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collect from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. we begin this evening with a look at terror in london. amen crossing london bridge beard into a crowd of pedestrians. exited thet than vehicle and started stabbing them. dozens more were injured. 12 people have been arrested in connection with the attack. they have subsequently been released. it is the third terror instance since march. they have subsequentlythey namee people.
for more, we turn to the cbs evening news. >> today, londoners were still struggling to take in the cruelty and the madness of saturday's attack. eight minutes after it began, it was over. the three terrorists wearing fake suicide belts shot dead by police. in their way, they left mayhem and a trail of victims maimed in their stabbing spray. keep going. >> other victims were crushed by the attackers man. imagine the shock and the terror of the people walking cross this bridge when they realized the van was hurtling towards them at 50 miles per hour. the driver determined to hurt or kill as many people as he could. fred meyer's had a narrow escape after taking a selfie on the bridge, he walked away and then heard the van mounts the
sidewalk. here is a photo he took afterwards, bodies strewn across the road. >> i think everyone needs to see what is going on and what we're looking at. >> all those who gathered at the vigil know they are probably up against more terrorists is london in their site. theyy the city's muslim, stand determined to face him down. >> i want to send a clear message to the sick and evil extremists who commit these tedious crimes. we will defeat you. you will not win. >> today, the british police named two of the three attackers , they went to the neighborhood in east london. rashid words on -- police were aware of the
young -- other man. this was a naturalized british citizen born in pakistan. he was even seen in this 2016 documentary that focused on homegrown jihad is him. here he is praying to an isis style flag. raided his apartment complex, resting a dozen people. some residents say they recognized him, they knew him by the nickname. >> the kids need to be saved. >> saved from what? >> war. they approached him, asking about a rented moving van. yeah, it wasn't until now that it started sinking in. >> michael says after the
attack, he says the possible significance of a van speeding or from the apartment complex on saturday -- >> is it upsetting? disturbing? troubling? >> yes, it is someone you knew. someone you said hello to. but allard to believe the evidence was there. >> joining from london, grip witty. >> what happened today? we have the two names of the assailants. we know for a fact that these were locals, these are people who live in london. they lived in east london. it is about a half hour journey by other tube or car. is pakistani in origin, the other is arab origin. he was either from morocco or libya. one of the assailants was someone who is known to a security force.
he was known as someone and they never had who was an extremist. here dropped off the authorities radar screen. they concluded that he was not planning an attack. that has become a major issue today with this whole question of police having sewing people who were on their radar screens and yet again, we have an attack carried out by one of the evil who was on the security services radar but had been dropped off. talk to security officials, they also a part of the key to being able to resist these kinds of terror attacks is more intelligence about what is going on. that is putting a huge command on the resources of all security forces. is becoming ais major issue in the british parliamentary campaign. they have an election in three
days time. in thes a brief pause campaign yesterday. everyone declared a truce and said it was time to pay respect to the dead. that didn't last long. you have both sides coming out, jeremy corbyn is the challenger. they are essentially going after each other on the security front. theresa may saying there needs to be less tolerance for extremism. words that are clearly directed at courses. someone who she has called to sympathetic to anti-western militarism. police and authorities in general need to have more power than they do at the moment. she argued that corbyn has blocked government's ability to give those powers. on the other side of the debate you have corbyn saying that theresa may has been a top
official for the past seven years. overseen austerity programs that have resulted in pretty deep cuts for police and security services. the servicesthat need to be funded again, there needs to be money that gets put back into places with security services so they can deal with this very serious threat that seems to be growing in scale and tempo. >> the numbers have been rising in this election. there is now a third party in the campaign at the moment. tweeted the had muslim mayor. said there was police on the streets and telling people not to worry. crazy without is
reading properly. he reentered this. he reentered it today. the reason it is massive is because theresa may has been put into a awkward position. she eventually came out and offended him. the way it has looked is that she has been reluctant to criticize donald trump and that comes on top of the climate change thing or she has been reluctant to criticize trump. -- of those things is it because they like corbyn? are they unhappy with her? >> it goes to that bid to where she soldiers up to the british people and said let's have an election because i want you to back me as a strong woman. yes, i can go to brexit
and delivered the deal. -- deliver the deal. if you get ill over a long. of time, you'll have to spend all of your money and you will have 200,000 pounds left. then the government will step in. you have that and then she went back on that and she didn't look either strong or willful. then there was this thing about not standing up to trump on behalf of the british supporters, that is causing her some degree of difficulty. -- he corbyn has proved looks completely unelectable. >> what about the other 12 people? back to what happened in the attacks. they have arrested or have under questioning 1200 people. what do we know about that? >> we don't know much.
