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>> good evening, journalism world and the nation are deeply mourning the loss of our friend gwen ifill. andill talk about her life work throughout the program. we start with words this afternoon from president obama. gwen obama: when was -- was a friend of ours. she took faith for the responsibilities of the profession. she defended a strong and free press that makes our democracy work. >> we'll talk more about her
throughout the program but first, we start with what she would want us to start with today and politics. john fulton's name has now been floated in as a possible secretary of state while the world is grappling with the meaning and potential repercussions of donald trump first white house that appointment over the weekend. chairman, reince priebus as white house chief of staff and steve bannon, the former head of breitbart and a firebrand figure associated with alt-right movement. they will be equal partners in running the administration. priebus,ecting reince trump is signaling he wants to .c.ct bc swat -- d swamp-dwellers.
better represents the nationalist and racist views that trump should be vocally rejecting. the anti-defamation league put callingrse statement been an "hostile to core american values. the pig was "a mockery of trump's pledge to unite the country. " andck obama had advice tough love for critics of the team that trump is building. pres. obama: i have been encouraged by his statements on election night about the need for unity and his interest in being the president for all staffs,nd that how he the first step he takes, the first impressions he makes, the reset that can happen after an election, all of those things are important and should be thought about. people have spoken. donald trump will be the next president, the 45th president of the united states.
him to set be up to up a team that he thinks will serve him well and reflect his policies. choices,k, these two obviously big news, and aiding the conversation ever since they were unveiled yesterday. reince priebus, steve bannon. talk about that. mark: it is obvious. these are two guys who played as big a role as anybody else and getting him elected, two guys loyal to him, whom he feels loyalty to, who he thinks will produce the kind of white house he wants. the reality is, if you take them and mike pence, it is not a bad set up. john trusts them. reince priebus is trusted on capitol hill. by not addressing these issues head on, they are allowing him to be defined in a negative way,
and rightfully so. people are alarmed by his association with breitbart, doing nothing to address it except saying bannon is a great guy and i think they are creating a problem they should address head-on is that it is going to be a senior government official. he needs to be accountable. trump needs to display and why he is willing to overlook, which he apparently is, some of the most controversial aspect of what breitbart has done. josh: he might want to embrace some of the controversial aspects of what breitbart has done. see these incendiary headlines, you cannot hold steve bannon accountable for every headline on breitbart. yeah, you can. you really can't. he ran breitbart and proudly trumpeted the notion that breitbart had become a home for white nationalism and the alt-ri
ght. that is a toxic force and eight divisive one. you're picking steve bannon -- a divisive one. you're picking steve bannon, sending a horrible message about what kind of attitude and attributes you are willing to embrace close to the seat of power in the oval office. i do not know what donald trump can say about steve bannon that would make anybody not worried about him given his history and given breitbart's history, but certainly not saying anything, this is an incredibly controversial pick. the most controversial pick for chief in our lifetime, not chief of staff, but it threatens i think to undermine whatever modest good donald trump has done so far by trying to be reassuring to people. it underlines all of that with everyone who has the worst fears and suspicions about where this administration is going to go. mark: it is not just controversial with partisan democrats or the media. it is controversial with republicans. they need to address at a minimum, but i do not think they
will fire him over the firestorm, obviously. they need to address the specific headlines. he can say, "i did not write he needs to repudiate them if he is going to have any hope of being part of a unifying administration. as i have said, he has a fuller resume than this, but you cannot hide behind that. he has to take responsibility and explain and announce the things that people are rightfully really upset about. as donald trump tries out his new role as president-elect, he seems to be toning down more than just his demeanor. during that news interview he did with 60 minutes on sunday night, trump was asked about several policy positions. immigration, gay marriage, the affordable care act, trump appeared to soften his past stance. >> are you really going to build a wall? pres.-elect trump: yes. >> they are talking about a
