tv Charlie Rose Bloomberg January 12, 2017 6:00pm-7:01pm EST
♪ announcer: from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." begin this evening with a look at developments around president-elect donald trump. yesterday thad intelligence officials shared with donald trump and president obama a summary of unsubstantiated claims that russians were collecting information on the president-elect. today, donald trump spoke to the news media for the first time in six months and certainly for the first time since he has been elected. he conceded that russia was
behind the hacking of the democrats during the campaign. >> as far as hacking, i think it was russia but i also think we get hacked by other countries and people. charlie: but he adamantly denied his ties to russia. >> if vladimir putin likes donald trump --guess what? that is called an asset and not a liability. i hope i get along with vladimir putin but there is a good chance i will not. he should not be doing it. much greaterave respect for our country when i am leading it then when other people have fled it. you will see that. russia will respect our country more. charlie: at one point, he got into an argument with jim acosta, a cnn reporter calling him and the organization fake news. >> your organization is terrible. go ahead. quiet.
i am not going to give you a question. you are fake news. charlie: donald trump also said he would not do vest from his vast business owning's. he will turn over the operations and control of those holdings to a trust overseen by his eldest sons. >> my two sons, who are right , are going toeric be running the company. they are going to be running it in a very professional manner. they are not going to discuss it with me. charlie: joining me now, phil rucker of the washington post. and jonathan karl of abc news. just for the record, jonathan, where did this story begin? take me to the beginning of the story to what we saw today. these allegations had been out there for a long time pushed by political opponents of donald
trump but cnn broke the story -- that these allegations had been part of what was presented to donald trump. charlie: the allegations were put together by political opponents in the primary process? >> precisely. did they rely on the intelligence operative from britain? >> they did. --eral news organizations the allegations were not readily confirmable. some were readily disapproval ball. there was a lot of junk -- some were readily disprovable. it was included in an appendix to that intelligence report on the russian hacking. but as i understand it, it was not directly briefed to
president-elect donald trump. oral presentation. it was a two-page summary. quite sanitized. without salacious details. the summary of essentially said that there are unconfirmed allegations that the russians were trying to compile information that could be used to blackmail donald trump. know thate also now donald trump said it did not happen. >> he said it did not happen. charlie: but the investigation continues, or not? omey was: director call asked if this is yesterday and he said he did not discuss ongoing investigations. out another comment by senator king. but i do not get the sense that there is any serious investigation. charlie: is there a consensus as to whether this is true?
jonathan: there is a consensus that a lot of this is absolutely false. ofther there are kernels truth is unknown. charlie: is it over? anything ishink over until it is over in this donald trump heir apparent the problem for him is that it is all online and people are reading it whether it is true or not and i think that is why he was so angry in today's press conference. doingstised buzzfeed for it and said the news organization would suffer the consequences in the future for this action. i think the incoming administration is going to continue to try to fight it but it is out there and people are reading it. stepped buzzfeed forward after publication to say that they discovered something's later to not be true. things later to not be
true. charlie: we are publishing things we know not to be true. >> this is a debate going on in media and journalism. -- buzzfeed'ss argument was that this has been circulating at high levels of government and in the intelligence community and we think it is worth putting it out there and letting readers desire. basically the same philosophy that groups like wikileaks have adopted. rather than editing the information, they will dump it raw on the internet and let people decide. it is a very controversial approach and a lot of journalists disagree with it and you saw donald trump in the press conference today thank the news outlet -- who did not record it. but i also think frankly it was a savvy move i donald trump because he is trying to divide the press corps against each other a little bit because he knows it is easier to take them on if they are bickering amongst
them selves but there are legitimate reasons to debate about whether this was a wise and responsible move by buzzfeed. question isthe real why did the intelligence community decide to put any of this into their report. did they do it because they felt there was perhaps something to it even if a lot of it was demonstrably false? i will tell you right now that the folks in donald trump's inner circle is that the intelligence community did this as a shot at donald trump because donald trump had been so critical about it. because even though it was only a two-page summary that was greatly sanitized, the fact that it was in there and that it leaked that it was in there gave the green light to other news organizations to cover it. how it is not just rumors being circulated by opponents of donald trump that it is something that the intelligence community felt was worthwhile in
