tv Charlie Rose Bloomberg January 23, 2017 6:00pm-7:01pm EST
♪ announcer: from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." donald john trump was sworn in as the 45th president states to date. an estimated 800,000 people gathered at the white house as he took the oath, led by john roberts. trump: i do solemnly swear that i will faithfully execute the office of president of the united states.
and will, to the best of my theity protect and defend constitution of the united states, so help me god. hopede: while some had that he might use the inaugural address as a call for unity, for action. a call trump: we assembled here today are issuing a new decree to be heard in every city and hall of power. from this day forward, a new vision will govern our land. from this day forward, it is going to be only america first. america first.
[laughter] -- [applause] president[laughter] trump every decision americanade to benefit workers and families. we must protect our borders from the ravages of other countries, making our products, stealing our companies, and destroying our jobs. charlie: president trump also vow tohe bold valve to -- eliminate radical islamic terrorism. trump: we will eradicate completely from the face of the earth. [applause] at the bedrock of our politics will be a total allegiance to the united date of america, and
through our loyalty to our country, we will rediscover our loyalty to each other. charlie: in a dramatic turn, president trump described what has happened to this country as "american carnage." outident trump: rusted factories scattered across my like tombstones in our nation. universities, lush with cash, lackinging our students knowledge. and, the crime, gangs, and drugs that has taken so many lives. this american carnage stops right here, and stops right now. charlie: despite this peaceful
transfer of power, which is the hallmark of democracy, america remains, in some ways, a divided country. president trump enters office with less popular support than any president in modern times. with a look ahead, al hunt, mark leibovitz of "the newer times" magazine, and margaret of bloomberg news. margaret. the speech. >> this was certainly a different speech then barack obama gave. the specific, in terms of types of groups that he would call out, domestically, and abroad. president obama's called out to muslims, people of color throughout the world. president trump's speech was focused speech.
it was not focused beyond the shores of the united states, only to suggest that for interests are all out to get us economically. striking. >> i agree, but it was also quiet different from the speech that ronald reagan gave in 1981. is not the optimism that reagan some of thee gave same messages. it was also different from this gave.hat president bush it was a very confrontational speech, as you said. he talked about american carnage. i think america has a lot of problems, i don't know if it is carnage. it was a dark speech, in many ways. it was one that appealed to his days. i don't have any question of that. 39% of thebout american people. >> i would disagree with the
notion that it was not an aspirational heat. through all the bleakness of the rhetoric, there was quiet a bit of promise of ending radical islamic terrorism, ending the carnage, essentially. he is creating a rather high bar for himself. also, it is worth noting that obama had given him a long way to fall. he was elected twice, once the popular vote -- won the popular vote twice, leaving with high approval ratings. i think a lot of people will come back to the aspirational, i can do this, tone of today. charlie: hold him to that standard. >> correct. >> i was struck by how little effort he made to reach out to the voters who did not vote for him. i remember talking to republicans on the night of the election. i remember a lot of them were excited that, in his remarks, he
made a point of reaching out to the rest of the country. you did not hear that in his speech today. i'm puzzled as to why. i think everyone here is kind of in agreement. this was a speech for his base. it sounded a lot of the same populist themes that he had on the campaign trail. it was not a speech for the whole country. charlie: while this might have been, in terms of popular message, something that was started as a campaign strategy, he has come to believe these things. he confidently comes back to it. he never left it. i think that is where he is, in terms of where he thinks the movement is and what he has to do. >> i think maybe. he has listened to his base fare clearly. he is basically terrified of being accused of a sellout. donald has shown
is he likes to impress the person in front of him. it is interesting. even the body language of some of the members of the house and .enate, the obama's we will see how that continues to evolve. he is trying to play two games at once. i think that is a really good point. a couple of things that he has said in the past few weeks. everyone will get health insurance. that is not republican orthodox, that is democrat orthodox. can he deliver that? he has also said that medicare will negotiate drug prices. charlie: he is doing that with his criticism of big pharma. interesting to see how the paul ryan's will respond
to that. on foreign policy, which was barely mentioned, the cloud of russia is hanging over this administration. charlie: he didn't speak of russia at all. speech for ave the second and come back to it. let's talk about what we saw. there were all these people, including hillary clinton. he did not mention her. i assumed he might do that. the sense of-- making a good fight. >> you mentioned reagan and bush's speeches. -- regretome address of obama's speech a years ago. it was a much more political speech then obama himself would
