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>> with all due respect to president obama and secretary hillary clinton, you're not the benoites donald trump today. >> we got played again by the trump campaign which is what they do. pimped and played again. >> he shrewdly used the media again today. he was leveraging five years of earth or conspiracy to promote his hotel. >> today donald trump pond the media. >> it is hard to imagine this is anything other than a political rick roll.
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>> we will never give you up nor let you down. tonight starts with 10 words that donald trump uttered today. words that have been true for 55 years that he has an unwilling to say. q the videotape. mr. trump: president barack obama was born in the united states, period. mark: period. that was donald trump holding the event at his brand-new hotel where he delivered something his advisors and family members have been till graphing for several days that trump would repudiate the birth or movement that he wrote to national political power. for five years he has been the leading voice of the birther conspiracy theorists who claim president obama was ornate kenya
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and was thus ineligible to be president. today trump effectively resigned his leadership position. here's the full statement he made this morning. mention her into the same breath but hillary clinton and her campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy. i finished it. i finished it, you know what i mean. president barack obama was born in the united states, period. now we all went to get back to making america a strong and great again. thank you. thank you very much. >> why did it take so long? >> why now? john: not taking questions
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there, still hasn't taken questions. repudiated his long-standing lie about obama, but said a few other things. -- lied about a few other things in the process. this is messy, complicated, and emotional. where does this leave him in his run for president? mark: where he has been. the propagator of an outrageous, discussing lie -- disgusting lie about the first african-american president of our country that will never go away. many people like me say this is political theater. he is trying to change the subject, and we should not allow him to because he has done this for years. long after the birth certificate was produced, he continued to propagate this theory. i understand the politics of what he is trying to do. whatever the future holds, this stain will be on his legacy forever. john: you didn't -- mark: you didn't answer the question i ask you.
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i believe that he has said a lot of outrageous things in the conduct of his campaign. i don't think anything has been as outrageous as the birther movement. no one has come as close to popularizing it. it has inflamed our dialogue and being disrespectful to the president, no indication why he changed today, and by blaming hillary clinton and taking credit for forcing the president to release his longform birth certificate, even the way he did it was outrageous. i think it will not change any aspect of the election. i think it's a testament to his lack of care about how history will view him, win or lose. john: i agree with all of that. i will say that one issue with donald trump is obviously the truth. he has lied about a lot of things.
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he is lying about hillary clinton. not even hillary clinton's team. it is the case that low level people in clinton's staff in 2008 spread the rumor that obama might be a muslim. different rumor, and different in an important way, because a muslim can be the president of the united states, someone born in kenya cannot be. and the whole point of this was to say that this man, a black man with his unusual name, was not able to hold office. he was not a legitimate president and that was different from the muslim rumor. hillary clinton fired the people who started that rumor. they have some small part in that but not in this birther thing. mark: this has been part of the news cycle for 24 hours ever since donald trump refused to answer a question about it. i think at some point he will have to say why he changed his mind today, but it won't be today. john: meanwhile, hillary clinton was on offense.
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during a speech she gave to the black woman's agenda. ms. clinton: donald's had the temerity to say he is doing the country a service by pushing these lies. no, he isn't. barack obama was born in america, plain and simple, and donald trump owes him and the american people an apology. think of how dangerous it is. and imagine a person in the oval office who traffics in conspiracy theories and refuses to let them go no matter what the facts are. imagine someone who distorts the truth to fit his very narrow view of the world. imagine a president who doesn't
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-- sees someone who does not look like him and doesn't agree with him, and thinks, that person must not be a real american. donald trump is unfit to be president of the united states. john: so, that was last night. today, hillary clinton's campaign manager or the -- put out the following statement. and clinton herself fired off a round of fiery tweets, including one that read -- then, this afternoon, as michelle obama stumped for clinton. it was the first lady's turn to take over with a very clear swipe at trump.
