tv With All Due Respect Bloomberg November 4, 2016 8:00pm-9:01pm EDT
mark: i'm mark halperin john: and i'm john heilemann. "with all due respect" when you say this election is enough. that was a gladiator joke. on our menu tonight, some juicy fbi updates. the deep dish and buffet of other news. a free range cut of the sights and sounds of this busy day on the campaign trail. >> what's up fayetteville? >> i'm happy to be at the home of the steelers.
mr. trump in four days we are : going to win the great state of new hampshire. >> four days left. four days left. and the stakes -- the stakes could not be higher. mrs. clinton: are we going to build a stronger, fairer, better america or we going to fear each other and the future? mr. trump hillary clinton is the : candidate of yesterday. we, you, you, we, are the movement of the future. president obama understand the : stakes here. my name's not on the ballot, but everything we've worked for is on the ballot. [cheers and applause] >> justice is on the ballot. [applause] >> equality is on the ballot. [applause] >> jobs are on the ballot. [applause] >> criminal justice reforms on the ballot. [applause]
>> democracy is on the ballot. i need you to vote. john: the snapshot of public polling out today for the most part was rife with good news. yesterday it was good news. today's batch has a little bit more favorable news for hillary clinton. the daily tracking poll has clinton up by three points. 49% to 46%. that is still within the survey's margin of era. clinton's lead is one point higher than yesterday and two points higher than the day before that. most of the state polls look positive for the democratic nominee. roanoke college has her up by seven points. that is in virginia. 63 another poll from georgia that in the second day in a row shows clinton within striking distance in that red state. on trump's highlight list, third new hampshire poll in two days from the university of massachusetts shows a tied race in the granite state.
and trump still leads in iowa by three points, a state his team has felt confident for some time. as we go into the weekend, the final weekend before election day, where does the stand? mark: fundamentals are the same. structurally in terms of the , public data, hillary clinton is ahead and we can see many day, where does the stand? paths for her to get to 270 and very few for donald trump. if any. i will say the following things. i was at trump tower doing the "circus,"or our show i never seen a group of people this loose. maybe it's an act and they say we will probably win. clinton people say we are going to win and they seem a little tight. maybe because they are the front runner and lead has gone away. today's data and even the data from yesterday mixed about each
, state, still advantage clinton. structurally it's overwhelming still. john: let's be clear. the trump campaign says it's going to win. regardless of what they actually believe, so what else are they going to say? they have to keep their candidate confident and who knows he might fire someone. they want the bandwagon effect. john: and you don't want to undercut your candidate if there is any chance of winning. the clinton campaign has suffered through bad publicity and coming off maybe the last big surprise, the comey letter. they had a tough time and been trying to gauge how much damage that and the fallout from that has done. the polls have started to stabilize, but they are still going to be nervous. the psychology in brooklyn is different. they spend all their time with democrats who are telling them every day if you lose to donald , trump, it means the end of the world. the trump campaign does not have
that same psychology. mark: here's what we are back to, michigan, wisconsin, colorado, it's the path to 270 that is most likely for trump. if he can win ohio and iowa, he has to win the other big three, north carolina and florida. very tough. got to win nevada. then win new hampshire and now new hampshire and maine they are plausible. john: the clinton campaign did a conference call and look at the early vote numbers in florida and north carolina and they say we are on track to win those states and if they win either one of them, no trump presidency. mark: unless he somehow wins michigan. the big five for a reason. that is the current state of the race and look at the end game. there are just four news cycles left until america picks its
next president. until then hillary clinton and , donald trump are going to land in as many states as they can. there will be a few states added, but here is what we know. tomorrow, saturday, trump going and hillary are going to florida, colorado. trump makes a stop in iowa and wisconsin and on monday, double date in philadelphia and trump in new hampshire and north carolina. again expect more states to be , added. on the v.p. side, both are campaigning an army of surrogates in the next 72 hours. joe biden bernie sanders, bill , clinton and the obamas and tim kaine and mike pence. rick perry, rudy giuliani, trump skids, and sarah palin. john taking their moves in their totality, what does it tell you about the state of the race? john: i know we have been going back and forth on nevada, nevada.
