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tv   Charlie Rose  Bloomberg  August 17, 2016 10:00pm-11:01pm EDT

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>> our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charile: we continue our coverage of the 2016 political campaign. hillary clinton was in philadelphia for a voter registration drive and donald trump was at a rally in isconsin and we want to talk about the trump campaign manager s an campaign. welcome to the broadcast. it is good to hear from you again, my friend. al: good to be with you,
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charles. charlie: i haven't had a chance to talk with you since you were in pennsylvania. give me a sense of what you found when you talk to a lot of people across the state, a state crucial to donald trump, and my impression is hillary clinton is up a bit. l: she is. pennsylvania is really several different dates, but two primary divides there, the west, working-class, there used to be steel mills, coal mills. now some shale outside of pittsburgh. used to be heavily democratic. donald trump does well there, probably even better than it romney did, who carried them. then there's the east, bucks, montgomery, delaware. those four suburban counties will cast more votes than philadelphia and pittsburgh combined and trump is getting lobbered in those suburbs. the places he's doing well are places that are not growing much as far as voters or population. the places he's getting clobbered are taking off.
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i think it will take a miracle for donald trump to even be competitive in pennsylvania right now. charlie: is this the larger picture of him, he's doing well in places that seem to be less ptimistic about their future and better with them and worse with those people who seem more optimistic about their future? al: no question. certainly it is the suburbs and exurbs. they went for obama, they're going more decisively for hillary clinton in large part because their anti-trump. also it is an overlap here. colleg-eeducated, which mitt romney carried he carried college educated whites by 14 points and right now she's winning them by about 10 points. that's a huge turnaround. charlie: what are the issues for those people voting for donald trump? al: it's his slogan, make america great again. they said, things used to be good and they aren't anymore.
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i went to this little town about 20 miles from pits earned. they had 290 kids in the graduating class. 46 this year. they used to have a steel mill there. a coal mill there. it's almost desolate. donald trump was the first presidential national figure to speak there since john f. kennedy in the early 1960's. these people don't have much hope. not only do they think their kids won't have the lives they had, their kids are leaving. when donald trump says, these trade deals are killing us, we will turn america around again, i don't know if they believe him r not. if you talk to them, they don't believe some of this stuff. it is to hell with the way things are, can't be worse than what we've experienced. charlie: can we make the case that people who want change want donald trump? al: i think it's what kind of change. for those people there, yes.
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people in economically distressed areas, parts of ohio, southwestern virginia, that's clearly the case. other people want different sorts of change, young people. some of the people in the suburbs who think we can do a better job on the economy. i think trump scares those people. he has corralled the votes of people who were terribly pessimistic, but there are those people who want change but they don't think we are going to hell in a handbasket right now, and trump is having a hard time with those people. >> do we know where the young people supporting bernie sanders are going? they are doing one of two things. they are either voting for hillary clinton or they're going to sit home, maybe cash the vote for a third-party candidate. there's no question if you talk to even some republicans, young people will vote in overwhelming numbers for hillary clinton.
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probably as decisively if not more so than they did for barack obama. the issue is will they come out to vote, and that's where bernie sanders and elizabeth warren and barack obama can be of tremendous assistance to clinton in the fall because there's a real turnout question among young voters. charlie: when you talk to the democratic strategist, that's what they say to me. what worries them? turnout. al: it's more so with young people than latinos. they think trump will turn out latinos for them. african-americans, there's a strong sense that there's been a perhaps permanent change among the african-american turnout. it started with obama that you saw it in some of the off year elections and in places like philadelphia, maybe it won't equal 2008 or 2012 but it will come pretty close. the real turnout problem is with young people. charlie: is it possible there is a group of people who want to vote for donald trump but don't want to tell you and don't want to tell pollsters?
