tv Charlie Rose Bloomberg July 27, 2016 7:00pm-8:01pm EDT
♪ >> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." welcome to the program, day two of the democratic national convention in philadelphia. over my shoulder, you can see the podium where hillary clinton will accept the nomination and make her speech on thursday night. earlier this evening, her husband spoke about her. president clinton: one day, i was driving her to the airport when we passed this little break house that had a for sale sign on it. she said, boy, that's a pretty house. it had 1100 square feet, and
attic fan and no air conditioner in hot arkansas, and a screened in porch. commented onon what a uniquely designed in beautiful house it was, so i took a big chance. i bought the house. [applause] president clinton: my mortgage was $170 a month. when she came back, i picked her up and she said -- and i said, remember that house you liked? she said yeah. i said i bought it, you have to marry me now. [laughter] president clinton: the third time was a charm. [cheering and applause] president clinton: we were married in that little house on october the 11th, 1975. friend.d my best
i was still in all after -- in more than four years of being around her, at how smart and caring she was. charlie: we continue our coverage from philadelphia. hillary clinton became the first woman to be nominated for president of the united states. the vermont delegation asked clinton's nomination to be accepted unanimously through acclamation. the first night featured powerful speeches from first lady michelle obama, as well as senator bernie sanders and elizabeth warren. they will be followed today by president bill clinton. schieffer, a bob political contributor at cbs news and former host of open face the nation." -- of "face the nation." also, john dickerson. we are taping this before bill
clinton's speech this evening. there is high anticipation. we can talk about bill clinton as well, but i want to begin with, what is worth noting in this convention so far? we have noticed bernie sanders' speech, elizabeth warren's remarkable speech. we saw conflict with the bernie sanders delegates up until today, maybe continuing outside the arena now. to start, this was supposed to be a grand show of unity and happiness. in contrast with what happened in cleveland, kind of that dark view of america that came out of that conviction. all of a sudden, what nobody was anticipating, this e-mail mess popped up with the democratic national committee before the end of the day yesterday. debbie wasserman schultz, the head of the dnc was out. people were demandingall kinds of things, including that
he would speak during the primetime hour at 10:00. they were not going to do that, all that was changed. he did. it started in chaos, but by the end of the night, there was a sense of unity. abouter what john thinks this -- i think it was actually michelle obama's speech. it was kind of moving that way. , saidsilverman, the comic hey, you guys, this is ridiculous, and that was kind of the start. charlie: and she was a bernie supporter. then when but michelle obama got up there, the whole tenor of this took on a different tone. from there on in, it was hillary clinton's night. charlie: do you agree, john? john: i think that is exactly right. michelle obama was the turning point. she is not an elizabeth warren or a bernie sanders, not a hillary clinton person.
she is a neutral voice. they did what they could not do at the republican convention, which is have a person with a lot of power walk in and validate the nominee. -- when shebout said "i live in a house that was built by slaves," that brings a moral weight to the conversation that nobody else can bring. she talked about her daughters. it was beautifully written. and she testified to hillary clinton's grit, testified to her as a baton carrier of her husband's legacy and presidency, and then talked about her children, her daughters growing up under a female president and how powerful that would be, and i think that settle things down. then elizabeth warren and bernie sanders came and testified for hillary clinton, kind of finishing it off a bit. bob: there were people in the hall last night who, after michelle obama's speech's charlie:, said maybe we made a mistake.