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mrs. obama: there were those who questioned and continue to question for eight years, including to this very day, whether my husband was born in this country. well, during his time in office, i think he has answered those questions with the examples he has set, by going high when they go low. john: that soundbite from hillary clinton i said was from last night. it was from this morning. so, how do you think the effort has gone? mark: they have been focused and coordinated. they have a lot of allies saying the same thing. i think the tweets they sent on her behalf or strong. the campaign manager statement was strong. i don't think they are effectively making him pay a price, simply because, in the
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end, trump admitted he was wrong, and that is the dominant thing. the other aspects, unfortunately, are too complicated for our political dialogue. john: i don't think he said he was wrong. he somehow took credit for forcing obama to release his birth certificate. he did change his position. that's true. it has not been a very good week for hillary clinton, but this has put her back on offense. and i will say, and this goes to the earlier question you asked, she has a problem. in one of the problems she has is enthusiasm among members of the obama coalition. she is getting a high percentage of the african-american vote, but not the enthusiasm they had for obama.
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this could play to her advantage in the long run. and that's going to matter in the long run, how many african-american, nonwhite voters come out. mark: the clinton campaign has to decide which part of donald trump's rhetoric they want to highlight as they portray him as unfit to be president. how well has clinton executed her donald disqualification plan over the course of this week. john: it has been a mixed week for her, obviously. but the fact that trump university is being litigated, the charities are, they want to make transparency a big issue. that is now being litigated. the attorney general of new york is investigating. news into that.
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i think reporters are now more receptive to hearing that message than they were a few months ago. mark: i agree. i would say the two things i would be worried about. one is, trump gives them so much to talk about. even if they have thematic connective tissues it's very hard to break through. the other thing is, trump is a street fighter. trump relishes going toe to toe. that game plays to his strength. she has been doing the psalmist every day, and in the time they have been doing it, trump has caught up. john: the reality is, there is a lot of smoke right now around the foundation, around the university. when we come back, the numbers that are suddenly surprisingly bullish on donald trump's chances. ♪ john: we like to say around
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here, because it is true, that polls are just a snapshot in time, and here is polling for the hillary campaign. it shows trump closing the gap with hillary clinton, especially in states previously seen as clinton territory. he is up wife four points in ohio, and she is up by just three points in virginia. she also has a meager lead in michigan. all three surveys were in the margin of error. trump's rising is causing a huge
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amount of handwringing, and some spectators are starting to tout the possibility of him, winning, two columnists have twin pieces out this morning, noting that hillary clinton's attempts are to complete -- are to paint trump as dangerous. one columnist wrote -- and rich lowry used his column in the new york post to echo a similar sentiment, writing -- so, mark, here comes my two-part question based on those columns. what is the significance of
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those guys weighing in? and are they overreacting. mark: i think people are overreacting in general, not just those two guys. they are significant voices. they are smart guys who follow things closely and have no love for trump, but well trump is doing better in some ways, he is still making the kinds of mistakes he makes, and yet he has caught up. and states like colorado and virginia, the people were just giving to clinton, these polls now show as much closer. democrats are really concerned. if hillary clinton loses the first debate and there's another disclosure about her and e-mails, trump will have a much better chance to win, and neither of those things are outside the realm of possibility, obviously. john: i agree that democrats are freaking out and they should be
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freaking out, they can read polls just like we are. however, it appears these are two candidates who are basically with their rock-bottom bases right now. she has lost altitude. if you look at voters, they are more likely to be clinton voters than trump voters. if she gets a positive agenda going and gets her footing back, the -- the opportunity for him and her -- the opportunity for her to reclaim the votes, it's not with ease, but it is within her power. the problem is not the trump is rising, it is that linton is falling. mark: there's a lot she can do to help herself. we'll ask the reverend jesse jackson about trump's comments today when we come back. ♪
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mrs. obama: donald trump's presidential campaign -- -- has been based on the birther movement which he founded. he founded the birther movement and i joined the tactic by saying on behalf of american -- african-americans by saying we will not elect a chief cricket of the united states of america. mark: members of the black caucus today in washington, d.c., reacting to trump's statement. joining us now, a man we like as much as he claims to like this program, the reverend jesse jackson. thank you for joining us.
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you put out a statement today and one of the main points you made was that trump needs to apologize. given his views, what does it matter if he apologizes? mr. jackson: it would show remorse. he saw a lie as a victory. he is speaking to an audience he mobilized around fear in the first place. if he were sincere he would apologize to president barack obama for disparaging his name and his family name, to hillary clinton, as the case may be, apologize that somehow he invalidated president barack obama -- that he validated president barack obama's american-ness. he didn't do that. barack obama's mother and father did that. john: if he did apologize, should the president accept it? mr. jackson: he has mobilized a force of fear and anger based upon that lie.
