tv Charlie Rose Bloomberg March 30, 2017 10:00pm-11:01pm EDT
♪ announcer: from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: we begin this evening brexit from prime minister theresa may, she formally began to withdraw from the european union. we focus on the lisbon treaty and the arduous process of the arduous process of negotiations, she outlined her vision for britain's departure, they would -- indicating the u.k. would seek a hard exit and leave the e.u. single market. the prime minister described it as a historic moment from which there can be no turning back. >> britain is leaving the european union, we are going to make our own decision and our
own a lot. we are going to take control of the things that matter most. we are going to take this opportunity to build a stronger, fairer britain, a country our children and grandchildren are proud to call home. joining me now is david rennie of the economist and the , editor in chief of bloomberg, as well as newsweek and the director of foreign relations. i'm pleased to have all of them on this program. let me begin by quoting william hankey, he called this the most important divorce ever in history. why is it that? >> incredibly complex. you have a two people, incredibly complicated negotiations with trade. a piece pointed out today 250,000 dogs and cats go across the british channel every year. they're going to work out how the pet passports work, that
would take seven months of negotiation. you have trade and surfaces -- services. it is incredibly complicated. the other bid is kind of horribly simple, it is like a divorce. on one side the british are saying please be reasonable, we know we have deserted you and run away but please be reasonable. charlie: what is the difference in hard and soft brexit? initially the british thought they could get a soft brexit which means they could get some relief on immigration, some relief on some of the issues that make the most people uncomfortable. and retain generally sustained access to the single market. over time, theresa may and her colleagues realized it would not work that way. if they are going to step back and not it here to the main freedoms that all other e.u. members adhere to, they will not
have access to the single market. the bottom line is that britain exports almost 50% of its goods and services to the e.u.. when they stand out -- step out of the single-payer market they will take a huge economic hit, they will lose political influence, their voice will not be heard in european councils, a could threaten the unity of the country are the scots and irish , going to stick around? then just the sheer opportunity costs. charlie: will the french stick around with this election? >> that is the $6 million question. europe can and will survive a -- survive britain's exit. i am not sure europe could survive le pen. it will threaten the franco german relationship with the trend in europe come up pushing them to extremism. charlie: what about angela merkel? >> she is important, the leader
of europe and the leader of the free world. what she says in a tone she sets is very important. she will try to be as accommodating and reasonable as possible. years, the clock is ticking, starting today with article 50. two years will take a great deal of negotiation and backward somersaults. ingenuity, late-night sittings. what is going to be the hardest negotiation? >> it will be over how much the tariff will be to reach the european markets. of course europeans sell a lot of goods into britain and industries are complex. you produce in europe you are likely to make it in more than one country, several countries. to extricate yourself from all those nitty-gritty 50 years of involvement, it is just like a
divorce. a divorce that comes very late in life. if you imagine you are in your 60's and trying to fire your childhood sweetheart, it is like that. it is horrible. this,e: there is also president obama was there to represent the point you made. he said, do not do this because you have more europe -- influence in europe and in the councils of europe and then you will independently. the think that is true, view you get from the american side at the moment. economically they love the idea of london as a base. every big american bank, they want to stay in london and have a passport to operate throughout europe. that was the brilliant thing about london. you hear this from diplomats and politicians. it was very convenient for america to have britain as an
interlocutor into europe. mr. trump has not gotten off to a good start with about one. having to restructure the west in the way america likes to have it, that is difficult. all this talk about the special relationship, they failed to interpret what europeans thought in a way americans understood. talk aboutt's security, the sharing of security from intelligence agencies. will this be affected? >> we do not know yet, that is part of what will be under discussion. i am guessing that when it comes to the sharing of intel on terrorism and what is going on in the middle east we have made , a lot of progress during the last two years, sharing information across the atlantic and in europe. i would not be surprised if that is sustained. i worry about number one, the
degree to which britain's exit from the e.u. will change ways americans may not like. it may be less market oriented, it may be less interested in expansion. we americans have to ask, who will replace the brits? will it be the scandinavians? i think it is also the broader question of when you take brexit and put it next to what is happening here it really does put into historical relief the possibility that the last 200 ber period of history could coming to an end. were empires but there was role of law, a role-based international system, civil rights. .hat morphed over world war ii the brits are stepping out, we have in the white house someone roleure he buys into this
-- rules-based system. that is a very serious question, if the architects of the west are having indigestion about the world that they built, who was going to defend this? >> we could look back on this period and there could be an inay question for children 20 years time, and it will be the classic one, did angela merkel use all the power she had in europe's interest or not? she is been the dominant figure in europe. she has managed to keep europe together, that has been a great achievement. she has not been able to necessarily make this into making europe more cohesive. wins in france and has a referendum on the euro, she stands a good chance of winning that. did angela merkel, did she use
that? charlie: in europe? you could argue in terms of the statecraft and keeping difficult things together, she has been better than anyone else. for ability to world politics, white that opposition of any sort both within the european union and in her own country that has been hard to beat. david, pick up what you have heard so far tell me what you agree with. >> i think the americans are wondering why this will affect them. you're going to have this ugly divorce argument involving 28 countries. i think donald trump could be 29th figure at the table. i think the dynamics that theresa may actually came over to washington quickly.
