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tv   Charlie Rose  Bloomberg  November 1, 2016 10:00pm-11:01pm EDT

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♪ >> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: fbi director james comey announced friday in a letter to congress that new e-mails surfaced related to the investigation into hillary clinton's private server. the e-mails were discovered through a separate fbi investigation into former congressman anthony weiner. in a letter to his fbi staff, comey explained his decision, saying it would be "misleading to the american people were we not to supplement the record." major political followed unfolded over the weekend as hillary clinton called the move "unprecedented and deeply troubling." her campaign called on the fbi director to release all details of the investigation.
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at a campaign rally trump friday, described the scandal as bigger than watergate. authorities obtained a warrant on sunday to search the e-mails of huma abedin and anthony weiner. several justice department officials criticized comey. the news broke with only a week remaining until the election. joining me now from washington, mike bliss a cough -- lisi koff, michael schmidt of the new york times, and with me in the studio, jonathan karl, chief white house correspondent for abc news. michael schmidt, where is this now, and what is likely to happen next? getting this review was off the ground. the fbi is basically taking the andils, the messages, putting them into a program that will allow them to go through them and see, are there duplicates here? are these e-mails we have seen before? is there classified information?
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this is not a manpower issue. it is about getting the messages in a computer that allows the agent to take a look at see what -- and see what is really there and get under the hood. charlie: once they get under the hood, how long should it take them? michael: that is the question. over the weekend the fbi folks i was talking to said it would take at least a few weeks. last night, they were saying maybe we can get this done by election day. the pressure on them is immense. i think the justice department is pushing them as well. they will move both heaven and earth to get this done next week. charlie: is this fair to say , and this is for all of you, that everyone wants this done before the election, everybody wants that? am i right or wrong? >> i am not sure. unless they can definitively say that every single one of these e-mails have been accounted for and are exact duplicates of what they have already seen, i am not
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sure they are going to say anything. and i am not sure they would say that. at this point, anything they say about the substance of this matter could be construed as commenting and affecting the election. i think they have been taking such withering criticism at this point that the best thing they can do is just shut up until after the election. >> there is so much ambiguity here. you have the whole election in part predicated on what the answer to the question is. these might be absolutely nothing. these might be duplicates. there is a reasonable chance that is exactly what is going on. to have this cloud hanging over the entire campaign, only to get answered a couple weeks after the election, guess what it's nothing seems to me highly , problematic. a lot of pressure on comey.
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whether or not it is doable is another question. there is an obligation to try to at least answer, is this a big deal or not? charlie: how do they answer that? >> they have to go through, and one way to answer is, if it turns out this is simply a situation with duplicate e-mails accessaybe huma abedin the e-mails on this computer or they came off the cloud, this is the same basket of e-mails she already turned over. charlie: is it hurting her? >> it is unquestionably hurting her because it has given motivation to republicans in the time that the trump campaign was flagging, when republicans were demoralized. they were thinking they were facing defeat. charlie: they say they are inching closer, that the numbers separating her and him were closing. >> the polls were certainly closing. whether they were closing fast enough is doubtful. charlie: but they're still
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closing. >> they are still closing. the reason why they are closing is because trump has gone over a week without a major scandal. it is certainly possible and may be likely that most of these e-mails are duplicates from before. but all it takes is for several, or even one, that they haven't seen before. there is a process they have to go through. does it contain classified information? >> remember, the bar is higher than that. when comey decided not to prosecute, he said for this to be prosecutable, they would have to be obstruction of justice or willful and intentional mishandling of classified information. she was found to have classified information on her server. >> even if there are dozens of new classified e-mails, this will not change much. there were over 100 e-mails from the announcement over the summer. if you're comey, you want to wait until the election if there is nothing here.
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imagine if you came out on friday and said hey, we looked , at these, and there is nothing here. he would be criticized even more say you created this whole hubbub over nothing. you would want to release after the pressure has come away from the campaign. charlie: suppose he finds something very pregnant. michael: we are certainly not going to know that before the election. if a potential crime is here, why this might possibly be pertinent, is if these e-mails were withheld for some reason. if he finds out that there is classified information, and it is sensitive, he wants to know, why wasn't this turnover? huma abedin was supposed to release all of her e-mails to the fbi in this investigation. why weren't these? was she hiding them?