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al: that's what the republicans and some trump people say. i don't think the primary polls indicated that. the polls are pretty right on in some places. some places they were off. i sat around the lunch table in this little town of manasseh in and people were not shy about who they would vote for. ome people were not for trump, but i doubt there's that silent vote. it may be a teeny bit but i don't think it is of any significance. charlie: in terms of possible things they could change a campaign, we can look ahead and talk about debates but i would rather differ that great what about some kind of terrorist attack? what impact might that have on the campaign? does donald trump poll stronger on national security having made us each on it yesterday? -- made a speech on it yesterday? al: he has been doing better on
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that. i think that was feeling and a fear among democrats that a terrorist incident is the one thing that could turn the whole dynamics around. trump's speech yesterday was interesting. he did not step on his lines. he read. i thought he looked low-energy. the substance wasn't anything great. peter fever, a bush aide who now teaches at duke, said a lot of it was really bush and obama. he said what was good was not new and what was new was not ood. at least he didn't stumble. i think if he can continue that and if the clinton effort to try to paint him as reckless and -- the joe biden take yesterday, doesn't know what he's talking about, would be a huge risk -- if they can't make that case, if they can't make it with total
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conviction, a terrorist incident would really scare democrats. charlie: what are republicans saying to you? al: i think we will see more defections from a presidential candidate then any time in history, more so than goldwater in 1964. then there will be another group that remains silent, go through the motions and focus on keeping the senate, keeping the house, keeping state and local races. i think the number of non-trump supporting republicans is just astounding. it is national security experts and economic experts and a whole bunch of politicians, a whole bunch of elected senators, elected governors. i've never seen anybody run away from a candidate before. with mcgovern it was, we are with george, but then there would always be somewhere else when george showed up. these people are being far more public about it.
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kasich and ors like charlie baker, rick snyder of michigan, or senators with susan collins and jeff blake. it's really quite unique. charlie: thank you for joining us. back in a moment. stay with us. charlie: tell me about the man you know now, donald trump. >> they are not much different. to be honest. donald trump was clearly having a good time and there are nights where he is still clearly having a good time. he shoots from the hip as he did from day one and as he's doing now. he's become more of a politician in some senses. we see him reading from a teleprompter. we see moments where he refuses to engage. he is still run by his natural instinct, which is to say whatever he is thinking. he likes to entertain.
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the first time i saw him at a rally was a backyard private home, with people standing around a pool, and he was saying many of the same things he says now in front of these crowds. at that rally, he called me out by name and said, you're not paying attention to me. he still does that to this day. charlie: having fun with you. >> having fun with me. and also directing me to pay attention more. charlie: what about the issue now taking on the press? guest: he's always taking on the press, but they're doing it more forcefully now because he's down in the polls and he needs a scapegoat. is scapegoat is the media. charlie: more media than her. >> much more so. he repeated 10 tweets between saturday and monday. of those 12 tweets, 10 were about the media and only a couple were against hillary clinton, railing on the media for basically repeating the words that he says on the
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the campaign , behind-the-scenes is not being running smoothly. there's tensions with the rnc. he has a lot of stuff that is inhibiting him at the moment. the easiest way for him to pass the blame is to say it's not reality, it is a media construct. charlie: does he think it resonates? >> he does think it resonates. the campaign just sent out an e-mail to supporters, there was a media bias survey and they asked supporters to rate whether they think the media is more biased towards republicans, whether they agree with the statements. when we are at these rallies, the supporters that come out will wait to the end and hang around the press pen and stare at the reporters in the face and tell them, you are a liar and you are telling lies for hillary clinton. it does resonate with a strong portion of donald trump
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reporters. the issue is, there are not enough evil out there who agree with him on this to such a egree that they believe he's being completely painted unfair. rush limbaugh yesterday came on and said he should back off on the attacks to the press, and rush limbaugh has pretty much made his career attacking the press. charlie: the reason he should do that is because it's counterproductive? guest: it makes leaders look weak is what rush said. charlie: that's an interesting rush limbaugh insight. if you're attacking the press you're weak. guest: if you're attacking the press, you're losing. charlie: if you're winning, you don't attack the press. guest: yeah. charlie: the other thing that interests me about him, how much is he intoxicated by the enthusiasm of his -- guest: very much so. f the room is really rambunctious, if they are responding to his words, that's when he goes off message.
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that's when he says something that maybe he shouldn't. he wants to hear their roar. at his core, he's an entertainer. he has coveted headlines and coveted attention. we saw this when he was coming up in the real estate market in the 1990's, 1980's, and when he got his own tv show on "the apprentice." he enjoys being the center of attention. does that mean that he is not going to be a good leader? there are arguments to that, but the reality is his compaign has been a bit like a reality show. he has gone in, and if the crowd is not responding to a message, usually a more policy oriented message, he pivots quickly to find something they respond to. that's when we first heard him saying, bomb the hell out of isis. that's when we got a huge oar. charlie: that was six months ago, wasn't it? guest:that was more than 6 months ago, i believe. charlie: is he capable of a hard-edged analysis of himself?
