh really? we really do have to vote -- we've now that's leave now? we will see if people in november really think that donald trump can check up the system. in the world to him, it would be businessman and his family. he has disdain for the entire process. it is supposed to encapsulate everything, the electoral system. the shining moment on the hill. he is treating it like it is something he has to get through. charlie: he is an unnatural leader of a significant groundswell in the body politic
of america. guest: i don't know if i would call him a leader. we're just trying to wake up and realize how much power we each have as individuals. more power than at the beginning of humanity. social media is allowing us to find other people who are as angry as we are about the same things. that is what happened in britain. guest: three months ago, mr. trump was discussing how the united states would pull back from nato, from japan and korea. yesterday, he went a step beyond. i asked him, imagine for a wentt that the russians into one of the baltic republics. charlie: not unimaginable. guest: certainly not. they are thinking about it every day as they watch the russian bomber runs and submarines.
and he said that he would not automatically come to their defense. he said he would take a look and decide what their contribution to nato and us have been. he was putting an economic test, whether they were spending enough, ahead of the article five commitment that all members , that anign up for attack on one is an attack on all. guest: i think there are still some questions that need to be teased out workshop stands. -- where trump stands. the issue that he is going to have this individual test with individual countries, or something broader, that we have an alliance and the burden is on america. this is a reform movement
that is bigger than the republican party. --e been involved in a politics starting with nixon. bushes are not here, that is because they are about themselves. charlie: romney is not here, either. guest: the people are discrediting the american people. they had their shot. charlie: is the party united? guest: i think it is. there has been a lot of talk, especially last night about ted cruz. but look, he came out. whether he supports donald or not is not terribly relevant. it has been an exciting week. charlie: he told the delegates to vote their conscience. guest: i don't think that is all that relevant. if you look at what has gone on this week, and it has been exciting, i've been here from
monday. the energy at this convention is extraordinary. if you look at what donald trump has done to the party and his contribution in bringing new people to the party, it is extraordinary. guest: hillary is the second most unpopular candidate ever to be nominated by major party. in frontreason she is is because she is running against the first most of -- most unpopular candidate. i think our system is broken. wehave a two party system, are nominating a candidate that does not have a national appeal brought enough to unify the country. broken and this is the result of it. charlie: having looked at presidential campaigns, help us understand how they come out of the convention.
there is labor day, then there is the debate. what happens within those. third guest: you come out of your convention with the plan. then you try to go and defined the other people so that the choice favors you, and then you try to survive the debate. historical playbook where you spend money to define the republican in a negative way. hillary is doing that right now. ♪