tv Charlie Rose Bloomberg February 9, 2017 10:00pm-11:01pm EST
♪ >> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." jeff: i'm jeff glor of cbs news and we begin this evening with the controversial immigration order. the ninth circuit court of apeals has turned it -- ruling on whether the lower court stay on the executive order will remain as expected. an appeal to the supreme court is likely. joining me from washington is adam lind tech -- liptek. no decision today. do we have a timetable on when to expect it? >> the court said they will try
to roll this week, so friday is a good guess. jeff: what happens when the ruling comes down? >> it depends what they do. they have three choices. they can uphold the travel plan, continue to block it, or they can issue a split decision. whatever happens, the path to the supreme court seems likely. jeff: the white house is saying at least that is is just a ruling on the appeal and not the order. are in the preliminary stage, this is a ruling on whether there should be a state of a temporary restraining order, those are the early part of litigation and courts are looking at whether they should freeze the status quo while the courts decide and could take a long time. whether the travel ban is lawful or not. nonetheless, which way they decide to go on that will have enormous practical applications for lots of people. and it will also either sustain the donald trump administration's general
position or deal them a political blow. jeff: let's take it apart for a moment. the parts of this are, the suspension of the refugee program. and this is the restriction of injury from the seven countries that have been talked about, for 90 days. the syrian refugee program being restricted indefinitely and also other parts, the biometrics that they talk about it what part of this are most of our noble in court?-vulnerable in adam: they anticipate they will lose some of this and they want to say, we can live with letting people back into the country who have already been here, where people here now and want to go visit somebody abroad and come back. but they would like the court to sustain at least that part of the ban applies to those who have never come here yet.
those people generally have fewer constitutional rights than those people in the united states, so that could be a place for the court draws distinction. jeff: what was the genesis of this from your reporting, who did it come from or was it a consensus? adam: i have not been a lot of direct reporting on that, but others reports that it was, it did not go to the normal vetting process, it was thrown together and it was certainly sprung nomination with no notice, which caused the chaos at the airport the couple of weekends ago. jeff: i wonder if you can talk about what things have been like for you, a newsroom perspective in washington right now for the times? adam: i am of course the least of this story, but it is not easy to cover. we have been working, i do not know the lifetime of the network 14 hours a day, trying to keep up with all of the legal actions
and trying to make sense of what the administration is trying to achieve, what different courts have struck down or suspended, different parts of the order. jeff: when the washington decision came in last week, that they provide some clarity, because it applied to the whole country. adam: it was clear in the sense it was the broadest rolling -- ruling. suspended every key part of the executive order and it came on a friday night. so people had to scramble to make sense of that. but the administration promptly started to comply with every part of the judicial order and they did not much like it. and over the weekend they filed in almost immediately appeal to the united states court of appeals for the ninth circuit in san francisco, which is not about looking at this case in a -- which has gone about looking at this case in a methodical
way, asking for briefs, holding on tuesday evening an extraordinary telephone hearing that so many people were listening in on. and now apparently working hard to get the supreme court's a full and reasons decision for the justices to review. jeff: can we talk about the uniqueness of the phone call? adam: i have not seen anything like it. the ninth circuit has been responsive and transparent and has really try to make it easy for the press and public to have access to the important judicial proceeding. so they made it available live stream and telephone hearing, and the judges were scattered in san jose, phoenix and honolulu. though lawyers -- the lawyers were in washington state and washington dc and there was one hour-long, a very lively and active discussion. jeff: and the judge, if he was not famous because of the ruling
he issued, because -- became famous because of twitter, not long after. can you talk a little bit more about the judge and his involvement, if any, as the case moves forward? adam: the judge at the district court issued the broad injunction shutting down the travel order. and he also, maybe this is a west coast phenomenon, televise the hearing. he acted fast in his decision to the frustration of some, did not have a lot of legal reasoning. even as he issued a temporary restraining order, he did not explain which part of the constitution president trump's order had offended. so that is one reason why it would be nice if the ninth circuit would unpack the complicated issues, because they are decent arguments on both sides. jeff: assuming this reaches the supreme court, does the
nomination of a new justice at all play any role in how this case plays out? adam: in the short term, no. i would imagine this logo to the supreme court on an emergency application and the court typically ask on those things within a matter of days. the current nominee judge neil if it goes well for him, maybe will join the court by the end of april and hear those arguments then. but this train would have left the station by then, so i do not imagine that he will play a role. so this brings the possibility of a tie on the court. jeff: and if there is a tie, the original decision from washington stays? adam: whatever the ninth circuit or the appeals court does get upheld without reasoning from the u.s. supreme court. if there is a tie, whatever the appeals court says, goes. jeff: ok.