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guest: i haven't seen it. i haven't seen it. charlie: he's intoxicated by everything and therefore incapable of saying, i'm making a mistake here. i'm screwing this up. i'm blowing this campaign. if in fact he believes that. is he prepared to come to an accurate conclusion? even though he may come to an accurate conclusion. is he willing to listen to people so he will make perhaps a better judgment? guest: i have heard that there are glimpses of him understanding the wrongs he's one. or moves that were maybe not so wise. we've seen him turnaround ever so slightly here and there during the campaign season, we thought you could say yesterday when he was giving a foreign policy -- on the economic speech. there's talk that he's healing more towards message even behind the scenes with some of his dvisers. i haven't had this conversation with him directly, so i can't say if he's able to look at -- back at how he contributed to some of these headlines or how he could have potentially
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negatively contributed to what could be a loss in november if you're going to believe the polls now. charlie: what do you know about roger ailes advising him? guest: there's rumors about it since roger ailes was forced to resign from fox news. charlie: it would be a conversation about how things are going. guest: the two men are close. there's been an open line of communication between the two. it's not surprising he would sign on. as someone who has a massive deficit among women right now, to hire somebody and take the advice in a public way, someone who is publicly accused of a number of sexual harassment allegations, that to me is counterintuitive to what he needs to do going forward, which is to find a way to appeal to women.
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e's brought ivanka out to do that and she hasn't been as vocal as she would need to be for the campaign to find a way to connect with female voters. charlie: why not? hat do voters say? guest: they don't have an answer. this is a campaign that doesn't have a lot of answers right they will say, why would e tell you this? charlie: how accessible is he to you? guest: it depends on whether he sees me. if he sees me in his eyeline, e'll engage. in terms of getting donald trump in a one-on-one way out of the glare of the cameras, that's difficult he calls reporters here and there. i've gotten those calls. he calls reporters here and there, but he has become more insulated as this campaign goes on.
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charlie: kennedy was a reader. he read newspapers and he was friends with ben bradley from the press. he was friends with a lot of people and knew them. on the other hand, other presidential candidates, i don't think they follow the media that closely. rump follows television like crazy and uses social media like no one has ever used it before even to the point that it becomes part of a hillary clinton speech, anyone who can be abated by a tweet should not have their hand on the nuclear trigger. guest: that is echoed by foreign policy and security experts behind the scenes. these nonpartisan talks who will have conversations with reporters to give them a sense of how they feel this race is going and whether they think donald trump is fit to be commander in chief, the question is not so much whether he can learn what's going on in the world, there's a believe that anyone can learn that once they are given the evidence and information.
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but is he someone who has such a hairtrigger that he can't ignore even the slightest slight? charlie: what they say about presidents in terms of history, you're going to have advisers advising you from both sides of an issue. what you need is a certain grounding and a certain kind of experience and judgment so you can choose between competing opinions. that demands a lease some sense of familiarity -- at least some sense of familiarity to make a right decision. that worries people. guest: it does. from what i have heard, donald trump reads a lot of headlines sent stories -- and stories to do with himself. if his name is in it, he will go through it. i haven't been told by anybody that he has a vociferous appetite for policy and what's going on in the world. you can see that when you're watching these policy peeches. it doesn't seem like he is fully
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steeped in it because he doesn't seem that interested in it, ltimately. charlie: reagan knew what he believed, and he believed in 4 or 5 fundamental things in terms of strong natioanl security -- national security. budgets and taxes and things like that. he also selected remarkable people to advise him. hether it was jim ba 401 (k)er or george schultze. he trusted them and delegated them so it was not everything he thought, but it was grounding in fundamentals with policy added to value-added was smart people. guest: look at who donald trump has surrounded himself with. he's had a meeting with henry kissinger. we have not heard those names since those singular eetings. a number of his advisers are donors or friends or people if not in the real estate world,
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the wall street world, people like tom barrick. he's not surrounding himself with the traditional political establishment. in some ways, that can be spun in a good way. these foreign-policy advisers that come out against him are the ones who recommended going into iraq. he has a pretty solid counter arguments great he's having a hard time finding anybody who agrees with him on that who also agrees with him on the rest of his foreign policy. charlie: obama has been in favor of nato members paying 2% of gdp. he said that they were people that needed to pay more, and the united states couldn't bear that alone. it was never a question, i'm not coming to the defensive nato countries.