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that is a whole separate exercise. there is no evidence of that at this point. but if they find there is something in these e-mails that is classified, there is an exercise they have to go through, and is likely to play out over some period of time. charlie: is criticism of the fbi director fair or unfair? michael: i think it is fair in the sense that this was highly unusual, if not unprecedented. he made a decision to affirmatively say something about an investigative matter after being advised by the justice department not to do that. --t is something anything at any fbi director would be criticized for doing. he should probably have anticipated that much more than i think he did. i know there was a lot of discussions within the fbi about how to play this out.
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think they had somebody at the table who was revising -- advising them just what a furor this is going to cause. charlie: he said the first time he went, he made a statement. that he was criticized by donald trump, now by the hillary clinton camp. damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. >> the clinton campaign made a decision to do what they did to ken starr, to vilify the prosecutor. and make him the issue. they did to ken starr, to vilify the prosecutor. in this case we are talking about the fbi director. true, he served under president bush, a registered republican. but nobody thinks that he is a shill for donald trump. you have right now democratic , partisans like harry reid basically accusing him of using his office to get trump elected president. i think it is an odd strategy,
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when you consider that he is serving a 10 year term. moveght have made a clumsy , but he is not somebody was trying to tip the scales in the election. it is a 10 year term. unless president hillary clinton decides to fire him, he will be her fbi director. michael: comey saw this as the lesser of two evils. he said "i'm going to get , criticized no matter what i do, but i can live with the criticisms of my judgment for doing this now." when he says "i could not live with the criticism that i suppressed information before the election," he thought the history books would be much harsher on him and the fbi. that was too big of a risk for him. charlie: what happens if you -- if he discovers something that is damaging to her, maybe an e-mail that was deleted, shouldn't have been deleted, whatever it might be, that was
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that, --d, any of >> we are in uncharted territory here. who knows what will happen in the next week. he could come out and give an update on it in a few days. he might feel pressured to do that. to try and predict it is unusual. no one thought this would come back. this e-mail thing was done, it was over in july. now it is back going again. michael: i think jonathan made a good point about looking past the election, assuming hillary clinton wins. yeah, james comey is going to be her fbi director. just imagine what kind of relationship that is going to be . it was already almost certainly tents because of the original comments he made in july calling her actions extremely careless. many people in the clinton camp and elsewhere criticized that. now doubly, to imagine they will
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is, by work together, it the way, a parallel to go back to the first clinton administration. bill clinton and louis freeh were not even on speaking terms. louis freeh wouldn't go to the white house. the idea that in a new clinton administration, once again, the white house is going to be in a feud or war or battle with the fbi is not a healthy situation. >> i think comey want the fbi to have this reputation, "we follow the facts, we don't care about politics." if he's seen one day going after the republicans, then another day going after the democrats, that plays into the narrative that "we don't care, we will do what is right for the evidence." charlie: the justice to -- department says, you are not following procedures. michael: there are questions that loretta lynch has to answer.
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her people advised comey not to send that letter, saying it violated long-standing policy. she could have ordered him not to send it. she chose not to because we can assume she did not want to faced -- he did not want to be faced with political criticism of concealing or blocking the fbi from taking investigative steps that might be related to the clinton investigation. in some sense, she went through the same sort of calculus that comey did. comey made an affirmative step to make something public. it is not quite the same, but i think the fact that they both had this kind of political calculus -- what am i going to be attacked for if i do something? -- is worth noting here. clinton'sect hillary decision about whether she wants to keep loretta lynch on as an attorney general or not. charlie: does huma abedin know what is on the computer? michael: we don't know.