they are starting to mess with you in the prompter. they are writing it in in a way they are trying to screw with you. it's nevada. but they are messing with you. it's not fair. guys stop doing that to mark. the trump campaign is going around and they know they have to figure out a way to widen out the map somehow. so he will have a broader travel schedule over these next the 72 hours. clinton campaign is hammering away at some of the states. that they know if they win one of them, she will spend a lot of time in florida and north carolina and a lot in pennsylvania because that's the one they feel was thought of as the blue state that trump might be able to add that if they win that one and one of these other ones, it shuts down the race. they are laser focused on a few states this weekend. and the trump campaign is looking for a wild card. mark: if trump wins pennsylvania, he almost certainly will win. they have to stop him.
for me the two states i'm most , interested in are north carolina and new hampshire. new hampshire's got the kind of voters that trump hasn't been doing well with, upscale suburban voters and north carolina, same thing. well-educated voters. if trump can win in those two states somehow and the polling , suggests he could, although the democrats say north carolina is solid, we are looking at a different map on tuesday. john: there are the big five dynamics and what else is interesting as you think about the movements of these guys. the fact that hillary clinton, she done now with the west. she won't be anywhere near colorado or nevada because they believe that those states -- forget the polling they believe , those states are still locked down. she can live on the east coast which makes her life easier in terms of covering ground. mark: there has been a lot of talk about the candidates' health and both older candidates. let's see how they do because
this is physically a tough period. hats off to them. john: she is going to live on eastern time. mark: tension between the f.b.i. and hillary clinton's campaign has been put in front and center ever since director james comey sent his letter to congress last week. now a report by "the guardian" there is an agency with widespread dislike for hillary clinton and suggested that colleagues supporting the republican nominee were responsible for the leaks that have come out of the fbi in recent days. apparently they are not just talking to the press. two days before the letter sent to congress, rudy giuliani went on fox news and made this cryptic prediction. >> you are going to hear about it in the next few days. i am talking about some pretty big surprise. >> i heard you say that this morning. what do you mean? >> you will see. that was two days before
comey's letter and today rudy was back on fox news and he was asked what he knew and when he knew it? >> i am careful not to talk to many active come on duty fbi agents. but i sure have a lot of friends who are retired fbi agents, close personal friends. this has been going on since doing this.comey i heard a former f.b.i. agents telling me that there is a revolution inside the fbi that is now a boiling point. >> you had a general idea something was coming. >> i had expected, honestly, i thought it was going to be three, four weeks ago. john: today, they called on the inspector general to investigate the fbi leaks. fox, the fox, the network's anger apologize for reporting earlier this week that there was "unlikely indictment looming in the fbi probe on the clinton foundation for hillary clinton."