including in this appendix. >> donald trump was clearly upset with the intelligence community at the press conference today. he said several times that it was outrageous that this information had been leaked and he accuse them -- the intelligence community of being behind it. this is a strange feud to be having between the president and the intelligence community and it does appear that it will continue. nominee -- heia will have him look closely at what is going on in these institutions. >> he suggested that the that thence and intelligence community was undermining his credibility and spoke about not see germany. that this morning and reiterated it at the news conference. there is bad blood here and it could have severe consequences for national security. -- he did an mccain
five minute interview where he said he got the information off the internet. >> he said the information came to him and he turned it over to the fbi. the fbi took the lead on this. one thing that was -- will be interesting in the opening days of the donald trump presidency is what does donald trump do with director comey? he could fire him. sense thatt the there is a lot of confidence coming out of from -- out of trump tower in comey. firede: if you could be at any minute, it won't matter. overall, the first press conference was a success for donald trump? it was unlikel, any presidential related press conference i have ever seen. it was a free willing,
rollicking affair. we have grown accustomed to presidential press conferences where everyone is seated. he has a list of questions. sometimes, you have a press secretary calling for the reporters. this was donald trump coming out and freewheeling and calling on different news organizations. and following no planned script. it was really something else. he was freewheeling in his answers. >> he loved every minute of it. has not done one since july but i expect him to do a lot of them. has the british intelligence officer or operative been identified? i thought i saw something today. >> the wall street journal
identified the person. aw, it the person works for private security and investigations firm and was by an initially -- initial republican opponents to donald trump during the primary. charlie: the reports coming out before the press conference today said within the intelligence community, he had credibility. >> that is true. and i have spoken to people in the intelligence community have been -- who has been whispering about this stuff for months, well before the election. i don't know if this came originally from him that these allegations have been flying around. was it specifically regarding donald trump and what may have happened vis-a-vis russia or personal behavior? this had to do with russia
compiling compromising information about donald trump and that was all i have ever heard from sources in the intel community. charlie: he also spoke about latimer putin today. saying -- if he likes me, that is good. it is better for as. >> first of all, he acknowledged that the russians were responsible for the hacking. charlie: he said the same about others also. russiahe did acknowledge was behind it. the other conclusion that latimer putin ordered this specifically because he wanted to help you win the election. he did not dispute that. that is when he said what is wrong with vladimir putin liking me. he added something else saying that latimer putin should not have done it and that was a first, i think, the first criticism or admonishment from donald trump about latimer putin. >> he suggested latimer putin would not do it while donald trump was president. charlie: i ask this of the
secretary of state last night. afterre any evidence that the president met with latimer putin and said -- stop this, we know you are doing this. that there has been significant hacking since? ,> i don't think we know of any that is not to say there has not been one. more activity on wikileaks. it may have been collected earlier. >> the initial fear was about booths the actual voting . there is no evidence that that happened. at the very least, i think president obama said he deterred russia in doing that. -- donald trump said the democratic national committee was waiting to be hacked. charlie: they knew they were going to be a attacked. , if theid, look
russians had obtained information about donald trump, me, they would have released a publicly during the campaign and the fact that they did not was a testament to the security apparatus that the republican party has. charlie: one argument that has this may as to why have been intended to hurt hillary clinton is that they had information and they only released the stuff about hillary and never any of the stuff about the republicans. there is no evidence that they would have used materials to hurt donald trump. >> and there has been reporting that people in the intelligence community believed that the rnc was in fact hacked. this remains an open question. >> there were republicans that were hacked. but, you know. ♪