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>> i don't think so. she was asked to turn over all of her electronics, all of the stuff that could have classified information on it. and by all accounts it looks like everyone did turn over the things they had to. what we have heard from people he talked to who have been briefed on the investigation is that she had no clue how these e-mails ended up on the laptop. charlie: how did they? michael: we know from her interview with the fbi in april, she said at one point, she routinely forwarded state department e-mails and documents to both her clinton e-mail account and her personal yahoo! account so she could more easily print them. at one point, the agents actually confronted her with an e-mail that had a attachment of a pakistani policy paper that
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was written by an aid to richard holbrook that was attached to her yahoo! account. that is when she gave the explanation, that she forwarded them. it was likely that the laptop of her husband costs -- her husband 's had this personal account on it, and that is how they got there. this could well have the kind of substantive and possibly sensitive policy documents and e-mails on it. werewhether or not they turned over as part of some other production is what we don't know. charlie: did she say it was policy documents, or state department pronouncements? michael: in her judicial watch civil deposition, see she -- she said she forwarded state department press clips from the yahoo! account.
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but if you read the fbi 302, which i did over the weekend, there, she is confronted with this policy paper, a pakistani policy paper. she said this was the sort of material she routinely forwarded to that yahoo! account. there is a discrepancy between what she said in the civil deposition and what she told the fbi in april. charlie: i assume they would not be classified, would they? michael: i think some could be. charlie: so she was sending things to the computer that was classified? michael: we know that there were classified e-mails that were being circulated between hillary clinton and out -- enter senior staffers, including huma abedin. so it's entirely possible. understand,p me what she was supposed to, what hillary clinton supposedly deleted from her server, some 30,000 e-mails, they were supposed to be from, personal
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and in no way official. >> yes, the fbi was able to recover those e-mails. comey in his congressional testimony said there were official state department e-mails deleted as part of that. the clinton team said they did not go through each one with an algorithm, and that there could be some mistakes made. charlie: harry reid raise the question if the fbi is sitting on evidence between the link between trump and vladimir putin and the russian intelligence operations. do you know anything about that? michael: what reid is saying, he is saying, okay comey, you make this public about the e-mails, but there is this other thing with trump and you are not talking about it. why is it that you are talking about one and not the other? what the fbi would say, comey made this pledge to congress to
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be as transparent as possible in the aftermath of the investigation. he basically, it would say that he made this pledge, and that he would have to update congress because he told him the investigation was completed and closed. charlie: are there polls to indicate what is happening? >> we have an abc news tracking poll, 2 days of polling data that are post-comey. what it shows is further tightening of the race. a one-point lead nationally. that is a national poll, this will be fought in battleground states. there is no polling and battleground -- in battleground states. our polls show that republicans are more energized and more likely to vote. it has now come to a one-point race nationally. charlie: both michael's in washington, can you believe comey will say something before the election? michael: i thought he might, just to explain it. that was a couple days ago. the latest i'm hearing is no.
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is taking it day by day. he is certainly hearing all the criticism he is getting. that has to sting. some of the critics are people who he were, has worked with. larry thompson, his predecessor, deputy attorney general signed an op-ed taking him to task over this. that is not easy for him. i don't know. at some point he will want to explain himself. charlie: before the election? michael: i would be surprised. the fbi's hope is that they can get through this stuff without any more headlines coming out of it. to mike's point, there was this eric holder op-ed in the washington post today, that was extremely critical of comey. holder was the attorney general when comey started out as the fbi director.
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the clashed a lot, but at same time, to have the attorney general that you worked for taking you to task publicly, that has to have an impact. charlie: thank you all. we will be right back. stay with us. ♪
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♪ charlie: neil shen, one of china's most successful investors. in 2005 he founded sequoia capital china, its portfolio
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including some of the country's major backed companies. -- venture backed companies. the firm has been instrumental in bringing american companies to the chinese market, including linkedin, airbnb. last week zto expressed interest -- express the sequoia backed deal, the largest you are offering since 2016. i am pleased to have him at this table for the first time. welcome. it is good to have you here. tell me where you think the chinese economy is at this moment. neil: if you look at last 10 years, gdp growth has come down. but i only say, the quality of the growth has improved. if you are looking at the consumer economy, their weight in all the gdp has moved up. it continues to do so. the last year or so, you are hearing very strong policy toward the supply-side reform. clearly the government is trying
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to push for the consumer economy taking more weight over the service industry. and the service industry can respond to more weight. charlie: do you worry about debt? neil: clearly that is an issue people have been talking about. economy, allross these issues can be solved. if you are looking at today's chinese economy, there is something called a new economy and something called an old economy. old economy refers to traditional manufacturing businesses. the new economy is doing very well, talking about sectors like information technology, health consumer sectors, which link to the consumption of , those are doing great. charlie: apple makes huge investments. neil: exactly. in different sectors besides information-technology. there are health care companies,
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consumer companies, all really want to penetrate into china, or penetrate more into china. charlie: how long will it take to turn this economy around from an export economy to a domestic consumer economy? neil: a lot of things are in the making. great progress has been made. i don't know how long it will take for the consumer economy to respond with the type of percentages you see in the u.s. but the trend is good. look at one data point. last year in this quarter, a single day, november 11, which is the online shopping day for chinese consumers, 14 billion transactions. those were done through one single company. that is alibaba. in the u.s. we know there is a cyber monday. we have one billion dollars in sales on that monday. the chinese consumer clearly has a very big appetite, and i think this is the way to go.