♪ jeff: i'm jeff glor of cbs news filling in for charlie rose who is off tonight. dev patel is here. his new movie "lion" tells the true story of saroo brierley, a young indian boy who gets separated from his brother at a train station and ends up more than 1000 miles from home. later adopted by an australian couple, he struggles with memories of his birth family 25
years later. and uses google earth to find them. the film has earned six oscar nominations, including best picture and best supporting actor for dev patel. here is a look at the trailer. [laughter] >> let's start with where you are from. >> calcutta. >> which part? >> i'm adopted. i'm not really from anywhere. ♪ >> i'm starting to remember. >> beautiful boy. >> we are proud of you son. >> the life i've forgotten. >> you ok? >> i had another family. mother, brother, i can still see their faces. >> what happened? [train whistle] ♪ [yelling]
>> i have to find my way back home. ♪ >> how long were you on the train? >> a couple of days. >> a couple of days. >> it would take a lifetime to search all the stations in india. ♪ >> do you have any idea what it is like? how every day my real brother screams my name? >> i always thought that i could keep this family together. i need you. >> what if you find home and they are not even there? you just keep searching. >> i don't have a choice. >> what does it feel like? >> beautiful. ♪
>> every night i imagine i am walking the streets and i know every single step of the way. ♪ >> and i whisper in her ear, i'm here. ♪ jeff: we are so happy to have dev patel at this table for the first time. dev: yeah. thank you. jeff: welcome. dev: thank you. thank you for having me. jeff: we were just talking about how many times you have seen the trailer. [laughter] a true story never gets old, does it? dev: it is -- i mean i am so happy to be promoting this film. and so i feel very privileged right now. jeff: when did this movie and story first come to you? dev: god, i do not remember the exact specifics. sent aistened -- i was
news article by one of my agents and i read it and i was completely enthralled by this young man's journey. and you know, the resilience that he showed as a young boy on the streets of india and then being plucked out of that and plopped into this community in tasmania. and having such a vivid memory, to be able to kind of try and find his mother from space using this app, google earth, that was mind-boggling. and i straightaway called and i said, i have got to get in the room with the filmmakers. this is something that is really appealing to my soul and ended up knocking on the writer and director's door as they were developing the script. they had not even begun putting pen to page and i was there trying to pitch myself for the role. jeff: so this is garth davis, the director by the way, this is his first feature film. dev: first feature film. he did some for television. he did "top of the lake" and he has conquered the world of advertising in australia.
jeff: and he at first did not think that you were right for the role? dev: yes. that is no secret. he did not want the guy from "marigold hotel." is what i was told. and that only made me more excited, because i did not want to be just known for "marigold hotel." i am 26 years old and i felt like i had so much more to offer that i had never found roles that allowed me to really spread my wings and i was told to get into the back of the line and send a tape, which i did from los angeles. he watched it and there is that awkward couple of moments where -- months where you do not hear anything and i bumped into the screenwriter at whole foods, just by chance, and i asked, how did it go, i am dying to know. and he was like, it was beautiful work and you have got my vote. and then it came, i came to london to do a film with jeremy irons and that is when i got into the room with garth and we
had a proper sig sauer screen -- six hour screen test. jeff: it is easy to get pigeonholed, right? dev: yes. i mean, it is easy in a way because the kind of pond i am fishing from is a lot smaller. so, to try to show a diverse sity within that, versatility is the word actually, is difficult. and also, to pick roles that resonate with big audiences has been at the back of my mind also. and i feel very proud of what i've done. i do not think you can compare "slum dog" to "marigold hotel." jeff: you did newsroom, slum dog, whatever else, i find it interesting you are called the guy from marigold. dev: i guess he was looking for something that was in terms of performance, a lot more raw, more exposed and simple.
