tv With All Due Respect Bloomberg September 4, 2016 3:00pm-4:01pm EDT
♪ john: welcome to the best of "best of with all due respect." with labor day right around the corner, we decided to take a look back at some of our best moments from the summer. even though temperatures may be cooling, the race for the white house is hotter than ever. clintonk, hillary focused on fundraising while donald trump zeroed in on immigration after crossing the border and meeting with the mexican president on wednesday. new polls show clinton's unfavorability rating is creeping up into donald trump
territory. el donaldo -- hours before his eagerly awaited address on immigration tonight in phoenix, arizona, trump sat down with the mexican president for a private discussion about that very issue, which the statement afterward trump called substantive, direct, but still with a sharp warning about open borders and open trade. mr. trump: in both mexico and the united states, this is a humanitarian disaster. having a secure border is a sovereign right and mutually beneficial. we recognize and respect the right of either country to build a physical barrier or wall on any of its borders to stop the illegal movement of people, drugs, and weapons. cooperation toward achieving this shared objective -- and it will be shared -- of safety for all citizens is paramount to both the united states and to mexico.
john: trump went on to say that he and pena had not discussed who would pay for that border wall. earlier today in a speech to the american legion in cincinnati, hillary clinton instructed voters to pay no attention to the man south of the border, telling them not to confer trust in trump just because he met with a world leader. ms. clinton: visiting countries, working together was my job every day as secretary of state. it's more than a photo op. it takes consistency and reliability, and it certainly takes more than trying to make up for a year of insults and insinuations by dropping in on our neighbors for a few hours and then flying home again. that is not how it works. john: we're going to talk about donald trump's integration speech in a moment, but this trip, hastily arranged, kind of haphazard and its organization -- in its organization and announcement, kind of a risky gambit for any presidential
nominee to undertake. did it pay off? nicolle: voters that maybe have not been paying close attention all summer, like we have, may have turned on the tv tonight and seen donald trump looking differently than he usually looks. he was in a foreign country standing shoulder to shoulder with a foreign leader. hillary clinton is right -- it is not a race everything he said over the past year and i think jeb bush would agree with that, too, but they are both trying to appeal to a small group of voters who really do not like either of them. ings not the typical sweene voter. it is a group of voters who are not sold on either one, and they may have seen a new donald trump today, it appears. john: trump was very low energy, making your old friend jeb bush look hyperactive. i think the reason that nominees go to foreign countries is to try to look presidential and give people a sense of what it might look like if they were president and had to do a lot of these meetings.
nicolle: that's why donald trump went. some go just to learn who the other leaders might be that they would work with. john: yes, it turns out that is why trump went today. be a, it turned out to conventional goal. which was to give the impression he could have a calm, sober, subdued appearance. i do not know if trump's core supporters look at that and say that's the tough talking donald trump who is going to take it to the mexicans. i don't know if they look at it. certainly for those people in the middle who look at that and worry that trump is such a hot head, that anything he does outside or on american soil is going to blow up, that was at least not blowing up. it was not a conflagration. nicolle: in terms of where he is, there are some voters out there that he showed up in a foreign country and did not get run out of the place -- that was a good day for him. eric, tell us what went down today in mexico city.
