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semi-sober. most things, even the good ones, are ephemeral. we conclude what has been a very memorable, very sleep-deprived, roughly two years of this program, "with all due respect." we have a special show planned with special guests. i the words of taylor swift, am dying to see how this one ends. let's start with news in our final check-in on donald trump's admin building efforts. last night in cincinnati, the retiredt-elect let slip general james mattis as attorney general. atannounced a february forum the white house will include ofhtness of the -- titans the corporate world, which will
include jamie dimon, and my iger. boss, bob this is surprising and impressive. with you make of the corporate giants signing up to help the next president? john: we have been having the discussion in our world of politics and media since trump was elected of normalizing donald trump. candidate inormal a lot of ways, violated a lot of norms and ways of doing things. thats inevitable if he won there would be capitulation on the part of a of people who fought him before. this group, any republicans, some democrats, this is a sign that normalization is not complete. it is abnormal in a lot of ways and should be treated as such. a lot of people in the political world are saying, this is it, he is president-elect.
he will be treated like a normal president. mark: it was not long ago when he talked about certain people that might serve in his candidate and they would tell people quietly i'm not serving in a cabinet. surprised. the recruitment of this group, even just an advisory meeting, and i won't say stunning, but it surprises me a great deal. these names will be in the midst of lettuce -- legislative agenda and a lot of them will endorse the trump agenda. john: here is why am not surprised. i say this with some regret. ideal political positions, ideology for corporate leaders, in the end, it is about the bottom line. for political leaders, it is about power. this guy's going to be
president. a lot of them are like i can sit at a cocktail party and complain about it, but in the end of his policy decisions will affect my bottom line. mark: the president-elect has invited me and i will go. john: even if they are flattered or not, i will not give the middle finger to the guide was setting tax policy. mark: my respect for a lot of people on this list is quite high. the fact they are willing to put their brand the first month of the trump administration is pretty surprising to me. i get everything you are saying. way,l say in some visceral this as much as anything since he has been elected says to me he has a chance to balance the abnormal and the totally different with the conventional. this could not be a more conventional thing for a president elected due to invite this group to the white house. millions ofwill be
americans who continue to believe that donald trump is not their president. america, manys of of those who trashed donald trump are conceding the reality of it and trying to make it the best they can. there is one group not ready to accept a trump presidency and that is the members of hillary clinton's inner circle and campaign. gather intrategists cambridge to hash out a first draft of election history. this start with andrea mitchell welcoming trump and clinton officials in the "spirit of reconciliation." in the end, both sides lost their cool. exhibit one, this writing exchange between kelly and call conway and ane
clinton representative. >> this gives a platform for white supremacist. hillarye proud of clinton's alt-right speech than any other moment on the campaign. she had the courage to stand up. campaignthink iran a that stood up for white supremacists? >> you did. >> do you think you had a message for the white, working-class voters? john: we will have thoughts from joel benenson in just a moment. first, clinton's team has been criticized for seeming not to fully grasp the reasons they came up short. from what you heard at harvard ,n a scale from one to godzilla there he is, how much of the clinton campaign is in denial
about the loss? their public team would be close to godzilla, but it is a three. they don't want to blame each other publicly. behind the scenes, there isn't much -- there is a much greater recognition of what it was. the tone was horrible. i did not like to see what it escalated to. the reality is if you lose a race by that few votes, you can point to 1000 different things. they are pointing to the ones that are the politically safest places to be. i don't think they are wrong, that i don't think they are iving publicly nation. john: i have been to a lot of those harvard events. to was inone i went 1988 when i was a graduate student. bush hadwhen george run a terribly negative campaign and destroyed michael dukakis.
atwater, and they are screaming at each other. there is a campaign like that where one side not only lost surprisingly, like dukakis who thought he had it in the bag, but felt the other side colored way at sign the lines -- way outside the lines. the trump people are spiking the football in an unpleasant way. the clinton people who are emotional and overwrought about it. give them time. emotions are so close to the surface. people need a little more time to get to a proper understanding of what took place. mark: the dukakis people thought that the bush people one in a illegitimate way. in this case, the passion within the clinton campaign saying there were dog whistles,
inappropriate appeals, things well over the line is pretty heartfelt. wei said, over time i think will see it in a more 360 degree way the other factors, including divisions in the campaign. john: here's the thing i don't think will go away. campaign for hillary still thinks they ran a racist campaign. i think they ran on a platform for anti-semitism, white nationalism, and i think they will be right, but they will better understand the things they did wrong than they did today. mark: up next, clinton strategist joel benenson is on set for a final farewell. ♪
won.u guys you won the electoral college. don't act like you have some sort of popular mandate for the message. >> that is how you win the presidency, and we did it. john: that was more from the battle royale at harvard earlier this week. queens who never backs down from a verbal brawl, senior clinton campaign strategist joel benenson.