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guest: absolutely. those alliances are very important and delicate. when you're talking about his position, the one things i keep hearing is hampering the most is the mulsim ban -- muslim ban and his refusal to back away from t. ideological tests for those coming into this country, make sure they agree with american principles and values and openness. he also suggested what he called commissions for the government to figure out -- define radical islamic terror and figure out the warning signs for radicalization to pass those particles down to the local olice. these are terms and ideas that on the surface might seem like good ideas, but there are also things that make certain portions of this country and
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olitical establishment folks extremely uncomfortable about what that means going forward and how much civil liberties will need to be given up to do that. donald trump is banking on a majority of americans being willing to give up some liberties, much like what we did with the patriot act. they are going to agree to that to such a level they are going want to put him in office. charlie: what's his perspective on the clinton campaign? guest: he believes it's the media's fault. the media's focus too much on his statements and not enough on hillary clinton's statements. or her controversies. the email leaks and drips of emails they keep coming out and whether there were ties between her state department and the clinton foundation, that's a serious story.
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charlie: if he is not on message, he can't make that point. guest:is a story getting covered -- it's a story getting covered by the press. he's saying things that are so against the norm, president obama is the founder of isis, but that is sucking up the oxygen. charlie: he does not understand the impact of saying something like that. -- in a hewitt is a radio interview said, i understood what you meant, when the president told troops out of iraq that left a vacuum there, and al qaeda came back in. he said no, i meant what i said. guest: he said, president obama s the founder of isis. he said it i think in seven separate interviews. the next day he came out with a tweet, how dare the political ress take him seriously. that is the same thing he did at that news conference he had a few weeks ago in miami when we were talking about the russian
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emails or hillary clinton's emails and whether russia might have been involved in the dnc hack, he looked in the cameras and said russia, a hope you find those e-mails. i would like to see them. i stopped and asked him, do you understand what you're saying? do you realize what you're saying? does it give you any pause to ask a foreign government to meddle in american affairs? he looked at me and said, it does not give me any pause. it does not give me any pause. the next day he comes out and says, i was just joking. charlie: at any point are you worried about your own safety? guest: i have. certainly my mother has. the muslim ban announcement night, in south carolina he called me out by name and the crowd was angry. i got nervous that night certainly. i have gotten nervous at other big rallies. i have gotten nervous at panera bread. the amount of anger and
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negativity you see on social media, i've had someone wonder if i'm going to be at a certain rally because they're going to find me and tell me what they say. you better watch out. certainly i have felt insecure from time to time. i do hope this ends well. charlie: define "ends well." guest: not just for me, but for reporters in general. we've all had moments where we have felt deeply uncomfortable at the rallies, outside of the rallies. charlie: do you think he cares? guest champion ps i don't know. charlie: it's a pleasure to have you here. back in a moment. stay with us. ♪
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charlie: common essential canceled the nightly show with larry wilmore. the late night series which premiered in january 2015 and replaced it with the colbert report. before the creation of the nightly show with larry wilmore, he was a regular on "the daily show with jon stewart." we are pleased to have them here this evening to talk about television and his future. >> as many of you have heard, this is our final week of "the nightly show." i want to thank comedy central
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for this rare opportunity. when we started the show we wanted to have a conversation on some tough subjects. our show was at its best when the news was at its worst. i'm so proud we were able to take on real issues and hopefully say something powerful while making people laugh. my only regret is that we won't be around to cover this truly insane election season. on the plus side, our show going off the air has to only mean one thing. racism is solved. we did it. [laughter] charlie: joining me is larry wilmore. when i read this this morning i said, there's the man i want to have on this show as soon as possible. the end my coanchor were saying how much we like him and how much we like to show her ini
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said -- show -- the show here. guest: i don't have the show anymore, so i will be hanging around here a lot. that's how they do you. promise a brother one thing and then sorry, i never really meant that. charlie: i invite you right now to come in here. there's no doubt that the range of your curiosity in some ways is the same as the range of your curiosity. i'm just not funny. guest: i don't know about that . people haven't seen you off the air. that's when charlie lets loose. you are very entertaining. charlie: tell me about it. you were given the opportunity to do something you wanted to do to start from scratch and create , a show. larry: i been very lucky i been
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able to do that if you times. this show was so exciting. from the beginning jon stewart pitched me an idea. he thought there were a lot of voices that were not being represented on television and he thought this could be a show where that could happen. he said, i might you to be the ringleader. charlie: you didn't think when he first said it -- larry: no. you know you're in a conversation about that's a become surreal as they are talking about that. i was at my breaking bad age where i should be making meth somewhere. that's what i should do. i don't even think he is 30. i don't even think he can drink yet. who knows what is going on.