fence in the republican congress. would you accept a fence? pres.-elect trump: in certain areas, i would, but in certain areas, a wall is more appropriate. could be some fencing. you aboutask obamacare, which you say you are going to repeal and replace. when you replace it, are you going to make sure that people with preconditions are still covered? pres.-elect trump: yes, because it happens to be one of the psalmist assets. also with the children living with their parents for an extended period. we'll try to keep that in. it adds cost, but it is very much something we'll try to keep. >> do you support marriage equality? pres.-elect trump: it is a relevant. it was already settled in the supreme court. it is done. >> even if you appoint a judge -- pres.-elect trump: it is done. these cases have gone to the supreme court and then settle. -- settled, and i am fine with that. >> trump walked back
controversial statements and policy predictions at times, often claiming he had been misunderstood or taken out of context, and in all of that back and forth, it never really seemed to hurt his standing in the polls. mark: president obama suggested shifting his inflexibility on policy and to be an asset. pres. obama: he is coming to this office with few were -- fewer policy prescriptions than a lot of other presidents might be arriving with, and i do not think he is ideological. i think ultimately, he is thatatic in that way, and can serve him well. as long as he has got good people around him and he has a clear sense of direction. mark: john, trump can go left or right, but when he flip-flops,
will he pay a greater price if he does it in the oval office than he did as a candidate? josh: it depends on what he put on and -- flip-flops on. there are many conservatives that did not get behind donald trump because they did not believe he was actually conservative at all, that he had been a democrat his whole life, donated two democrat his whole life, and on health care was further to the left than hillary clinton in his heart. one of the things we will find out now is how much is donald trump -- doug donald trump actually understand policy? does he have actual beliefs of any kind about what policies he would like to see implement it and what are those beliefs? i think there are a fair number of people who believe that trump was saying all the stuff he thought he needed to say to win the nomination and to get elected. we'll find out if there is a real donald trump and who that person is. if he moves to the center in the flopping, he'll not pay a price
at all. much of the liberal media will appreciate that if he does that. you ask me,, if does donald trump care more about what gary bauer things or maureen dowd? the question i think it will be for most of these issues is going to be, does he pay a price on the right? i think between trump and and and and some of the other people , kellyanne conway, they are going to find a way to make people feel good about what is happening, particularly economic conservatives. if they are going to pass major tax reform early on, a lot of economic conservatives who don't care much about the social agenda trump ran on as a candidate, they will be like, great. i don't think social conservatives, many of them are going to turn away because trump will find some way to keep them happy. josh: josh: that is a concern, when he has to throw those pieces of red meat off to keep the right happy. john: hate crime have been
occurring across the country's since the election and have not abated. southern poverty law center has tracked more than 200 incidents of election related harassment and intimidation over the last week alone, targeting african-americans, muslims, women, and the lgbt community. the president-elect keeps saying he wants to unite the country but has been silent on the matter until he was asked about it in that 50 minutes interview that aired last night. do notbama: i would say do that. that is terrible. ideal bring this country together. >> they are harassing latinas, muslims. pres. obama: i am so saddened to hear that and i say stop it. if it helps, i will say this. and i will say it right to the camera. stop it. you and i talked last week about the obligation donald trump has to speak out against the acts of hate carried
out in his name. was what he said last night on 60 minutes enough? mark: nowhere near enough. i know he does not want his transition consumed by play-by-play horrible things, but this has been, he has never been mr. empathy. he has never been a guy who emotes and talks about these kinds of things in a way that i think the country needs right now. we have said it before. it helps the country, i think he needs to talk more about it and some of the specifics and may be, as some people suggested, do symbolic events that would try to send a message. he sees the stuff happening and does not approve. he does not have to be asked about it. he has to be proactive and announcing it. --n: if you go through proactive in denouncing it. john: many of these are horrifying. carriedthem have been out by people who invoked donald trump name as they carry out
