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john: i am john heilemann. mark: i am mark -- with all due respect to those who think hillary clinton has a body , who would ever do that? john: thanks, guys. we will take it from here. welcome to this edition of the best of with all due respect. this week was all about health, the health of the candidates and the health of the campaign. let's take you back to where it started. mark: democrats are dealing with the follow-up from a medical incident that caused hillary clinton to leave a 9/11 commemoration ceremony here in gotham city hours -- gotham
city. hours after, she appeared to be stumbling. she has been diagnosed with pneumonia. on friday, got dehydrated at the event and a little bit overheated. her campaign aides were all over thatplaining and insisting clinton has no other illnesses besides pneumonia. the acknowledge the campaign should not have kept the media in the dark. think that in retrospect we could have handled it better in terms of providing more information more quickly. it is our intention that we release medical information about hillary clinton. there is no other -- no other undisclosed condition. pneumonia is the extent of it. she logged all those miles on behalf of representing us abroad . this is somebody who's impulse and instinct was always to press forward. that was what she wanted to do on friday even after she was told she had pneumonia. she was trying to do more to
push ahead. that is how she is. that is how she is wired. mark: members of clinton's team refused to let -- to answer when they were pressed on whether they were in the loop about her pneumonia diagnosis. >> did you know on friday, ? bbie, that she was ill that she had the diagnosis of pneumonia, and if so, what did you advisor to do? >> she saw a doctor on friday, got the diagnosis of pneumonia. in consultation with her doctor, she decided to power through that. >> did you know about that? >> i will not get into details about her medical information. i will just ate the first time i talked to hillary -- i don't want to get into the character of communications. but i reached out to her as an is the incident happened on sunday. we had a good dialogue there. other than that, that was the first time we talked about this. john, what are the
implications of this clinton health story and the way the clinton campaign has hamlet? news -- handled it? john: i want to make a couple of points. how well this story comes out is what her actual health situation is. we have an account of what it is. i have had walking pneumonia, and a similar thing happened to me. if that is all this is, this story will subside and not give any real consequence. but that is an open question. the second thing is, it seems to me that the one thing that comes out of this, the pressure builds for both of them to be more transparent about their health, that would be a good thing. the country deserves to know more people about this age in terms of their difficult condition and if they are about to be president. mark: the clinton campaign once again hurt itself with the press as the watch guards of public interest in terms of being transparent. the trump campaign is not transparent about many things
either, but i do believe this extent her at to the where she was isolated from her team. not a surprise either. her campaign manager seems to be telling he did not know she had pneumonia. john: she is a very private person. mark: i worry if she is elected president she will on a regular basis but her own desire for privacy, understand on a human level, but if you want to be president, unfortunately, you have got to give up a little bit of privacy. john: we interviewed kellyanne the morning show, and you asked her about the dr., she did not know the answer either. there is similar regard with clinton sort of exceptional status on how to deal of the press, and how they deal with their teams. that is not always talked about. bigl get to the other story. the clinton campaign trying to clean up her comments she made on friday night when she declared her fundraiser, half of
donald trump supporters were "a basket of deplorables." she apologized later, but trump is trying to get behind it with $2 million in
this new ad in ohio and florida. donors,ing to wealthy hillary clinton called tens of millions of americans deplorable. >> they are racist, sexist, homophobic, islam a public, you name it -- islamic phobic, you name it. >> people like you deplorable. you know what is deplorable? hillary clinton viciously demonizing people like you. mark: trump continued that attack. donald trump: our support comes from every part of america and every walk of life. these are the people hillary .linton so viciously demonized
she called these patriotic men and women every filename in the book. she called them racist, sexist, ophobphobic, islam ic. ae called half of our support basket of deplorables. mark: what do you think are the long-term implications? this will go all the way through election day. democrats need to be pressed on what they think of it just like what republicans were pressed about what mitt romney said about 47%. that is a double standard that should not exist. reflected to a large extent what she actually believes, and that the controversy of overusing the word half will stick with her. you will see a lot of trump supporters energized by what she said, and the press will side
with trump, which is these days, rare. john: it is clear donald trump has traded in racist, bigoted, bic trhobic -- xenopho opes. she was 100% when she nailed that on top of the head. i do not think it was a wise thing to have done. politically or otherwise to cast this wish what could be that the next 30 million american voters. to jamink it is going up. it gives trump a talking point. it will jam up, rev up the republican base. if she had to do it over again, she would not say that. and her apology recognizes that ridiculous fact that she thinks she got -- mark: they realized the mistake.