britain as options, they could sign a free-trade deal quickly with donald trump, going against what barack obama said that they would have to wait at the back of the queue. i spoke to an ambassador who said he is struck by how republicans on capitol hill are expecting a quick free-trade deal to be done. it fits donald trump's worldview. it is hard for donald trump to do a free-trade deal with britain because there are terms with europe. the politics could also get very tricky for someone like theresa may because donald trump is very unpopular across a lot of europe. if a britain is seen as a trojan horse and there is a trumpian nationalist movement breaking up the european union and britain wants to align themselves with america, things are going to get very hard. whether he likes it or not,
donald trump will be a player in this argument. >> i think you make a very smart point there. one of the reasons europeans have resented britain, the foundation of the european community back in the steel community in 1948, they suspected britain was a trojan horse. that churchill and roosevelt got onto well together. they were making excuses, they have these anglo-saxon economics, it was a different thing. the europeans practice a different economic season. they suspect therefore already -- all of british prime minister's being too cozy with the american presidents. with good evidence. tony blair was quick to jump into bed with george bush. a little bit of anti-americanism. >> that sense of, get out of
here, we can do without you, we did not want you in our club, anyway. that is quite a strong sentiment. charlie: what happens if there is no agreement after two years? >> then they are gone and play by wto rules. it would be ugly because tariffs would go up, a lot of bankers and other companies would ship out and move to paris, frankfurt, new york. that may be where we end up. it is going to be one hell of a tough negotiation. >> you asked about security. there is another big issue here and i do not want to over exaggerate britain's importance, but america over the years has invested more in things like peace in northern ireland. if you crash out of the european union a hard border has to reappear between northern ireland and ireland. but scotland there are economic , reasons why scotland may choose to stay in the united kingdom.
but the politics have gotten more tempting for scotland to say they want to stay in europe. america may park their nuclear summaries and places in scotland, it is the only place where they can park nuclear submarines. it scotland goes away there is a real crisis about what to do for nuclear deterrence. there are extraordinary risks that cascade out from a hard departure without a deal. charlie: brexiters must lose if they are to succeed. can you unpack that for me? brexiteers have told the public they can have full sovereignty and full control over the court of justice, immigration, and that they will not get any poorer. they can have all of the prosperity they have from trading with a single market.