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>> rare opportunity. i took the humility that comes with all that knowing how tough it is to do that. the beloved stephen colbert, not just the successful but beloved stephen. stephen's a friend of mine, and taking all of that on, and then wants the show to be the minority reporter, we are tackling race, class. thanks, john. let's do that. knowing jon -- we had done that before on "the daily show." i was honored he would choose me to tackle those types of tough subjects. i really enjoy trying to find a humanity in its and get the humor out that way, in those types of things. it was so much fun for the amount of time we did.
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charlie: would you have done anything differently? larry: that's tough to say. forensic analysis and time machine, csi nightly show is what it's going to be. i'll raise some things on the set and figure out how to do it. the show started is one thing and evolved to become another. the original idea was just to be a talkshow with the panel. it proved a little too -- there wasn't a chance for me to weigh in. we realized early on that we need that opening segment where people can hear from me. without that, we feel like there's no chance for larry to make a distinctive mark on what is going on in the day or the world if he's just ring leading. charlie: we want to know where you are. larry: cbs this morning. you guys have a lot of fill-ins on this show. charlie: he's out playing golf swimming.
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she's probably bored with the vacation already. i love storytelling. it's one of the things -- larry: i love storytelling. it's one of the things i love to do. i was running "blackish". i co-created -- she had a web series called "the misadventures of an awkward black girl." really funny. this show really showcases her talents. i'm excited to get into that part of my career, and also find possibly a show that does work for me at a place that does work as well. charlie: you've experienced what i've experienced for 25 years.
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having a television show where you can talk about things, where you can have your friends who you think are talented come by. where you can share talent. that's a privilege. gail and i talked about this a lot. larry: larry, you're taking the high road. i thank comedy central for giving me that chance. i'll do my jokes because i'm a comedian and i can't stop that, but that's my job. comedy central, i'll always be there for them. charlie: i get the sense -- larry: is like a mountain man now. he shows up at the democratic convention with colbert. i'm starting to call him the in curator. larry jon is comedy yoda. : he really is. you have to go away to a planet and train with him for a while.
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talk about race you must. he's this wise sage who we all wanted to please. whose voice and talent is so large, you can't appreciate it unless you're working with it. he wrote an amazing editorial every single day. that's his talent, being able to distill what was really important and what he really felt needed to be said, and he was passionate about those things all the time. if he wasn't passionate about it, he did a really good job -- the key to this is sincerity. if you can fake that, you've got it made. charlie: jon stewart has been -- everybody i talk to has played a role in terms of wanting to push
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them to the edge, wanting to see them employed, want to see them have an opportunity. and the collection of people. what we forget about is the daily show, people came and then went to do other things, able range of things over the years. larry: and always with jon's blessing and the freedom to come back and all that kind of stuff great and he freely share the stage with all those people. the glory days give correll and colbert -- of steve carell and colbert -- i would say colbert inhales oxygen and exhales funny. he's funny all the time. charlie: but he's a perfect
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example too. much has been written about this. when you go do a different show, it takes time to define who you are and what you're doing. you don't want to simply say, i'm going to do what i do and doing -- i've been doing. larry: it's not easy. stephen's smart and talented, and he has such a big fan base. is going to be great. i'm excited. i'm always sad when things go away. but i'm a person that always looks forward, and i'm so excited about the different opportunities. i've always been interested in mentoring young writers and producers, people you see who it would be good for them to get a chance to get in the business and make their mark. charlie: thank you very much. back ina moment.
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stay with us. ♪ charlie: daniel radcliffe is
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here, he stars in a new film called "imperium." he infiltrates a white supremacy group planning on creating a dirty bomb.