that speech would have done -- charlie: that speech would have done as much for her as it did for barack obama in 2004. she also said she trusts hillary clinton. john: michelle obama conjuring an emotional reaction to hillary -- you would not be able to expect anybody to give a speech so emotionally powerful about hillary clinton, given what has often been said about her. she was testifying to her trust, but also her doggedness, the fact that she has shown repeatedly that she knows what it is like to be in the public eye and be criticized. she also rebuked on trump without saying his name several times. she brought her daughters on stage and then rebuked trump and the things she said about her husband with her daughteras as the greek chorus -- her daughters as the greek chorus, listening. charlie: she criticized trump ing his name,on
questioning his fate as well. john: we maybe forget, but trump was the chief further in america birther in america for a long time. bob: and when she said "i trust her," that was outlining may be the most serious problem hillary clinton has to overcome if she is to become president. thatatest survey showed 67% of the people do not consider her entirely trustworthy. she has got to find a way, i don't know what that way is -- she has got to find a way to change it. charlie: bill clinton will speak to that tonight, i bet. john: true, although we don't know. his nickname was slick willie for a reason. it will be fascinating to see how much he can change that. if they can't fix the trust thing and say, you may not trust her, but look at all these other qualities she has. she cares about children, the
disabled, families, and maybe minimize the negative. charlie: barack obama will be here tomorrow night. what does he have to do? bob: i think he will give her a wholehearted endorsement. i think she will say she has been -- he will say that she has been in positions of trust and handle them trustworthy really -- trustworthily. and is to get past this, don't know if she can get past it entirely. -- they might stress other things she has good at -- she is good at. charlie: she has to address it herself. john: she does, big ways and small. she could do it head on. people say i am not trustworthy, and i really regret that in anything i may have done to contribute to that. other times, she has just reanimated the problem, because it is not her natural instinct
politically to let it all hang out. she is not a betty ford model first lady, who was brutally honest. charlie: and hillary clinton will talk about hillary clinton, a former president about a former first lady. this is a very different than a credit party than the party bill clinton led in night -- different democratic party them the party bill clinton led in 1992. that.o question about it has moved to the left on many things. charlie: is that the mood of the country? bob: i'm not sure, but what seems to happen, when one party moves to the right or more to the left, the other party seems to move further -- if one party moves to the right, the other party seems to move further to the left. in the state of texas, where the republican party is very, very conservative, you've got a democratic party now that is much more liberal than it ever
was in the time of, say, lyndon johnson. twospace between the parties seems wider than ever, and i think we are seeing that in some of the european democracies, and there is no question we are seeing it here. charlie: there is populism rising, -- he found the third wave, that's what the whole thing was. he was going to move the party back to the middle. charlie: strong fiscally, but sensitive on social issues. bob: if you look at trade and ande, there is now left right consensus that trade is not so great. we are not sure where the country is on that, but there is a new left-right consensus on it. people lose their jobs and lose their sense of place. john: and the cranes that will clinton -- the claims that bill
clinton made for nafta did not turn out to be a big winner. the other winner is criminal justice. consensus on the left and right that the criminal justice system has gone overboard. bill clinton nearly boasted about the death penalty at the time he exercised in arkansas in 1992 to show that he was up on crime. no democrat whatever talk about being supportive of the death penalty in that way anymore. charlie: interestingly, tim kaine had a number of people executed when he was governor of virginia. john: yeah, but he is not boasting about that. charlie: let's talk about that, is he a good choice? bob: i think he is and i want choice. she needs to move back to the center. i think competence and trustworthiness are the things. the familiarity with some of these institutions that have been the foundation of our national security. charlie: bob gates has said a number of times that the one quality every president has had
is temperament. is key.mperament if you look at michelle obama's speech, she touched every single box. she mentioned the nuclear code. marco rubio said he would not trust donald trump with the nuclear codes. they are basically doing what johnson did to goldwater in 1964. this is a reckless person with thin-skinned. he will be tweeting and flying off the handle. that temperament issue is critical to his attack -- to their attack against him. it is too much change, and that is what they will try to argue. charlie: he is doing quite well in the polls. he is not winning. a pointen, or maybe up or two thing. she might get a pop after her conviction. but many people are surprised that donald trump is where he is. are you surprised? bob: i was one of the few people have thought he was going to get the nomination, and said so.
thoughthat i thought, i that people were really upset and frustrated, and we had a government that was doing nothing. government is to improve the lives of the citizens. if it does not do that, then you don't need to have it. people elect people, they go to washington, nothing happens, and the politicians spend most of their time gunning people for money, nothing happens. it just happens over and over again. there are a lot of people in this country who feel they are being mistreated, and along comes donald trump with a lot of .olutions well, i will fix that, i will take care of that. charlie: negotiate with the chinese? good, but it sounds then you have to say, how are you going to do that?
