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mark: let's begin with the check of first word news. president obama and congressional leaders are meeting at the white house trying to everett a government shutdown at the end of the month. among the items on the agenda are a funding bill to fight the zika virus. the bill is the only must pass piece of legislation ahead of the november presidential election. the cease-fire in syria rocard over the weekend by washington and moscow is underway. the garment provides a window for potential government strikes until the u.s. and russia again joint coordinated attacks in a week. the truce was timed to coincide with the start of the muslim holiday. eu leaders will meet in malta to discuss the road ahead after britain leaves.
malta says the informal talks excluding written are planned to spur momentum for the new european order. malta takes over the eu's rotating presidency next year. david cameron is giving up his seat in parliament. he tells itv that he would be a distraction for the new premise to. -- new prime minister. i am mark crumpton. this is bloomberg. bloomberg west does next. ♪ emily: this is bloomberg west.
coming up, $22 billion wife's out -- wipeout samsung us market cap. the company promotes a young leader. and self driving car technology back in the spotlight. the biggest companies are struggling to chart the path to market. facebook messenger releases new tools round box and businesses. we will hear from the head of messaging about his vision for the service. first to the lead. tesla shares rising after elon musk reveals updates to the electric cars autopilot feature. it has been under fire after a driver was killed when his car collided with a truck on a florida highway. he was using the autopilot feature. elon musk says these updates would have saved this driver's life. how so? we are having some technical difficulties.
-- it should have been able to identify a truck that was in the path of the driver. picture, the bigger how does this fit into the future of tesla and what else elon musk wants to do when it comes to the economy? >> i think the real differentiator for tesla is that more than 90,000 cars are driving every day with an tesla says it is giving about 1.5 million miles of real world data every single day. gives them an enormous leg up from competitors still testing the technology. say what you will that musk going first in beta testing, cars are learning from each other. emily: how are investors digesting these updates, there has been a lot of news coming
out of tesla along with the merger. however -- how are investors digesting this? dana: shares rose a little bit because tesla is proving it can make improvements to the technology and they will continue to do so. the fleet learning is an aspect that no one else really has and the -- [inaudible] emily: remind us and the difference in strategy between elon musk and google which is going after fully economist cars. blessed when they have tested -- google said when they have tested self driving features it is too confusing whereas elon musk says the features are the future. dana: everyone, the goal of everyone is full of ptolemy. the difference is strategy, how do you get to market.
it is better to roll out these features incrementally over time and continue to improve them than to wait for full autonomy. tesla maintains that despite the -- despite the death in florida at the technology is saving lives and helping people to avoid accidents. it is a question of strategy and the time frame but everyone is going for full economy as the endgame. emily: thank you so much for that update. -- will take the new position next week. lending club had a tumultuous year. last year the ceo resigns amid an internal probe of a botched sale of loans. that paired with global market turmoil at the start of the year and an uptick in loans cents
shares tumbling. still ahead, shares of samsung lunging. wiping out nearly $22 billion of market value. how some son is trying to turn around -- samsung is trying to turn around its prices. as it down with the head of facebook messaging next. -- i sit down with the head of facebook messaging next. ♪
emily: facebook messenger has over a billion users and 300 million using its audio and video calling features every month. all this is the company rolls out a new platform with better tools for box and businesses including easier ways to pay and check out when it comes to e-commerce. i sat down with the vice president of messaging and asked about the expansion of ai and more. >> the way we think about this, you can target the right demographic users and we have messengers that intends completion. we plan to build more bridges
between those two. with a new release you can do multiple things like you can have automated exchanges or human powered exchanges inside of the thread and as identity, now transactional capabilities but you can draw ui that you can use to render the right ui. ui can be better than enter -- conversational interfaces. with that we're going to have really good experiences. emily: we use sms less or amazong less. -- amazon less. there is so many sellers out there and merchants and visitors to do not have the benefit of
the potential that is stored with your identity. and for all of the other players out there it is hard to go from intent creation to or -- or to have people download their app. in france there is match.com that has a brand there. you have done a asheville tailgating experience inside messenger and they are seeing a 2x conversion. in india there is another bot that takes care of bill paying and they have 10x conversion. emily: must people still use sms