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the film is inspired by former fbi agent who successfully infiltrated white supremacy groups in the 1990's. here is the trailer. >> you see the type of organization we have here. we can always use a man like you, nathan. educated, war veteran, clean record. >> tell us your real objective. >> this is revolutionary activity we are working on here. >> i need an informant to get in there and make a difference. >> we are a thinking man's soldiers. first here and then here. >> we know where you live. >> you do have the skills. >> relating to these guys as human beings. just because you're not looking at something --
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>> get your hands off me. >> doesn't mean it's not there. >> you ok? >> big things are coming. >> an event that wakes people up. >> it's morning in america and there's a new day coming. >> these guys are fanatics. they will not be taken alive. >> for evil to triumph, it only takes good men. -- men to do nothing. >> what is your opinion on infiltration? >> do you suspect someone? >> is like we say at these
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rallies, look to the left, look to the right. one of these people is a snitch. charlie: i'm pleased to have daniel radcliffe at this table. daniel: heavy going. it's a world i have to research and read a lot about, particularly very depressing reading. we do have -- we don't have the klan in the u.k., but we have our very right wing skinheads. i've seen our version of those guys. charlie: is this about mike german's life? daniel: not specifically. pretty much everything in the movie is inspired by something true, something that happened to mike or something the director read during his research.
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there are things, details like, mike german really was given a copy of "how to win friends and influence people" and said it is the only undercover training you'll need. charlie: dale carnegie's book. daniel: it really was. the main thing you have in your disposal is the ability to make yourself useful. people won't kill you and they won't beat you up if they think you can do something for them. his back story was, when mike went undercover most of the time he was set up as a hardened criminal who would be able to help them. charlie: groups like this are constantly on the lookout for somebody infiltrating them. daniel: absolutely. i said to mike, did you ever get accused of being an fbi agent?
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he said yeah, all the time. not just him, they threw that around as an insult. charlie: i would assume it's in part looking to see if anybody pledges at all. daniel: i think you do have to have nerves of steel to do that. mike is a calm, measured character. that probably saved his life. he said, if you try and be a tough guy in a room full of tough guys -- charlie: when you created the character -- tell me what you thought you had to capture. was it the fearlessness or living with the fear? daniel: i think it was living with the fear, and really trying to show what undercover work is actually like. in the film we get used to depictions of being undercover which involve a lot of guns and
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violence. in reality if you fire a gun when you're undercover, you are the worst undercover agent in the world. the other things you haven't your disposal are your intelligence and charm -- have at your disposal are your intelligence and charm. and how hard the work is, in terms of the man hour you put into it or it for every hour you spend with the people surveilling, you spent two hours transcribing that hour. it's a very lonely life. the thing most exciting about the script is often you get a script which sets a character up as being smart and in the final 1/3 of the movie, he becomes jason bourne. this one stays true to the character they set up until the end. charlie: dylann roof in charleston was a white supremacist? daniel: i believe so. at the time this happened, at
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the time i read the script, it was around the time that dylann roof happened. there was a real reluctance on the part of people to refer to that as being terrorism. i think one of the points the film makes is that terrorism has lots of different forms. charlie: this is tony go let talking to nate, you, talking about timothy mcveigh. >> you seem like you have more going on than most around here. remember that oklahoma city? >> yeah. i guess i was 5, but sure. >> what do you know about timothy mcveigh? >> he was some kind of lone extremist?
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>> timothy mcveigh was a decorated gulf war veteran. he was not insane, he was not a lunatic, he was not stupid. he was a white supremacist following a plan from a book called "the turner diaries," about a race war to exterminate blacks, jews, and mud people. you know how the war got started? the hero drives a truck bomb into a federal building. timothy mcveigh was reenacting that scene from "the turner diaries." he was carrying the book with him when he was arrested and what he was trying to do was start the race war. you're focused on the islamic guys. i get it right we all create a narrative based on what we think is important. we see what we want to see. but just because you're not looking at something, doesn't mean it's not there.