i will just say one thing here, we are not going to tell the chinese what to do. they are not just sitting there waiting for us. every one of these actions will cause a reaction. that i thinkasons the pacific trade partnership is a good thing is because it brings our allies in the world together and shows that we are one for all and all for one. charlie: is this going to be a debate in which there is not much talk about trade and economic policy, but more about personality? i will make this a referendum on her, or i will make this a referendum on hand? -- on him? hillary clinton should not be president, donald trump should not be president.
they will talk about the issues, but that will always be the gut level thing going on. the trump campaign can do one thing to drive up her negatives, if they canthat convince the people that she is worse than him, they can win. i think you will see the same thing on the other side. if you can drive up his negatives and convince people that he is worse than she is, that will help. that is what it will come down to. currently, this is not going to be an election that we will be proud of. charlie: but it could be a campaign where we look back and say it was a disruption of american politics and changed american politics forever. bob: it may well, but i will tell you for sure what it is going to be. it will be one of the dirtiest, nastiest campaigns that we have had in a long time. , --: on the republican side
there is not a real bench on the democratic side. if hillary clinton loses, who steps up to represent the kind of old-fashioned bill clinton wing, which is not such a wing anymore? a small little edition. on the republican side, you don't know whether it will be more chaos of donald trump wins or loses, because if he wins, there is a big chunk of the party that will not want to go work for him. think of the foreign policy establishment on the republican side. they are all endorsing hillary clinton. there is a split on the republican side. a lot of people are already positioning for a post-trump twirled, because they recognize the country is changing. charlie: including ted cruz. john: ted cruz among many. i think our political infrastructure in this country is in worse shape than our roads and bridges. what has happened is the system has been so overwhelmed by money
that serious people just don't want to campaign -- people think campaign reform is about politics. it is hard to get them to understand the connection that it is about them. thing aboutazing donald trump is that as much as he beats up upon the system, he does not have a reform agenda. ross perot had a similar thing. he was going to do all kinds of things to fix the system. donald trump raises against the system -- rages against the system and does not have a single proposal in changing it other than getting everybody in line. charlie: we will be right back. stay with us. ♪
continue with joel benenson, a senior strategist for the clinton campaign. i am pleased to have them here this evening. michelle obama set a tone. mated about -- made it a bout family, made it about commitment to the next generation -- and values. and when you talk about children and families, it is something people think of when they think of hillary clinton. it is something people associate with her. it is these causes on behalf of the children and families. they have known about it from the beginning. charlie: before bill clinton
made his speech, my impression before bill clinton makes his speech, my impression tothat he will attempt describe hillary clinton -- i have not seen the speech, but marion cuomo tends to do that, too. why should i not keep writing it until i am truly satisfied? ithink it will be personal, think it will be powerful. i think he can tell uniquely -- charlie: he knows these other people don't know. joel: 40 years of watching this woman, being partners in so many efforts, i suspect it is going to be a wonderful, personal speech, a speech that really extends hillary clinton's message about building a better country to all of us so that it works for everyone. charlie: what is the strategy to win the nomination?