charlie: let us talk about what happens to his business. he basically said i am no longer involved. i am devasting myself. setting up a trust. my sons will run it. willughter and son-in-law be in washington and she will have nothing to do with it. correct? ofone of the credit -- one the incredible moments about
this was that he was offered a justllion deal with dubai the other day and he could have done it. but he decided not to. >> he unintentionally raised a bunch more questions. what was the context of that offer being made? is he taking business deals? or is sitting in meetings that become deal meetings? i would like more reporting about that because that raises serious questions. was a sophisticated presentation today from a lawyer who had been hired by the donald trump organization to oversee this apparatus. she gave a detailed explanation to convince the people that there were no ethical problems remaining. but donald trump is not devasting from the company. he is not selling his ownership of the company. he will only step back and entrust his sons that he is not
fully separating himself. >> they said there would be no new foreign deals while he was president. the domestic deals would go through some sort of review process. and there would be a compliance officer named at the company whose job it is to make sure that there are no conflicts of interest. >> but hired by the company. boils down to "you have to trust me." he has gone through the motions of trying to remove any conflicts of interest and the appearance of it and if you do trust donald trump you can believe in that system that i do not think there has been any system put in place that removes the possibility of conflicts of interest and frankly, even his unusual business holdings, it might be impossible. >> i am not sure what he could have done. a lot of ethics watchdogs are
saying he should sell everything. how do you sell all of that? it would take a long time and the deals would not be completed by the time he was sworn in. if someone had overpaid for something, would that be a bride? there were a lot of -- without the eight bri -- would that be a bribe? >> he submitted some 20 names for the supreme court. it down.rowing getting ready to make a nomination. charlie: what would he do about the wall? >> he wants to build it right away. he would not wait for a deal with mexico to pay for it. he would build it right away and work out a deal later. he talked about a border tax to fund it. it could take a year or a year and a half to get the deal with mexico. which asks the question about
the battle in congress because they would have to provide the funds to do that. charlie: which they have to do. provide funding. ofthe problem is for those us that covered his campaign, at his rallies he always said -- "who is going to pay for the ?all questio " and people always yelled back that it would be mexico. open question as to whether congress would write him a blank check to build the wall. >> he did say it at least once. in october at a rally. he said -- "reimburse." at least he was on record before the election. you would not have gotten that impression from going to rallies before that this would be a layaway plan for the wall but it was interesting that he put a time frame on it -- a year and a
half. charlie: what did he say about obama care? of tom price,s his hhs secretary being sworn in, that the plan would be submitted. that it would be a big, beautiful plan that we would be proud of it. charlie: talking about dismantling obamacare, they have no alternative. >> what he did say was that the repeal and replace would be at the same time, perhaps in the same hour which directly contradicts what republicans in congress are prepared to do which is repealing it by the end of february and then going through a process of replacing parts of it. not one big giant bill that replaces it all. the bits and pieces. over many months. charlie: regarding his nominee for secretary of state.
clearlly, trying to make he would benee, very clear in his -- in terms of his attitude towards russia. >> this is what his team has made in defense of wrecks tillerson. mobil,e was ceo of exxon he had different priorities and he was responsible to the shareholders and now he is responsible to american citizens at large. that is the argument. i know hearings have gone on today. we have heard tough questions from republican senators including marco rubio. i would suggest that he will be confirmed but it has not been a smooth process. charlie: and jeff sessions is also going through hearings. began yesterday. they have been difficult. cory booker testified against him which is an unusual move on
to -- on capitol hill. it looks like he will probably win confirmation but again, it has been a bit -- a difficult and messy process. donald trump singled him out for praise in today's press conference and said he has performed real yeley. brilliantly.med >> i think the sessions has had a pretty good hearing even though he was roughed up by democrats and a lot of protesters. it reminds me a little of the ashcroft confirmation battle. 42 democrats voted against john ashcroft for attorney general at the beginning of the bush administration. and he was a senator. many of his fellow senators came out against them. i think you will ultimately be confirmed but that is the hot button position. charlie: was come his deputyy?