as this saga continues, what impact do you think the fbi business will have on the final days of this race? mark: people are speculating. she is going to have repair her relationship with the fbi, if she can with comey. ,a lot of fbi agents have never liked to the clintons. the trump people are right about one thing. the earned media the news flow , is still filled with stuff at a minimum to energize the right about wikileaks and comey, et cetera. at a minimum, it gives republicans still all the way through tuesday because there is nothing bigger in the media to talk about. john: we said last friday and we both agreed it was inappropriate for comey to issue this letter and inappropriate to hold that big media event back in july when he decided not to press any charges against hillary clinton, to indict her. what happened this last week in the fbi the stories about leaks , and the stories about trump
and rudy apparently got tipped off by a former agent or current one, this is destroying the credibility of the fbi can read have the fbi in the middle of a political election in a political way, where americans are coming to the conclusion that a faction of the fbi has its thumb on the scale this close to an election day is a huge ongoing problem for this agency. and james comey he is , responsible for certain things and let his agency get out of way that is damaging to a really important american institution. mark: and to the election. he said it off, i wish he could fix it. up next, take a spin for some headlines and what they might mean for the presidential race when we come back. ♪
mark: remember last month, october, when it felt like every friday gave us a new salacious, can't make this up kind of october surprise. the hollywood access video wikileak emails and last week's congress about the fbi looking at hillary clinton. it's november now, which means for whatever reason, we have been spared the pre-weekend mega whiplash, but there were smaller stories today that could impact the final few days of the race. let's start with a verdict in the bridgegate trial, two former officials with ties to chris christie were found guilty today of conspiracy of fraud and other charges related to that 2013 george washington bridge lane closure. testimony at the trial suggested trump'sistie, in donald
transition team, knew about the move, which was considered political retribution for not endorsing his reelection campaign. today the governor put out a statement saying the allegations from the trial were not true. he had no knowledge of or authorizing it. christie added, i will set the record straight in the coming days regarding the lies told by the media and in the courtroom. as of yesterday, christie was supposed to be stumping this weekend for trump in pennsylvania and new hampshire. this afternoon on the clinton campaign press plane, john podesta was eager to tie today's verdict to the republican presidential nominee, telling those on the plane, rather than crisscrossing the country and talking about cleaning up the swamp, he, trump might drain his own swamp and ask mr. christie to resign as head of his transition. so john, will the verdicts in bridgegate play a role here in the last days of the presidential campaign? john: we will see if christie has come out he has not done , very much as a surrogate for
trump. when he is out, he is one of the more effective surrogates trump has. to go to the more core thing, the bridgegate thing and talking undermining the fbi's credibility -- christie is damaged goods. he with won't be able to put this to rest. if trump wins, the guy who is running the transition, a guy and has done damage affected his credibility, let alone be the attorney general in the united states in a trump administration. mark: has more implications. john: down the line. mark: i do not think christie would have been that strong a surrogate. he has been off the trail. this is something people have been watching all year. i think in the end, impacts in new jersey, not a big deal for governor christie or donald trump right now, today. john: most of the impact has been felt. today we have the final labor department jobs report, u.s.
economy added 161,000 new jobs in october. and unemployment rate fell to , 4.9%. first time that the unemployment rate has been under 5%. the campaign in pittsburgh, hillary clinton said it depicts an economy ready to take off. trump dubbed the news proof of quote the obama economic disaster. what role do you think these numbers will play? mark: the economy, there is plenty of data that hillary clinton and president obama can talk about things improving. these are not mega numbers but they are solid. trump likes to go around saying he is unpopular, but his rating is the third highest it has been since his time in office. this gives democrats a way to stay the course. you may not like the direction of the country, stay the course, things are not going backwards.
they are getting at least incrementally better. john: this is the simplest thing in the world, when the unemployment rate is going down and that a milestone of some kind, the first time it has been below 5% in a decade, that's good news for the party in power. she's going to say, hey, look, obama might be moving slow and there are bigger macro problems, but in the end we are making , slow and steady progress and adding new jobs and it's reflected in president obama's approval rating. it makes them all the stronger as a surrogate. mark: had the numbers been really bad, would have been very good for the republican party. john: 100%. mark: it is better for the democrats in the negative. finally a friday wikileaks , update. no huge new news. there is an inbox from john podesta and an aide pushed back against conflict of interests
roles at the family foundation, saying such roles would cause problems for the former president. in another e-mail, the campaign to medications director jennifer eri appeared palmi appeared to call comey a bad choice. wikileaks was one of five potential hacks that the "new york times" wrote that the american public might have to worry about in conjunction with tuesday's election. the others he said is interfering with voter rolls and reporting to media, tinkering with voting machines and internet disruption that would keep the public in the dark. and potentially away from polling places. so, john, based on the previous hacks and potential future those stand?do not a huge friday surprise, but where do they stand? john: all the things on that list are basically background noise on this point. the last 72 hours, you have to have a big thing to really break through. none of those things qualify.