you don't attack the voters or threaten their motives. andthey were disadvantaged pitiable is what she basically said. this is a bigger threat than the health story. john: i go back to my very first answer. assuming that this was a garden-variety more or less base -- case ofpneumonia walking pneumonia, other than that she is in fine health, assuming that is true -- yes, because longer political way. she has otherson health issues, those could be much more significant than this gaff. the 1992atched campaign, bill clinton, terribly sick, sick as a dog. it was hard. it rendered him a less effective candidate. she, you have seen over the last
--k, i have coughed so large long with allergies i have got pneumonia. but she better hope she could not get sick again. this will make it more likely to make mistakes. john: i had walking pneumonia with it. i went down with it. i was on vacation and spent the better part of the week really depleted. i'm 20 years younger than hillary clinton is. so a couple days off the trail will help her, but she will not be back at full strength by thursday. there is not many days before election day. when she left the ground zero ceremony earlier, there was mass confusion for reporters covering the event that the clinton team failed to give me a timely information about the candidate, her whereabouts, what was going on. they long complained neither followed the president of past nominees when it comes to transparency and protected pool. protected pool is that reporters should be able to observe, a
small subset anyway, all of the public events in case major news breaks or something threatening happens to either of the candidates. the reason for the protected pool is the body watch. we will agree that presidential nominees should have protected pool like the president of the united states does. in the wake of what happened, there will be more pressure on these campaigns to adhere to the norms. mark: i don't think they will. they have gotten past the conventions, past labor day. neither of them wants a full-time protected pool. neither of them needed for the coverage. this is not about the media, this is about public interest. they are present in january. it is a horrible development. they are trying to turn this around. it would be much, much better for everyone including the candidates to get used to the notion that if you want to be a
major party nominee, you have got to let the press be with you. i don't think it is going to happen. john: there are people out there complaining that we want press conferences because we want to strut and preen with the not because it is due hold candidates accountable on camera. this is the same thing. it is not for convenience. stuff can happen. reporters try to do their jobs. in the interest of the public to allow them to try to do their jobs as best they can by creating situations where they can be with a candidate all the time. the levered with these two candidates, leverage seems to be less than it ever has. mark: there is a lot of hypotheticals. what if that video had not existed? up next, we and role in an elective college math class. donald trump most likely's path to victory when we come back. ♪
john: welcome back. there has been a lot of talk about donald trump's narrow path to winning the white house this november. based on strategist discussions inside and outside the campaign, we have seen his victory scenario run through what we like to call the big four. if he keeps the traditionally red states in this column, he florida, ohio,n pennsylvania and north carolina to get the electoral college threshold. hime four states would give to an 73 and make him the next president of these united states. -- 273 and make him the next president of these united states. mark: but you see he has a tough road. pennsylvania, a statement that republicans have won, is an obstacle.
if he loses the swing state, the next path is not simple. three of the big four, florida, ohio, north carolina, he would have to win two additional pop-up states, iowa and nevada. he could also win new hampshire, which the associated press has in the lean democratic column. in that is tough to do. 239 would be to 69-269 -- -269. maybe he would win, but it would be complicated. big four, the reason they are following on those states -- iowa right now, a lot of polls show him ahead. by winning new big hampshire and what i call the silver state because i can never remember nevada -- that is tough. are the mostnarios likely. but you can see one has got no margin of error, and the other has got tied.