eric: absolutely extraordinary press conference today between donald trump and mexican president pena nieto. this all came together in the last 24 hours, from what we know. they agreed on a lot of things or said in the press conference they agreed on a lot of things, but at the same time, they skirted a lot of the hard issues. president pena nieto said trump's rhetoric has hurt the mexican people, perhaps a nod to the comment about rapists and criminals. donald trump said they discussed the wall and each country fell right to secure its border but , did not discuss who would pay for the wall. a lot of things that really damaged and been friction points in the relationship do not sound like they were on the agenda. a surprising and interesting meeting, but one in which we did not see that clash and some of those tensions on display. john: president pena nieto has
compare donald trump 2 -- talked about him in the context of adler, talked about him in the context of mussolini. how happy did he seem to be to be sharing the stage today? eric: president pena nieto looks very focused, very serious. we had been told there would be no questions, and then at the end of donald trump's statement, some of the reporters who had been covering him shouted questions. as donald trump is wont to do, he began answering them, and president pena nieto did not quite know what to do with that. he may have a longer track record on this than hillary clinton in terms of not holding a press conference, but i cannot remember the last time a -- we had a presidential press conference with questions in mexico, so he talked about that
rhetoric, which i just mentioned but it was a little bit of an , uncomfortable moment in terms of donald trump, as he often does, going off script. nicolle: what struck me was donald trump's comments about nafta. he said it turned out better for mexico than the u.s. do you have any reporting from mexico, is the government of that opinion? was there anything in this meeting or coming out of it about taking a fresh look at nafta? eric: that is certainly one place with the mexican government does not agree with donald trump. the mexican government is always highlighting the benefits to the u.s., talking about how much u.s. content goes into every dollar of exports from mexico. they talk about the benefits of cross-border production chains, supply chains, particularly the auto industry, a big one in mexico. when donald trump and president
pena nieto talk about modernizing nafta, i'm not sure they are talking about the same thing. john: when the news broke this morning that this was going to happen, a news report said there might be protest, might be outrage in the streets among mexicans about trump's arrival. how much of that actually played out yahoo! eric: we did not see a lot of that, but there was really scant time to be able to organize anything. behind me is the traditional rally and protest point, the angel of independence monument, and people who might have opposed this has less than 12 hours, or a little over than 12 hours really to organize things once the news came out, so we saw people going to twitter and talking about how mexico has so little to gain from this and trump is doing badly in the polls, so mexicans who oppose him talking about how this could really breathe new life into his campaign, but we have not seen a lot in terms of actual people
with libertarian candidate gary johnson getting 9% of the vote, green party's jill stein coming in at 4%. larry sabato is the director of the center for politics at the university of virginia. he is tracking polls and joins us now from uva to make us smarter and talk about the state of battleground states. what should we be paying more attention to? the to a numbers were the -- the two-way numbers or the four-way poll? larry: the two-way is much more indicative of how the race will probably turn out, and the six-point difference is probably closer to about five points for hillary clinton. there is research, and i think it is very good research, that the four-way race just by introducing the names of third-party candidates, you increase their support just -- especially in a race like this. their numbers will go down between now and november. john: i want to talk about some
battleground states. you say colorado, minnesota, wisconsin, michigan, virginia, all likely democrat, but a bunch of traditionally blue states are much closer than expected. where is hillary clinton most vulnerable right now? larry: she is vulnerable in iowa because almost half the population is white, noncollege, and that is trump's bailiwick. in nevada, she is him what -- somewhat vulnerable because they had been through a terrible recession, longer and deeper than the rest of the country. we all know north carolina is incredibly close. it always is. i tend to think it has a little bit of a blue tint this year. florida and ohio are highly competitive, but i still give clinton the edge. nicolle: what do you think -- what do you attribute the tightening this week to? hillary clinton's numbers now
look a lot like what they looked like after the comey press conference. it seems like when there is a scandal, she gets a tightening. when she had a couple good weeks, she widens the spread. do you think this is a pattern we can expect? larry: i think it is simply the gradual evaporation of the convention bounce. donald trump had a very brief convention bounce. it wasn't very impressive because, to be blunt, his convention was not very impressive. the democratic convention was excellent from a number of different perspectives. hillary clinton got a big ounce -- big bounce out of it, but just on schedule, the convention bounce has declined as we approach labor day, and we are back to a lead that makes sense. remember how polarized we are. i think it's very unlikely that