for messaging. how do you see the balance tipping? >> what we are seeing is in developed markets and markets where messenger is an app that people use a lot to message like the u.s. and canada, western europe, what we're seeing is gradually more people are using messenger and the use texting west. just because now they can find almost everyone they want to talk to on messenger they do not need to have a phone number two fine them. a name is enough. you have these great abilities like live video. you can even start streaming without the other person responding. and so you have more capabilities on messenger that makes it more differentiated and better to communicate not only one-on-one but also in groups and with businesses and services. emily: you are doing more
e-commerce. what point, are we at the point where you are taking a cut of the revenue, is facebook making money? >> facebook is making money out of selling you the newsfeed that takes you to messenger. it enables advertisers to buy an ad that will get you in a thread with a business in messenger. we are creating more demand and as we build the ecosystem on messenger we will create more supply on messenger. that is later. for now we are focused on creating that ecosystem. we are -- the business is advertising and we believe if we can help businesses grow their business that is great. that is what we will focus on and there is more value for everyone there. emily: when it comes to bots you have a new way to share with friends. you have any concerns about this turning into a spammy experience?
>> we have clear rules if you are a developer and we have great control for people to block or mute conversations they do not want to get notified. we feel pretty good about that. emily: will there be a bot store? >> i don't like to call it a hot store. what we want is fluid conversations and experiences. when we add more discovery services to enable brands to get their experience like surface, right now we feel that we have the greatest surface on earth maybe to get the discovery which is newsfeed and we are going to leverage that great product to basically bring people to the experience. emily: that was david marcus head of facebook messenger. we will have more on the future
on the e-commerce agenda. we will hear from the vice president. and shares of samsung plunging to the lowest levels in two months wiping out $22 billion of market value in today's. south korea's largest company has issued a massive recall of its flagship smartphone mother note 72 it -- due to an issue of the phone catching fire. samsung has told customers to stop using it. jay li has been nominated to the board. he has been helping to run samsung since his father suffered a heart attack two years ago. joining me, cory johnson. jay li has been in charge of the company.
his father is very ill. what do you make of this latest move at this point in time? >> a think this is -- i think this is a key move to advance him. he has been running the company in the background. given this crisis he is out front, he is the public face of the company which is important to calm the ship and give everyone confidence. that send sound -- samsung can see this through. emily: he is looked at as a more global leader, he speaks english, he is more out there, tell us more. >> he is much homer. his father is famous for having smashed a lot of product to tell his employees they need to do better. he is much more calm and focused driven and he will work well
with people in the industry. he is known to have good ties with apple. he is the type of leader who will take and steady the ship through the storm and be able to take and find the focus going forward. emily: let's talk about the market reaction. it has not been good for samsung. the future is uncertain as to whether they will be able to manage this recall bit.ly. -- appropriately. corey: the market cap is down 22 billion. you could say this is an overreaction. what is interesting about this thing is you could look at the way the company works. imagine the problems could spill over. we have reports that airplanes, white attendance are being told to tell people turn your -- you
cannot take that note 7 on an airplane. do you trust a flight attendant to know the difference? emily: what about all samsung phones? corey: we have got this agreement, the stuff in the paint, that is selling phones for samsung. the pink stuff is important. it is the profits for the phone business. even though phones are all of their business it is much of the prophet situation. it is a big issue. while they dominate in terms of market share, that is iphone revenue. you can see that almost all the time my phone revenues are greater than samsung revenues. apple is getting more profits,
although simpson does not release those numbers. we have a company that is highly reliant on their devices, not massively profitable. we have seen their lead slip and that is imperiled by missing the product cycle. emily: what do you see is the best and worst case for samsung? >> that would be people become an confident -- not confident they can take their phones on a plane. if the revenues drop in sales dropped. the best case scenario is that essentially this replacement plan they have in place where in a week the phones will be out, the batteries are fixed, everyone regains confidence, they view samsung as a company that had one problem but they worked through it and worked with their customers and compensated them and every one moves on. in terms of broader competition this is an important point for them. they had taken and had a successful launch of the galaxy 7. essentially a downturn. it is important to maintain
constant -- customer confidence. you could see continued slippage especially with the new iphone seven coming out. the one event as they may have is -- advantage they may have is they have plug in headphones. it could help or hurt samsung as they move forward. corey: every iphone seven will ship with a plug so you can use your headphones as long as you want. emily:, chubb and opening do you think this leaves for apple? corey: that is a great question. i think the switch to another company will be easier.