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he tried to take away barack obama's legitimacy, to make him illegitimate. he tries to make mexican immigrants illegitimate, to make muslims illegitimate, it's the idea of taking away people's legitimacy and humanity. it's not right, it's not fair. all people of goodwill should say no to this kind of discrediting scheme. mark: after the six turner he week, how would you rate donald trump's chances of being the next president of the united states? mr. jackson: i imagine if hillary clinton stays on the high road, she will mobilize the people who want america to go another way.
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it is not an issue of him saying a line and her responding to a line, it's the issue of protect in -- of protecting the right to vote, livable wages, working poor people, temporary workers, student loan debt, bank lending issues. these are the issues that matter and they are not being addressed in this tit-for-tat state. when the eagle flies low in gets caught, it's the eagles fault. she should fly high on the issues that really matter. mark: one of the issues we have seen today with donald trump spending time reaching out to african american communities, making the trip to detroit, making the trip to flint, from the perspective of the african american community, does that
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matter, or does this birther issue overshadow all other issues? mr. jackson: it's not the birther issue. people in flint need water bottles. they need investment in infrastructure. that's the stuff that matters. he decries poverty in inner cities, but he votes against the living wage being raised and against health care. he decries violence in cities but will not ban assault weapons are supposed -- or support a background check for guns. it is a contradiction on its face area mark: would you have a better, worse, or equal chance of beating donald trump if you were the democratic nominee? mr. jackson, that's not a fair question. she is on the playing field.
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she has the strength of character and a track record. there are some bloodstains. there is some green grass. none of us have clean uniforms. she is a tireless warrior. she has regained her strength after about with pneumonia. i expect her to win. john: there was a store in time the other day about research that looked at support for hillary clinton among african-american voters. the report suggested that she had a problem with enthusiasm, specifically among millennials voters. in your travels around the country, does that ring true? and if it does, why do you think that is? mr. jackson: it rings true, but she and mr. trump exchanging attacks and counterattacks does not ring true.
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in flint, if you have a paint job or you cut down weeds, or you bring down homes they can no longer stand, that brings jobs. that's a play on. she can plan a program that would inspire everybody. i was hoping she would not continue attacking and counter attacking him on one matter. the stakes are much too high. given the future of the supreme court, the stakes are too high. john: what you wish hillary clinton were doing currently that she is not doing enough of? mr. jackson: focusing on voter protection and where the base of support is. she has all the right stuff, all the right credentials, and i hope she will close the gap in these last 50 plus days.
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mark: we will be watching. great to talk to you. up next, we check in on the trump beat with two reporters. ♪
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♪ john: we are joined by political reporter jennifer jacobs in washington, d.c. and at donald
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trump's campaign event today. also with us, the great nbc turrespondent katie who is at trump's new d.c. hotel , on pennsylvania avenue. jennifer jacobs, i want to start with you. from your reporting, fill us in how decisions was made about today's event and how trump would handle things. jennifer: i talked to his campaign insiders both before and after today's events. they had been talking about what to do for a couple days now. so the strategy was to get this last obstacle out of the way. they see it as arguably one of the final things that hillary clinton could use to attack him, one of the final obstacles for getting voters onboard, including independents and those college educated whites, they wanted to dispatch with it very quickly. they were still debating what to do as of this morning. there was an hour delay before trump took the stage this morning. that was partly because he was huddled with his advisors still debating how exactly he should handle this.