joel: that is a good question. we are just starting to look forward to the general election. i think when you win a nomination, any contest, you have to think, what is the currency of the election? the currency happens to be delegates, and you have to look at the states in the primaries and now we have them in every state. of decadesr a couple ago, not every state had these contests and the campaigns were about a months long. you have to think about states and how to get a majority of delegates, because not each candidate has the same path. one last point, and i have said this a couple of times today, my belief is that candidates who try to tip it after the primaries never do well. when you are running for president, you have to run one campaign from the beginning to the end. there is no pivot. the media today,
which is intense and 24 hours, you have to show the people every minute what your campaign is going to be about. when you talk about making a real difference in people's lives, developing solutions that will help families get ahead, you have to know from day one that that is a strategy not only for winning in the primaries, but winning in a general election. charlie: do you think she has succeeded so far in articulating that case well? joel: i do. we went against a very tough competitor. a lot of people did not know bernie sanders when he started. something, not just the energy of younger voters, but he diagnosed what many, many people feel in america, which is that the deck is stacked in favor of those at the top and hard-working americans are not getting the rewards the way they used to. i think we have to continue to make it very clear case on both the values side of where we will take america and on the economic
side. there are three things that people want to know, which of these three people cannot count on to keep the country safe and count on safe -- can i to keep my country and family safe, and who can bring this country together and live up to its values? the theme of this whole convention is "stronger together." we are running against a candidate that has been as divisive as i have ever seen in decades, a candidate who has been saying hateful things about different kinds of americans, un-american judge of mexican -- ant, americans american judge of mexican descent. donald trump is talking down america. a vast clinton, like majority of americans, believes this is the greatest country on earth. someone a lotant
more experienced in politics, governors who were admired, a person in the -- admired in the senate. all of that, he won. he said something that struck the heart of republican primary voters. termst the polls now in of where the election stands. it is within two or three points. joel: we always have close elections. we really don't have many blowouts. charlie: i'm asking you, is donald trump resonating among voters who have experienced this economic discontent, this economic and income insecurity? joel: i believe he is resonating with some hard-core republicans who he is not repealing to -- he is not appealing to be on his base. beyond his base. one mistake hillary clinton has made that these guys had not,
they did not taken seriously. -- take him seriously. they are starting to rail against immigrants even harder than they have been. we took donald trump on during the primaries before most of the republican candidates did. there is a reason why. i don't want to filibuster here. it's because the things he is saying, the divisive, hateful rhetoric, does not represent the values of the american people, particularly those people who are middle-of-the-road, kind of modulated when they look at politics overall. i do not think they have yet shown that they can reach beyond their base. thelie: when you look at campaign, many people predicted it would be a very nasty campaign. hillary clinton has said she is not going to some of the attacks. you had mrs. obama say last night, when they go low, we go high. is that what hillary clinton is going to do?
going to go aspirational, or is she going to fight back with the same kind of play-by-chicago rules, where they come in with a knife, they go to a gun? joel: during the course of the campaign, you will decide when to respond and went to not. candidate'snk a comments are so five trail lake that people roll their -- vitriolic that people roll their eyes, you are not going to respond. but it is what he is saying about america. we are not going to let him tear down people. hillary clinton is going to talk a very optimistic, aspirational goal of america, that we are at our best, which is lifting each other up and not tearing each other down. as you: ronald reagan, remember, ran a campaign in 1984. joel: "morning in america."
go.lie: there you what phrase comes up for the clinton campaign? joel: right now, "stronger together." visions two very clear here right now about where we want to take the country, what kind of country we want to build. we have one literally coming out of the republican party pitching americans against each other, pitting people against each other, demeaning women, talking down people who have served and our military, calling immigrants who have come to this country rapists, drug dealers. that is not what we have ever done when we have succeeded. i think hillary's vision of working together, building a better future by working -- ther charlie: offering a pathway to citizenship? joel: a pathway to citizenship for people who have lived in this country a certain amount of time and have to do certain
things to get on the pathway, which republicans created. comprehensive immigration reform was a republican bill sponsored by john mccain and promoted by president george h.w. bush. what has happened to that party? charlie: the democratic party is already being characterized as a different party than bill clinton's party. joel: i think that is true, evolving. the country changes. with every generation -- now everybody is focused on millennials -- think about that generation, charlie. charlie: what can you do to reach millennials? joel: why couldn't bernie sanders reach people over 40? when you start slicing the electorate -- charlie: but that's your job. joel: we did well enough with millennials. what we have to do now is talk to all the millennials, and every voter we think is within our range that we can
communicate with, about our progressive vision. if we don't do this to help families educate their kids, manage their work lives and their lives as parents, we are not going to build the economy we need. if we don't make investments in modernizing our schools and our power rid and making us a clean energy superpower, we are not going to lead in the 21st century like we did in the 20th century, and that's what we need to do to make the country strong. charlie: do you think the young people who supported bernie around?will come joel: i think they are starting to. we came together on the platform, found some compromises on issues where there were differences. when bernie sanders stands up and says, i am going to do everything i can to make sure that we don't let donald trump ever become president of the united states and that we elect hillary clinton, i think they
will work with him. charlie: thank you. we will be right back. stay with us. ♪ continue this evening with jeff greenfield. he is a political analyst, author, and former cbs senior political correspondent. i am pleased to have him. i want to start about writing speeches. you wrote speeches for john lindsay, bobby kennedy, you are pretty good at it. jeff: many private citizens. charlie: the ceo here and there he echoed jeff: -- a ceo here and there? jeff: mostly politicians. charlie: what is the art? jeff: you have to understand the difference between the written word and the spoken word. most importantly, you've got to find the voice of the person for who you are writing.