some of the foundation stuff could be a problem for hillary clinton if she becomes president. this hacking thing -- i went down and talked to -- i'm suggesting what might happen. this may turn out to be like y2k. there are enough things that could go wrong i'm feeling a little apprehension. , mark: i'm hoping that our federal government is all over this. john: coming up, we have a window in trump's latest visit to wisconsin. ♪
trump rally in eau claire, wisconsin. the republican nominee making a last-minute appeal in the blue-leaning badger state. we covered the event produced in cooperation with bloomberg politics, "the circus." here's a bit of that. >> as political analyst willie nelson said, on the road again. we are going to eau claire, wisconsin, part of donald trum'' chance.inute he has to figure out a way to build a coalition and get republicans to come home and win enough independents and blue-collar democrats to win a state that republicans have not won in a long time. it tends to be pretty divided. [chanting]
>> there are large numbers who feel compeled to come out and emotions and tensions are running high. this is a state that republicans are putting pressure on. in the last week you have trump coming here. it means they think they can win it or are running out of options to get 270 electoral votes. >> give a warm welcome to the next president of the united states of america, donald trump! >> thank you very much. great state. thank you everybody. this is incredible, we are the bright future. and i say we, we, we. i'm only a messenger. remember i'm only a messenger , but you have to say i'm doing a pretty good job as a messenger. [cheers and applause]
mr. trump she is the candidate : of yesterday. we are the movement of the future. we are. we are. [cheers and applause] mr. trump we are just -- listen : to this, one week, one week. do you believe it? [crowd chanting] mr. trump: thank you. i will not disappoint you, that i promise. god bless you, everybody. thank you. thank you. >> this event represents all that's going right with the trump campaign right now. trump was confident, sentiment -- sentimental. this is about the voters, not him. this is the kind of general election candidates wish he could have been all along. he could still lose and still lose badly, but if he keeps this up, he is going to put a lot of pressure on hillary clinton.
mark: a lot of political bold-faced names, i covered bill clinton and rudy giuliani. you were out with evan mcmullen. and strategist from california. trump did not win wisconsin. there was so much resistance among the establishment, has that changed and the party is rallying behind him? mark: that event had not just scott walker but ron johnson, who had not appeared with trump at all. you can see the whole episode of "the circus" at 8:00 p.m. when we come back, we spice things up, after the break. ♪
communications director and chief strategist sean spicer. taking a look at all the data, everything you know right now about the race, is donald trump now the favorite, or still the underdog? sean: i think he is still the underdog, but i think everything we are seeing both nationally and in the states is trending his way. that's a great place to be. going into the last four days, i would rather have the wind at our back and all the momentum with us than not. most likelys the electoral college path for donald trump, minus the romney states and north carolina? sean: so, florida, ohio, iowa, north carolina, i think we start to kickoff. colorado is dead even. michigan is dead even. those are my two top, but i think if you look at right below the surface there, and what that would be, third, is virginia, is in the mix. new hampshire and maine too. that is sort of the story of this. the map keeps expanding, and a lot more of these states are
within the margin of error. like i said, there is not one that's not trending in our direction. when you look at where the democrats are spending their time and money, they are seeing the same data we are. they are in colorado, and north carolina, doubling down in a lot of these places, because i think they've started to see this map takes that. in virginia they pulled out. colorado, they pulled out, margin of error. new hampshire, dead even. these guys got really cocky, pulled out. donald trump's message of change is building in these solidly blue states, states that obama carried twice. john: trump has had messages that have ranged from soaring ly optimistic and his typical negative attacks on hillary clinton. what will we see from him in the last 72 hours?
will it be more toward the positive, or will he spend most of his time still trying to keep hillary clinton out? sean: i think it is a majority positive. he will talk about the opportunity to change washington and the change that he brings, and opportunities to make america great again. but you will make sure that people continue to understand that contrast and not keep the foot on the gas in that aspect. you and chairman priebus have come under criticism from republicans who say you should not have been so supportive towards donald trump. any regrets on your part or the chairman's part about the role you played in helping donald trump since back in the spring? sean: zero. i will tell you why, because it's not our decision. donald trump got more votes than any republican seeking this office before. it is not anyone's job in washington to second-guess that. that's the reality of this. he bested 16 other candidates. he was the choice of millions of republican voters, and that's our job. that is fundamentally the job of the republican national committee.