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charlie: is alibaba going to go global? neil: it is very much so. in fact today they have sales in the u.s., europe, and into the middle east, south asia. if you look at all the major companies in china, not just alibaba, all of them have international space ambitions. charlie: what about financial markets? neil: they were volatile last year. [laughter] charlie: i think volatile would be an apt description. neil: it is getting much better this year. we are seeing clear reform measures in place to try to encourage the so-called new economy companies, or the innovating companies, to get listed more easily in china. some of those reforms that the chinese government to -- has put in place. charlie: you went to school in china, then came to yale?
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and from yale to wall street. you decided that when things were good in china, he would -- you would leave wall street and go back to china? neil: i got a call after i had worked at citibank for two years and someone said, you have a yale background and you come from china. we want you in china help this chinese company to raise money. i decided, that is great. of thosetarting point chinese companies trying to raise money either from hong kong listings, u.s. listings, and i joined lehman brothers and worked on a number of chinese financing, equity financing. charlie: you were involved in a company that you helped build, in the expedia business. neil: that is right. i am proud of that experience. in 19 99, after working in the banking industry for over six years, i decided i would try something more entrepreneurial. i cofounded the company c-trip
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together with two of my friends. c-trip, meaning chinese trip. we try to learn from -- charlie: kind of an expedia china. neil: right. today we're almost the same size as expedia. with 16 years of history. it is a $25 billion plus market. charlie: you decided to go into venture capital. with sequoia, but making it run from china. neil: yes. that's right. it is a very great set-up. on the one hand, you have the global brand, you have the 40 year experience and views on technology, on a global basis, with sequoia. at the same time, we had a decision-making on the ground by local teams. that is important. there are very unique dynamics in china. oftentimes, some of the things worked in the u.s., they may not
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work in china and vice versa. charlie: does china have the equivalent of a silicon valley? neil: we don't look at one single city. i think if you combine the cities of beijing, shanghai, shenzhen-- they are bigger than silicon valley, don't you think? charlie: think about what you just combined. neil: exactly. and to some extent, there is a unique edge for certain sectors. you have wonderful manufacturing facilities. some wonderful supply chains already in place. for a consumer electronics company, you might have a better chance to be successful in china compared with in the u.s.. charlie: what do you advise american companies that want to penetrate the chinese market -- whether they sell cars, household appliances, or whatever they sell? neil: 30 years ago if you were a leading u.s. company, if go into -- if you penetrate into chinese market, it was an easy exercise.
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today, the local companies are very competitive. you really need to think about whether you have an edge there. on top of that -- charlie: you need to have a local presence, too. neil: right. you need to localize your products and services. you are better to do that working with strong local business partners and with a local team. the chinese businesspeople are very entrepreneurial. you need someone of top talent in china that has the entrepreneurial mindset to help you, not just another guy listening in the head office. charlie: what happened with uber? neil: they compete -- charlie: they competed and they basically said, no, we will combine with the largest chinese company. we are out. neil: there are sectors in china where we see, the local listing space, there are two companies,
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when called 58, the other called -- they competed for many years and decided to merge another company we founded, its competitor is like the yelp of china. charlie: in china today, whether it is the major american tech success, google or facebook, there is a chinese version. they have such a big market, they are able to grow very fast. correct? neil: correct. increasingly more you see some business models that you never see in the u.s. charlie: what are they like? neil: for example, dgi based out of shenzhen. they are losing manufacturing capability. they have done a wonderful job to increase market share, beating competitors globally. again, it is original technology developed in china.