hillary clinton is going to do much worse than barack obama did in 2012 or much better than barack obama did in 2008 when everything was going the democrats' way. he won by seven points. john: larry, let's go back to the map and look at some of these states that are traditionally red states that people are now talking about the possibility the clinton campaign could put in play. they said today they are going on air, for example, in arizona. there's five other normally republicans take that could be in play -- georgia, arizona, and to some extent, maybe utah, kansas, missouri, south carolina. which one of those normally red states is a place where trump might be most vulnerable? larry: there are only two -- arizona and georgia. in the end, they will go for trump. but i will tell you, the margins for him as the republican nominee will be considerably lower than for other republican nominees -- the popular vote, that is -- but does not matter. as long as he gets one more vote than clinton in those states. but arizona and georgia are ripe
for the picking. yet, we are so polarized. on my map, i still kept them light red, simply because in the end, i tend to think the partisans will come home, but if i'm wrong, it will be about arizona and georgia. nicolle: finally, let's shift to the state of the senate races. you say democrats another slight favorite to win back the chamber. walk us through that path to victory, if you will. larry: sure. the senate's 54 seats, republican 46. democrats have to win for, -- democrats have to win four, wins the viceaine presidency. public and incumbents in illinois and wisconsin are likely to lose. the question becomes -- where do the other two seats come from? the most likely third is indiana where senator evan bayh is
trying to reclaim his old seat, and then i think pennsylvania and new hampshire are both leaning to democrats with republican incumbents. democrats only have to worry about nevada. happy my friend rob portman is not among those you are worried about. thank you so much for bringing us a look into your crystal ball. john: up next, republican political strategist and never trump-er discusses the democratic debate right after this. ♪
john: we are back with our republican smart guy who has advised paul ryan, mitt romney, and many others. dan i'm going to ask you to do , something that is sort of akin to asking the donald to be humble, which means it's not likely it would happen in the real world, but -- >> [indiscernible] john: pretend that you are
running donald trump's debate prep. dan: i would love that. john what would you do? : take it seriously. what do you think the challenges and main strategic objectives would be? dan: the first thing i would say is do not take the wrong lessons from the primary debates because what he is about to experience in the general election debate is nothing comparable. the primary election he was on a stage with 13 people, and all those debates were an hour and a half to two hours. the amount of time he was on for cumulatively -- what? 10, 15 minutes. he had a lot of breaks, not only ad breaks but when ted cruz and marco rubio were fighting. he had breaks in chris christie and marco rubio -- >> he gets to be king -- donny: he gets to be king of the hill. dan: but it's also stamina. i did debate prep with rubio and i would be at some of the debates even when you would see him backstage, he was exhausted. he did not like the debate prep
-- process much. he likes his moments, but he did not like standing up for hours and having to deal with all the fatigue associated with that. now he's on, 100 million people will be watching. it's him against one person. it's not him against 13 people. there are no breaks. there are no distractions, and hillary clinton has had much more debate experience that is relative to these kinds of -- relevant to these kinds of debates. her debate with bernie sanders in the last last half of the third, primary process are much more similar to what she will be dealing with with trump. her debates with barack obama basically one-on-one in 2008. she has much more experience. do mock debates. do lots -- apparently, he does not want to do mock debates. donny: he doesn't want to do a lot of stuff he has to do for the job. i want to ask both you guys -- i have a feeling regardless of what is on the docket, it will be just one debate. if somehow donald trump wins that debate, he will say good
night, drive safely. and if he gets humiliated, he's not going back up there, sought so i have a feeling this could be our only debate. any thoughts? john: it has always been my feeling that anything except the first debate is up for grabs for exactly the reason you're talking about. the trump campaign has not said they are committed to all three debates in these locations under the auspices of the presidential -- commission on presidential debates. i think there is a chance, donny, i think after the first debate things could change. dan: he would have to do so well for him to bail. even if he does well, i don't think he does well enough to say he's done. i have this locked. john: the problem is -- dan: the best he could do is probably bring most of the republican voters home, which is what happened to romney after the first debate. romney after the first debate against obama, he tightened up, and when you dig down, what really happened is he just brought home skeptical republicans. i think trump could do the same thing. that's not winning the election.