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what he did is he collectively asked his advisors including his , campaign c.e.o. steve bannon, how should i do this and what should i say and asked each , person in the room one by one and the conclusion was keep it short and simple. , that's exactly what he did. he had even talked about even tweeting on this from his twitter account last night and he chose not to because he wanted to quote unquote hold on to some of the suspense. the way he orchestrated this today, it was exactly how he wanted it to go. mark: katy, what questions are begged by what trump said today and didn't say today? katy: two major questions. number one, he said that hillary clinton started birtherism, she did not. he finished it. he did not. president obama released his long form birth certificate in 2011. donald trump went on to continue questioning where he was born for five years after that. it wasn't until today that he admitted what everyone else has
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known all along that the , president of the united states was born in the united states. so that question of why now is still lingering. we're 53 days out until the election. is this just a politically expedient thing to do or has donald trump learned that birtherism was greatly offensive to many millions of americans, not just african-american voters which he is trying to court at which he is trying to court at the moment, but also as jennifer , jacobs was alluding to, moderate republicans, soft republicans, college educated republicans and women who might have found these comments to be a little bit too much to bear for their republican nominee. also, does he think that president obama is a christian? does he think he earned his harvard degree legitimately or did he try and trick his way into harvard as he suggested once. does he still believe that president obama has some sympathies with terrorists which is what he alluded to back after the orlando massacre. there are a number of questions
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that are left unanswered because this event was originally billed to reporters as a press conference after he made his 32-second remarks about president obama, the reporters got up on their chairs and started trying to yell questions at the republican nominee to get him to answer just some of the , ones i was talking about and then he walked out. mark: i'm putting katy in more of the questions than answers category. more of thehe is question than answers category. i'm curious, jennifer, a lot of conservative media is cheering at how trump pumped the media today. is his staff kind of reveling in that? was that part of what they were trying to do here was make a fool out of all of us? jennifer: right, katy was one of those people standing on the chair today yelling questions to him trying to get some answers , out of him, so give her credit for that, but yes. part of the strategy was because they are taking away an issue
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that energized their base so much, the question about where obama was born, they wanted to give them something else to energize them. they wanted to turn it around and start to tar clinton. what they were trying to say was that clinton's chief strategist from her 2008 campaign wrote a memo in which he proposed that they attack barack obama on his quote unquote lack of american roots. they're saying that that seed of an idea of attacking him for possibly being less than american came from clinton's campaign, and so that's what they were trying -- they were trying to shift the conversation over to her. that was their strategy. but the real reason why they were getting into this, i happen to know, they told us that they were thinking about next week having donald trump apologize to a group of black ministers, but when this started coming, rising to a boil thursday night, they decided they needed to do something about this, but the debate, the debate is in 10 days. that was why they felt like today was the day they needed to get something done on this. they were going to do something maybe next week with the apology.
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with that debate 10 days away, they felt like they needed to get this taken care of and have something come out of his own mouth saying definitively he was born in the united states, period. that way they can move on and they think this is no longer an issue. mark: katy, i didn't mean to minimize the questions you raised. they are all good questions. i'm impressed by the length of the things you raised. you are right. it begs a lot of questions on the topics that aren't related. one thing that happened this week that has not got that much attention two of donald trump's , children acting as surrogates had pretty rough times in interacting with the media. i'm wondering what you think of that and whether you think that might inhibit them of being out more on their father's behalf the rest of the way? katy: you know we have only seen ivanka trump come out and speak to reporters about this campaign a handful of times, period. they're usually, i guess you could call them friendlier organizations, either fox news or the morning shows or glossy magazines. this was an interaction she had
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with a glossy magazine where she felt like the questions that a cosmopolitan reporter was asking her were not fair. she was asking her basically words about, words that her father had said about maternity leave and women in the past and ivanka didn't find those questions fair. don jr. getting into a bit of heat over a couple things, the gas chamber remarks, that if the republican nominee was doing what hillary clinton was doing, he would be sent to a gas chamber. he said that had nothing to do with the holocaust, that was essentially a poor choice of words in that moment. he was also getting some heat for talking about his father's taxes saying, basically saying it was less to do with the i.r.s. and more to do with the american public when every individual in the public because their own auditor and distracts from his message. are we going to see less of the children? we have seen less of them on national outlets than we have seen in the past.