they will cell phones and lose money on every sale. because their android operating system is not greatly differentiated the risk of people shifting from samsung to something else is substantial and it is a bigger worry. and then the notion that iphone switchers can stay on the iphone through multiple generations, that is a big problem. emily: they are accused of great -- agreeing to not poach each other's employees, that has held down wages. suddenly not unusual. we have heard of google and apple -- what is your take? corey: it shows you how weak workers are across the world. emily: is there anything that makes this different than some of the anti-poaching agreements we have seen in the past? >> the only caveat is they look
into this, because they are creative companies there is this culture of lifetime employment and so a lot of sought -- samsung employees might not think to cross over to the other side. this might be the one factor that is somewhat different in this case. emily: always great to have you with us. as well as our editor at large cory johnson. thank you. still to come, two startups with skyhigh valuations. the ceo joins me later this hour as fantasy sports hits peak season. and the salesforce ceo joins us for an exclusive interview. ♪
we spoke to him and he said chinese under printers are like wolves in terms of competition. i asked about the growing trend of investors flowing into the united states' tech companies. >> there is a lot of money in china because secondary markets, stock markets and real estate are not such great markets as they used to be. so people who made a lot of money are finding a good place to invest. secondly the chinese tech valuation is at least 2x the american tech valuation. you take to comparable companies, the chinese company will be 2x more expensive. it is natural for investors to say let's go bargain-hunting in the u.s.
emily:'s innovation -- they want to add to their portfolio. and another story we are watching, protera unveiling a new line of buses capable of traveling 50 miles on a single charge. it a specs the industry will have to buy 50,000 buses over the next six years as the nation's coal-fired plants close. transportation is likely to surpass electricity production as the nation's largest source of greenhouse gases. it is already chewing killed when it where it makes up 37% of emissions. still ahead, pittsburgh get ready. uber's self driving volvos will hit the street. we will ask white google -- why google does not have a pass to market their vehicles. this is bloomberg.
>> the chances of a september rate hike had slid to 22% after lyle brainard remained dovish on tightening. she is the last fed to speak before next week's meeting. cited jobs and unemployment. the ceo saiys the fed needs to maintain credibility, and now is the time to raise rates. over in china, where we are watching the economy showing signs of rebounding after july's hiccup, factory output rose from a year ago, beating the median estimate. investment in retail sales also exceeded expectations.
the numbers are building another reason data that helped shore up countries with better than expected trade figures. has nominated the heir apparent to the board to tackle the worsening smartphone crisis. regulators, airlines, and samsung itself have all told customers to stop using the note 7 phones for fear the battery will overheat and catch fire. recent lawsuits could add up to $22 billion in value, wiped away. global news, 24 hours a day, powered by over 2600 journalists and analysts in more than 120 countries. bloomberg this is bloomberg. we are also seeing a recovery in the market. let's get the latest with juliette. juliette: yes. a relief rally, but not as strong as most had expected or
anticipated. japan coming back online, and we are seeing some more strength back into the market, up by 2/10 of 1%. a lot of quick movement coming from tech stocks. hong kong is still holding onto its earlier gains, up 5.9%, reacting to something better than expected in the chinese market, but we have seen weakness in shanghai. i want to show you some very impressive moves in china. these are three companies that have made their stocks trading up. they have all had the daily limit high. digital which has risen by 44%, a digital technology company. also pharmaceuticals and chemicals, all hitting that daily limit. china is certainly continuing. let's have a look at these markets in the red, the ones that were closed. they missed out on the rout and
we are seeing some catch up coming through. new zealand is also being sold off today. lunchtime. ♪ emily: this is "bloomberg west." i'm emily chang. it is time to greet the week and dive into the tech stories that are front and center in the dates a-- days ahead. it could be any day that we see uber's self driving volvo hit the streets of pittsburgh. the pilot comes at a time of uncertainty for google's car unit, one of the earliest efforts in the space. googles project has seen slow progress and executive departures. it appears there is a risk of falling behind companies like huber and tesla -- uber and tesla.