here is my question that does not argue about the mandate. you are involved of barack obama's campaigns in 2008 and 2012 and that was extraordinarily accurate on what happened on election day. this time you were not close to accurate. what cause you to get it so wrong? joel: it is a tough question. i think it was a bit of a volatile electorate. i think that we saw things consolidating after the third debate. a third-partyght candidate, which was a big difference between the other two elections. one thing that surprised me post-convention, you see third-party candidate start to drift off as you get into september and late september. they were staying between 8%-11%. that is a variable that is hard to account for. we were looking at groups of effect doors, because we ask a two way question first, and there was a point where we are
certain from our data that one of the things that happen was 11 days out, when james comey made his announcement and put the email question back into play. we saw a trump defectors consolidate. it was like a wall went up and they drifted away after that again. that was a big chunk. you can see a clear dividing line by age on who voted third-party, who stayed in the third-party lane and who did not. john: do you believe that comey's second announcement? , did it help trump? joel: any time he spoke at that point helped trump. i think it puts the issue back out there again. he was leveraging it, slamming it against the wall with his tennis racket, playing squash, if you will, with nobody else on the court because of that. did not have you
time to watch me talk about this, i think what he did is one of the most outrageous things in american history. incredibly inappropriate. joel: i agree with that, even though it gets glossed over. mark: although you praised him at the time. you did. joel: we did because you have to realize it is after 15 months. mark: it could have been a mistake to erase him, right? joel: no. we're talking about sg -- fbi procedures and what a prosecutor should or should not say when you do not have a prosecution. momentumappening is stops or leads tighten up and states. we believe by election day we can win this thing. the variable is what happens with third-party voters undecided. at the end of the day, we are looking that across three states, 70,000 votes is what makes the difference between hillary clinton being
president-elect and donald trump being president-elect. days, ite last three was too big of a hill to climb. john: wisconsin was pointed at, a state that she never visited throughout the entire election, and she lost it. zulily, your data operations should have known earlier that this was potentially vulnerable. it seems like malpractice, to lose a battleground state and never send your candidate there. joel: it is easy to say with hindsight that it looks like malpractice. you're making judgments on what data you have and how much time you have left. we went to places like pennsylvania. john: what about places like arizona where it was not even close? you are spending money in
georgia, states that were blowout. joel: the only states we were considering is georgia and arizona. we lost georgia by six points. if you look at that map and say we lose georgia by six points and we don't win wisconsin, you say what is going on here? i look at that and saying what happened here? john: you put a lot of faith of president obama. especially with african-americans. had aen't had -- we have number of people on the show that said president obama saying that if you do not vote for clinton, i will take this personally was a bad idea. the you think that the reliance on obama's two try to help with members of the coalition that obama built was the wrong strategy? joel: it is a close call. yesterday we started the
conversation by talking about strengths and weaknesses. when you have things that are in vantage is, can they become a disadvantage at a certain point? i think that is one of the multitudes of things you can look at. the value of these folks was clear. running against someone who has republicans publicly walking away from him, denouncing him, and we have two highly liked former president, current president, first lady. , it issight looking back something someone is pouring over now and think how do we get here? mark: how are you dealing with what happened? joel: you mean losing? john: losing to donald trump. did. losing as you
joel: i think there's a bigger question about what president-elect trump means going forward for the country. i think there are a number of high bars he will have to clear and demonstrate on a human level -- gratifying races to win our close races no one expects to win. artist want to lose is when everyone expects you to win and you lose close. because everyone will say, what could we have done differently? we can go on over this fourth want you like come but we have to go to the next step. as i said to a lot of people at campaign headquarters, you have to hold your head up. john: when you come back on monday? we are not on the air monday. joel: in that case, i will be
harold ford jr., and from the city of angels, the former director of jeb bush's super pac, mike murray. thank you all for coming. we are doing rapid round on her last program starting with the question, campbell, what was the seminal moment of clinton versus trump? >> i thought the whole campaign was the moment when it became clear to everyone that he was actually going to be the nominee. we were in this fog. i think people in the media, elites, pontificator's never really thought is going to happen. we thought that way through the end of the campaign. very obviously. if there was a seminal moment, it was election night when it's backed -- when it smacked everyone in the face. >> i'm going to choose one i know she would agree with. the "access hollywood" tape.