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of course they want to protect their reputations in this and it was definitely a stumbling block. donald trump himself mentioned yesterday in his economic speech that being politically correct, if you're politically incorrect one day, don't worry about it, it will blow over in a week and that's generally how it's gone. john: all right, guys. jennifer jacobs, katy tur, great to have both of you and each of you on this program. up next, john and mark mckinnon will arm wrestle right here. >> two out of three. john: you can listen to us on the radio, bloomberg radio 99.1 f.m. be right back. ♪
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♪ mark: with us now the
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contributing editor to the "weekly standard" and the tweeter.ost prolific in the other chair, mark mckinnon, our fellow co-host and coproducer. gentlemen, welcome to you both. >> thank you. mark: john, do you agree with your fellow travelers, charles krautheimer and rich that it looks right now donald trump has a pretty good chance of winning this election? >> i think he always had a chance of winning the election. i'm not sure it's so much having to do with him. there: seem to suggest that all he needed to do was moderate and calm himself down in order to get on track. that's how i read the last three weeks. obviously he hasn't gotten it his own way. it is just that the news has been catastrophic. mark: more about her doing worse? >> yes. if you look at the poll averages, what does he have, one or two. it appears to be a withdrawal of
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affect from her from democrats and independents and for good reason. i didn't know it was possible for someone to have a worse couple of weeks than trump did after the gold star and that, but this trifecta of bad stuff on the emails, the deplorables remark and the pneumonia in five , or six days' time, that's a rough series of hits. john: so today, you know, we have had the last 18 hours we have been consumed with birtherism. is this now in a raise constantly doing switchbacks, is this a moment where things will flip around again and trump is on a bad slide and clinton is on the rise? >> i'm dizzy this week. this week started off with
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pneumonia and deplorables and we thought that would be the whole focus, at the end of the week we're talking about birtherism is again. the fact that we're talking about birthers in the eighth year of the guy who is president of the united states and somebody is admitting today that he is actually born in the united states is a testament to just what a circus this election is. i think that the -- this race is never going to be stable. i think that there is a conventional wisdom that this will stabilize until the debates. that's not true as hillary clinton as collapsed, to your point, i don't know so much that trump has grown so much, she has collapsed and get out the rubber , sheets. it's bed wetting time in democratic circles, i'll tell you that. john: great image. thanks for that, dude. >> i'm not sure i understand the democratic, what i read to be the democratic and liberal enthusiasm for the fact that trump, the birther issue has come up again. this is hillary talking about how trump has insulted obama, right? and obama is not on the ticket.
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obama obviously, the democratic base likes obama and loves obama and she needs to really generate the base. why it helps her to be having a conversation with trump about how offensive or inoffensive he is to the guy who is leaving office when she needs the focus to be on her and trying to get her people to vote for her is not clear to me. you guys are wise enough. john: i have to ask you the proposition, she has raised the stakes of the election for nonwhite voters, right, does this not potentially help her raise the stakes for the election? donald trump is saying, why not try me, it can hardly get any worse. this is a way for her saying it could get a lot worse. >> i never read that trump making a play for black voters. that's a play for suburban republicans to not feel like they're voting for a racist or at least have it tamped down to feel more comfortable voting for him even though they're a little unnerved about where he stands on race. it seems to me a bank shot that she is going to get the momentum
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or the base enthusiasm that she needs by talking about the outgoing president. i just don't think that that's going to do it for her. mark: the press to cover every candidate aggressively and equally, that doesn't happen. in this race right now, the broad preposter of the media, more pro trump or more pro clinton? >> i don't buy it either way. i think they're pro conflict and jump to the flame that is in front of them. i don't sense there is a one way orbias another. mark: is the press favoring hillary clinton over donald trump? >> the news is the news. trump hasn't been making news. we got f.b.i. emails. she is caught on camera nearly collapsing into a car. she makes the comment at a fundraiser that raises all sorts of issues. what are you supposed to do?
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upn you are supposed to gin go back to stories from two or three months ago and hammer them about trump simply to achieve some kind of a balance? trump has been running for 16 months. if there is anyone who has gotten worse press in the course of 16 months in the history of american politics, i doubt anyone worse than trump. >> i think there may be a general sort of bias among journalists towards democrats generally, but not towards hillary clinton. she gets as tough a treatment as anyone ever has in politics. i am reminded of that moment in 2008 in new hampshire where there was kind of -- she was worn down and there was this kind of town hall moment where she kind of reframed the race in a really human way and talked about her rationale and why she was running and kind of got it back to the public service component. she just needs to get off her and i thought her line was great this week when she says public service is what i do.
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i do the service part better than the public part. mark: >> i thought her speech yesterday, first event back after being down with pneumonia, i thought it was amongst the best i have ever seen her, talking about simultaneously her and donald trump. >> she gets in the public service component and her history of serving and it's all , about serving. she gets back on that idea, i think it will help a lot. john: if your analysis is right and i generally share that she has lost some altitude and he is pretty much exactly where he was before, is the solution for her do you think to be more effective on offense against trump or is there something she needs to do in terms of an affirmative case, in terms of her as a character? what's the solution to that? how does she get that back? >> she is 68 years old. she is one of the most famous people ever to be in politics. she has been in the public eye for 25 years. she is not going to reintroduce herself to the american people. they know her. they know who she is.