these acts. this is an unprecedented thing. we have never seen anything like this in the wake of a presidential election. i think donald trump saying "top it," is nowhere near close to the same as a sanity, the same universe of enough. we need to have the respect of more than people who voted for him and some of those people who are probably troubled about what they are seeing playing out across the country right now. we have got to do more. he ran a divisive and in some cases racist campaign that ofited and fostered a lot the negative feeling playing out across the country. hard position, but he has got to man up and do more or this is going to be an ugly transition to power for him and for the country. and: the campaign is over there is no reason i can think of to not do it. up next, there is now a democrat with an inside track on the dnc chair job. we'll talk about who that is and how he is getting to the top in
mark: soul-searching democrats the future of out their party. bernie sanders is behind minnesota congressman steve housman. became anison official candidate. would ellison, clearly the front runner now, be a good choice? john: i think he would be a good choice for a couple reasons. he is the unity candidate, who can get elizabeth warren, bernie sanders on one side, chuck schumer, harry reid, or a liberal obviously, but not from
the far progressive wing of the party, piling in behind him. the notion of an african-american and muslim as the face of the party at this moment, a stark contrast he would make with donald trump. he is a well spoken guy, smart. i think he would be potentially a really good choice for this job. mark: he brings a lot to it. he is a smart guy, principal, well-liked. , would question, -- principled well-liked. i would question, can he raise money? can he really take on a president and can he be a member of congress and also run the dnc? a lot of people like howard dean saying this should be a full-time chair. i think he is impressive. there is some big russian marks -- question marks. john: those are fair questions. this guy as we have discussed face of potentially the
the democratic party going forward, and there will be no more powerful vision, image, of a black man as the counterpoint to donald trump if things start to go in a nasty racially freighted direction in this and. very powerful direction. mark: he is a very impressive guy. there is a reason people are coalescing around him. john: i want to get to this topic. hillary clinton basically said this weekend to a bunch of donors that she thinks she lost the election because of james comey and his intervention in the campaign about 10 days out from election day. anything that is true? think it definitely played a role and riled up republicans, maybe got some democrats piled up, too. i think they are being weighed two ad hoc and how they are addressing the -- way too ad hoc and how they are adjusting this. there are so many of the things
the campaign did not execute on. what percentage of it is true, i do not know, and i think comey should not have done it, but i think they would be smart to have a more organized response because it they are leaving a bad taste in some people's mouths. john: did james comey play in the end a crucial, decisive maybe roll? yes, possibly. he should not have done what he did. it was an inappropriate thing for the fbi director to do at the time, but hillary clinton, if she showed up with millions fewer votes than barack obama got in 20 all by running against 2012 byate -- in running against a candidate. she did not get the enthusiasm beatablen eminently candidate in donald trump. it has to do with her past, how she handled the e-mails at the very beginning in the year and a
>> talked to earlier in the program about steve bannon, donald trump's pick for chief strategist. joining us now, a guy who is the only reporter you can get steve bannon him and -- steve bannon on the record. josh green. then and knows he is controversial. what is in it for him to take such a big job and become a lightning rod in this administration? josh: benin safeties himself a revolutionary, as you know. he thinks he is -- then in --
bannon thinks of himself as a revolutionary, as you know. he was swept into the white house. i think he views himself as trump's karl rove, so it is only appropriate that now that trump is in the oval office, that bannon will be right there with him, advising him on strategy. mark: is he doing it because he is loyal to trump? is he doing it because it is a fun and interesting job? ish: i strongly suspect it all three of those. if you look at what breitbart news has done over the last few years, they have tried to lead this revolution in the republican party and drive out the old guard and bring in new people like trump and basically succeeded in doing that, so i think that what bannon sees himself in doing is formalized that victory by taking a powerful role in the white house so that he can steer the country and help president trump realize
the vision for a different kind of governing agenda than anything we have seen from republicans and democrats in the past. profileu wrote a long of steve bannon a while ago, maybe a year ago or so. critics ofe things this move are saying is that steve bannon is a racist, and anti-semite, and breitbart is a reflection of those flaws in his character, personality. is he a racist and anti-semite? know, as george bush said of vladimir putin, i cannot look into his soul. maybe i have that backwards. i cannot look into bannon's soul. he is not some knuckle dragging person from the backcountry. he is the chief executive of breitbart news, which publishes articles that are intentionally