donny: if he does it, in the absence of negatives going forward -- let's say he wins not by three touchdowns but wins a solid debate and people start to think a little differently. i think his concern is that one ignorant gaffe, that one explosion, that howard dean moment. i love howard dean, but just doesn't example -- in the absence of a future john: let me negative. ask you about gary johnson. what are the implications? if johnson gets into the debate, it means what for each of them? clinton and -- dan: i used to think he was just a problem for trump, that he just would have had the potential to get disaffected public and voters unhappy with trip somewhere to go. getting them on the state allows that to happen. but you watch the positions he has taken, the arguments he has made, there's a lot that could reach out and appeal to hillary voters and appeal to bernie sanders voters. i think him being there is potentially a problem for both, and it's not clear to me who are -- who. i think there are voters that
should be going to both of them that could wind up going to johnson. if i were either of them i would not want him there. donny: if you were moderating and each had the gotcha question, you'll moderating, what would be compelling? you have one question for each. put them on the spot. john: i'm trying to come up with one of the top of my head. i think you would want to test trump on substance and policy in a way that does not feel ridiculous. that doesn't feel ridiculous like asking him to name the capital of some obscure place in the world. i'm not sure he could name -- >> the prime minister of britain. john: that sounded very condescending. but basic geography, questions about the constitution. he has been confused about the number of articles in the constitution before. trying to get him to reveal some glaring flaw that anyone who could be president of the united states should know the answer to , which he doesn't. dan: you don't even need to go that far.
you don't need a true gotcha . if you remember one of the last , debates where rubio started to press trump on policy or his health care plan, and rubio said, "i will give you my time. my time."give you imagine it hillary said, i will give you my time. explain your health care plan. and he couldn't. you don't have to do gotcha. just press him on basic policy. yield your time. john: what do you think would be the best question to go after clinton with in this context? dan: in terms of -- the toughest questions? i think dissecting the first term obama national security legacy. again, i would stick with policy and really make her own that period. the best shot republicans have against hillary is to make this election -- which it is and should be -- a change election and make it a third term of what many republicans think is a -- voters think is at worst a
failed, at best and unsatisfying presidency. make her own that. it's not pretty. the world is a mess. john: you saw mitt romney struggle with immigration and the hispanic vote up close in 2012, not being able to solve the deportation question. getting tagged as a self deportation advocate. what can trump do tomorrow to solve the problem he has between what the general electorate once and what his base demands? dan: i don't think much. if you believe tomorrow he is trying to say something to reassure latino voters as opposed to just, you know, white educated, as we talk, suburban voters. if you believe he is actually trying to reach latino voters, i just think hillary clinton, dnc, all these super pac's have a massive amount of resources to remind the electorate that regardless of trump -- of what trump says, this is what he has been arguing the past year.
i think we -- to follow these elections minute to minute, we tend to think this speech is important, that is important. this tv appearance, this cable show -- at this stage of the election, if you are a voter in ohio, are you paying that much attention? what is going to have a bigger impact on you, that or the 20 or 30 ads you are going to see during the week on your local broadcast channel reminding you that donald trump has trafficked in xenophobic rhetoric? i don't think one speech at this stage -- this stage of the general election, it's all about mass deployment of media and grassroots organization. a speech does not change that. john: just to be clear, dan is famously never trump. dan, thank you for being on the show. dan: it's not clear? john coming up, a 2-for-1 -- a of within the best of -- the best moments from both nominees' campaigns coming up.
john: congratulations. you survived your second -- yes, second -- summer of trump. for us at bloomberg politics, the last couple of months on the ew by so fast, fl we thought we would take a few moments to look at the plots, subplots, and sub-subplots of the summer. jake if you are saying he cannot : do his job because of his race, is that not the definition of racism? mr. trump: i don't think so at all. he is mexican. we are building a wall. >> many people are watching in horror. speaker ryan: it is the textbook definition of a racist comment. mark: the condemnation of the
figure the house of his own party is extraordinary. get used to it. there's going to be more of it. mr. trump: i will suspend immigration from areas of the world where there is a proven history of terrorism against the united states. speaker ryan: i do not think in a muslim ban is reflective of our principles, not just as a party, but as a country. mark: right now the biggest thing going on in this presidential race is a lot of the media, a lot of republicans, mostly who do not want trump to win, but some that do, think that this thing is being cooked right now in a way that would be difficult for trump to recover from. mr. trump: you know, the republicans -- honestly, folks, our leaders have to get tougher. this is too tough to do it alone. but you know what? i think i will be forced to. john: the notion you can go it alone, you can become president of the united states as the nominee of the republican party with no help from anyone, it is all me, all me -- that is not in touch with reality. >> donald trump used his signature line "you're fired" today. >> donald trump with a message for his campaign manager.