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i'm not sure this is message driven. she needs to not to cough or fall down and not to have email revelations, out about her or something else over the next six or seven weeks, then you can have the standard issue, democrats withdrawing from her will come home. she'll end up with the natural structural advantage that democrats seem to have in this race. the democratic get out the vote machine should be able to function effectively for her assuming that more new negative news isn't made either by her or at her and i'm not sure that a , message change is going to help. i like the idea of putting you in a room with hillary clinton when she says, john, you're looking for your advice, don't cough and don't fall down. >> for most people saying don't cough and don't fall down and don't have nasty things, don't have the f.b.i. say something about you, that's a very low bar. mark: you both agree that she is the favorite to win today, right? >> yes. mark: what would have to happen
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for you to change your mind? >> she would have to cough or fall down or have a bad story? john: what if trump has a great debate in the first debate? >> that will alter things. people for some weird reason seem to think that she is a bad debater. she is a very good debater. he has never debated before. >> that's an expectations game that is good for trump. >> i think that people think that she is a bad debater. i'm saying she is a good debater. people think she is a bad debater. he has never debated one-on-one ever. >> the expectations game should work for both them. mark: you haven't tweeted in six minutes, so leave the set and go tweet your i got to promote you, thank you, john, mark is going to stay with us. when we talk about, we're talking about mark mckinnon taking on hillary clinton in chappaqua after this. ♪
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♪ censure up your bolo tie -- since -- we are back with mark mckinnon strategist and co-host of , circus, our showtime show in conjunction with bloomberg politics. so, you mentioned how the week has changed from how it was earlier in the week. when health was dominant, you made a trip up to chappaqua, what was that like? >> part of the circus is showing what it's like being in a campaign. there are very exciting days and some days when you watch the paint dry. this is the pool press. it's their job and responsibility to monitor these situations just in case something happens, if a doctor comes out or any news at all. we reflected a little bit on that in this week's circus. mark: here is a clip from this coming sunday night on show time, 8:00, the circus, mark mckinnon goes to chappaqua to see what's up when hillary clinton is down with pneumonia. ♪
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>> we're in chappaqua, new york. this is where the clintons live right up the street and hillary , clinton who is here today trying to recuperate from pneumonia. what is a day like today like for you? >> we haven't seen her all day. we are trying to get the latest raft of information. we didn't know that hillary clinton saw a doctor on friday. we had no idea. i think that's part of why it's been such, such a focus on what are they saying, what are they doing. turns out she has pneumonia. >> something that most people have had experience. >> i had it, lived to tell the tale. if there is anything wrong, there are reporters who are able to document it and able to tell the american public, hey, this is what is going on. ♪ >> so this is the press pool responsible for reporting any news that occurs here. this is what they have to do. they have to sit here all day just in case a doctor comes out with some news.
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d to be able to get pretty close to the house. now they have barricades so that traffic cannot even drive up the street. >> i don't want to go into semantics with you folks. i am trying to be civil about it. can you guys, the opportunity, you know. >> i understand. >> you want to sit on the blacktop there next to the street? >> i'm fine with that. >> if we have to, sure. >> that's what you got to do to keep your boss happy. >> you are not giving us freedom of speech here. this is america. this is america. mark: just one week ago, hillary clinton was getting points for letting the press in, get closer and now we're just going back the other direction again.
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>> look at that. >> the press united will never be defeated. the press united will never be defeated. mark: so as the week went on, tell us where else the circus went to besides chappaqua. >> because of the health-related issue, we planned on doing an episode sometime during our run about the vice presidents. as candidates get sick as sometimes happen, as presidents get sick, somebody a heart beat away. we talked to dan quayle, joe lieberman. you flew with tim kaine and mike pence. we'll reflect on the seconds in command. mark: the question of who is ready to be president, the people running on the top of the ticket and the people that might be with them in the white house. >> that's it. >> it's a circus out there. john: who is fit to serve. mark: sunday 8:00 on showtime.
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