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charlie: take apple for example. looking at the phenomenal success of the iphone and iphone 6, the chinese market was a big part of that. neil: for sure. charlie: it is declining, yes? neil: it is a very competitive product offering. it is no different. go to india or europe, you will have the same challenge. any company -- you have to be competitive. chinese consumers are getting sophisticated. there are a lot of local companies that have very unique technology. you just have to be prepared. charlie: with apple, there was skepticism that their price point would be appealing to chinese consumers. it turned out, it was very appealing to chinese consumers, they wanted quality. neil: if you look at a few emerging chinese brands, they also have high quality. you have to compete effectively.
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there is not really a policy issue. it is, how much product is competitive? make sure you have local partners to work with you. charlie: as more people come from poverty and the middle class and any other time in civilization in china, it creates huge growth. neil: including the chinese buying overseas products. i think that is a great help for many u.s. companies. many u.s. consumer companies could hire to that demand. charlie: tell me about zto express. neil: that is a fantastic story. charlie: sequoia made $1 billion with them. neil: a lot more than that. he never went to high school.
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he actually started his business with his fellow friends. he was brought up in a mountain. charlie: what did he do? neil: he identified his opportunity with people who want fulfillment service when they buy products at alibaba. he notices an opportunity and executes it. it is not easy. amazon: that is why spends a ton of money on delivery so they can deliver , within hours. neil: and they became the largest express delivery company in china. 15 million packages delivered daily with high quality. charlie: one man with no high school education, was it? neil: he started before his high school. he was brought up in a mountain village, just about a 1.5 hour drive from the city. charlie: what do you attribute to his success?
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the drive to be good? neil: first of all, he is a smart businessman business , savvy. second of all, he runs his business with transparency, with shared success with customers. i think he had the right partner. we have been a big help. charlie: speaking of that, you are in business with my sometimes friend and sometimes business partner. how has that been doing? neil: they have been in china for more than seven years. they have not done well. we want to help them to escalate that to the next level of success. the sports market in china is is in high gross. charlie: marketing sports. neil: sports, events, media, including online media.
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i saw sports 10 years ago when people started looking at the entertainment space in china. when people pay more attention to all of those sports activities, advertisement dollars came in, and this was the right time. we were already doing well in china. he has golf tournaments, various events in china. but with local partners like ourselves, i think we can become a dominant force in china. charlie: you don't talk much about the government. neil: if you're looking at the last several years, i think the policy is very favoring-- i will give you a few examples. there is a strong promotion about innovation and entrepreneurship. they are building a system around that. including government supported funds. this is an important factor in driving entrepreneur spirit. charlie: you travel around the world. you go to india. what is happening in india?
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neil: i see a similar dynamic compared to china. in fact, especially like china 5 to 10 years ago. internet is growing rapidly. they are disrupting many traditional service sectors. technology has been applied more intensively. obviously people are catching up fast. i see some very similar dynamics just like 10 years ago in china. charlie: is google back in china? neil: i don't know the details. if a u.s. company goes to china, they should do it the same way they did with linkedin and airbnb -- find a local partner, localize it your product, follow the local policies and trying to , compete in the market. charlie: you were the local partner for linkedin, right? >> neil: that is exactly what you need to do. the market is competitive, and you need people to help you. charlie: thank you. neil shen from sequoia capital. back in a moment., compete in t.
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stay with us. ♪ charlie: taylor goldsmith is
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here, the lead singer for dawes. the l.a. based folk singer's new work has been called "the best album you have never heard." their fifth studio although is a departure from their classical laurel canyon sound. the album is called "we're all gonna die."