john: new hampshire has been a blue state for a long time. nevada plays for hillary clinton because of the number of hispanic votes. that is why you look at pennsylvania, more in line with the kind of voter trump is trying to get at. i understand why are they are ating to do it, but you look what the vote win number is in pennsylvania, the registration the democrats have, why the democrats have won pennsylvania for these past two cycles -- there is fool's gold. mark: you put the second scenario of. you say, how does drop it over 269, oneignate -- over place is main. ne. there could be one electoral vote. that would be to 70. look at -- 270. the ones he would have a chance,
wisconsin, colorado, he could have a chance. he needs to go in blue states were he is not currently strong. on the other hand, if he can win three of the big four, a big gap but states that are somewhat competitive, he has got a chance. john: this is why i don't think this strategy will work. the only way he can win if there becomes such a wave on his side towards the end that places like , currently in reach with virginia, normally a high swing state, it becomes a place like colorado. when we come back, to super strategists ♪
it is time to talk strategy. we are joined by a democratic strategist and former press secretary of the obama administration bill burton. he will be with us from santa barbara. first, who is with us from washington dc is republican strategist and columnist from the washington post and rogers. just to clarify, you are never trump, or you are not trump right now but maybe trumped by election day? i call myself a non-supporter. ed: i am not never trump. i am not waiting on trump. the clock is ticking, but i am a firm nonsupported. john: at the moment. , butnon-trump supporter also not a supporter of hillary clinton, you are sort of neutral . how much do you think the basket of deplorables place to donald trump's advantage? ed: it has been a real gift for him. he needs something to talk
about, to the degree to which he needs something from hillary clinton time to time. it rallies his people, is a vocal point for people that don't like hillary anyway. it has been really good. it is hard to quantify in terms of what it means for him. that said, the race is sort of bogged down with deplorables and pneumonia and disclosure and this and that. it is not about the economy and what is going to drive votes, and that is probably better than hillary -- for hillary clinton than it is for trump. >> riddle me this. why is it hard to answer questions for the deplorable? ed: good question. word, --ve the press a nicolle: isn't he in a category of his own? he has never had a foothold
in the republican party, totally unaccomplished, the but the media fixates on him. i am sure governor pence did not want to go there, but give the people what they want and move on. you can ignore it and do all you can. the problem of ignoring. go ahead and say it. yes, deplorable. not deplorable, this guy is. let them have that. john: let me ask you a question of something i find -- i'm sure you find deplorable. that is donald trump's embrace of vladimir putin, the man crush. about, ed, and how do you think it is elect orally conscience of the -- electorally constable? ed: it will be revealed what it there earth about, but
was some kind of diplomatic moment with russia to be the serious policy stage. it could be the policy of some speech, but trump's this personal admiration and borderline following is just weird. is there a connection or something potential down the road? weird, know, but it is and it is unprecedented. i can't think of anything close to this. i can't think of what good is coming from and. it is bizarre. among other things that are bizarre with the trump movement. john: let's bring in bill burton. we finally located him in santa barbara. you are on the trail today. you are looking at the polling for the last week or so, thinking about why this race is tightening. one is that number crunchers have come up with this notion that a lot of the obama coalition is not totally jazzed up for hillary clinton.
do you think her boss, even without his name on the ballot, can help her with those groups? bill: absolutely. as an incumbent president, tried push acrossers, his demographics, he will be helpful in a lot of places. but it is the obama coalition that needs to get brought on board in a serious, he enthusiastic way, and not a lot of people can do that like the president. she is lucky to have a surrogate like that. donald trump does not even approach that. is the case. as you point out, barack obama's approval ratings superhigh. he is so beloved by his voters. and not many people don't know barack obama fought hillary clinton, but is still the case with african-american voters and his the back -- and hispanic voters. he will be out on the trail, but what more can he do for those voters to get them riled up? bill: i have worked for four
different president to candidates and one president. i have seen a lot of campaigns. i am not as old as you, but i have seen a lot. when i learned the most was john kerry's campaign and i was just a regional press secretary. we will put surrogates in different media markets. depending on the strength of your surrogate, put somebody in milwaukee or des moines or minneapolis, you can see a bump in the numbers after they came. hillary clinton has a stable of awesome surrogates led by president obama that can go into a market and specifically target that your graffiti get people jazzed up. people may know president obama supports hillary clinton, but that is different from him coming to town, being on the front page of the newspaper, leading a local newscasts and getting that appreciable bounce in the polls. you are speaking my language. you and i were both on that
campaign of 2004. that is how we both stood desk used to do things in the republican party. you had to make the state turn in your favor. you are busting across each other on the highways in wisconsin and ohio. trump is not playing that game. are you completely confident hillary clinton has adapted to his asymmetrical warfare? it does not look like the polls reflect this obvious advantage in infrastructure. bill: one of my favorite memories of the crisscross was when president bush and john kerry were in davenport, iowa and there were like six bank robberies because the cops were all tied up. she is not adapting to his asymmetrical warfare. sometimes because the media covers this in a different way because voters consume it and voters participate, i don't know she has to even though it may look clunky up against the
warfare donald trump is imparting -- employee. she is working county by county, has got surrogates out there, that is the path. it is not donald trump leading the press around by the twitter , something more outlandish every single day. it is how you talk to voters, be the voice that matters, move swing states into your column. nicolle: i think i am in your basket of republican angst. what do you feel more stressed about, waking up and having hillary clinton has won, or waking up and finding donald trump has won. i wake up finding republicans have lost the senate. that is my number one stress level, more anxious about anything else. larry is not building -- hillary is not building a wave campaign that will look like the floors falling out from beneath donald
>> if donald has any pass to the white house are probably runs through states like ohio and pennsylvania where manufacturing decline could make voters right for the america first message. the clinton and trump campaigns seem to be using the same basic voter formula. divideaign strategists voters into three main groups, the base, party loyalists who will turn out on november 8 no matter what, then what campaigns v targets, get out the vote, people who will probably back y