"you're fired." --n: why did jump get rid of why did trump get rid of corey lewandowski? mark: after months of tension, having two people try to run the campaign, bickering over personnel decisions, donald trump's children and other advisors convinced him he this had to be done now. mr. trump: hillary clinton may be the most corrupt person ever to seek the presidency of the united states. mark: i thought the themes trump chose about changing the washington, about the country not being able to rely on hillary clinton, questioning her veracity, i thought those were well-chosen. he will keep those up. >> the presumptive republican nominee reacted to the brexit news. mr. trump: i really do see a parallel between what is happening in the united states and what is happening here. saddam hussein was a bad guy. right? but do you know what he did well? he killed terrorists. john: it got as much, if not more, attention than the stuff he has said about hillary.
mark: in the republican veepstakes, speculation has reached critical mass. people are reporting pence is the choice for trump. he is a steady influence. he is a policy guy. he is the opposite of trump in a lot of ways. that will reassure people. governor pence: i have a great deal of respect for john mccain. >> do you think he went too far? mr. trump: you can say yes. it's ok. you can say yes. governor pence: clearly this man is not a politician. john: for a lot of people the performance of the two of them on "60 minutes" was cringe inducing in some ways, because you have mike pence saying these things about issues he does not clearly believe. -- melania trump's speech, p plagiarism. she copied michelle obama. mark: this has a lot of republicans back to being concerned about the competence of the campaign. they have done nothing to turn the page on a narrative which is killing them. senator cruz: stand and speak and vote your conscience. mark: everybody is still talking about the fallout from last
night, ted cruz's endorsement-less speech. john: there is no doubt he hurt donald trump. mr. trump: i humbly and gratefully accept your nomination. mark: i thought it was pretty good and it certainly ended the convention on a high note, compared to what they were facing a day before. mr. trump: russia, if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. john: there is no upside for donald trump to give ammunition to the democrats in this moment. gold star family's of u.s. service members killed in combat are demanding an apology from the republican nominee, who repeatedly tore into the appearance of captain khan's mother and father at the democratic convention. as if this is not enough trouble for donald trump, the campaign is dealing with a different controversy from over the weekend. mr. trump: he's not going into ukraine. ok? just so you understand. he's not going to go into the ukraine. john russia went into ukraine : two years ago. this was in the news. this is not something you have
to be a super expert to know about. >> we are moving forward. mark: make no mistake, while it could be worse, below the radar, below the scenes, there is panic in the republican party. mr. trump: we are reducing your taxes from 35% to 15%. i am going to cut regulations massively. mark: more than he ever has in this campaign, he said, it here is a coherent set of ideas that republicans -- and he hopes others -- can get on board with. mr. trump: if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. although the second amendment people, maybe there is. i don't know. mark: he loves to be a showman. he loves to joke. it was a joke that was not appropriate. mr. trump: i call president obama and hillary clinton the founders of isis. they are the founders. cnn: ratings challenged reports that i called hillary clinton and president obama the
founder of isis and m.v.p.. "they don't get sarcasm"? that might explain his new slogan -- trump 2016 -- could i be any lower in the polls? donald trump has shaken up and expanded his senior staff with three months left until election day. if kellyanne conway gets on the plane with trump, goes to events and keeps him focused, that improves his chances he could win. >> the campaign chair out. >> my father did not want the distraction looming over the campaign, and quite frankly, looming over the issues that hillary is facing now. mr. trump: you are living in poverty. your schools are no good. you have no jobs. what the hell do you have to lose? >> the nihilism of what do you have to lose -- as arguments go, i mean, you have to hand it to trump for innovating. john: el donaldo flew to mexico city for his first meeting with a foreign head of state. mr. trump: we did discuss the wall. we did not discuss payment of the wall. that will be for a later date. we will build a great wall along the southern border in mexico -- along the southern border. and mexico will pay for the