economists say that has always been untrue, they are going to have to lose, they are going to have to make some concessions want tothey do not become poorer and want to trade and be a dynamic, successful, modern country, they have to make concessions which currently in terms ofying, being subject to european roles. imagine an american pharmaceutical company that makes medicines in the u.k., that happens a lot. we crash out, does that pharmaceutical company want to be subject of british roles and a separate set of european roles? it does not make a lot of sense for an american company to have to agree to those terms. to make this work brexiteers are , going to have to break some of their promises to their own supporters. very quickly, most economists situation, as is a
question of how much britain loses. the other question is whether europe loses a bit or not. we are on that side of the argument. there is another group of people , big in terms of voters. they would say, this is britain's great opportunity to there are two coup groups of people who back exit. there was one group who did not like foreigners, anti-immigrant. there was another group who quite genuinely and honestly thought this is a chance to get free of the brussels bureaucracy. at least one part of their argument which i don't agree with but i think is very clear is that they say look at the european union, it is in trouble, it will only get worse. the counterfactual of what happens to europe is incredibly important. if the european union becomes a success or continues the same may be the british will look
stupid. but if they do not deal with these problems, maybe the british will look slightly clever. i think at the end of the day, like our election here, that referendum was not a careful analysis of the facts. what is that to happen to the economy? what will happen to our influence? it was about emotion and identity. i think that is where david cameron went wrong. he went in with pie charts and said here are exports, stay in. the other is said, turks are coming. a lot like what happened here. are the disaffected, the people who feel they are on the losing side of globalization rising up in the u.s. and britain and trashing the political establishment. now they have to live with it. charlie: thank you. ♪ charlie: alyssa mastromonaco, is
president of a&e networks. she was also obama's deputy chief of staff, she was one of his longest-serving advisors. she was often referred to as one of the most important people in government you have not heard of. she wrote a memoir about her time in government. it is called "who thought this was a good idea?" and other questions you should have answers to when you work at the white house.
it has just reached number 10 on the new york bestsellers list. i am pleased to have her back at this table. tell me why you wrote the book. alyssa: i wrote the book because i think that there is a preponderance of memoirs out from the white house and the government that are very serious and dense and do not necessarily give young people especially a -- young women, a path to government, to see themselves in government. there are not that many. i wanted to write something that made the government and the white house seem accessible. charlie: a place you could go and work and feel good about it. alyssa: and be a normal person, not wonder woman. charlie: you are a wonder woman. alyssa: i was, but i had my share of problems. charlie: how did you meet barack obama? alyssa: i met barack obama in december of 2004. robert gibbs had just worked for him on his senate race. campaign,n the kerry
which had just lost. robert gibbs sent me an aol instant message that said how are you? do you need work? i said i did. then senator obama two weeks later. charlie: what job did you get? alyssa: i was an advisor and i did his schedule and political work he for i went over to become the political director of the political action committee. charlie: how would you define the relationship between the two ? are like big: we brother, not much younger sister. that is what he would say. i am not that much younger. charlie: he also took an interest in your dating life. alyssa: he did. i think he saw how hard we all worked and we were there to support him. he felt really responsible for making sure we had personalized, -- personal lives. he did try to set me up on a date or two.
charlie: do you think he will spend a lot of his life as a writer? alyssa: it seems to me that he deeply enjoyed doing, he invested his time in and did a lot. charlie: but he also had speechwriters. how did that work out? alyssa: there are so many things to be written in a white house. and on a campaign you are doing three events a day. john favreau and cody keenan had -- who were chief speechwriters had a mind meld with him, they could talk with him and know where he wanted to go. he would take it and it would be a back-and-forth partnership. charlie: there was that speech on religion during his campaign. alyssa: the race speech. there were some that were so personal to him. his remarks at newtown at the memorial after the shooting. things like that he felt like he had to do himself. charlie: he said that was the