police don't have any additional suspects. bombing,e manchester initially, there was concern that the attacker was part of a much broader network and that he had had a lot of help and and it in this case, from the beginning, they have been very clear in saying that they think the three individuals acted alone. they were concerned that their help from accomplices or someone you may have known more about the attack before it was carried out but they don't have enough to chart people. those people have been released. you can see that the police were carrying out raids. they were going into people's homes and barking in another area of east london and rounding people up. they wanted to be as thorough as possible. >> there seems to be to
to the intelligence community. to follow each one of these all would needry day, it hundreds of thousands of agents to follow them properly every day. they go hot and cold very quickly. people can rapidly go from being someone on the fringe of that to being someone who will lead to lots be taken for that, there has always been one problem. sometimes they get it right and sometimes they get it wrong. the other thing is that before syria, there were people who they thought were radicals and a lot of people left to go to syria. there seems to be a new group of people who are much more dispersed. there, they took flights to turkey. they went in past existing networks. before then, they thought they
knew where people were. >> the question is why is ice is claiming credit for this? if it is that they acted alone. >> i think the isis claim is very suspect. the group came out on sunday and said yes we did this, these were our guys. there was no specificity in that announcement. in the past, when they have turned out to be -- when things have turned out be an isis attack, they have provided some details of the plot that only people in the plot could have known. that wasn't the case in this claim. they even got the date wrong in the attack. isis has been claiming a lot of things. they used to be fairly reliable. they seem to be claiming any kind of attack that is out there. what is fairly clear is that
individuals are likely inspired by isis. that is something that even more than collaboration with isis or direction by isis, i think that is on the minds of british security forces, there are a lot of people out there being inspired by an islamic state. same question rises in america and they look to some of the companies insecurity that they have talked to. they say we have a problem here. same question rises in america and they look>> your art in britain. so much stuff is being hidden from them. you may see a tougher attitude from the british. being able to break into people's iphones, having back channels, theresa may is already an authoritarian figure. i suspect there will be two versions of it.
there will probably be some degree of a public reckoning between that line of privacy that comes up every single time whenever one of these things happens. >> what are we looking for? >> we don't know the name of the third attacker. police are still trying to confirm that name. they haven't released to the name yet, we expect that that will happen sometime later tonight or tomorrow. -- how does this all play politically? that is very uncertain. we have a very small amount of time left before the election. britain goes to the polls and we corbyndays left before and may can make their cases. you have this campaign interrupted now twice, first by the manchester bombing and now by the london attacks. what we really don't know is
what do voters think of all of this? are they taken in by the argument of corbyn? always cuts are a problem, police are saying less officers out on the beat. though they be persuaded by theresa may that it could be too risky for some of my jeremy corbyn at this time when the country is being attacked in you need anto mark authoritarian leader. you need someone with police and security services. >> it seemed so convincing in the first attack when they look very -- when theresa may looked very resolute and together. now she doesn't look so resolute and clear. that would worry me from my point of view. the truth is the coals are all over the place. some post-show one or 2% lead. polls show 1% or 2%
leads. some show 11 or 12. she is a she will have people coming back to her and saying this election campaign was not a success, you should have done better. it is possible that jeremy corbyn -- people expect them to be sacked. >> thank you for much for joining us, i know it is like there. then you for joining us, we look for to seeing you later this week. >> we will be right back, stay with us.