it was a seminal moment because it launched the clinton campaign into a false sense of complacency. at that moment they thought he is doomed. they delegitimize him the idea of commander and chief and they talked about george and utah and expanding the map and they ignored their base. they lost by 100,000 votes in three states. john: is there any way that it is seminal that it revealed that the current president-elect is a sexual predator? dan: in terms of the impact it had, i think it changed the strategy of one of the campaigns and led to them ignoring others. >> i think there are two, and they are related to each other. we had a much more civil political conference at usc this week. mike murphy and joel benenson
works there and it was a broad agreement that comey had a big impact. i think that did stop the momentum. the clinton campaign bears responsibility for the moment they decided that they were not going to have an economic argument, a comparative economic argument and case that they would prosecute in those rust belt states against the republican nominee. you have to change so few votes to change the outcome of the election. the obama model was there. there was a way to go after his business record, tied to economic policy, change 35,000 votes, and she is president. >> i agree with all of these things. comey thing, there is no doubt. night, andlection your point about the tape. theynk the night performed, i watched that rally
and i don't have trump. i would have be on. it is me and my family. it crystallized for me that he was the champion for the voice of middle-class america and the momentum stopped. you could see when the states are looking at some of the polling data, the movement was not what we wanted on her behalf. mark: like secretary four. double will give you a one. i think the much praised democratic convention in hindsight -- mark: hold on one second. we have to go to break. it is a heartbreak. we will pick up with mike murphy after this. ♪ seeing is believing, and that's why
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now, mike murphy, you were saying seminal moments. go! >> the convention, the hillary clinton convention, much praised. when you look back at it, it shows that clinton messaging was and identity,ooms not a lot on spot welding and lost jobs. trump attacked mccain and nothing happened bad to him. he went up a little. that was an early canary in the coal mine. >> you wanted to fight with -- >> i don't want to fight with him. think it's easy. punching bag.sy when the new york times did the the server,about once that server story came out, that was it. a trustworthiness issue that continued throughout the campaign that was impossible for her to get away from. that comey is easy to sort of blame at the end, but for about a problem
year and a half as a result of her own making. >> i don't think there's any that.about >> i don't disagree with that. that was the original sin. whatf you talk about, effect of the vote at the end, what was seminal in the sense of think it wasact, i first comey, who brought the e-mail issue alive again, and the fact that there was no economic and jobs argument, particularly in those rust belt states. what obama did to romney, as you know, in 2012. that was the model that should been pursued here. >> but she would have gotten out had shele a lot better linehe energy out of the "i can't believe" argument, where they just got into a and dug deeper. they never let the energy out of that thing. agree, it was the comey event that froze the race. but ultimately, she kind of owns problem. >> in this new york studio, we just asked about the most 2016.l moment of this is also, by almost
everyone's standards, an campaign. what is the most appalling, hard moment of the campaign, 2016? that offended me the most was when he questioned the judge out of indiana and that no politician could take an oath of office and be trusted, because every oath given would be predicated on their racial and ethnic makeup, could be fairck to anyone but blacks, muslims to muslims. offended, as someone that served in office and someone that respects people in office. but there were many. write a book on this one. >> you spent a lot of this year appalled. >> i'm seconding harold, because i feel like a lot of the other appalling moments felt like one-offs. poppingt like he was off but like you could put it back in the bottle and, okay. an expression of the idea. >> it was only for his own personal interest. principle behind
it. >> the idea that harold just appalling. was >> it's appalling when you have a -- >> for women, obviously, the tape. first question megan kelly asked at the very first debate gave us a clue as to where we headed. but when that tape came out, it was, you know, like a knife in your stomach. i think for a lot of women, they'll never get over that. thing? i add one other >> yeah. >> every time the media, cable news took one of his rallies early on in the campaign, and the culmination of the media that it became clear that they were going to cover him in the interest of ratings not in the interest of journalism was absolutely appalling. >> so two votes for the judge. one for the "access hollywood." and jeff zucker. okay. names!dn't name that was you. >> but we know what you were talking about. >> look -- >> most appalling? >> look, it started on the very came down thathe
escalators and he said that racist immigrants were and it went on and on, through the kane family. appalling but also fascinating that the clinton campaign became their bright inning object and they were a kind of one-dimensional argument that he was unfit to be president. i happened to agree with that, but i live in los angeles. they needed to make a broader argument. >> so he thinks that it was all appalling, all the way back to 2015 -- >> i just said there were a number of events that occurred his partat campaign on that were pretty appalling. >> mike, give me a most appalling moment in 2016. go. >> i'll lump them together. it was the debates because a shit show.s >> you can't say that on t.v.! >> yes, you can. was appalled. >> you know what's going to happen now? go off the going to air because of you.