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here are they performing their single "roll with the punches" in our studio. ♪ >> ♪ the separation was symmetrical they both retreated to their sides drawing lists of demands and muddy lines in the sand trying out their separate lives most of the damage was collateral but still inspired some debate
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all the principles of why all the people we love are the same as we also can hate you just roll with the punches until you can't feel a thing you just roll with the punches aww yeah the separation was logistical deciding what belongs to whom how dying love manifests
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in a rug or a chest the decorations of a room every promise was negotiable most of all the ones they made alone when she finally forgave what he'll take to his grave learning not to pick up the phone you just roll with the punches until you can't feel a thing you just roll with the punches aww yeah
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the separation was a miracle. a man of static right behind your eyes that you filter everything through without knowing you do a past and future synthesized you just roll with the punches until you can't feel a thing you just roll with the punches aww yeah you just roll with the punches
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until you can't feel a thing you just roll with the punches aww yeah ♪ charlie: i am pleased to have taylor goldsmith at the table for the first time. welcome. taylor: thank you for having me. charlie: there is a lot written about your efforts to find the right sound. tell me about that. what is important, what you didn't want to be, what you did want to the, then how do you do that? taylor: i feel to a certain degree, any artist shuns a label that is put on them. if you start to tell nirvana, you are a grunge band, i feel like they would resist that. or any example. someone like neil young, you can tell how much of the music changes, it is clear that the
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artist identifies himself as something that goes way beyond a simple genre. for us, folk music or 1970's music is a big influence. but just as music that has been made these last few years. like any artist, you want to give the full spectrum of what inspires you and what you want to express. in that sense, it is always exciting and inspiring to try and incorporate whatever else that means so much to us, but has not yet become part of us. charlie: being unique and authentic. taylor: trying to find that line -- charlie: how you don't sound like somebody else. taylor: and honoring what feels good about what you already are. not abandoning your sense of self, but elaborating on it. charlie: you made a comment that art makes a suggestion, and
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sometimes art is disruptive. taylor: i feel like there are so many artists that can make a mere announcement, and it can be so effective. i can sit here with an acoustic guitar and say "she left me, i am all alone, i am sad." that will make someone feel empathetic to a certain degree. but if you leave it at that, it can leave someone hanging. whereas the great stuff -- not always -- but it has an opportunity to offer a means of moving forward. whether that is through the lyrics or just the sound of the music. something that offers a suggestion where you can take something and learn from it and feel empowered or feel edified because of what the music has brought you. rather than just drag you through the mud. charlie: is "we're all gonna die" sad?
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taylor: there is the song, and there is the album. to me, it is not sad. as a songwriter you have to write about what inspires you. you spend time dwelling about the things on your mind. the idea of death, or with that song, it is more about our sense of purpose and sense of self. charlie: you separate yourself as a songwriter from being a guitarist or a vocalist or anything else. or is this all the same, coming under music? taylor: i would consider myself a songwriter at first. i like singing my songs. i have never had that feeling like i want to go to a certain city and start writing for all these people. i like being in a band and love playing guitar and singing. that is what compels me to stay with it. charlie: is the live show the best thing for you? you would much rather be in a
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live show than in a studio recording an album? taylor: i feel more comfortable on a stage. we clock so many hours on one. whereas in the studio, we made five records, it was fun, but it lasts about one month each. i still feel green, like this is brand-new to me. on stage, it can change over the course of night to night, but also from song to song. where all of a sudden i feel connected and that i feel like we are all communicating in a way that we can't otherwise. audience and band. charlie: do you feel like the audience comes in without a perception of you, and whatever you can do in the three hours, you can change them in terms of how they see you and what they know about you? taylor: i think it is earned. it is not a simple thing that they can go in there and be quiet and let me do this. i want to get to those slow
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ballads were everyone sings softly and feel like you wanted to be quiet and engage with us. i like the idea of looking at the relationship between an artist and audience as a band. -- as a dance. we have to get to this place where we are in line with each other. when you guys want to get big, we all want to go there together. and when we want to bring it down and get intimate, they want to do the same thing. charlie: the same rhythm. when you began did you identify , yourself as folk? taylor: i guess so. when we begun we were unaware of so much important music. i listened to a lot of leonard cohen and bob dylan, and they said, you sound like you are from california. which we are, but i did not even know what that meant. people said, you have to check out jackson browne and joni mitchell -- artists that i was either aware of our only peripherally aware of.