worst day of his presidency. alyssa: we all would say that was the worst day. charlie: so many young innocent people died. alyssa: it was a tragedy beyond description. country still has not changed on gun control. alyssa: no. it has not. you have to wonder why. charlie: why? i think that the republicans are afraid to stand up to the nra. a lot of what the democrats proposed right after newtown was pretty basic. background checks, closing the loophole in the gun show loophole. seems pretty simple. but i don't know, we are still resistant to it. charlie: give me a sense of being in the white house. when did you go to work? alyssa: in the very beginning you would probably get there around 6:30, 6:45 and have your
-- have your first meeting at 7:30. by the end you would screech into your parking spot by like have your cup of coffee waiting and just go in. charlie: meetings early in the morning. alyssa: meetings early in the morning and meet with the director of reports and have a series of meetings in the afternoon. sometimes we would be traveling with joy is made to schedule more dense. charlie: what did you learn about how to make an institution run? about how to make people believe in the mission? i think that at the very core of our group we deeply believed in barack obama, we were aligned behind why he wanted to be president which was to really help the american people. when we got there i think that he was very true in what he said
it made it easy to get everybody in line to achieve, pass health care, passing health care is a great example. we knew that was important. every single one of us in our own way. i did not have anything to do with policy. but i still supported the passing of health care in my own way with my direct reports. i think that we were just not competitive, really supportive of each other. that made it easy. charlie: there was one thing about the death of your cat that the president was supportive? alyssa: my beloved cat had been with me since i started working with mr. obama. when he passed away, he had been through everything, he had gone to chicago, he was part of the family. sick, when heot ta who took myni
job after i left, her dog had passed away -- i was in the parking lot and we had just had a journalist arrested. had a journalist that had been detained and i thought the number on the phone was the lawyer calling about that but it was really the air force one operators saying they missed me up in the sky and the president wanted to talk to me. having been with the president when he had to make calls like this, you feel bad about that. really, you have to call somebody about their cap and died? i appreciate it, this is awkward for you. said he had just renamed mount mckinley and he saw the pet float over. it sounds so silly but it really made me understand how deeply he felt. charlie: what has the world not seen?
alyssa: maybe they are seeing it more now. but there was a real idea that he was quite aloof and not very emotive. funny,him to be really deeply and the most intellectually curious person. you would think the president knows everything and does not think there is more to learn. but i would say he is the most intellectually curious person i will ever know. charlie: how did he express that? alyssa: he wants to know everything. talking sports to someone, i could be reading a book for young women, he would say, tell me about it. sha would like that book. he loved to learn about science. fair ando the science said do not rush me through the science fair, this is one of my
favorite days of the year. he would have the kids tell them how they made their different projects. it was special. charlie: do you think when he walked in a room he thought he was the smartest man in the room? alyssa: no, i don't think so. i had to think about it. i wanted to really think about meetings in my head. i think sometimes of course he was. but i do not think he walked into meetings with angela merkel and thought, i am smarter than you. he had a good sense of his position. charlie: what did you not do that you wish you had done? alyssa: i wish that in the moment i had appreciated it more. it is so busy, it is so busy every day. charlie: you do not think at the moment that this is wonderful? alyssa: sometimes you do. sometimes you're moving so fast there were times when i met the pope. my last day, it was incredible. how many people get an audience with the pope?
the last day when i left the white house it was like a movie playing in my head. i turned up led zeppelin loudly and drove out the gates onto pennsylvania avenue. you only get to do that once in a while and they let me drive out. i will neverelf, be back here in the same way ever again. i don't know that i would ever work in the white house ever again. charlie: you sometimes said you could imagine getting yourself back in the game. alyssa: i can. i think when secretary clinton was running, i was hopeful that she would win. for some of us, myself especially i was glad to back up , into the shadows and take my bow and say it had been a great run. but with the new administration i think that if someone was 2020, if i could be a real help to them it would be hard for me to say no.