and we had not -- i did a film just before this called "the man that knew infinity" about a very famous indian mathematician and that was kind of the appetizer to this journey. it had not hit theaters yet, so there is nothing, apart from slum dog where i was a skinny, tiny child that showed me as a man. and that was part of the discussion when i got the role, we will need you to change your voice and put on some weight, grow out your hair, i need you to look like an aussie. so that is what the next eight months were about. jeff: preparation was eight months? dev: yes, going to the gym, getting the accent down. that was a long time. and they shot sunny first. you lead with his beautiful young boy. jeff: extraordinary performance. dev: yes. and he has the confidence of 10 men and his eyes are windows to his soul.
he is a beautiful young boy and i got to go to india for three weeks and watch him perform with the indian mother and the older brother. garthat was important for and me, because a lot of my performance is about nostalgia and it is about remembering the past that was so long suppressed in this young man. and watching them do the scenes, i got to take those mental images as my own memories and then i went to shoot my first scene, which was the climax of the film. jeff: really? did they split in terms of shooting, they shot the young boy first, almost entirely, then you? they shot the entire indian portion first and then we flew to australia and he has
some scenes with nicole kidman, then i began my journey. jeff: and the thing about sunny's performance, he is yelling at times, but it is almost all in the face. dev: is in the face. and to think he has never been in front of a camera before is astonishing. but it was interesting to watch him grow, because he came, the beginning of the film, not knowing what marks were for boom -- or boom mics. it was a lot. and the physical pressure of performing for nearly over eight hours a day and be present, that is difficult for a young child. but i would watch him grow and understand and grasp such complex emotions. he would walk away and get into his head space. and garth was great, because they do not share the same language. so he would use sign language to communicate with him. jeff: really? you stay in touch with sunny?
dev: yes. we were in los angeles yesterday and we're doing the press tour together. jeff: he has a future. dev: yes. jeff: you describe this as a role of a lifetime and this is a kind of career defining stuff, not that you are done. it is surprising to hear that he did not think you are right for it to begin with, because when you see it, it is like who else would have worked? dev: it is one of those things where you become an obvious choice and it can scare filmmakers away, because there are very few actors of asian origin, being portrayed on the screen, and so they were thinking, he is the obvious guy. we need somebody new. and so i had to throw my hat in the ring and show why i get some of the work. jeff: what is saroo like? dev: i was not able to meet him when i first started. and then we got to hobart and we were filming minutes away from his home. i actually met his parents first
and they took me around the home, showing me that tasmania t-shirt and all of these pictures of him and his brother. and all of them were so open to us coming in, this hollywood film production coming up to the tiny shores of tasmania. and then there was that moment i got to meet him and it sounds like a cliche, but it is the god's honest truth, i felt like i had known him. like i had done a pilgrimage as him, i met the woman that showed him the picture of what could be his life in australia, these two people, sue and john, i did it all. when i met him, the conversation was pregnant, it was already -- just talking about complex stuff and i just wanted to know, a lot of my performances, it is a very still space. a man in front of a laptop
trying to grapple with his past and with each click of the mouse he is getting one step closer to reunification and his destiny and i wanted to know how that felt. how plausible it was in his head, did he think he could find her. and he spoke about estoril travel, which i never heard of before and i was like, how did you remember? you are looking at blurry pictures and google had just come out then. jeff: google earth. dev: google earth. sorry. and the technology was still, the refresh and the time it took to refresh the pictures, it took forever. and he goes, my mother, the first thing i did when i got to australia, she put a big map of the world on the wall, and she pointed to india and said, that is where you are from. and every night he went to sleep his heart would start to race and he felt like he was coming out of his body, hovering over
india and all of a sudden he would materialize there with his mother and brother and he would whisper in her ear, i with you, with you, i am here and everything will be ok. and he would wake up as if he had run a marathon and he said , he did that from a child to adult and then this app came out mirroredred -- everything he was doing in his brain. he would hover above the map and then zoom in. that blew my mind. that is how he could retain those memories so vividly, he was there. jeff: i feel like there are three main actors in the movie. it is you and sunny and google earth. it plays such a big role in him finding his home. and so saroo struggles with depression in the film. and i wonder from your conversations with him, does he still, what a life -- does he