write the greatest , but if it does not fit, it is like a 38 regular on a guy who wears a 48 all stop people can sense it -- a 48. people can sense it. people are listening. they cannot see it. specifics. hd picture. don't use -- paint the picture. don't use extractions. charlie: how would you write bill clinton? heat is known as an explainer rather than inspirational. barack obama is a much more inspiring, broad -- jeff: absolutely. first of all, i would have a lot of antacid, because as he starts speaking, he rips.
he is almost like a jazz musician. in the middle of a speech, he will pick up on a point and then take it. , which2012 speech is something everybody should look at, he is speaking such ordinary language. [inaudible] bill clinton is using arithmetic, which is what third-graders and fourth graders do. it is on us like a sermon. you know what else republicans said? here is what republicans said? can you believe that? charlie: let's unpack that. it is very much a sense of, let's look at these problems together. part of the homey
rhetoric, he then goes into details, theailed stimulus and what barack obama's health care plan is. out --s to be dishing very competent while dishing out policy. i think he has a difficult challenge explaining why his for alluld be president kinds of reasons. charlie: why? jeff: because hillary clinton's problem is a strong sense that people don't trust her. says one thing to try to that the person i am telling you you should vote for has great ideas and a vision for america. is relatively easy for clinton, because she has a basket full of policies. but to convince people that she should not be on -- not be considered untrustworthy, that is tough. can tell herss you
stories that nobody knows. if you can tell stories about her that the public doesn't know -- a columnist was talking about how what we know about her is policy. we know her struggles in her relationship with him and what happened while they were in the white house, but we don't know -- we know a lot about barack obama. we know how he likes to play basketball. we know how much he likes to read. we know he likes to sing. all those kinds of things. we don't know any of that about her, do we? jeff: i want to be careful about this. this is a judgment based from afar. i think she has been sober -- so burned by attacks that she purses every word. every word.
every word is being weighed, is this going to get me in trouble? the thing people love about bill clinton is the spontaneity. one thing you can say about donald trump is that he does not censor himself. i think that is part of the problem. in "the new piece york times" about this army of speechwriters and consultants, 800 people. how many times are you going to try to reinvent somebody? how many slogans? forward together, stronger together, let's make america great. what we are still looking for is a sense of vulnerability, a have droppede may the ball on things like globalization and its impact. charlie: an understanding its impact. jobs are going overseas -- jeff: even that. my husband had a great years, but -- a great eight years, but
you know what? here is what we have learned. charlie: that will suggest authenticity. jeff: sincerity is everything. you can fake that, you've got it. charlie: that came from a movie producer, as you know. but there is also michelle obama talking about children. she has authenticity. we know her children. we admire her children. she talked about the concern for them. that is a very human feeling. jeff: that speech will rake as one of the great convention speeches, period. one of the reasons, she never mentioned donald trump's name. m to task, ik hi tell my children when someone goes low, you go hide. talkingake a republican
point, american exceptionalism, what does he mean? we are the greatest country. we expect that almost from the republican convention. i thought that speech was a reflection from her, and it hit -- s that she then asked we will find out thursday. charlie: if she does that, she will be on her way to building a different bond with the american people. jeff: i think so, and it will be a hard climb. said she wasmey extremely careless and implied that she had not been straight with him, i think that was a body blow which they desperately need to try to repair at this convention. charlie: and they have not. she does not want to ignore that she was careless. she will say -- does not want to acknowledge that she was careless. clarify not by saying
that she was careless. she said i made a mistake. do you see a difference? sense thats that people are waiting to see whether or not this person is a master of policy and can talk about -- of whether or not this person can reveal who she is. have been reading speeches going back to 2012, 2008, 2000. we are going to bring jobs back. at what point do you say, those are nice words? that is a problem. our speechwriters
reading those speeches like novels? jeff: i have to admit i am thinking about policy. charlie: you are thinking about fact rather than fiction. jeff: yes. charlie: talk about donald trump and what he did in that speech. it is a speech, like trump divorced fromly convention. one, he cited no one in the speech but himself. he did not cite lincoln, eisenhower, jefferson. nothing exists other than donald trump. the line in my speech -- the line in the speech that made my hair stand up was "i alone can fix this." is -- t charlie: that's an idea that julius caesar might have -- but the people responding
to this might hear it in a different way. we have had all these years of political rhetoric telling us that they are going to work together, and they have all turned their backs on us. and now we've got a guy who is crusading for us. donald trump is telling us, i am your voice. i am rich, i am powerful. charlie: is that what they want to hear? jeff: not the whole nation. the system is broke, he says i will fix the system. fixed, broke,is fixed, and cricket. -- crooked. and unfair. jeff: i can't tell you how many trump's supporters have said the same words. he says what i would say. part of that is ugly.