joining me our bloomberg reporters who cover self driving cars and technology. google has lost the head of the -- that person has now been replaced. talk to us about the struggles that google is having. >> one of my sources called it a "seven-year itch that's been going for about seven and a half years." they don't have a major partner to make cars and to put their software in. they don't have a popular ridesharing app, which is another way to get into this. there's not a lot of sign they
are breaking through from a research projects -- project to a business. emily: they don't have a partner, they don't have a salesforce, they don't have a strategy, at least as far as we know. >> chrysler -- that's a start. it's not actually having an autonomous 8:00 on the road, as uber is doing. tesla has tens of thousands of vehicles out on the road. i was speaking with someone a few weeks ago. they reckon that tesla was gathering at least one miles of driver data every day -- one million miles of driver data every day. google says it has gathered 1.8 million miles over the lifespan of its project. such a difference. emily: it's still an clear who is going to own the relationship with the customer and how this is going to work. is it going to be google? is it going to be fiat chrysler? it's really confusing. alistair: the waze app is going to start a pretty limited ridesharing test in san francisco. that might be the way to do it, but it's really only in one or two cities at the moment. one of google's investors -- the speculation was uber would be the way to go, but uber is doing their own technology now. emily: i wonder how surprising it is for people in the industry that uber post a bunch of engineers from carnegie mellon and managed, in a short span of time, to get their first -- there first.
alistair: building a car is very complex, like 30,000 components. that makes smartphone pale in comparison. what these companies are doing, google, uber, even apple eventually -- the software stuff that goes on top of that, which is perhaps less intensive from a manpower perspective, that's where the value is going to be created, is in the software. the carmakers don't want to let all the value go to these new entrants and they are just left as metal bashers. they don't -- they have incentive not to let google in and gather that value creation. emily: you reported a few weeks back that apple is struggling with its own car unit. they are closing departments. they are laying people off. what's going on? >> people do not know or apple does not quite know how it's
going to make money from this business. where are they going to bring the added value? the new head of the project, an apple veteran, as we wrote three or four weeks ago, he is reviewing the project to focus on building a platform -- a software platform. autonomous driving, entertainment capabilities, that sort of thing. they think the hardware stuff could be done more easily by other people. it's more of a commodity. emily: apple has never confirmed they are working on a car. we don't even know. alistair: uber is maybe starting a pretty limited service in a few days' time, maybe. but you could argue that those types of companies are just about to find out how hard this type of technology is. google has been doing it for a long time. they don't have a partner, but it's a very hard thing to do. emily: right. and it's certainly not unlike apple to be last to market. wait until everybody else makes the mistakes, then make it better than anybody else.
another story we are watching, there may be more regulations on the way for tech companies operating in europe. services like skype and whatsapp may be asked to comply with regulations -- skype might be told to allow customers to receive calls from regular phones and even allow those customers to keep numbers if they switch to different providers. they have to have emergency calling services as well. how would this work? >> the european commission can be a bit of a black box. they've managed to get out the information about the regulation of this industry, essentially placing them on the same level as the telco operators. it's been a bit of a bugbear for these companies. facebook messenger came to market. that killed a whole revenue stream for the telco companies, namely sms's. emily: how big of a bugbear, alistair? alistair: it could be a really big one.