wall. john: the weather report in hillaryland was a little stormy, a little breezy, and a little heated. for your viewing pleasure, here is a quick recap of clinton's summer non-vacation. ms. clinton: i believe the person the republicans have nominated for president cannot do the job. mark: it was a sustained attack on trump and she showed that she could do it with humor and i would say elegance, and despite what trump said about her, pretty good performance skills. last night the associated press reported that clinton had reached the mega-majestic magic number she needs to advance the general election as her party's standardbearer. ms. clinton: bridges are better than walls. john: she leaves this race with a bigger head of steam that a lot of people expected she would. mark: democrats have more confidence in her performance ability than they have had in months. president obama: i am fired up, and i cannot wait to get out there and campaign for hillary. mark: the coordination between this president and his chosen successor is tighter than any other time in modern history. ms. clinton: the orlando shooter
may be dead, but the virus that poisoned his mind is very much alive. john: she is playing at a very high level. she still has room to grow. her biggest weakness, i started to say, is still the record. ms. clinton: we faced terrorist enemies who use a perverted version of islam to justify slaughtering innocent people. so, if donald suggests i will not call this threat what it is, he has not been listening. economists on the right and the left and the center all agree. trump would throw us back into recession. john: i thought this was solid, sharp, strong. it made the case she wanted to make. not as effective as the first one, the foreign policy driven one. partially because that would -- that one had the element of surprise. senator warren: i am here today because i'm with her. yes, sir.
mark: does she look, to you, at that event like hillary clinton's running mate? john: if hillary clinton was smart, she would consider elizabeth warren very seriously for this job. ms. clinton: after more than two taken by $7 million the benghazi committee at of taxpayer funds, it had to report today that it found nothing. mark: the republicans could not have played more into hillary clinton's hands and her campaign's hands on the the matics of how do you investigate clinton? the clinton campaign is getting blowback for an ordinary, and in some ways extraordinary, private discussion between bill clinton and attorney general loretta lynch. >> bad judgment. horrible judgment. mark: this will add to the partisan tension of the decision in a way that was unnecessary. director comey: although we did not find clear evidence that secretary clinton or her colleagues intended to mishandle classified information, they were extremely careless. we are expressing to justice our
view no charges are appropriate in this case. john: the story is binary. indictment or no indictment. if director comey recommended that charges be brought against her this would be one of the , worst days in hillary clinton's life. she may not be the democrat nominee and might not be the president of the united states. ms. clinton: please join me in welcoming the president of the united states, barack obama. president obama: hillary! hillary! john: the crowd here was in love with what they saw on stage. the clinton people loved it, too. they think that is very powerful. once a critic of hers, now a convert. they think that is a big, powerful plus. director comey: no reasonable prosecutor would bring the case in 100 years based on gross negligence. should have known, must've known, had to know does not get you there. mark: hillary clinton won the day.
comey helped her a lot, but so did the republicans. they were not ready for the strategy. it was not as bad as the benghazi hearing. but they did not have the strategy. senator sanders: hillary clinton will make an outstanding president and i am proud to stand with her today. john: it was already a raucous, rocking rollicking convention , and we are just getting started. sanders supporters infuriated by revelations brought to light by the dnc's wikileaks e-mail lake eak this weekend. sarah silverman: can i just say to the bernie or bust people, you are being ridiculous. senator sanders: i move that hillary clinton be nominated as the democratic candidate for president of the united states. ms. clinton: i accept your nomination. john: all of the speakers across all of those nights prosecuting that case in that frame is why they will be more successful than the cleveland convention. ms. clinton: director comey said that my answers were truthful and what i have said was consistent with what i have told the american people. john: this e-mail thing has taken a huge toll on hillary clinton. she has paid a big political price. mark: these e-mails show a pattern of clinton doing what
the critics suggest -- moving stuff along so everybody wins, except in some cases, critics would argue, the american people. vice president biden: hillary understands the most damaging thing to a parent is to look at a talented child or a sick child or a child in need and not be able to do anything. >> the biggest hole they need to fill quickly is around the clinton foundation. this is a thing that has been teed up for years. the fact that the clinton campaign is still taking foreign donations at this point seems highly questionable as a piece of strategy. john: today, the ap reported more than half of hillary clinton's meetings with people outside of the government while she was secretary of state was with individuals who gave money to the clinton foundation in some way. >> it was clearly a case if there was ever a quid pro quo that gets established where a donor asked for something and the state department changed foreign policy, it will be explosive. we don't have that yet.