deal with other issues today? dev: he does. it is hard without -- i guess i should say spoiler alert, but the moment he reunited with his is from his own mouth, he said it was the day he had learned his hero had died, it was his older brother. and he is still coming to terms with that, because on the train tracks they were together and he does not, there are so many complexities to that and the guilt. so, he is, as a family they are growing, but they are growing together and that is beautiful. and it is a delicate situation. but he did battle with guilt for a very long time. the idea he is living this wonderful, privileged life back in australia, and then in india, there is his mother and brother, they could have been trolling the tracks every day looking for
him. jeff: has his relationship with his brother, his brother in australia we should mention, he and his adoptive parents also adopted mantosh after him, that was a conflicted relationship in the film, very much so. has that relationship changed since he found -- dev: it was interesting. we had a big barbecue, with the on-screen family and the real family and i got a say it was a beautiful moment and you see that there is a real connect with the two brothers. they really do love each other. and sue is this force, the mother, this kind of umbrella over the two of them that will fiercely protect these boys through thick and thin, you can see it. and it is exposing to have a story like this out there. and the fact is, and sue is the first person to say this, he is the lucky one.
there are 11 million children on the street of india and not only did he get a second chance at life, but he was able to bridge the gap and find his other mother. he has two beacons of love whereas mantosh was in this horrible, horrible orphanage for a lot longer and he kind of witnessed a harsher brutality. so, he came into the family with more demons to battle and i think, i would not want to talk too much about it, that is personal to him and the family, but they are growing together. jeff: this is one of the more exercisesyou do some to get ready. why did he do that? dev: so many reasons.
performanceeactive in the beginning of the film. the second part is all about in -- the internal struggle where a somethingis realizing and talking about it. so when you are following a character who cannot talk about his feelings, that is a difficult space. he had me visiting orphanages and writing the trains. me and rooney did something when we first met. it was called the monkey exercise. he took away the dialogue from the scene and it was kind of a moment when i was trying to bring it back around to me. but i cannot say anything. i was walking into the room and he was like, i need you to act like a monkey. and i am on all fours and she was doing the same.
and what it brought out was the tactility, because you cannot talk. so to move the hair off of her face, turn her around, that builds a chemistry that i think is hard to manufacture in such a short amount of time. but we felt like we had been together for a long time in a relationship because all of a sudden you are rubbing noses and doing things on camera that otherwise you would be afraid to do. he also had us lie on the floor draw around each other and paint what we saw and other kind of crazy -- he is a spiritually inclined man. jeff: it seems like it. dev: when we were in india, he had us play hide and seek in the forest, that the character walks through at the end and he recorded the sounds of the leaves. and when i was in hobart, googling and looking at the screen and mustering these emotions, he would play the sound of sunny laughing and all of a sudden it transported me
back to a really beautiful space. so these techniques make him a really great actor's director. jeff: i have got to meet this guy. dev: he is incredible. jeff: it sounds like the sort of scale and intuition of an experienced director. i know that he did commercials and other stuff, but this was his first film. dev: it is purely by choice. he was waiting for a story -- he waits for stories that really soul. his home -- his top of the lake did that and this film, when it came about, he was with the 60 minutes crew when soreel was united, brought his australian mother to india to meet his mother. and he was orchestrating that moment and it felt like a natural choice to continue the journey. and you see this technical prowess, to capture these massive canvases, india and
australia, which are so different in texture and color and smell and sound. he really accomplished filmmaking. jeff: next is hotel mumbai. it is in postproduction. it is about the terror attack that took place in mumbai in number of years ago. dev: 2008. materials is different to be sure. what brought you to that? mean, we did a scene at the end of slum dog millionaire where we were standing as an ode to the celebration which is probably what and india, a massive dance among one of the busiest train stations and thousands of commuters going through this train station. andit is victoria terminal
it was a moment of absolute euphoria and these two characters are rejoicing in love. and finished that, did the press tour. coming back into london and i open my girl and i see my parents in front of the tv with tears in their eyes. and these terrorists had walked in, opened their satchels, and opened fire on all of these unsuspecting travelers, families and kids. it was a horrible thing. and when i heard that they were making a film, i wanted to be a part of it, of telling the story and making sure it was told with sensitivity and done right. and it happened the director really, his first choice was me for this role, but it was not quite -- i wanted it to be different. so we spoke about how we could shape this young man.