/ ? ashcroft was getting a medical procedure done and the white house was trying to get him to sign off on something. that is why democrats respect him. the president has been giving a series of exit interviews including 60 minutes, george stephanopoulos. he gave his farewell address. it was received well. >> i thought it was interesting in that you saw obama from 2004 and 2008, the optimistic obama, idealistic. there was some of that in this farewell address but this was more obama, the realist who i thought was giving a sense that he believes that american
democracy itself is under assault. trumpcessarily by donald but by the deep political divisions, deep rish -- racial divisions, why a growing trend towards isolationism. and about fake news towards the end. >> absolutely. george stephanopoulos asked him what the one sentence was that historians would use after him being the first african-american president. he thought about it and he said -- he cared deeply about american democracy which seemed kind of like a throwaway line but when you go in and listen to what he said at the farewell address, it is my sense that he really has a belief that there is a fundamental challenge right now to the essence of what this country is all about. in many ways, it was a very foreboding message. charlie: he has touched on this
in interviews. the idea of why the democratic party is in such bad shape in 2017? in, majority in both houses and now the majority is against the democrats. his argument from his own perspective was -- i was too busy governing and i did not pay attention. the decimation of the democratic party extends beyond the federal offices to the statehouses, state governors. and i can tell you that many democrats that i have spoken to did not find his explanation for that all that convincing. they think the real problem was that he simply did not care about it. he did not care about politics. he does not particularly like politics. charlie: back to donald trump. he goes to washington on
inaugural day. what is his presidency going to be like? you have suggested that he loves press conferences and we will see more. he will be unconventional. the donald trump that we saw on the campaign trail is donald trump. he has run said -- the transition like a campaign and he has to shift from campaign mode to a governing mode. >> i do not think there will be a perfect shift and the big question is how will he deal with congress? i don't think he has a full grasp of the legislative process. i know he has zero patients for it. --n he talks about passing repealing obamacare and passing a replacement, i don't think he understands. someone needs to brief him on the separation of powers. >> what will he do when he is
faced with that reality? immediate demand action. he will want to show the american people on television every day that things are getting done. >> when you talk to republicans right now on the hill they will tell you that they are afraid of donald trump's twitter account and his ability to throw a spotlight on someone who is not falling in line or doing what they show. but you have to remember that he -- it is worth remembering that right now, donald trump might never have more political capital than he has right now. that is traditionally the case of presidents as they are coming in as president. i will be interested to see if a year down the line if republicans are still cowering in fear of his twitter. it will be an interesting
question whether he still has the republican party marching in lockstep behind it. >> the big issue may be tax reform. his team and paul ryan are absolutely in lock step and they are in a position that they might be able to do this. charlie: it will be interesting the senior counsel does and what jared kushner does as senior advisor. and what the differences in those roles will be. kellyanne conway is there, senior counsel. as chief of staff and rudy giuliani and chris christie on the outside but always influential. potential fore real computing power centers in the west wing. strategistschief like steve banyan and reince
that jared knowing kushner is probably more powerful than those two. >> the other power center will be donald trump's phone. he works the phone all day long and he will continue to do that in the white house. charlie: before we go and i will close on this -- i interviewed the chief of staff at the white house this week. he told me a story that what happens in the white house is that the president wants to be there with his wife and his two children. then he goes upstairs with a bundle of papers and his own devices and stays up until 3:00 a.m. contrast that to donald trump who seems to get up at 3:00 a.m.
the most of claim to photographers of his time. he has covered such iconic moments at the -- as the arrival of the beatles to the united states come of the funeral of dr. king junior and kennedy's inauguration. he has been one of the sought-after photographers for celebrity portraiture for decades. investigatestary his career. here is a trailer. >> i love harry benson. i think i am probably about a half bump from being in love with harry benson. >> harry is iconic. taking a lot of pictures of icons. init is rare that you know the moment that the moment will be legendary. there is also his range and versatility. he could do it all. >> he is one of the great photojournalists of all time but
yet people think beadles -- beatles. there were many intimate photographs of them. celebrities but they have to be someone he is attracted to. -- fisher allowed him to photograph him four days. -- for days. >> he puts people at ease and you can see that in his work. some great photographers have a camera all the time. if i do not take a photograph, i make a terrible mistake. i photograph what i see. >> the first shot that i saw of the senator lying was his shop. >> no matter your personal
feelings, you realize this is something you have to document. you could argue that he has nothing left to prove that every day he feels like he has something to prove. you love to photograph people who are bigger than life. >> he was a guy who i was trying to beat. -- trying to be. has a special sense of compassion for the people he is photographing. >> he gets the joke about life and he finds that in his subjects so often. could they believed it was james brown doing splits in your yacht? charlie: i'm pleased to have harry benson and the codirector here at the table. congratulations. i am an old man now.