[laughter] last --will be the >> you get through two and a half -- a profanity on air. >> how do you fix this? debates.list >> absolutely. i think time to get the circus it.ents out of and put them naked on a rock and see what they know. field day. >> murphy trashing the circus. we love the circus on this show. love all of you. >> and by the way, we love you too. >> yeah. into a little bit of a fuster cluck. goingly, murphy, you're to stay on for a second, because we love you. you were so nice. thrice.you on your infinite wisdom. you're great. we love you. back, another round of regulars. if you happen to be watching us you canngton, d.c., also listen to us on the radio. ♪
>> another round of guests for you. alex wagner, a cbs correspondent. and the media columnist for the new york times. >> hello! cofounderington, the of purple strategies, our partner throughout the cycle, back with us in los angeles. the republican strategist mike murphy still with us. steve, we'll start with you. mosts the one person likely to stand in the way of donald trump's agenda not himself?donald trump should be too easy. >> i actually think, and this
surprise you, i think it's paul ryan and the republicans in congress, who probably are going to stand up to him relatively soon. and so i don't really think it's going to require the democrats i the first instance, because think he's going to have a lot of problems with his own party. the republican establishment is going to prove side on aorn in his number of issues. i also think bernie sanders and they couldarren, prove to be difficult for him. >> who is your nominee to stand down orump and slow him stop him? >> i would say mitch mcconnell and sort of the group of donors who have spent so much money ensuring that american policy pro-chamber of of republicanism. >> i agree if trump wants to start a trade war or something that, then mitch and ryan will be a big obstacles. but somebody is going to
the anti-trump for 2020 politics and i think bernie and elizabeth warren and the democratic caucus and the senate are both going to go for that. >> it's the question about who has the greatest hope of being focal point of the democratic party. who do you think the single person is who might emerge? >> well, it's early to guess but areink the big dynamics going to be elizabeth warren and somebody. and the race is going to be, who is gonna be the somebody? that's unclear now. but there's an opportunity. trump is unpopular enough -- ha ha -- understatement of the decade, in the democratic world. they're in california, beating their dream catchers into weapons, they're so mad. going to be the jump ball to get that slot, the anti-trump ball. a lot going to be worth in democratic politics. >> i think it could be -- andously elizabeth warren bernie sanders are going to fight for control of the progressive wing of the party.
lot of there are a democrats who are looking for new leadershipship. i think some of the up-and-coming stars in our quite who haven't gotten as much attention because they've been surrounded by barack obama and the clintons, now going to be able to break out. >> i think new is imperative. i think we should definitely senate.ards the i think the incoming female harris, maggie hassan, very strong. new leaderm to be a sort of generation of democratic leadership. >> number four here. think -- i say harris. but more importantly, maybe someone we're not thinking that party needs new leadership. it's going to have some of the progressives, of sanders, warren, but maybe a new, younger face. >> none of you said a businessperson. head of starbucks stepping down. does anybody think the party's best bet might be to fight back with a democratic businessperson?
be athink there's going to lot of pressure to do that. because economics is going to be message number one. a more conventional model of democrat will be attractive to a wing of the party. but i think ultimately trump's populist message is undenial. deep's going to be a desire from the grassroots party to have a real fighter. also that rare businessman who can play off a populist persona. can't. >> murphy, mark cuban? maybe.know, i think it's interesting to listen to my democratic friends here, because i'm hearing are very strong in the identity politics wing of the democratic party but that's intoly what got them trouble this time. who is the young generational populist? it's a cuban. there aren't any democratic governors left. vacuum they've got. they've got to figure out how to solve it and not go back to the old stuff. >> steve, do you think democrats the to just basically adopt
mcconnell model of no compromise, no work with trump, ont fight, fight, fight everything, or are there places you think democrats should agree with donald trump? think if he comes forward with an infrastructure bill of suggesting,'s democrats should rush to embrace it. toy would be well-advised fight for the people who are middle class, struggling to make it and want an economy that them.for if donald trump is willing to put forward a proposal that helps them do that, they should him and fight him on every single thing than doesn't. >> let's speed through. seminal moment of 2016. moment -- now i'm first? i'd rather be fourth on this one. >> can't always get what you want, dude. >> can i talk about it in the media frame? the seminalens, moment -- there were so many -- trump gave an election night press conference and it was carried live by all
networks and he used it info mercial on his brand of steaks. >> first debate, donald trump was actually winning the debate,g of that first because he took hillary clinton andon the issue of t.p.p., he said nobody believes this is how you're going to govern, message oneves your the economy and on trade. that was the nugget of his argument that i think won him presidency. >> steve? >> so with the wind at his back or headed toward a first second-place finish in new hampshire, marco rubio inexplicably turned into a robot during that debate, which not only cost him his opportunity to take down trump but is probably moment that anybody had a chance to do it. and he was the last guy who could have. and he froze. >> that is a wicked good answer. pretty big moment. all right.
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