charlie: what do you think of the trump administration? alyssa: you know, one of the things that president obama felt was, there are moments to be partisan and moments when you have to be the public servant and not the politician. so -- the bush administration was so helpful, they could not have been more generous. they prepared us so well for what was coming during our period of transition. when i saw the president come out and say we would support donald trump in a peaceful transition, i said ok, i am in, i will do it. the thing that hurts me so much is that i feel deeply that they have not looked at what we did and evaluated it with clear eyes and thought maybe this is actually pretty good and we should keep it. or maybe we will tweak this a bit. it seems like they are skied shooting everything we did for sports. charlie: like today with
environmental standards. charlie: right, how could you -- alyssa: it breaks your heart, you worked eight years to build something and someone says they are going to tear it down. alyssa: just for the sake of tearing it down. i get politics. there is always a winner come always a loser. i get that. the thing i thought was grotesque for lack of a better word, they wanted to have that vote to repeal the aca on the day of the seven-year anniversary of the president signing it. that is a whole other level of political theater. charlie: you guys worked very hard, that was the single legislative achievement of a years in government. alyssa: millions of people, tens of millions of people were helped by it. to vote on something when you cannot explain how people who have health care will be taking seemed sot just rushed and haphazard
if nothing, people can criticize us anyway they want to. but we were thoughtful. charlie: to understand what this book is about, it is a chronicle of your experiences. but it is also a sense of communication to young people. alyssa: yes, the thing i wanted to show is that public service and politics get so conflated sometimes. you can be a public servant and not be super partisan. you can serve your country, it does not matter who the president is, in so many cases. people, young especially women, to know it was an available option and one they should consider. charlie: who thought this was a good idea? an inside view of government, the white house, presidential power and of all the states that come to you when you occupied
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i would like to do on stage without any effort at all. clark's new album was released earlier this month. it is called live north america 2016. here is gary clark jr. performing the healing right here in our studio. ♪ >> ♪ i got something in motion something you can't see every choir's devotion from those who truly believe this is something you can't touch this is something you feel, yeah , for some people it is too much
and try to make us believe that there is something we can't touch something we'll never feel yeah, yeah when i feel like it's too much this music always reveals this is our healing this music is our healing lord knows we need some healing yeah when this world, this music sets me free god only knows who will save us
♪ charlie: i am pleased to have gary clark jr. at this table for the first time. welcome. gary: thank you, it is a pleasure to be here. charlie: the idea of the chosen one, where did it come from? gary: i am not quite sure. inhink that first popped up a "rolling stone" piece or something like that. i saw that. charlie: they also call you a musical ambassador. you are an ambassador to the blues, for sure. gary: that is something i am a little bitmbrace
more as i am older and understand really what i think my role is, musically. i am trying to do a lot of things. int i have definitely been iots and positions, where have been looked upon or called upon by other artists to carry on a tradition of blues music and music rooted in blues. it has been a little bit overwhelming. at times i try not to pay too much attention to it, to try not to get myself wrapped up with too much pressure. i put enough pressure on myself. i want to be great, considered a great musician. i want to work on myself and understand my strengths and weaknesses without necessarily hearing all of that noise. charlie: what was it about the
blues? blues by a hooked on friend of mine, i have known her since i was eight years old. she had a guitar and lived down the street from me. i can hear her playing. it was her and two other girls in her band. to just be drawn to the music. i got a guitar. she wanted to go to a blues jam for her 15th birthday. she signed us up, we went up there and we were just -- never looked back. wereians on the scene really welcoming and embraced us. they were really willing to share their knowledge of the
blues. a musicit is considered that is somewhat being forgotten in pop culture. i was really excited when these two teenagers showed up. charlie: so much of a rich history right here in america. gary: exactly. once i started to really dive in, i came from austin, texas. stevie ray vaughn, and that was -- and going back into the history of where those guys grew up, listening to t-bone walker. charlie: didn't you turn down a scholarship from the university of texas to go on the road with jimmy vaughn? gary: yes, i was offered a scholarship for music.
i debated it. i had long talks with my parents and grandparents. i just felt that for me, i knew i wanted to be a musician and be involved with it somehow. but i wanted to find my own way, for better or worse, i do not like people telling me what to do. i do not take instruction well. i am a terrible student. i kind of feel like my gut feeling is i know where to go, i am confident. charlie: how did you know you wanted to be a musician? gary: i saw michael jackson on stage when i was five years old in denver. my parents took me to the show it was a complete surprise, i , just fell in love with the energy. charlie: and the dance and the music. gary: we'll is said music in the house. i was the kid right next to the speaker.