but there is still something seedy. ms. clinton: donald trump has built his campaign on prejudice and paranoia. he is taking hate groups mainstream. john: they have gotten very good at flipping the bit. at getting people to focus on trump because he gives them so much ammunition. ms. clinton: you don't build a coalition by insulting our friends or acting like a loose cannon. you do it by putting in the slow, hard work of building relationships. john: this summer has resented -- presented an election season of unprecedented events. our favorite moments from the past few months -- that is up next. ♪
in the book to understanding what is happening in 2016? >> you have to go to wallace in 1968. just because wallace tapped into the anger with regular blue-collar workers and the elite and got to the crux of it, which is the fancy pants elite makes all of these decisions that you pay for and where not -- and we are not going to stand for it anymore. i feel like that is a very similar sentiment. then you get the idea that wallace -- the voters always said, he speaks his mind. there is the sense that wallace said something other people weren't. mark: the first presidential candidate i covered was bill clinton. and i thought, wow, presidential candidates are interesting and great speakers and they work 20 hours a day. your first candidate equally unusual -- trump. what is it like to cover trump day-to-day? >> it is a wild roller coaster ride, or as i said in the article, a hurricane making
landfall on a daily basis. you never know what is going to happen with trump. you cover him. you could be doing one story up until 5:30, and at 6:30, the nightly news comes around and he will tweet something or say something that upends the entire process. i never thought i would hear someone running for president say that someone was "schlonged." >> i think you'll see more pop culture and politics, more of what we in the movie business call pre-aware titles move into the place. but i think the voters will develop more of a filter where maybe a kardashian is not a good idea, but someone who did their homework, like a clooney on the left or gary sinise on the right could be an attractive candidate. john: espn at some point and you and said, make a longform documentary on o.j. simpson. you were not thrilled by that topic initially. what turned you around? >> the idea that they came to me with the larger canvas, which was we want to do five hours. as soon as we got to be five hours part of it, what i was reluctant to do was a story
about his guilt or innocence or a regurgitation of the trial. as soon as it happened that i had a bigger canvas to work with, i said, oh, i can tell a story about l.a., race in america, race in los angeles, about who oj was from a racial identity standpoint, a story about the lapd. a story about things that i feel like have been overlooked in explaining the events of 94-95. >> if donald trump were not our nominee and hillary clinton had had the couple of days she did, our nominee would be up 10 points. and if hillary were not the nominee and it were another democrat -- he is obviously very -- she is obviously very flawed, running against a guy like him, the democratic nominee would be up 15 points. right now we have these two very flawed candidates and i think it is tragic for the republicans that we are reminded of yet another missed opportunity in the cycle. mark: evaluate how the convention has gone from the point of view of uniting the party behind donald trump. >> i think we are moving the right direction. i think coming out of this week
, we are going to be largely united, if not entirely. that is important, because in the end, a united party is not enough. republicans do not make a majority in this country anymore then do democrats. we have got to come out if -- up here ready to appeal to moderates and disaffected democrats. mark: what about the bernie people? where do the people of minnesota stand? what is their mood? >> we have had an incredibly positive mood in our delegation. we worked really hard. maybe we are a caucus state and we are kind of used to this. we are used to protest. nothing is always rosy. keith ellison, who introduced bernie, is a congressman from our state, we announced the delegate count together, and we worked very hard to make sure we come together. and i think you will see that in our delegation. of course, you are going to get people yelling here and there. it is the convention. it's the democratic party. but overall this notion that people who want to do something about climate change will support a guy who say it is a hoax perpetrated by the chinese
or, you know, someone who wants to do more with diplomacy is going to support a guy who says, you know, basically tells russia to engage in espionage -- i mean, this does not feel like the bernie supporters to me. john: was there any time during the democrat nomination fight you thought she might lose to bernie sanders? james: i can't say i wasn't nervous, but i never thought she would lose. once i thought about it, just like in the general -- oak him a -- people call, did you see this? i would get nervous. i would come back and think about it. well, this much of this and that much of that. then i don't get nervous. >> this is what makes me qualified. one of the biggest challenges this country faces is the threat of islamist terrorism. i am the only credible candidate who has any experience whatsoever firsthand fighting terrorists. i know exactly what needs to be done to defeat isis and other such groups and on day one, i can start that process.