instinct to do. if you are very gracious, bend over backwards, to appraise your opposition, you sort of guarantee yourself like a 5-10% jump. you get a lot of points that way. he seemed very conscious. , 11:30, we were there we started at evan :00. the conversation on cbs, it was about, this is his moment to show an appeal to unity. >> this goes to the question of how he will change at the end of the administration. charlie: he has to ship from campaigning to governing. he did not do that. >> he is resistant. that is why he is that 40% in terms of approval rating. the questions that democrats were asking, four liters were asking, will he stop beating up on the enemies and bring people
together when he takes the oath of office? rhetorically, in terms of the speech, the answer is no. when you look at the relationship between trump and obama, which has been so contentious for so many years, with the birth or controversy, and obama calling him out, obama has made an effort to bring him into the fold. charlie: and, from what i hear, talking a lot on the phone. >> that is what we hear. >> there were a couple of moments, he talked about the ioldiers, detroit, nebraska -- slightly disagree with mr. leibovitz. ronald reagan laid down the gauntlet. he gave credit to carter, mentioned mondale, i believe. he laid out his vision. he did it with an uplifting,
sunny -- sunny is not the word -- optimism, can do. that was lacking today. >> i was on the national mall, watching the speech, surrounded by trump supporters. it was not a sunny speech for everyone listening to that. if you are someone who is a trump supporter, who thinks that the vision of the country, as it is now, that trump has laid out in the campaign, if you agree with that, this speech today probably did give you hope. there were several moments where i would look around, and trump supporters were giddy, practically giggling. charlie: i thought the underling -- underlying, i am serious about this, i promise i will do it. the other thing interesting to me, of the dragons he wants to slay, are the appropriate targets? >> they are his targets.
there were no new dragons that appeared today. these were the old dragon. the biggest dragon he wants to slay is washington, the so-called establishment. charlie: bob gates and other people, think the problem is washington because of gridlock, nothing is happening. >> that is true, but how do you slay -- you cannot slay a system. you have to figure out a way to make the system work for you. >> it is hard to be hyper partisan and beach bipartisan deals. that is the rhetorical conflict appeal. >> washington also is an obstruction. it is a place -- so many presidents have run against washington. everyone has a different definition of what washington is. is it congress?
pastry? we will see what he actually fights for and what the contours of the debate take the shape of. >> obstruction equals winning. that has been the calculation. if it is about winning and losing, about whether you are on my team, or going after you on twitter, it is hard to see how you become -- how you come together on stuff that you need major slate of -- legislative deals for. charlie: he said, my first objective is america. you will have to pay your fair share, and institutions will have to change. >> the thing about populist nationalism is, by definition, it is popular with the domestic voters. it sounds good to the average american listening to it. course, you know, one thing i
was struck by in his speech, he did not just say that america has the right to look out for its own interest first, every country has the right to look out for its own interests first. that of course could be true, but a lot of the global peace and stability he has had has been built around alliances like nato, where countries are willing to look out for each other, in a way that trump does not need as interested in -- granted we have not heard of lot of specific. the way he talks about these things, it seems he does not think it is that important. people are nervous around the world that america will withdraw from the world and just focus on its own interests. what happens on february 19 wendy dictator in north korea enys, i want to go -- wh
security issue in terms of russia and the intercepted assiduous -- messages from russia? a big story.is is not just because my paper put this on the front page today. this is a drip, drip, drip story, and it will keep going. there are three associate of trump, close one -- paul manafort, roger stone, and carter page. there are some intercepted correspondence into russia during the campaign. charlie: none of them are close to him right now. allhere are denials from parties of the story. trump has denied having anything to do with it. charlie: what have they said is intercepted? >> we don't know. >> the question, charlie, is, can you tie anyone associated the trump as intercepting
election question mark that is a criminal act, you can prosecute them for that. i don't think you can improve that the russians are blackmailing trump. before at put putin grand jury. when i read the times story today, i wondered, roger stone, , oren help us, involved paul manafort. in that sense, and this is all reallyantiated, this is the first time a new president is coming to office with at least a little bit of a cloud hanging over him since richard nixon, 1973. charlie: do you see any humility in trump? you are looking at me, like, you
are nuts. he said, it's not me, it's you people. base ofows he needs his disaffected workers and working-class voters across america. he knows that without them, he does not really have -- charlie: heath pearce the -- he pierced the blue wall. >> he did. with the russian investigation, director, a new cia and maybe skeptical about the conclusions from the obama administration, but will not have those from going forward. charlie: in terms of politics, very bright. >> he is not the key. the key here is james comey. james comey is in the catbird