the main problem telcos have is, you know, these over-the-top internet services are acting more and more like regular phone calling services. and yet these internet companies don't have to play by the same rules. it's a bit similar to the net neutrality debate that we had over here, where google and other companies seemed to fight that as well. especially in europe, where the telcos are the big businesses in europe and they don't have big internet companies, it does not bode well. emily: alastair bear -- alistair bair and alex webb, thank you. a private equity firm has raised billions for its latest round with plans to keep pursuing software and other tech buyouts. this latest fund is more than twice the size of the pool of -- pool thoma bravo raised in 2014. coming up tomorrow, do not miss an interview with the father of google cars.
i sat with liu to discuss why she is launching this effort now. >> we have hosted different women product managers from selecting valley at dinner every couple of months -- from silicon valley at dinner every couple of months. women are speaking, recruiting, talking to folks. we said, why isn't there something similar for women in products? at -- at dinner, we decided why don't we put one on themselves. there are women across multiple companies putting this together. emily: we've been talking about a lack of women in tech and in engineering, specifically. women in product or people in product don't need to have an engineering background, but what are the unique issues that face women in product roles? deborah: a lot of people do have technical degrees, but it's not required. if getting into the field, it helps to have a technical degree. less than 20% of the degrees in
engineering are earned by women. emily: facebook, the leadership of said -- of sheryl sandberg, very focused on this issue. facebook has 17% women in technical roles. why is it so hard to make the numbers move? deborah: it is everyone's responsibility. everyone at every level. if you look at the numbers of what makes a product better, what makes teams better, it's diverse city. but the challenge is -- it's diversity. but the challenge is -- i was telling someone a story about my daughter. she is seven. she wanted to learn how to code. i took her to a school where they tested her. the teacher says, ok, she is welcome to come to our school, but there are no girls during the week. there are only girls who come to the class during the weekend.
at seven years old, girls are already feeling like they don't belong. if this is how it is early on -- you look at that -- the stats all the way through attrition. women are leaving tech at the rate of four times that of men. it's hard to retain diverse candidates, especially women. we can change that. there are systematic things people can do. uggla found out having a woman in the interview process increased -- google found out having a woman in the interview process increased the likelihood that a woman would join. there are so many great people out there.
we just haven't found them yet. our job is to find them and bring them in. emily: what do you think is behind attrition? deborah: a lot of women leave later in their careers, in their 30's, when they start having kids. i have three kids. my const -- my husband and i are constantly juggling. having a generous parental leave policy encourages people to come back from parental leave and get more engaged in the work force. if we can find ways to lower attrition by solving some of the really simple problems, the friction that all of us face, then i think that makes it a lot easier for people to stay in the industry. emily: your focus, your product focus is e-commerce. give us an update on facebook's efforts in e-commerce. this is something facebook has been talking about for a long time, but we have not seen it come to fruition. deborah: we want to connect people to buy and sell. it's another way of connecting people. messaging is one way. a lot of businesses have pages, but they are also communicating through messenger. they are using whatsapp to close transactions. facebook, as a whole, is about connecting people, connecting people to engage in commerce is another evolution of how we want to connect the world. emily: what's the latest on the buy button? deborah: there's also a messaging button where you can message sellers.