inflammatory, racially charged, that certainly propagate a lot of racist and anti-semitic themes and that is far outside the bounds of anything we have seen in mainstream american politics before and i think what that really does is speak to the fact that trump is a presidential candidate, now a president, so i'll far the bounds of anything we have seen before. hard to imagine a guy like trump being elected, but he has been, and the fact that he has been in there now it is not surprising he would surround himself with people like steve bannon. john: he has been appointed along with reince priebus, chief of staff. one thing we know about been in is that he has talked about a desire to exact retribution and undermine paul ryan in the republican establishment. if you are sitting on capitol hill, you are happy about race between us -- reince priebus. i imagine you're pretty nervous. if you look at the balance of
power in the trump campaign, then and i think was more of an architect then reince priebus was when it came to steering trump toward an agenda. the two of them worked well together. bannon has always claimed they had and priebus has claimed that too. he took a subordinate position to trump the moment he became the nominee. my expectation i guess would be that that would continue in the white house at least until trump runs into some kind of trouble and feels of the need to shake things up. josh, what is likely to be the role of breitbart in the trump administration? josh: i think that is an open question, and when you stop and think about it, it is difficult i think for breitbart to navigate the new terrain in washington. happily andways gleefully been outsiders
throwing rocks at the republican and democratic establishment, led by steve bannon, and now the fact that ben and is in the white house with the breitbart candidate and donald trump is going to make it much harder to play that same have a role, especially if trump does what he says he intends to do, and governance in a way that establishment republicans and even democrats. it will be interesting to see whether they wind up playing the same role they have in the past or whether it is some kind of watered-down version of -- you veryreen, thank much. you can read his latest story on our website. we will be right back. ♪
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independent, mary matalin. how do you think at this moment the president-elect is doing? think she is doing great. i think you made a good decision on reince priebus as chief of , it is in the mold of getting the trains to run on time. is right from the heartland and he gets the rust belt and has seen successful policy in wisconsin. steve, i don't know him, but i think he is also a good selection. from what i hear of the rest of the list, let's go make america great again. there is always --
obviously been an outcry about steve bannon. what you think about that as a choice and whether it is unnecessarily provocative? i would agree with mary's appraisal does far. i think steve bannon will have to prove himself. this is not democrats making this up, he is -- he has some former employers making these declarations and accusations. but i think overall i'm disappointed my candidate did not win. i think it behooves the president-elect to make clear he wants to serve all the people. it would be good for him to make clear to the country that things have happened during the campaign are things that happened during the campaign and people should not interpret him as representing that. the people that are practicing
certain things in his name, call on them to stop. there got to prove themselves and i'm willing to give them a chance. as bannonontroversial has been, if john bolton become secretary of state, it will also be controversial. what would be your reaction? my pastor was trying to caution this week that right now we only know what he is against -- donald trump against, not what he is for. this could raise even more concerns about america's position around the globe. i would find it disconcerting. i hope the temperament and tone he put forward in the "60 minutes" interview, i hope you will want to put america first. not just to insert in be interventionist but be smart.
i'm hearing bolton and rudy giuliani a secretary of state. mary, what do you think? think we know a lot about steve bannon's personal history, but we need to focus on his political imperatives and what he is demonstrated in this campaign, which happens to echo the same strategic imperative that bill clinton and keith ellison, the top dog in the dnc race, said were absent from the campaign. that is appealing to the , thenalized rust belt people who been particularly harmed by obama policies and have been dismissed by both parties. that is steve's strategy, anything continues with that strategic imperative, that is good. john bolton has said, if we lost half the u.n., it would not change our geopolitical
strategic imperative. giuliani didrudy for new york. post-9/11n was there when we were facing a new, strategic imperative that still exist today. i think we would be blessed if they joined this administration. to switch gears and ask you both to reflect on fill.ifo -- gwen i she was a fellow, she was a preacher's daughter and she always tried to do right because somebody was always looking. did.lways we will miss her a lot.