seat, once again. the fbi will conduct the investigation as to whether there was any involvement with the trump associates and the russians. james comey -- people like bernie sanders are calling for james comey. for those who have not been confirmed, is it likely that some will fail ? some questions have been raised. >> you cannot go after them all. democrats have to take the battle. >> i think the trump team would be willing to sacrifice one, is it meant getting the rest of them. i don't know who it would be. there is a lot of organization against betsy devos. >> there was a conversation .bout schumer
trump was signing the names of his cabinet in his signing ceremony, giving out the pens. he said, who once betsy devos? he said, schumer, do you want this one, and he said, not that one. higher profile republicans in the senate the most concerned about tillerson. charlie: they say that is in the hands of marco rubio. >> rubio, mccain. >> democrats, privately, are saying, is not tillerson, who? i think basically they will find a couple of votes. >> of tillerson? >> yes. i think he will be a voice of relative sanity. they don't want rudy giuliani or newt gingrich. i think he will definitely be confirmed. i shouldn't a that. oneink they will zero in on
or two. maybe the labor secretary, conceivably, betsy devos. price, he may have a problem. charlie: let's talk about bill clinton and hillary clinton, who were there. i was on the air at the time. when they went to the luncheon, president trump called out bill clinton and hillary clinton, and said, i have a lot of risk that for them. >> he also walked over and physically shook hillary clinton's hand. that did not happen on the podium. the reports i saw on twitter, he said, "thank you for coming." at least there was a gesture. charlie: cnn did this, a big shotgun mic. >> c-span. yakking not have people
afterwards. they had this boom mic hovering over everyone as they walked out. you heard things like bob dole tell president obama, "you are a good man." and elizabeth dole, "god bless you, sir." ffitz went to hillary clinton, and they were both laughing. this is my favorite part of television, when c-span keeps the mics open. charlie: the interesting thing that comes out of this, by every indication of the speech today, donald trump has not changed. >> i agree with that. isrlie: he is, whether he tweeting, or everything else. cliche.ivot became so
hewas going to pivot one ce won the election, during the debate, all three times. now he has given his inaugural address, he is the president. he is who he is. said, you dance with the girl you brought. >> the one thing of the pivot came right after the election. , he said, we will not prosecute, not going to lock her up. with president obama, the visit to the oval office, that looks fear, something. >> may be world events are the things that will humble him.
certainly, past president have said that. it is not that he cannot change. it's not that on his own volition he will suddenly changed his personality. >> he is a real master of stagecraft. if he did not know it well before being president, he certainly knew it well after -- before doing "the apprentice ," he certainly knew it well after 14 seasons. >> i think he will on positions. not on tone, management, temperament. we are talking on inaugural night. let's remember, tomorrow, there will be a massive demonstration in this town. people coming from all over this country. i don't know how that affects. charlie: how many are they expecting question mark >> i don't know the last estimate. hundreds of thousands. charlie: primarily women?
>> let me tell you one thing. for those people who say, donald trump is not a unified, i teach at the university of pennsylvania and it came out beingday that a bus is the jewishtly from organization and the muslim organization. that is unifying. charlie: he talked about life in rural america, talking about and other issues. will that be looked on by someone who is committed to doing something about life in urban america or will be viewed in some other way? >> i think it depends on who is doing the viewing. there will also be a check midterm. in the end, the judgment on this comes four years from now. no one thinks you can fix urban
problems in three months, or something. that will not be a 100 days issue. by the time midterms are coming up, there will be judgment as to whether his promises are being met. charlie: he has already chosen the next campaign, "keep america great." >> as you said earlier, a lot of the metrics are not nearly as bad as he rhetoric -- the rhetoric. through able to get massive infrastructure bill, it will really help a number of struggling inner cities. wentie: the few times he to urban areas of america, he did talk about that kind of th ing. to make sureing
people have health insurance, and renew cities, spending there. charlie: while enacting tax cuts. >> i think we're still in the still in the rhetoric stage. charlie: they are maybe coming out with one big proposal for date over the next two weeks. >> but infrastructure, rebuilding the wall, medicare, health care. it is interesting to watch how populism within the republican party evolved. the root of populism four years ago was the tea party, debt, the constitution, small government. this is a different flavor of the trump populism that we have. all of these scared republicans four years ago who were saying pennants for enabling the bush
spending bills. will they forget about that and jump on the infrastructure bill for trump? charlie: did he talk about social issues at all. >> i don't think abortion was mentioned at all. charlie: did he talk supreme court appointments? >> no, but he said within the last couple days that he has one ready to go. this is maybe unfair. i don't think social issues turn donald trump on. >> he did not mention abortion during his convention speech. >> he will give a big abortion speech in a week or two. i interject for a minute? i felt one of the most pass -- fascinating pieces i had seen in the last week or two was the piece you did in the atlantic. this is the scary part. we hope it is wrong.