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charlie and then there's the : question, you've been quoted on why they decided to do this. you said, somebody's life prior to that you had no meaning suddenly feels like they are engaged in something meaningful. as much as we want to demonize these people and their views, we should try to find a way of getting them into this conversation. the more you ostracize them and aggressively dismiss them, the more it plays into their world view that everything is a conspiracy against them. daniel: the moment you dehumanize them as they dehumanize other people, it's hard to have a conversation with somebody when you start from a place of telling them that they are stupid or less than you. you have to try to find some understanding, if we believe minds can still be changed, which i think they can. some people will believe this until they go to their grave. it has happened many times,
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former white supremacists have sort of recanted. for my own sanity, my belief in the world -- charlie: many people argue that we have to figure out in terms of the violent on a mental extremism -- fundamental extremism we're seeing in the middle east, figure out an alternative narrative so the young people will not find themselves lured to that. it's a place to belong, a place to engage. daniel: any time -- mike makes this great point where he says, if you can say if you're a guy who lost his job and his wife left him, you can say, that did not happen because i'm bad at my job and my wife doesn't love me anymore, it's because it's a global conspiracy. it's an appealing worldview to have it taken out of your control.
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tracy plays a radio broadcasting ideologue, who is inciting a lot of violence. that's one of the things that is very much true, this idea of lone wolfism, an idea perpetuated by the sort of intellectual elite of all of these not just white supremacist but any terror organizations, so they don't have to get their hands dirty, so they can spout this hate. and not get arrested for it. charlie: this is where nate is having his first undercover meeting with white supremacists. here it is. >> guys like you, with military backgrounds, we need those practices in our security. >> i think our security is pretty good. >> there's always room to improve, though.
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>> oh, yeah -- yeah? like what? >> look at the position of this booth and without looking, tell me what it's intersections are. >> we are ready for whatever goes down. >> with only him and you? >> and how do you think you know that? >> when you pat someone down so they are facing everybody's lap, it's easy to tell. in all these years you learn how to scan a room. charlie: what did mike tell you about the skills he needed to infiltrate? daniel: he really talked about maintaining his calm. he sort of cultivated a reputation as being the hippie nazi, who was really chilled out and no one could upset and he
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was very late act -- laid back. he made everybody liked him, was his main tactic. he said some possible to play a character -- it's impossible to play a character. he said, you have to be you as much as you can. you just have to be you with this set of views. charlie: this is the third film you've made this year. daniel: it's been a good summer. i've been doing a play as well in new york. charlie: a close last night? -- it closed last night? daniel: yes. charlie: some sense of how you try to find balance between place you want to do, because you can't really find a schedule that allows you to take that time off. daniel: absolutely. i think it will always be split
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75%, 25% of film and theater, but there's never been a play i've done where i haven't come away feeling like a better actor because of it. charlie: what is it about theater making you a better actor? daniel: it's partially confidence, a thing of knowing you can exist and do your job without the safety net of multiple takes and an editor. i do think it's partially when you have to do the same thing every night, you have to become more resourceful and imaginative. i think that definitely carries over into film. if you did 10 takes, you just have more ideas. charlie: do you look at your life and say, thank god i got a franchise role to play? daniel: kind of. i do. charlie: make any kind of film you want after that.
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daniel: at the moment, i've got the ability to be really picky and i don't have to do something unless i'm passionate. i've learned over the last few years that i will be better in something the happier i am while i'm doing it. i think -- especially when i look at my friends -- some of them are clamoring to get into franchises. i'm very lucky to have that behind me. charlie: you did not know it would last as long as it did. daniel: no. i did not know it would be a play. charlie: might they make that play into a film? daniel: i don't make assumptions. charlie: you haven't read the play. daniel: i'm about to have a holiday, so i will read it when i'm away. 15,000 pounds for some tickets. i would never close the door on
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that, but it depends how comfortable i am with where i am in my career, if i will go back to it. i just have to see where i am when and if the opportunity arises. charlie: much success. great to have you here. the flim opens on -- film opens on friday night. ♪
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>> i'm mark crumpton. you're watching "bloomberg west." hillary clinton campaigned in cleveland ohio today. one of the topics, gun control. she tried to reassure gun owners that if she becomes president, the second amendment will not come under attack. >> i'm not at all advocating any program that would in any way take peoples guns away. here's what i'm advocating. i want to help use they alive so that nobody who shouldn't have a gun in the first place gets one in hertz you or other people. mark: she also dismissed the shakeup and donald trump's campaign, saying that he has shown us who he is.

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