say they mean is, we can really nasty things about people we don't like. he is rich enough and powerful enough to stick it to those people. charlie: he knows them because he is one of them. bought. can't be that's one of the first things i thought of, his flamboyant wealth. like to becians humble. they don't like to talk about how rich they are. look how much i have, i can do this. charlie: back in a moment. stay with us. ♪
charlie: what is our biggest national security concern? it remains the proliferation of nuclear and other weapons of mass -- charlie: and the probability that it gets into the hands of nonstate actors. clinton: exactly. charlie: the president said to me, every time they learn more than north korea. that is what they spend their money on, and they know that has brought them certain attention, power, and respect. how real is the threat of them path to develop a bomb and deliver it to the united states? ms. clinton: i think it is a
real threat, one i take very seriously. they are determined to get a missile that could deliver a nuclear weapon, first to china, then to hawaii, then to our west coast. make no mistake about it, this is the path that they are on. charlie: so what would you do to stop them? ms. clinton: i think the danger that they now pose is much clearer to our friends in the region, most particularly china, then it has been. charlie: even though they are getting better in terms of waking up to north korea, they have not gone as far as you would like them to go? ms. clinton: that is something we are going to work on. charlie: what is the red line for you in terms of china's aggressiveness in the south china sea? ms. clinton: i lay out -- laid out what our concerns were in 2010. i believe that china has a great opportunity now to demonstrate
it will be a responsible international stakeholder. not just the united states, but the region and the rest of the world has a very serious interest in freedom of anygation, and avoiding kind of conflict within the south china sea, and we now have an international legal opinion. this is what we have to follow up with. none of this is easy, charlie. charlie: i know, but is there a redline? ms. clinton: no, we are not going to talk redlines. what we are going to talk is, how do we enforce the international legal agreement? and very specifically, calling on china for construction these reefs. nobody thinks that has any impact and that
decisions don't have impacts. ms. clinton: i'm sorry, i disagree. charlie: you think that will impact them? ms. clinton: it depends. look, when i started putting together sanctions on iran, nobody thought china and russia would go along with it. this is a slow, boring work of diplomacy. we need to be pushing for multilateral deals around all of these land features so that we either the threat of deliberate or unintentional conflict in the region. that is in nobody's interest, including china's interest. charlie: and russia? ms. clinton: well, i believe that donald trump's strange fascination with putin is incredibly dangerous. he has moved from putin to the late saddam hussein. i think voters need to take this seriously. a real likingve
for her, almost admiration for, , which ish dictators so contrary to what we are. yeah, democracy is messy, that's true. be with putin, i would willing to figure out how best to buttress our alliances against him? charlie: do you think this will happen with respect to syria? ms. clinton: i am hopeful that there can be some kind of end theent that will constant bombardment by the assad forces an alliance with the russians from the air and with the iranians and hezbollah from the ground, and maybe we can stop the refugee exodus, turn our attention to ending territorial claims of isis. we have made progress there. that's what i would like everybody to focus on, and look
to see what kind of negotiation we could then have. charlie: that raises the question of lone wolves. people say their strategy as a caliphate has begun to shrink. what we see is what we saw in nice. wolves, these people not on our radar, and these people who have gotten some experience somewhere else. wen brennan of the cia said don't have a strategy yet. do you have a strategy? ms. clinton: i have been, for quite some time, pushing hard for a more effective strategy to counter violent extremism, to go after the propaganda and the efforts to radicalize, recruit, and even direct online. we have made some progress, not near enough. but we are dealing with a new threats, and i take it very seriously. i don't think that because it is rocca,ing straight from