you had the foresight to interview john dean. >> john dean was white house counsel under richard nixon, a key figure in the watergate saga. he told me in the weeks leading up to the election, he was having nightmares about a trump presidency. the reason was, he said, two reasons, one, he sees in trump a lot of the same dangerous characteristics that mix and had. -- that nixon had. the of session with vengeance, the boundless ambition, certain paranoia. but he said he feels the institutions in american life that are meant to keep a presidential power in check have deteriorated since the nixon decade. the partisan nature of congress and even the courts. his argument was, trump be worse in the and in terms of
corruption, but that he will probably get away with it. charlie: worse than nixon in terms of corruption. what kind of corruption? >> he points to his business entanglements and the alleged tied with russia. his argument is, any one of th ese scandals and waiting could blow up on him, and he still doesn't see a scenario where it is so bad he will be forced out of office. it is hard for him to envision in this environment any revelation explosive enough to force a president out of office. charlie: he said a lot of things that were bold, but promised to be bold. do if he wanted to be, not just in foreign policy, but in foreign and domestic policy, a nixon goes to china? >> i watched last night.
you had a fabulous panel and nobody had a great answer to that. maybe smarter people than me will. charlie: let me rephrase. what could donald trump do that iscan uniquely do because he who he is, but would surprise us? >> i would say that some kind of racial reconciliation might be at the top. amateur he will do that. i'm notch -- i am not sure he will do that. his nixon ini'm notch -- i am ne will do that. i am not sure that steve bannon will want him to do that. >> i think he probably thinks china opportunity was with russia, but at this point any outreach to russia is so suspect given all of the noise around the election. charlie: did i hear him clearly say, we are moving to an era of protectionism? >> i don't know if he said that explicitly, but he did say protect. he did not talk about it in the context of trade. but that was his message.
charlie: his message, we will americanell out of corporations, as well as tariffs on foreign corporations, if they do not allow us to play on a level playing field. >> we will wait until that happens in the market is affected deeply and prices go up. it is an abstraction when you are not doing with real-world effect. soon we will be. charlie: after, we all have the same freedoms, we salute the same thing, we share the same sky and the same dreams, he woonce again appealed to his base, to all of those americans, you will never be ignored agian, your voice, your hopes, and your dreams to find our destiny. we will make america great again. >> that is aspirational. >> a lot of chips on a couple of numbers. >> the politics of this are
great. he has shown a willingness to tweet out about the jobs he is sending before he takes office. butreality may be dubious, that will be a recurring theme. look at these jobs staying here because of my leadership. >> we talked a lot about the darkness in the speech, but some of the great speeches had dark elements. fdr said, the only thing we have to fear is fear itself, but he also talked about the money changers and driving them out. ronald reagan said government is that the solution, government is the problem. what was different is that both had much more. it was aspirational, but there was a negativity about that aspiration, as opposed to the optimism some others conveyed. charlie: thank you for coming. it is a pleasure to have each of you here.
viewed his moment. in case you missed the speech, we will now repeat the speech, the same speech we have been talking about. mr. trump: chief justice roberts, president carter, president bush, president clinton, fellow americans, and people of the world, thank you. we, the citizens of america would have joined in a national to rebuild our country and restore its promise for all of our people. together, we will determine the
course of america and the world for many years to come. we will face challenges. we will confront hardships, but we will get the job done. we gather onars, the steps to carry out the orderly and peaceful transfer of power, and we are grateful to president obama and first lady michelle obama for their gracious aid throughout this transition. .hey have been magnificent [applause] however, hasony, very special meeting, because merelywe are not transferring power from one administration to another, or one power to another, but we are
transferring power from washington, d.c. and giving it back to you, the people. for two long, a small group in our nation's capital has reaped the rewards of government while the people have borne the cost. washington flourished, but the people did not share in its wealth. politicians prospered, but the jobs left, and the factories closed. the establishment protected itself, but not the citizens of our country. their victories have not been their triumphs have not been your triumphs. while they celebrated in our nation's capital, there was little to celebrate for
struggling families all across their land. changes, starting right becaused right now, this moment is your moment. it belongs to you. belongs to everyone gathered here today and everyone watching all across america. this is your day, this is your celebration, and this, the united states of america, is your country. what truly matters is not which party controls our government, our government is controlled by the people.