harold --nationally harold: she was such a great representative for african-americans. i pray for her family and know that we have lost a great journalist and a great soul. is there anything you have seen, mary, from the president-elect -- is there anything you think he is not handling particularly well and advice you would like to give him? things that would make his life easier? i think the hardest thing for an incoming administration, having been through a number of them, is to keep grounded and don't listen to -- continue to listen to yourself and continue
to hone your discriminating skills because people are coming out you and now everybody loves him. everybody is lining up for jobs. he will be getting a lot of advice from people who were important,onsidered they are now for him. he needs to stay on track and stay where he was, don't be buffeted by the kind of things that a push politicians back the last few decades, it has created this phenomenon in the first place. mary matalin, thank you for being with us. harold ford, you will stick around because we cannot get enough of you. we will talk about some of those of setting talks -- reports of hate crimes. listen to us on the radio. we will be right back. ♪
♪ president obama: i did say to him, as i have said publicly, that because of the nature of the campaigns and the bitterness and ferocity of the campaigns, it is really important to try to send some signals of unity and to reach out to minority groups or women or others that were tenor of theut the campaign. that was more from
president obama's press conference today. hate crimes and incidents of intimidation have been reported on sidewalks, in schools and in churches across the country. this,ith us to talk about former tennessee congressman and strategist harold ford. we will be joined by spokeswoman from the council on american islamic relations. congressman ford, we talked earlier. we've been saying the donald trump needs to say more. what would you like him to say if he called you up? what would be ideal from your point of view? harold: all along the lines of what you guys have said. just saying, look, the campaign is the campaign, anyone who believes the things that were said during the campaign, that i am aligned with people for white power and engaging in violent acts against african americans
and muslims and other minority groups, i am not for that. it was a telephonic campaign in the campaign is over -- a tough spot campaign but the campaign is over. election -- this mean we are going to cozy up to russia, i think the decisions he makes along those lines, it will make clear that the acts of violence and intimidation are not going to represent him, it will make it harder for him to govern. john: how damaging to think this is on the national psyche? and how would you like the president elect to address it? there is a lot of anxiety and concern, especially among minority groups who have been targeted and negatively impacted by this campaign season.
i think we need a leader who can unite our country. someone who can bring together people from both sides of the aisle and address some of the core issues that both sides are grappling with. part of that solution i think is specifically appointing top strategists and advisers who do not have a track record of anti-cementitious, islamophobia, --i-immigrant, and i rhetoric that has been promoted. john: a lot of people on cable television in the last few days are seeing what it been happening and suggested it would be a good idea for donald to do something symbolic like a visit a mosque to try and extend the symbolic all of branch to the muslim american community. do you think that would be helpful, or would that be seen as a token gesture that would do
nothing to alleviate concerns that arose out of how he campaigned? zainab: we know last night mr. trump did tell his supporters to stop the hatred and racism, but words have to be backed up with action. the damage that has been done over the course of the last 18-19 months won't be undone by some soundbites. he needs to take concrete action. i think the message that was sent to particularly immigrants and minorities across the nation i the appointment of mr. bannon, it sends a signal that he is not ready to unite the country, he is not ready to heal some of the wounds that event inflicted of the last 18 months. reaching out to the muslim you -- american community would show
he is making an effort to unite the country and address some of the concerns of the muslim community. this has been an especially difficult time for many americans, especially muslim americans because we have seen an unprecedented level of islamophobia during the past 18 months, and just in the days following the announcement of the election results, we saw the number of hate crimes and attacks, incidents of discrimination bullying, go up tremendously. harold, i want to ask you what you are thinking in the democratic world right now. there is a huge amount of chaos and recrimination. ellis may be the next dnc chair. give us a snapshot of how the democratic party is coping and what the road ahead looks ahead -- looks like for your party. i think people are hurt