slum, and hefrom a goes into this hotel. hotels are like an apple, a whole plethora of society coming in. you have a poor man from the slums, and a rich russian billionaire, and he is wearing this uniform. this name bluer label vodka, which you could never afford to do. and you see these terrorists come in and you see what happens to the structure of society and you see what happens to humans in a confined space. and the heroes of the hotel where the staff. there is a scene inside the -- you can they say see it in documentaries, they
were literally running in front of ak-47s with baking sheets on their chests to save these -- it is a beautiful story. i am also executive producing it. jeff: congratulations. dev: fingers crossed. jeff: when does it come out? dev: they are editing now. we will see. jeff: thank you for being here. pleasure meeting you. dev: thank you for having me. ♪
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charlie: "a united kingdom" is the new film from director amma asante. it depicts the true story of seretse khama, the king of botswana, and ruth williams, a white british commoner. they are in an interracial marriage that led to conflict, not only within their own families, but also with the british and south african governments in the 1940's and 1950's. the hollywood reporter called it a rousing love story and a triumphant call to justice. here is a look at the trailer. ♪ >> who is this supposed to be? >> i do not know. they are butchering it. >> i do love jazz, but i never trusted an englishman to play it. >> do you like to dance? ♪ >> they will all hate him on site. >> he is clever and he is black. >> i could not walk away from you knowing i would not see you again. >> well, then see me again. >> are you insane? white, british, and what about your people?
♪ >> my grandfather was a king and i am his heir. i have a responsibility to return home to my people. i will never achieve anything worthwhile if i leave my heart here. >> if you choose to marry the leader of an african nation you will be responsible for the downfall of the british empire in africa. >> you are choosing a life of insults and shame. >> i know what you are asking, what it means. yes, i will marry you. ♪ >> over two decades of preparing kingof the arcane -- our and this is how you face me. >> my home, our home. >> who do you think will accept you? >> you will renounce any right to the throne. >> malnutrition, malaria -- there is so much i need to do. >> we need him more than you. let him go. >> we have misjudged this, haven't we? ♪ >> i am told you no longer wish for me to honor my duty as your king, because of the color of
the wife have chosen. >> this could make your country ungovernable. >> we have concluded you should be exiled for life. >> i have got to do this. >> find your way back to me. find your way back. >> the whole world is watching. >> she is stronger than any of us expected. >> she is a woman in love. ♪ >> i am ready to serve you because i love my people. i love this land. but i love my wife. ♪ charlie: joining me now is director amma asante. and the film's two stars, david oyelowo and rosamund pike. i am pleased to have them here at this table. somebody said to me that he had to convince you to direct.
amma: he did not have to try too hard. but it is true, we go back a long way. david met me when i was four years old. 20 years ago. charlie: and that makes you? work and so we kind of together and we watched each other's careers develop and he came to me a couple of years ago with a book, about a book he had read by susan williams, an incredible book. and with a photo essay of the couple, which was incredible, and a script that existed. and it did not take much to convince me, because this is a powerful story and one that i knew nothing about. charlie: did you know anything about it? rosamund: no. and again, when i read about them and saw the pictures, it
was a heartfelt thing to say yes, because the photos david sent to me had the most extraordinary effect on me. when you look at this couple you could see the above, you could also -- love, you can also see some journey that was yet to be told. and it moved me to tears and i have to pay attention to that feeling. charlie: what was it for you? i did notas shocked know the story. i was so compelled by the story and inspired by their love for each other and the effect of the love going onto have, not just on them, but those around them and the country in particular. loveana is a legacy of the between these two people. charlie: it is a country that lives in a positive way and is connected to the love of these two people.