january 20, 2017, will be remembered as the day the people became the rulers of this nation again. forgotten men women of our will be forgotten no longer. everyone is listening now. you came by the tens of millions to become part of an historic movement, the likes of which the world has never seen before. of this movement is a crucial conviction, that a nation exists to serve its citizens. americans want great schools for
their children, safe neighborhoods for their families, and good jobs for themselves. these are just and reasonable demands of righteous people, and a righteous. public. citizens, a different reality exists, mothers and children trapped in poverty in our inner cities. rusted out factory scattered like tombstones across the landscape of our nation. an education system, flush with cash, but which leaves our young and beautiful students deprived of all knowledge. and the crime, and the gangs, and the drugs that have stolen lives, and robbed our country of so much unrealized potential, this american carnage
stops right here, and stops right now. we are one nation, and their pain is our pain. their dreams are our dreams. their success will be our success. we share one heart, one home, and one glorious destiny. the oath of office i take today alln oath of allegiance to americans. haveany decades, we enriched for an industry at the expense of american industry, subsidize the farming of other militaries, while allowing the
said depletion of our military. rs whileng other's borde refusing to defend our own, and spent trillions and trillions of dollars overseas, while america's infrastructure has fallen into disrepair and decay. we have made other countries ri ch, while the wealth, strength, and confidence of our country has dissipated over the horizon. one by one, the factories shuddered and left our shores with not even a thought about the millions of american workers that were left behind. ur middle class has been written f -- ripped
from their homes and redistributed all across the world. that is the past and now we are looking only to the future. we assembled here today are issuing a new decree to be heard in every city, in every foreign capital, in every hall of power. from this day forward, a new vision will govern our land. from this day forward, it will be only america first. america first. every decision on trade, on taxes, on immigration, on foreign affairs, will be made to
benefit american workers and american families. we must protect our borders from the ravages of other countries, making our products, stealing our companies, and destroying our jobs. greattion will lead to prosperity and strength. i will fight for you with every breath in my body, and i will never let you down. america will start winning again, winning like never before. jobs, wering back our will bring back our borders, we will bring back our wealth, and
we will bring back our dreams. we will build new roads, and highways, and bridges, at airports, and tunnels, and railways, all across our wonderful nation. we will get our people off welfare, and back to work, rebuilding our country with american hands and american labor. simple rules, two hire american.d we will seek friendship and goodwill with the neighbors of the world but we do so with the understanding that it is the right of all nations to put
their own interests first. we do not seek to impose our way of life on anyone but rather to let a china as an example. we will shine for everyone to follow. old alliancesrce and form new ones and unite the civilized world against radical islamic terrorism, which we will eradicate completely from the face of the earth. at the bedrock of our politics total allegiance to the united states of america and for loyalty to our country, we will rediscover our loyalty to each other. when you open your heart to patriotism, or is no room for
prejudice. us, how good and pleasant it is when god's people live together in unity. we must speak our minds openly, debate our disagreements openly, but always pursue solidarity. when america is united, america is totally unstoppable. there should be no fear. we are protected and we will always be protected. we will be protected whether great men and women of our military and law enforcement. most importantly, we will be .rotected by god
finally, we must think big and dream even bigger. in america, we understand that a nation's only living as long as it is striving. we will no longer accept politicians who are all talk, no action, constantly complaining, but never doing anything about it. the time for him to talk is over. the hour of action. do not allow anyone to tell you that it cannot be done. no challenge can match the heart, fight, and spirit of
america. fail.l not our country will thrive and prosper again. birth of a new millennium, ready to unlock the mysteries of space, to free the earth from the misery of disease the injuriess to -- energies, industries, and to elegies of tomorrow. when new national pride will will lift ourselves and heal our divisions. to remember the old wisdom our soldiers will never forget, that whether we are black, or brown, or white, all bleed the same red blood of patriots. we all enjoy the same glorious freedoms, and we all enjoy -- we all salute the same great
american flag. born in theild is urban sprawl of detroit, or the windswept plains of nebraska, ,hey look at the same night sky fill their heart with the same dreams and they are confused with the breath of life by the same almighty creator. americans, in every city near and far, small and large, from mountain to mountain, from ocean to ocean, hear these words. again.l never be ignored hopes, and your dreams will define our american