it might be engendered from some guy who has agreements about something else, claiming allegiance. we have to take it seriously. charlie: donald trump we have to declare war. ms. clinton: we are at war, and we have been raging war against these adversaries, and i think it is a mistake to act like it is the same kind of war we fought in world war ii against large state powers with air forces and navies -- charlie: but should we do more in terms of the appointment? are not talking about boots on the ground. ms. clinton: we certainly should not do that. but i support the efforts to advise and enable the iraq he army. i support the use of special forces to work with our arab and kurdish partners in the fight against isis. and we have made progress. it is painful, because in this interconnected world, the bad news is that people sitting in
rocca can communicate with some guy who drives a truck in nice. the threat is broad, but we have to continue to go after it of where it emanates from to try to once and for all end this claim of a caliphate and territory, and we have to do a much better job. we need an intelligent search with our friends and partners. an intelligence surge. in europeon't see that kind of sharing and information across national borders that i would like to see. we have to make that a big focus. morel, the former deputy director of the cia, basically says we have to understand what it is. what is the appeal? how do we break that? how do we provide an alternative? that, somebody else will jump in. ms. clinton: we are in an information war.
they have an ideology that is attractive to young, alienated men, for whatever reason. heady criminals, guys to feel like they are not being treated --rly at work, mentally petty criminals, guys who feel like they are not being treated fairly at work, mentally ill. ready to population to send their messages of ideology and hatred into. the bestot figured out way to intercept and counteract that. it is the most common question. just today i was meeting with people in cincinnati, a successful businessman, a muslim american, a pakistani american. do a bettere got to job to stop these kids from being attracted to that. it is a concern in the muslim community and beyond. we need to get people literally brainstorming and working together through all the
bureaucratic silos to come up with a strategy that we then could implement and do a better job of getting our friends and partners to do the same. charlie: turkey. the president. you know he has been accused of all kinds of authoritarian instincts. you know his reputation. you have dealt with them. -- dealt with him. what is your stance? ms. clinton: i have made a plea for democracy to withstand this coup attempt. thankfully, it did. what is remarkable about it is that a lot of the disparate groups within turkey, political opponents of president erdogan, the independent media, which he has been going after, and others all went into the street and spoke out. the coup failed.
now the real question is whether the president will take this opportunity to reach out to those with whom he does not always agree, to really reinforce and reaffirm the importance of democracy. has been on an authoritarian path that i have been quite worried about. i am hoping that is what he decides to do. but i will to you this. any attempt to make america conspirator in this coup to be repudiated immediately. gullen should not be extradited? ms. clinton: that is a legal issue. no evidence has been presented. i don't know what they have. i do not want american citizens, american tourists, american servicemen being used by those who support president erdogan in
a way that could weaken our relationship. we are cooperating against isis and against terrorism, and we need turkey. i am looking forward to working with them, but i would like to see them get back to pursuing democracy, not fearing off into a more authoritarian regime. charlie: my last question. ms. clinton: [laughs] charlie: i am thinking you have said that most influential person in your life is your mother, what she did for you. i am thinking, engaging in this campaign is not easy. but when you were asked to make that first class speech, did you think then you might have a chance to make history? a first lady of the united
states, a senator, a secretary of state, and maybe president? neverinton: no, it crossed my mind. i wanted to be an advocate, particularly for children, families, and women. i was going to law school to do just that. that's why i went to work for the children's defense fund. that's why it took a next her year at yale studying child development, child abuse, and all the things i was really interested in. and then i met this guy named bill clinton from arkansas. i taught law, practiced law, and was deeply involved with working to improve our state. john: when did you think -- charlie: when did you think you could be president? ms. clinton: it was not long before the first time i ran -- ♪