to support people who win the nomination and make sure they win. not to second-guess the voters, not to say washington knows that her. -- knows better. we did that and we have the best ground game and data operation that either party has seen, and that will put us to over the top november 8. john: you guys are getting some criticism for seeming to have been filled in or tipped off about director comey's letter last friday. tell us what you can tell us about the campaign. did the campaign have some idea that that letter was coming? sean: i'm fully aware that anyone had any knowledge of that. at least from my perspective and from the rnc perspective, i had no idea it was coming. but again, i think one other thing that is important is all of the focus on the fbi and director comey, none of this would be happening if hillary clinton had not done what she did. she held a secret server, it was accessed by anthony weiner. none of those actions could have happened if it was not for her
actions in the first place, fervor coverups, for the repeated lies. nothing would have happened if it wasn't for hillary clinton's actions over and over doing the things she did to mislead the american people and cover things up. john: if we have more time, we would spend more time on this issue. thank you for doing this show. let's bring in a democratic vice -- a democratic voice, strategist and former white house press secretary bill burton, who joins us. as you look at the interchange, with rudy giuliani predicting a big thing coming out, the coming letter that happening, then going on television and seeming to suggest he's talking to a lot of agents who tipped him off about the fact that letter was forthcoming, what do you make of that and how problematic it is? bill: those issues are already baked into the equation. if you love hillary clinton, you don't think it's a big deal.
well, you think it is a big deal that rudy giuliani got tipped off, probably. if you like donald trump, you don't care that he got tipped off. none of this is going to move the needle at all. from a criminal standpoint, rudy giuliani probably has a problem , or the fbi agents leaking him information have a problem that will be dealt with in few course. but from a political standpoint, i don't think this moves one vote or one way or the other. mark: if hillary clinton wins, do you think she will have a problem with the director? bill: it seems like it would be pretty awkward to be in the room for their first meeting. he clearly stumbled his way through this. he has not acquitted himself well in the political sense, to be able to navigate that. mark: should she ask him to submit his resignation if he wins? bill: i'm not going to second-guess what hillary clinton wants to do.
but i certainly don't think he has the confidence of the american people anymore, considering how he's acted. mark: should president obama call for his resignation? bill: i don't know what president obama knows. i know that people have very little confidence in his ability to navigate politics. but in terms of whether or not he should lose his job, that's for others to decide. at a lot of looking data from early vote, and i hear democrats on every side of this issue. some democrats looking at the early vote numbers and saying, this is performing really well, it gives us a lot of confidence about places like florida, north carolina. other democrats freaking out over the fact that she seems to not be performing strongly enough with core constituencies. when you look at it, where are you? bill: there are a lot of ways to slice this. i think if you look at the aggregate hold -- poll numbers,
the early voting data, it suggests that certain states are out of reach for donald trump at this point. every single day that has gone by, i've gotten more confident. that said, i've also gotten more and more nauseous about the prospect of donald trump potentially becoming president. but i think the numbers and logic suggests that hillary clinton will be just fine on tuesday night and the race will get called early in the night. that's my prediction. mark: if nothing else, make sure you pack in some pepto-bismol. you are going to have a few more difficult days. thank you for being on the show with us. my interview with george lopez is next. you are watching us in washington, d.c., on the radio radio on 99.1 fm. ♪
john: george lopez is one of america's most famous hispanics. his standup act does not shy away from politics. you might have thought lopez would have been interviewed frequently about the presidential race this year. especially about donald trump, -- is harsh and it's a very whose hearts, incendiary, and sometimes outrageous comments about latinos have been a talking point in this campaign. when i ran into lopez recently at a playoff game and asked him whether he had been asked much about this election, he said very few journalists had asked him to talk about it at all. so we decided to remedy that situation stat, and george and i sat down to talk yesterday in los angeles. he started by telling me it wasn't just the media who failed to see can -- seek him out in 2016. george: in 2008, barack obama personally reached out and called me and asked me where i was politically, what my motives were. he said, if you don't mind, i would appreciate it if you would help me secure a latino base and the latino vote.