charlie: look at that. look at that. you have been there. the camera was there and you captured the image. >> i would like to go over again and do the same things. charlie: why you? photography was a way out. keep taking a good photograph, eventually you will become heavyweight champion of the world. on ang if you work newspaper, you know right away won the failed or you day. charlie: but is there one secret to one fundamental way that you did it? first in, last out.
yes, photograph of what you see. and what you see should inform. charlie: what is the answer to the question "why harry? he knows how to get into a situation. he knows how to charm the people but underneath that is a manipulation that is really all alarming and arresting. charlie: to get them to relax about the fact that he is around. and there are secrets to it as well. the way he dresses. he got to the second floor of the white house because he was in a suit and all the other photographers looked like estonians -- looked like custodians. he has a handkerchief. he is a seasoned termer. -- a seasoned charmer.
everyone'sn photograph. and that is part of it too. wanted to have a photograph taken with him as he photograph to the beatles. he was an interview subject for a different film we were working on. and he had done a book signing. they thought he would be a great raconteur. a great storyteller. we were rolling camera and after 10 minutes you realize that this man is not just a photographer but an iconic photographer. you look over his shoulder and there are the beatles having a pillow fight. and you are amazed, and i am happy the first interview that we had with him and it up in the movie because he was telling us how he did it. charlie: which is what i am
trying to get him to tell me. us talk about it. >> my dog took a run at him. charlie: what kind of dog you have? >> a dachshund. charlie: here is muhammad ali and the beatles. after we had been on the ed sullivan show in new york, we went -- charlie: with the beatles. >> i had the television on and i heard a guy shouting on television about how he was the greatest. i thought it was a great idea to bring the beatles to meet him. they said it was fine. john lennon those said that he was a big mouth and he is going to get beaten by the other guy, sonny liston.
but he said he did not want to . i took a car back to them and said -- and took them to meet cassius clay put. . he had them lying down and doing this and that. clay completely dwarfed them. after it was over, beatles would not talk to me. john lennon said that he made a full of them. he did not speak to me. i did not care though because the following day i was going to jamaica to photograph ian eyeing, from the golden because the james bond movies.
and then i went back to miami and i covered the fight. charlie: let me see the next one. this is frank sinatra and his then wife, mia farrow. take a look at this. it was at truman capote's famous black and white ball. >> someone shouted to frank upset him. it really they shouted -- "franky batman." and that made him angry. charlie: how many times did you put a graph am -- how may times did you photograph him? >> a few times. he told me he had never let anyone else on the stage. charlie: tell me how you made the film. >> over the course of about three years. at thecally looked
photography and the filing cabinets of the negatives. gigi benson, his wife is the caretaker and curator of everything. she helped guide us along but thousands of images we had to comb through. the line of the film is -- a great photograph can never happen again. it will never take place again. gonet is a glimpse and forever. that is a poem he constantly quotes by robert lewis stevenson. we really zoomed in on that. those photos and the people in them we went after so we spoke to everyone from joe namath, to donald trump to dan rather. charlie: this is one of the theus photos of the boys in fountain in 1956 in glasgow. >> i was just walking through glasgow parks. they had to use outside
fountains because there were no swimming pools yet. i like the picture because it is spontaneous and real. charlie: when you take a photo, do you know it is going to be a great photo or is it only after you get back and see it? >> only when you come back and see it. this is andy warhol and bjerga uncut jager at the factory. bianca jager and at the factory. andy is inpicture, focus and beyond the -- bianca is not.