>> six arab nations severed ties with qatar on monday. in a move orchestrated to isolate and pressure qatar. foras been criticized financing terrorism throughout the region. an american military base is overseeing the islamic state. coming soon after president trump's trip to the middle east, a diplomatic rake may build a broad saudi coalition. and bernard from the new york bernard from the
new york times joines me. s me. beentar has always punching above its weight in the region. saudi arabia doesn't want to rivals. influenceeased its and survival skills as a small country that is geographically vulnerable although very wealthy. -- on the one hand, in syria, they are supporting insurgents against the president. they're made an act have -- they have maintained an active back channel to iran. that has been a difficult balance to maintain. victories andt of
complicated relationships in the region and it is seen as an upstart by saudi arabia and its allies. >> all of these nations have cut diplomatic relations, what other things have they done to make it difficult for the qataris? >> what has happened today is that saudi arabia, along with united arab emirates and bahrain and yemen and egypt have declared that they are cutting diplomatic relations with qatar as well as, certainly in the case of saudi and the emirates of bahrain, they are blocking all travel to the country. they are not allowing qatar airways to use their airspace. they are ordering their citizens to return from qatar. done that because he did has 250,000 citizens working in qatar. that is an important economic
line. this action was surprising to qatar. it puts qatar in a position of having to choose between the gulf countries and its other theseons which is partnerships with ironic -- iran. saudi arabia sees it as a domestic threat. >> there is a food shortage developing and qatar because of this. 40 percent of their food. while it is a very wealthy country and can eventually find ways to imported from elsewhere, there is not much of a backlog of supplies and people have been rushing to stores to buy food as well as getting cash from banks. it wills sure how happen or how long it will last. withw much of it has to do
what happened between president trump and the arab gulf states when he visited riyadh. >> we try to figure out the puzzling question of why now. logical answer is that it is related to donald trump's visit to riyadh. i think the message that the saudi's took away from this was that they could deal with things as they liked, whether that was countering iranian influence, countering isis or other movements like the muslim brotherhood that saudi sees as a threat. havef that, saudi seems to said that they can take the gloves off now. trump give a direction of how he wanted things to go. he wasn't going to be bothered about the details. the interesting part about that is that it doesn't seem that the u.s. was very repaired for this either.
either.red for this whether they understood what they were unleashing when they gave saudi arabia the impression the right to act as it wanted. >> the other interesting fact is -- the united states has a military posture. >> that is a key point. that base is the headquarters for the u.s. aerial campaign against islamic states in both iraq and syria. of course, it complicates that alliance and also the question of whether qatar and the other gulf countries can continue to cooperate, regional cooperation against in the threat of isis and other extremists is one of by main priorities outlined
trump for his plans in the region. >> one of the other things that makes this interesting is that it was because of his father that al jazeera was started. toalways became an irritant other gulf states because of what it broadcasted. what impact might it have on al jazeera? >> how much might be demanded of qatar to avert this problem and of her further, more threatening escalation is that they would have to renounce many of their ambitions in the region, as you point out, it includes media influence as well as throwing his money around and supporting different groups. -- azeera has been made major part of qatar's influence. it has really riled the entire region at times. it completely revolutionized the media and allowed a greater in theof freedom
israeli-palestinian conflict. years, critics of algeria -- al jazeera have said it is causing a division in the region in that sense. of course, it also covers domestic and should -- issues and other gulf countries. >> notwithstanding, some are saying that began a series of bashing articles. it suggested that cutter -- qatar had its relationship with president trump. >> there was one particular report that the leader was
talking about the idea that trump might not much longer be in power. the were complaining about increased hostility towards iran. there was average in people on the other side of this divide in the saudi cap. now, we understand that the fbi has determined that that report was fake. qatar said all along. they said they were hacked and these reports were not actually made. we learned that the fbi does not believe that is the case. >> is there a sense among the thise that they will solve ? will some of the finding around russian mark -- will somebody find the middle ground? >> there are really two camps
among the analysts and observers in the region. the ultimate goal is regime change within qatar, either to persuade members of powerful families to side with saudi arabia, others even think it could go farther to direct military intervention and as i mentioned, qatar could be forced to upper that, to give up many aspects of his regional ambitions. then there is another camp that says this has happened before in 20 -- 2013. many of these countries cut diplomatic relations with qatar and that was eventually solved. there is a believe that the u.s. will step in and mediate.