amma: very much so. charlie: the love of pear-shaped the country -- affair shaped the country. david: it is. they do not recognize race and it is born out of the leadership of the two of them, when seretse khama had to abdicate the throne because of pressure from the united kingdom, and went on to become the first elected president. charlie: tell me about him. david: he is an extraordinary man. what i loved about him when i read about him was the fact that, unlike a lot of the trails of african leaders that we see, this man had a huge capacity for love and a love for his people. so often what you see of african leaders in film or the media is them being corrupt and carry nothing about their people, let alone having the capacity to love. and having lived in africa,
nigeria, myself, i know that there are people like this all across african history that we do not get to see. so i was keen for that to happen. charlie: the capacity for love and leadership. david: exactly. leadership in the best sense. the ability to do that. charlie: asking something larger than yourself. and her? ruth was a very ordinary girl when they met and fell in love. she had a sheltered upbringing in london, although she was also one of those women who had been liberated by her experiences during the second world war. she drove inbs, and blends -- ambulance in the south of england and i think she was the vanguard of that group of women who had survived the war and felt like a future was going to hold new opportunities
for women. i do not think she had dreamt it would be in this direction mother during the course of the film we see quite a sheltered young woman having to take up duties in a public space. charlie: was she resistance because she was worried about him and his destiny? rosamund: there is an interesting seeing -- scene where after their walk through london at night, she tells him that he is a royal person and is in line to roll his -- rule his country. and she of course feels like that is him saying, this could not go further. which would be your understanding as a combat -- commoner in england. id in this case, he said, no, feel like we need to see this
through. charlie: here is a look at him .roposing to ruth am i late?te? -- is something the matter? i have been thinking about my responsibilities back home. is so much i need to do their. -- there. and i know that i will never have achieved anything worthwhile if i leave my heart here. asking for an answer this very second, all i ask is
that you think about it. because, it is a lot to think about. and -- >> i don't need to think about it. i know that i love you. asking,ow what you are what it means. yes, yes. yes, i will marry you. ♪ charlie: tell me about filming that scene. rosamund: i remember us going into the rehearsal for that
seeing. amma: the moment when david gets down on one knee and takes off his hat. and i remember during their postal rosamond tearing up and me myself tearing up, because it is something wonderful and traditional and old fashioned, about the way that he played that. and knowing that the story for me is very much not about how they fall in love, but what happens once they fall in love. so the courtship is a very small part of the film, it is about what happens after they decided to get married. but in the moment of him proposing, it had to be romantic. and we wanted them surrounded by london. i had taken a stroll with my husband on our wedding day on a bridge in paris and i had paris
surrounding me and there was something romantic about it and i thought, how romantic would it be to have him propose to her in front of big ben and surrounded by all of these elements that are quintessentially british, right before he takes her off to his country, which is quintessentially -- charlie: and he wanted him on his knee proposing? amma: exactly. we talked about what is a leader? somebody that rules over his people, or somebody that is in service to his people? there was something about seretse khama that was humble, he had a lot of humility and we wanted to make sure that we wove that through the film. so the idea of this king getting on his knees to this woman that he loves, because he is asking her for a lot. it was not as if she was going to go to africa and live a life
that was completely privileged in a way, it was going to be a life of challenge, not that they knew what they were coming up against, but in a sense that this was a south london woman who had lived within the walls of her hall comforts -- home comforts. and to go to africa at that time was to challenge that and live a beautiful life, but a very different life. and he knew that he was asking her to give up what she knew it and she does very quickly. and i love the moment when she says, i do not need to think about it. you know. charlie: did he leave diaries and letters, or did she? david: what i read was transcripts of speeches he had made. charlie: what did that tell you? david: it told me how passionate he was about this lady. there is a scene where he
addresses his people and even though we boil it down to the one speech, there are transcripts, over four different -- where basically it was their parliament, where he had to appeal, and he appealed in ferocious terms. some of the back and forth between he and his uncle became acrimonious. it was all rooted in a conviction that he said we could not see his life without this moment in it. yet, he was completely dedicated to serving his people. charlie: it is almost like his people and people who had saw in the they had a stake love affair, our characters in the film. david: that is a very tough thing. you you are a filmmaker, are looking for subject matter that will be compelling, full of drama and conflict.