in 2012 he came back and did the same thing. i haven't heard from the clinton campaign. my social media platform is high. people respect my opinion when i am political. some people don't agree with it, particularly this election. but it's definitely a voice that 2008 as loud as it was in and 2012. john: i will read a few things here that donald trump has either said or done about mexican-american. this to me is the campaign and trump's relationship. started off by saying their criminals and rapists. he tweeted a taco ball -- taco bowl on cinco de mayo. he said george gonzalez curiel could not do his job. even though he was born in indiana. he retweeted a comment about jeb
bush, quote, jeb bush has to like illegals because of his wife. the last debate he talked about bad hombres. hearing all of that and watching donald trump's rise, what did you think as all of that played out? george: from the elevator ride down to the criminals and rapists, which i put in my act, i'm sure some of them are good , you know, i'ml not in favor of open borders and i'm not in favor of demonizing an ethnic group. it has been all of that. you're right, we don't have the voice that comes out and says, this can't be done, this isn't right. nobody risks, even politicians
wouldn't risk their base for us. so if we don't risk our own future on ourselves, i don't think that -- economically we have a lot of power, but cohesively we are lagging way behind. if it doesn't show up in this election because of every in you just read, then we really have big problems. if you think about all those things that trump has said or done, for a lot of people, they think he's a racist. is donald trump a racist, or no? george: no. i think he's a guy who has had a life of privilege. if you look at the way he has talked about women, african-americans, people who are gay, and especially latinos -- when you are at the top of trump tower, everything looks small to you. the "r" word, "racist," is thrown around with everything. even when you adopt pets at the
pound, the black ones are the last ones to go. it can't be in pets too. i just think that there is -- that guy who has been given everything that doesn't know what it's like to work for something, it's not even taking liberty with the language. it's just the way he talks. john: one of the reasons why you are such an exemplar of your community is that you are close to it still. you are not living in bel air, right? you are close to the community and your family. trump says mexicans and hispanics love him. among all the hispanics you know, is there a lot of love for donald trump? george: i don't think we could agree, even if we kidnapped him, on what to do with him. i'm going to say we don't love him. there are latinos that are for trump. there is one guy that is latino for trump. i saw one that said "woman for
trump." not "women." there was just one woman. i would say that we -- i've never seen a political candidate mocked more and disrespected more than donald trump. and i hope that those memes and unflattering pictures turn into votes. john: you can find a lot of them on your instagram account. you were a big supporter of barack obama. george: i was. hillary clinton, you are going to vote for her? george: i am. john: with enthusiasm? george: no. the immigration problem is probably laid at the feet of barack obama. in 2008, we campaigned and i campaigned based on helping them create a pathway to citizenship. in 2008 it did not happen.
in 2012, he mentioned it and didn't do anything. my only beef with him, we would be the deciding factor, may be in 2012. not that we were expecting to benefit from it, but this whole -- i'm sure some of them are great people, we are going to build that wall, chance, and all of that, he's responsible for it. john: he, barack obama? george: absolutely. and he has deported a lot of people. he's probably the president that has deported the most of our people. criminals, yes. and people who are here working honestly, there has to be a way for them to be able to get on the path to stay. john: i want to ask you about hillary again. do you feel regretful that you supported obama? george: i would not say regretful. i made my choice. the clinton campaign didn't reach out.