♪ >> ♪ don't stop till the break of dawn ♪ forlie: it was not easy you, you had to struggle like everybody else. gary: yes, but i made a choice. i did not do the school thing. parents' t of my house. i did not have much. i said i was going to survive as a musician. i played 4, 5, 6 nights a week. i was playing for tips in smoky blues bars knowing that i wanted to be alongside people that i am a fortunate enough to be alongside of. charlie: and knowing that you were learning and getting better. gary: i wanted that experience and from all the stories and
legends from blues guys, you have to have your 10,000 hours. you have to put in your work to figure out what it means to be on stage and perform live and be part of a unit. everybody can get up and play guitar solos all day long. but to be part of something you have to understand how that works. confidence,build understand what works and what does not. and become more comfortable. if i had not put in those hours with some of those gigs and opportunities, i do not know if i would be able to do this. and feel comfortable. i worked for this. i think it was really important. it was a struggle, i had my lights shut off. charlie: they would come in and say you had not paid your bills? no more water, lights. gary: be in the middle of
recording when that happened. you are my impression more a live guide than a studio musician. gary: yes. charlie: the title of this is gary clark jr. live, america 2016. gary: some of my favorite records, james brown at the apollo. charlie: mine, too. gary: marvin gaye, live in london. charlie: you can feel the audience as much as the performer. gary: right. that is a place for me, on stage. i feel comfortable. charlie: touring is where the money is. gary: touring is it. we stayed touring. charlie: it is true, it really has come to that hasn't it? ,gary: it is an interesting
record business. that is part of why i am so dependent on playing. i feel like people will always want to come and see and hear live music. charlie: how many gigs do you do a year? gary: that is a good question. muche doing maybe, not so this year. i was getting to a point where i could not remember what day it was or where i was. i need to go home for a second. charlie: it is terrible when you say hello sacramento and in fact you're in san francisco. been there done that? gary: there are times i have not said anything because i was not sure. charlie: i have heard some of the best have done that. some names i will not mention.
just do a good night yell. it has been great to be here in your lovely city. tommy what is in your album. start with healing, tell me about that song. song on theg was a record, the story of sonny boy slim. i was in the studio stuck on what to write about and then it just kind of clicked. i was listening to that i had recorded previously, it really was a weight off of me to be able to express myself musically. and i was thinking back to when i was a kid and used to run around. whatever i could have gotten into, i feel like this music put me in the right direction. also, i listen to artists like curtis mayfield and even artists like tupac.
just hearing stories, i grew up a religious person but i have realized that music has been more of a guide to me than anything else in my life. charlie: music has been your religion? gary: yes. it can bring me up, make me think, self reflect. are you happiest when you are on stage performing? gary: i am happiest on stage performing. i am just happy when there is music playing. if there is music somewhere. playing, i love to go out on the town, on the road, check out live bands. charlie: just to see what is happening. gary: i need that. well my baby is gone
more be back no heard my baby is gone more be back no me this morning ♪ke she did the night before ♪ charlie: where do you live? gary: i live just outside austin, texas. charlie: a great place. gary: it is a great place. i moved around a bit, lived in new york a couple bits. it started to get cold and scared me away. charlie: a bit windy.
gary: i was out in california for a little bit. but austen, i love to be home, able to see my family. charlie: where do you think you are going? where is the journey leading? what is the next step? to get better? explore new experiences? people to a variety of music? or all of the above? gary: all of it. i think you express that better than i could. charlie: maybe i should be writing songs. certainly would be better for me to write them than to sing them, i can tell you that. gary: how about we collaborate? charlie: i will write and you will sing. what is the hat? hat: my dad bought me this some years ago.
i remember watching michael jackson wear a hat, and you can inand i remember him singing the jackson five and that purple hat. i thought it was the coolest thing ever, with that afro. von, --t to stevie ray togn, to jimi hendrix, johnny lee hooker, it was just a thing. i never put one on. my dad got me one, i put it on but did not think it was right. i put it on one day and it took me a while, i did not feel comfortable. and then i just stepped out and got a couple of compliments, man, that is a good look on you. and then it did not feel comfortable not to have it? gary: i sleep in mind. charlie: let me remind
everybody, gary clark junior, live in north america 2016. ♪ >> ♪ they get shot waiting on tomorrow trying to fill the hollow you are going to know my name you are going to know my name my life and the city is going to my head my life and the city is going to my head my life and the city is going to my head i don't care at all because you don't care baby girl
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