can you imagine what it feels like to be in love. it is not just your parents opposing your marriage, it is countries, literally nations. clashing to get you apart. charlie: what did the exile do for the love affair? rosamund: it was certainly a pressure on a very stable and very strong marriage. nonetheless, i think to withstand it is more than west -- most marriages would be capable of. their life in africa, and then the british government saying they wanted him to return to england. what they really wanted was ruth in england and him to stay in africa. so he said, i think we will give them the exact opposite, you are going to stay here. what he did not bargain for was the fact once he got to london, he was exiled for years. time, one ofhat
the things that drew me to the film was you see the experience of a white woman trying to belong in an african world. and experiencing rejection. but during that time when she sheforced to live alone, was respected because she did not give up, because she persevered and she gave birth to their first born child, a daughter, in a local hospital. she did not sway to the pressures to have the baby in south africa or even somewhere with potentially better medical care. so she earns the respect of the people and i think that saw her through the rest of the marriage and leadership and her life in botswana after his death. he died young. charlie: how old? david: in the 1980's. so she had quite a bit more life
without him. charlie: 28 years. here is a scene when you go back to meet his family. ruth.le, this is >> i am pleased to meet you. >> i must speak with my nephew alone. refreshments are in the house. >> over two decades of preparing you to be arcing -- our king, and this is how you face me? a white woman by your side. you trying to tear us apart? i am his sister. >> he has only so much. >> don't. why would you do this to us?
this is something that makes no sense to you. look at them, they are fighting because of you. >> i mean you no harm. what motherderstand of our nation means? when did they change -- what did this change? was it the end of britain? david: it was the beginning of the end of the colonial regime in africa. botswana was one of the countries in that wave, that attained independence. i am from nigeria myself, it happened for nigeria in 1960. botswana celebrated its independence, the anniversary of the 50th year of independence
last year, so the film has been a big part of the celebration. what you see in the film is an empire trying to hold onto its imperialistic values in the film, and for somebody like seretse khama, having the smarts not only to outsmart great britain, but to become one of the few countries in africa that retained a lot of their own resources. charlie: he did outsmart them. how? david: if they had it their way, they would have been exiled for the rest of their lives. charlie: but he came back as the head of the democratic government. david: and he knew that his people would elect him president. amma: and the rights for their country, they became a rich country. diamonds were discovered and if they belonged to the people, not the british. rosamund: you see them move from
being swayed, moved around a board like chess pieces, to exposing the lies that the british government was telling them at the time. soon after, it was made clear that he was going to roll with his white wife by his side, there was an investigation into his suitability as a leader. and it came back clearly stating that he was a sustainable leader. so, in the end, they exposed to a lot of lying and duplicity on the part of the british government. charlie: you produced in this? david: yes. [indiscernible] [laughter] david: out of necessity, actually. these are tough movies to get made. a film that has africa as part of its narrative, is some that
m that has a-- a fil black male protagonists. and in historical film -- and a historical film as well. after i was introduced to this store, anybody i love working with and witty humor me about listening to this story and who was intoxicated by it, they came on board. and these two ladies were some of the people that join me for the ride. charlie: lucky you. david: very talented people. charlie: thank you. it was a pleasure. the film is "a united kingdom" and it opens in new york and los angeles on friday, february 10. thank you for joining us. see you next time. ♪