and shocked by what happened. i think the actions you see in the streets are not only a reaction to what this young lady stated, the climate, but politically speaking, the clinton family has been such an integral part of this democratic party. bill clinton has been such a supersized and outsized influence, and rightly so. the parties thinking about the future. it is clearly a transition being made. we have to think about a message. we -- donald trump was able to have a message that we focused on the middle class better than our candidate. i think keith ellison is a very good congressman and i hope that as this progress unfolds and others get in the race, i want your the kind of commitment these candidates are going to have not only for the party but
how they will develop the platform and how willing they are to go across the country, especially in the rust belt, to reconnect with voters. i think our party represents the best chance for middle-class america to grow beyond where they sit today. mark: harold, thank you very much. deutsch, thenny brush man from queens joined us after this. ♪
donnie: i think this is the first time i haven't been a guest host. john: you are here because you think he can make the country feel slightly better, people who are freaked out, you have some advice. donnie: here is the cautious optimism despite bannon, which speaks to itself. there are four components this guy has. number one, he is transactional and we all know what he did during the campaign and that is not going to be his formula during his presidency. loved two, he needs to be against the elite class he ran against. he does not want to be booed in new york city. this is what makes this guy
tick. he is also contrary in everyone is expecting him to come forward and in his own way flip the bird. i think a combination of those things to me give a certain amount of hope that we might get a surprise. and his ego, he does not want to go down as richard nixon. he wants to be teddy roosevelt. once again, you have to caveat that because i'm looking at hiring of steve bannon. as my mother would say, this doesn't take a scholar. he needs to walk things back. if he is a leader. if he doesn't, there is no excuse. he needs to come out and say there is no room for hate. i will be a long order candidate against that. if he doesn't do that, that is a very bad sign. you could write that speech, i could write that speech, it needs to happen. if he is dealing with paul
ryan and conservative members of the house and he doesn't want to go as far to the right, how does -- how did things happen then? donny: i don't think he is worried about how anybody reacts in washington. in terms of transactional, how does he gets this -- get this transaction done? it depends on what the situation is. my point when i say transactional, he looks at the goal and asks how to get there. john: if i am a voter concerned about donald trump, you picked a series of personality traits. say, he is also a racist and a xenophobia and a misogynist and a sexual predator ? if i was that voter, why should i not focus on those? donny: number one, we cannot un-vote him.
what he did was despicable. no one was more anti-trump than me. but the reality is now, you cannot protest from day one, you lose your credibility. now, he is making the wrong series of hires. he does not reach out. then you do it. an effectiveou are contrarian is starting out and going here, it is yours, and that is what i'm trying to do, but he has to walk listings act. -- walk those things back. he won from the electoral college point of view. john: i don't think those nanny --s are saying y-poo-poo.
mark: as we have discussed throughout the program, america lost one of its premier political journalists, gwen ifill. she was one of the most influential and powerful reporters in the country and was also a gentle soul. she started out as a newspaper reporter and switched to tv. doing all she did as an african-american woman is one of the truly great achievements and journalism in the past half-century. she did what you did with honor, integrity, grace, humor and compassion. she was a mentor to many political reporters, including to me. she taught me like so many others, by example and twinuction, that the responsibilities of journalism's
are to tell the stories of our time and hold powerful interests accountable. i'm sure she would want all of us to think about how to cover this new president who is not always shown respect for journalists with the first amendment or the public as aggressively as possible. john: or for women. she would've been an indispensable voice and holding donald trump accountable for some of his worst moments as a public figure. two things that stood out for me, i knew before long time. one was that even though she became an iconic television figure, she had the heart and soul of a newspaper reporter. she was never part of the high and mighty. she was never a tv pundit. she was always interested in facts and being a reporter as much as a commentator. identity,ents of her the african-american heritage,
the female heritage, that she was a black woman in a rare place of power for someone with that background, infused her outlook and gave her a unique perspective on politics and life in the nation's capital that made her an important part of how we came to understand our time in politics and beyond. mark: we are missing her already. head to bloombergpolitics.com for more coverage of president obama's press conference today. sayonara. ♪
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