i have 100% confidence in that. i have zero doubt this is my wheelhouse -- kellyanne: i will make you a deal. i will look you in the eye. i will ask him to release his tax returns and hillary clinton, , what about 30,000 e-mails? [indiscernible] some smart kid out in silicon valley, they can get them. mark: what percent chance that trump will win? >> looking at the august polls, 20% or less. kellyanne: 20% or less that a major party candidate would win? >> hillary clinton is winning. i will say what you said, to be fair -- it is august. i think there is plenty of time. mark: you're both numbers people . i want numbers from both of you. what is trump's floor in the popular vote? >> 40-something percent. 42%, pre-3%. mark: hillary clinton's ceiling
in the popular vote? kellyanne: with gary johnson? about 47%. mark: oh, then you will win. kellyanne: we could win. >> eventually everyone gets tired. once the election is over, everyone is exhausted and no one wants to be involved anymore. but my hope is that a show like "hamilton" keeps that interest piqued, keeps those 15-year-olds and 16-year-olds -- i'm going to find out a little bit more about what happened before i was born so i can understand how the context works out. john: coming up, we talk about ch about own will leit the controversy around san francisco 49ers quarterback colin kaepernick. stay tuned. ♪
inaugurated, and when colin kaepernick refused to stand for the national anthem. just to catch it you up, here is what he said on sunday about his sitting protest on the treatment of african-americans when the press asked if this election season played any part in the timing. colin kaepernick: it was not a timing thing. it was not something that was planned. but i think the two presidential candidates we currently have represent the issue we have in this country right now. >> do you want to expand on that? colin kaepernick: i mean, you have hillary, who has called black teens or black kids super predators and you have donald trump who is openly racist. i mean, we have a presidential candidate who has deleted e-mails and done things illegally and a presidential -- -- and is a presidential candidate -- that doesn't make sense to me. if that was any other person, they would be in prison. so, what is this country really standing for?
>> [indiscernible] can you see people say, why the outrage in a country that has elected a black president, has done many things -- colin kaepernick: it has elected a black president, but there are also a lot of things that haven't changed. john: our friend and contributor will leitch has a column calling this protest "a pivotal moment." he writes "there will be a lot of players who will not appreciate the position colin , -- putck but the men them in, even if they agree with it, because he forced them off the sidelines. you can't dance between the raindrops forever." will is here with us now from atlanta. the great will leitch. will, pivotal moments. go into more detail about your argument here.
will: we have had moments in recent history with lebron james and dwyane wade, they wore hoodies to support the family of trayvon martin. there has never been anything too controversial. it's not something the people that pay them would be so upset. this is different. it is one thing to wear a hoodie in support of trayvon martin. it's another thing not to stand up for the flag, particularly in the nfl, where the military gives money to nfl teams to promote them on the field. what this did was -- you did not have to go to every major black athlete after lebron james wears an "i can't breathe" t-shirt and ask what is your stance on that? this seems to have crossed over. they may not know all of the details of the "i can't breathe" shirt. they understand this. you will see major black athletes all asked about this. john: thank you for watching the latest edition of the best of "with all due respect." and if you are watching us in washington, d.c., you can listen
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