what was andy like? >> he was very easy to talk to. he would stand in a corner at a party and photograph people. >> he made you mad one time, right? -- hewent and paid in went and painted one of my photographs of gerald ford. and he got more money than i did. charlie: that will make you mad. this is michael jackson at his home. .> he was the prince of pop that is something else. look at that. everything about it. >> that is the secret. legal jackson never let anyone on neverland ranch. harry got there on behalf of
the magazine but he knows how to work michael to get into the job. no one had ever gotten there. charlie: is that in eight charm -- is that innate charm you have? but i could -- >> i could not turn view, charlie. charlie: here is bill and hillary clinton. she had become president, i would have made a lot of money on that. i like it because the lips do not me. -- the lips do not meet. charlie: it is a lot more interesting. >> i like to it just at that moment. to be a is it easier photographer today because of the digital revolution? >> yes, it is. and i love seeing a lot of good pictures.
actually, i think we are in a now.graphy boom right everyone has a camera and they are taking good pictures. charlie: you can take a remarkable photograph with an iphone. you can make a movie. >> we are in a photography boom. >> i tend to disagree. key thing in the film -- great photography is just paying attention. and learning and looking. share and stone said it was -- itefing -- sharon stone said was breathing life. i think people are not paying attention. i think it negates from the fact that we are getting the photography that he got that he learned. charlie: i hate to see people buried in their phones. >> it is awful.
is ronald reagan. >> i did that with tina brown and that picture saved the entity fair. -- saved the vanity fair. pleaded.n charlie: and she called you and said -- go get the reagans. nancy said it was her favorite. charlie: you are something. next is donald trump holding a million dollars in cash. here it is. is when he opened the casino in atlantic city. cage.ace they called the
he said i could go in there and get in million dollars. id i said -- well, donald, have never seen a million dollars in my life. so he goes in and piles it up. charlie: and now donald and melania trump. has is gold. he that is the first lady. charlie: what was the hardest thing for you to make this film? >> going to interview donald trump was interesting. it was before he announced his candidacy. it was in 2014. what was remarkable is that he was willing to talk to someone else about himself -- he was willing to talk to someone about someone other than himself.
he said after the interview, anything for harry. >> it is not politics, believe me. ivakae: there is also trump. lot ofe have been a pretty ladies around washington. and famous. this next one is susan mary allsop. >> she was famous for having parties. reason ofas the putting ivanka trump in there. charlie: look at jackie kennedy in a ski mask. she cannotit because
hide. as soon as you see her eyes. charlie: you know. and the next one is at the kennedy waving do -- and the et kennedy waving you away. hel i had to do it. it was my job. harry because to he continued to shoot. kkklie: next one is a member holding her child. where was the shot? south carolina. beaufort, south carolina. there?: how did you get >> i went with the leader of the
klan, bobby sheldon. he said he would be leaving around 9:00. i think you should leave with me. meaning, it was not safe. charlie: here is the ira. >> i was on maneuvers with them. it seemed all right. it was getting dark. and there was a farm in the distance. a light was going off and on. -- they weresly telling us that a patrol was on. mud as the patrol came past. house, is, in the safe cap heard -- i heard a couple of ira guys talking and they said
-- they were sure a couple of brits had seen them but they did not the -- they did not want to get into a firefight. charlie: jfk in paris. look at the eyes. was this when he went to meet khrushchev indiana? vienna?he en >> yes. it was raining. he was at the arc de triomphe. i liked the idea that jack kennedy was looking at me and kept looking at me until i climbed up on a parapet. charlie: finally, this -- winston churchill at the harris
school in 1960, going back to his alma mater. line in the a new school song which went -- and churchill's name shall win acclaim through each new generation. and that was the last time we went back to his old school. charlie: how old was he then? >> probably the same age i am now. maybe younger than me. about 84 when he died. -- very important to him. >> invaluable. he marriedly says the right person because she let him go on a lot of assignments. said harry would be off on assignment during birthdays and holidays.
he was chasing something extremely singular and something he was determined to do that he is not a renaissance man, just a great photographer with a 60 year career. i hope we captured it in the 90 minutes that we had and i thank you for allowing me to do it. charlie: thank you. thank you, harry. >> thank you for showing my pictures on your show. maybe in 20 minutes, i will come back with more. charlie: thank you for joining us. see you next time. ♪
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