people are asking whether they are prepared for this, at the same time, jordan and kuwait who are also really -- usually allies of saudi arabia have not signed on. they are flying to kuwait tomorrow to discuss the situation. there is another group of analysts that say let's not panic, we will find another way to climb down. >> thank you for joining us, we will be right back. >> patrick colson is here. they are providing a solution for businesses to process and except all my payment. today, its mission is to grow the gdp of the internet. with operations in 25 countries, the company is valued at $2.9 billion. they are making digital payment
easy. upon whiche edifice new forms of congress are made. i am pleased to have patrick at this table. >> that you are having me. how old were you when you dreamed of this idea? patrick: i guess we were both in our 20's. we knew a lot of people who were sort of in the early stages of trying to build technology businesses. this was back in 2008, 2009, 2010. generally speaking, the barrier lower,y has been getting but one thing that had not gotten easier was the basic mechanics of accepting a payment over the internet. you would think it would be
pretty straightforward. you build the product and the service and a whole lot of work is into that. you would think the last step that goes into collecting the money would be easy, but for whatever reason, it was not. it often took weeks to get that part set up. as john and i got to know folks encountering these issues, we were kind of mystified by it, and eventually, we had to do something about it. charlie: in a world in which paypal exists? patrick: paypal focused on the consumer side of things, when peoplen a time did not have a lot of trust in this newfangled internet thing. what they had not focused on was building great infrastructure and tools and enabling new business models. figuring out how to the internet figures out how to make new things possible -- charlie: so there's your opportunity? patrick: exactly. charlie: how difficult was it?
patrick: we first built a basic prototype. the problem we were solving initially was very straightforward. we wanted to be able to come to and to start charging customers from all around the world some revenue, some money. that process at the time took weeks, sometimes even months, and was very restrictive. -- ailt a basic order type basic prototype, and then it took us a young half, two years to lineup the funding and get partnerships in place -- and then it took us a year and a half, two years to lineup the funding and get partnerships in place. a lot of investors initially thought it would be impossible to take on the legacy income is because of the legacy barrier, the partnership barrier, and you
could quite well capitalized and so forth. the first couple of years, it took a wild. stripe, from the outside world standpoint, looks a little bit more like an overnight success than it actually was. >> when you talk about growing gdp on the internet -- patrick: we sort of mean two things by it. first, we are sort of optimistic about the internet and what it makes possible and all the wonderful things that are happening now that it not happening 20 years ago that sort of enriched our lives or to things easier or create opportunities that enabled economic opportunity, global opportunity, and integration and coordination, and in that vein, as part of that trend, we see it as a much longer arc of just increasing trade and coordination. this has been happening for
hundreds of years, and the internet is kind of a new mechanism for it. the second thing we mean, more prosaically, is the internet should be more integrated into our lives. it should not just be the computer in the corner, it should be properly connected. mobile devices are a kind of way by which the internet becomes part of our daily lives. yearsd the internet 15 ago, but as unto itself. inside in the corner. with mobile devices, we keep the internet perpetually with us, and the internet is growing this new kind of economic substrate. when we talk about increasing the gdp of the internet, we mean helping the economic side of the internet reach the potential we think all of us that it had but is sometimes -- is realizing a bit later than people thought. in essence, we want to focus on .nly making money
there are a lot of companies slightly kind of diverging business models. what we really like about ours is not only the main way we make money but essentially the only way we make money as when the business is building up stripe become more successful, that's why we focus on things like helping them expand to new markets or countries. charlie: it is often said in silicon valley want to be among companyt 20 hires of a that is going to be really successful. your first 10 hires you built into a compensation package. people: i think that focus a bit too much on the founders of silicon valley companies. this is kind of the human aspect to it where you need to have some personification of the company. charlie: amazon is bezos.
exactly, you kind of need the shorthand, but it is unfortunate. the enormous edifice of these companies is sort of glossed over. we have always wanted to make sure that at least in terms of the success of the company that it is as broadly shared as possible. the following companies and organizations utilize you. nfl.ook, lyft, the what do you do for the nfl? patrick: generally speaking, what we are seeing more and more -- and this gets to in large part of the story -- we started out serving early stage technology companies and developers, people like us in some sense, people starting out, and what happened over the ensuing couple of years --
stripe has been around for six or seven years now -- the companies that were not 10 years ago technology companies are realizing how integral technology is to their future success, so there challenges today are how they learn the language of technology companies. what we are seeing is these companies that were around long before the internet like the nfl, that they are realizing the possibilities of mobile and social technology and addressing islobal market mentality imperative for them. charlie: strike cost success at at makings success digital payments is only the edifice upon which new foundations are built. explain that. it does meet up with what you said is part of your ambition. >> the internet is not just sort of things that were previously
happening the things that were the possible only because internet exists, right? you mentioned lyft. enabling coordination between people with cars and people who want the internet exists, right? you the kind of income that .ccasional driving enables that cannot exist without this filigree of coordination that the internet makes possible. when we talk about these new kinds of commerce, we're talking about those market spaces, that kind of coordination, or virtual businesses, subscription businesses that could not exist before the internet. here in new york, there is -- is either a kickstarter or square space or businesses like this -- each in their own way, they are fundamentally enabled by the internet, but there can be no square space without it. charlie: let's talk about technology in general and where it is going.