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charlie: you wanted to be informed, but not exactly like them. taylor: we only started doing our homework when people started associating us with those artists. when people say you play acoustic guitars and sing harmonies, you guys are a folk band, i guess that makes sense. charlie: you debuted number one on the folk chart. taylor: that is great. i think folk is more of an ideal. it is so impossible to put into any kind of sonic context. i think that folk -- it is a matter of perspective. if someone is born lyric conscious, or focused, if it is a priority at all, people will say the words country or folk. it doesn't matter if it sounds like lady gaga. it's the way that people interpret it. charlie: it gives you a chance to be a new band. taylor: i think that is something that any band depends on. look at any artist that we all
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love that has been able to stay around through the years. there is always a turning point. in most cases, several of them. if they are not brave enough to take those steps, they don't say -- stay in the conversation, it seems. charlie: this is an album and songs about what it's like to fall in love? taylor: an indirect way, yeah. charlie: were you falling in love when you are writing songs? taylor: yes -- for some reason, at this point in my life, that aspect of my life became more sacred than it had before. i became something that i wasn't as comfortable with putting on display. the songs are not necessarily about that directly, but i felt like i had this wake-up call. i felt like i had realized a certain joy, like i said, a certain sacredness that i never experienced before. the songs come from it, even though they are titles like
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"we're all gonna die." charlie: where is she when you are on the road? taylor she is an actress, : working really hard with that. she is as busy as i charlie: you am. opened for bob dylan on his 2013 tour. taylor: i got to meet him briefly. it was obviously a high point in my whole life. charlie: did you talk about songwriting? taylor: it was 20 seconds. [laughter] taylor: but he did mention, he said, what was that last ballad you played? i told him the name of that song, and he said, that is a great song. that was our conversation about songwriting, and obviously that , meant the world to me. i love all of this stuff that is going on. charlie: it is a recognition of songwriting as a serious literary expression. taylor: exactly. i read an interesting quote about all these playwrights have gotten the same nobel prize for literature.
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and that stuff is not intended for the page, it is intended to be performed and heard. for that to be going to a musician, it is no different. i love that it inspires the debate. i have a friend that is a professor that started caling me right away, he teaches writing, and he said what do you think? , i am a songwriter so maybe i am biased, but i think of course he deserves this. charlie: where do you wanted to go? is it constantly changing in terms of how you see the music evolving? or do you discover it? is there more vision, more plan, or just being open to wherever it takes you? taylor: i think the latter. for us, it has always been a matter of creating a work of art that starts to resemble our commitment to it.
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and our entire life. my heroes, musicians and otherwise, go beyond one movie or album or book. looking at the dedication that spanned for 40 or 50 years like , what you do. these examples of guys that have dedicated themselves to what they love for so long. it overwhelms me. rather than say to you, i want to play in front of the 15,000 people -- as much as i would like that, i want to be able to show my kids, look at these 20-30 records that i made that speak for my time at this age. that has always been the dream. charlie: much success to you. thank you. "we're all gonna die," by dawes. here it is. ♪ >> ♪ everyone that greeted me,
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was moving slow and drinking fast i was lost inside a painting on a wall a pretty baby with a cigarette, was looking for a place to ash stumbling toward the voices down the hall they had thriller on the stereo, not the album, just the song for two dancers all in white, that no one really knew there were a lot of leather jackets, there was a haircut reading palms there was a line outside the bathroom that didn't really move when the tequila runs out, we'll be drinking champagne when the tequila runs out, we'll be drinking champagne
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when the tequila runs out, we'll be drinking champagne when the tequila runs out, we'll be feeling no pain some girls forgot their bathing suits but felt like jumping in the pool right after making sure the underwater lights were on i was staring at a silhouette, i was blushing like a fool letting everyone pretend they hadn't planned it all along then our host bust out of his bedroom, with his glasses slightly bent he gets up on the diving board to tell us how he feels "ladies and gentlemen we've begun the initial decent, and now it's time to pull up on the wheel"
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when the tequila runs out, we'll be drinking champagne ♪ ♪ mark: i am mark crumpton, you
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