but i don't know if i would he as enthusiastic for her, as much as i'm enthusiastic for people to get out of both. i'm more concerned about raising the voter turnout than voting for hillary clinton. john: you are like a lot of americans who will vote for hillary clinton mostly because it's a vote against trump. george: right. john: one last question, we have , on the two tickets, we have one candidate, tim kaine, who is constantly speaking spanish. what do you think about that? order: you cannot chipotle with that spanish. you would have to order by numbers. it might be spanish to him. it's not spanish, though. john: ok. george lopez speaking his heart. george: i'm trying to tell the truth. john: you are about as much like the average american as donald
trump is. you have a pretty good life right now, but the way you are looking at this election is the way a lot of americans are, which is really not liking donald trump, kind of holding your nose for hillary clinton, and just kind of praying that maybe we get through this whole thing and it turns out ok. george: i would say if it was a party, i might hang around because there might be a fight toward the end. john: a big league and bigly thanks to george lopez. ♪
guest: i want to know what's going to happen in pennsylvania, what is going to happen in florida. those are two states that donald trump is really targeting right now. when you look at the electoral map, we know he has to sweep the romney states, pick up all the necessary battlegrounds, and flip potentially a blue state. looking at new hampshire, which last week he was behind by 8 points and now it's a tight race. that is one of those states you really need. also, that congressional district in maine will play a big role potentially. john: explain this to me. the clinton campaign is kicking off tomorrow night, they are doing katy perry in philadelphia, right? they're ending her campaign in pennsylvania again on monday night with the obamas. pennsylvania has been fools gold for republicans for a long time. are they worried? is that what's going on? caitlin: what's interesting about pennsylvania is there's no early voting. the clinton campaign has been focusing on the states with early voting, sending surrogates there.
places like florida and north carolina, big states for early voting. pennsylvania is always key in that final stretch. it is kind of this mirage for republicans. this time, though, trump is appealing to a certain part of the electorate there, and that is split into two states. melania was there in the philadelphia suburbs yesterday. it's a three-point race. it's considered a tossup. i still think it is a stretch. john: for republicans. caitlin: for republicans, but it's one of those places you can't take for granted, especially when everyone is voting on election day. mark: if you look at pennsylvania, colorado, wisconsin, michigan, if any, do you have a hunch of which once they are most likely to win? caitlin: michigan is interesting to me because hillary clinton went to detroit this week. that kind of signals that she is focused on getting -- mark: in the fight against
sanders, she was ahead and then lost it. caitlin: exactly. michigan has been a surprise. donald trump has an appeal there. the race is not as there as it is in some of these others, but if you are looking at those states you mentioned, that could potentially be the next best bet, and just because clinton is kind of worried about that potential surprise. john: also, the demography. michigan is kind of like ohio. caitlin: it has more diverse areas, i would say. i was in ohio last week too in the cleveland area, talking to people who were early voting. we have seen the polls favored donald trump in recent days, but clinton is there tonight, with jay-z, of course, potentially beyonce, trying to drive up young people, african-american voters there. john: why are you not there? caitlin: exactly, i came back too soon. john: what are we doing here? mark: what do you think most worries the clinton campaign as we head into the final weekend? caitlin: because this race is narrowing, because trump has some potential paths -- last
week it was really, really difficult to see how he could pull this off. now there are some options for him. i still think the fundamentals of this race favor clinton. the electoral college map favors clinton at this point. but looking at states like new hampshire closing in, florida is still close, although they are seeing potential in the early voting. mark: would a blowout on either side surprise you at this point? caitlin: i think it actually would. at this point, given what we're seeing in the polls, and given that we have seen a pretty tumultuous new cycle with the news last week and both sides really driving the negative message home against the other, it kind of shows how close this is. mark: thank you very much. enjoy the weekend. try to figure it out. ♪
of a presidential campaign, and i know you and i will both be on the road this weekend with prospective candidates flying around. what are you most looking forward to this weekend? mark: napping between campaign trails. from iowa and new hampshire onward, listening to the stump speeches and listening to how the crowds react. some will be the faithful, but some will be still looking how to pick. john: head to bloombergpolitics.com. coming up on "bloomberg technology," steve ballmer. until monday, for mark and me, we have one word, same as always, sayonara. ♪