one product we have is allowing people to buy and sell in groups. you can see, for us, it's not just a singular product. it's actually figuring out what solve the fundamental problem, connecting buyers and sellers. emily: did the buy button work? it has yet to be deployed on a broad scale. deborah: the buy button is us -- a part of a broad set of tools we have. instead of clicking a transaction and putting in a credit card, people might do cash on delivery. sometimes, we are exploring how to use messaging and integrating it more in the commerce space. emily: facebook vice president of platform and marketplace deb liu. coming up, peak season for daily fantasy sports play is underway. we check in with draftkings' ceo next. this is bloomberg. ♪
emily: linkedin cofounder reid hoffman is the latest silicon valley heavyweight to get his money involved in politics. he's offering to donate $5 million to veterans if donald trump releases his tax returns in time for the presidential debate. hoffman saw a challenge by a veteran. the challenge stated that he would donate any of the money raised to a nonprofit that assists veterans if trump releases his returns by the final date of the last debate. if he meets the target, hoffman declared he will match the total amount by five times, up to $5 million. the nfl's 2016 season just kicked off. that means fantasy site draftkings -- it's been a rocky road for the company. we caught up with the draftkings ceo, jason robins. jason: i think that this year was a little bit of a very pinpoint strategy for us, where we were very focused on driving other apps back to the game. we tapered down the big
guaranteed contests. we focused instead on trying to drive volume into the social play. that was up about threex -- 3x year-over-year, which was awesome. what we expected and wanted to do, we accomplished in week one. emily: we've talked about the regulatory battles you've been dealing with. you've also raised $150 million. what was your experience raising funds in this environment, given the other issues you're dealing with? jason: it was helpful for us to have the product we've had on the regulation front this year. eight different states have passed bills, including new york, which was the state of the initial controversy. that gave investors confidence
that this is an industry that's going to move to a regulated state, and there will be some changes. or have been some changes -- there have been some changes, but we are equipped to handle it. emily: how did investors respond to this? the reports were that you raised a lower valuation than was discussed. is that correct? jason: we are not disclosing valuation. there have been a lot of changes, not just our industry, but to the overall capital market. we don't disclose information on our valuation. emily: what was the fundraising climate and response you encountered? jason: everybody was really focused on what the actual quantifiable impacts of regulation for the industry, what do you expect your tax rate to be, do you expect changes to your conversion rate or usage because of the new rules that have been put in place. for us, it was important to be able to have some states, particularly big ones like new york and massachusetts, that actually allow people to put rules in place and put some numbers around that.
we have to show how we are going transition -- going to transition to being a regulated company without showing any downtick in the numbers. emily: it seems we are seeing less of a focus on the big jackpots, more on the social aspects of fantasy play. is that right? jason: this was always something we talked about. if you look at the traditional energy market, it's about 57 million players right now -- traditional fantasy market, it's about 57 million players right now. i wouldn't be surprised if bloomberg had a fantasy site at some point. at first, 5 million, 10 million people joined. they recruited their friends. the next 40 million people came in because their friends brought them. it's important for us to follow that evolution, to leverage the millions of people who were
brought on, who are huge fantasy fans. for a lot of people, the motivation was playing with their friends. how do you use them in the same way the traditional product idd, to bring in more -- product did, to bring in more and more people? that's our focus going forward. emily: how big do you see new partnerships, like marketing and advertising, going forward? jason: i think they are going to be huge. the partnership side, the sponsorship side, we had our largest free contest ever that was sponsored by paramount pictures and "jack kreacher." the customer gets to play for $100,000 for free. it develops positive vibes towards that. it's great for the advertiser. it allows us to make money on a big free contest instead of losing money on it. it could end up being a big part of not only what we do to contribute a revenue, but also how we engage customers -- contribute to revenue, but also how we engage customers. emily: you told us last week,
you would not be announcing a deal. does that mean we will see a deal like that in the future? jason: i never say never to something like that, because there are a lot of reasons why it could be beneficial. i think for the last two years i've been pretty consistent when asked about this. i think it's an interesting idea and it has to be done in the right way to create a set -- the kind of long-term shareholder value that could be created. sometimes these conversations stop and start. there is always a rhythm to it. when the time is right, maybe it will happen. i don't know. emily: both companies have been characterized by soaring violations, unpredictable business model, kill or be killed strategy. it reminds me of uber versus lyft, which we talk a lot about on this show. what do you think of that comparison? jason: i think it's a fair comparison. uber and lift are battling the environment in terms of competition, not just ashuber -- uber and lyft are battling the
environment in terms of competition. like us, they are engaged in regulatory conversations. emily: that was draftkings' ceo jason robins. in today's edition of "out of this world," jeff bezos has unveiled plans for the company's most powerful rocket yet, named after john glenn. this rocket, unlike its current prototype, will be capable of orbital flight, meaning it can go faster and farther than before. to do that, it needs to be huge. according to images released monday, it will be larger than the closest comparable rockets. they plan to build it at their future manufacturing site at cape canaveral and fly it by the end of the decade. do not miss our lineup tomorrow, including marc benioff and sebastian thrun.