tell us how you see machine learning. patrick: for the entire history of the technology industry and as long as computers have then around, people have been interested in the statistical learning and decision-making that computers make possible. even before the internet existed, people were hosting ai summit and meetings and so on. us to makected faster progress than we actually have. the technology changes, but machine learning is the term we give today to the thing we have always been interested in -- technology and how does it augment us? make bettermake us decisions? computers, too, in terms of aggregateity to enormous amounts of data, how does it make possible things that were not previously possible? it has been a trend as long as
computers have been around. charlie: and everywhere, you see ai coming? patrick: i think it is not yet the case, but ai means something different in terms of what is actually happening in the world and machine learning. that could come to pass in the future, but right now, it merely incentive. charlie: what excites you in terms of the way it will enhance our ability to maximize our living? patrick: i think marty feldstein had the line with regard to policy that he does not need to know what the optimal policy is or would be but merely in which direction policy should go. i definitely do not pretend to know where the future ends up. i think the best we can do with
the best we can hope to know is it is headed in. the things that excite me are the ways in which the internet makes true global opportunity possible, and i think we sort of restricted on a geographic basis the kind of opportunities that you or i have had -- how that is so statistically, enormously unusual for most people in the world. the mission of going and solving that is still an enormous challenge and very quickly, the second one is i think so much the story of human civilization is a progress of science and technology and i hope we can accelerate that as much as we can. charlie: what percentage of people have access to the internet? patrick: it depends on what kind of internet. if they have access to smartphones, to broadband and so it is roughlyk
half the worlds population. charlie: where do you want to be in a few years? patrick: we're helping more companies get started in the first place and we want to help those ensuing technology companies become more muchssful, generally built larger and more fruitful businesses. it's not like this is a specific, concrete destination. i do hope we are available to people and businesses in every country around the world. we have made enormous strides in helping those businesses be more successful, generally in some sense increasing the exponent. charlie: thank you for coming. much success. we will be right back. ♪
asrlie: after three years france's ambassador to the united states, our next guest position in the coming days. on may 8, emmanuel macron was elected the new president of france after a decisive victory over his nationalist rival, marine le pen. macron must now prove if he can unite the divided republic. i'm pleased to have the ambassador here to talk about
france and with the french election may mean for france in the world. why did macron win? think first, we are facing the same problems of some against our systems political system. we had populist from the left and from the right. macrons different was was a populist also but running on a centrist platform. he was a populist because he had never run for office. in france, to run for elected office, you had -- you would need to of been one for 30 years. he's very young for french politics, so he has appeal in a sense as also against the system.
charlie: people look at this as two things, against the populism of le pen and the populism of brexit and the populism of donald trump here in france and in the netherlands, you saw a victory against that kind of populism. and a vote also for europe. >> exactly. there's a difference between the u.k. and france about europe. opposed the creation of the european union and eventually joined the community because if they could not beat it, they wanted to join it, but it has always been a transactional decision. maybe because the continent has been devastated by the world war. it is very difficult in a sense to win an election by running a sort of anti-european platform. marine le pen wanted france out
of the european union, and that was something touching a nerve. chancellorcause of angela merkel in germany who is and theeelection success of macron, might we see also and even better relationship between germany and france? : in a sense, the message of emmanuel macron was to say i am really pro-european but it sayd be dangerous to everything is perfect in the kingdom of the european union. especially the eurozone. as we say in france, we are in the middle of the stream. on the one side, we had the monetary union, but on the other side, we do not have the instruments of a enteral
government of europe. i guess after german elections, there will be a debate, and emmanuel macron will raise the question with our german friends about what should we do to move forward on the eurozone structures? if we do not do it, there will be a member of the eurozone saying enough is enough, i'm leaving. charlie: you also believe that france in america's political lives are comparable. gerard: basically, we're not happy with the system. i really believe in a sense that emmanuel macron is the last opportunity of the system really to preserve us from populism. and emmanuel macron is aware of it. he recently said it publicly.
he knows the challenge he is facing. he has to respond to the anxieties, the sufferings of his citizens. they are not morons. they are not fascists. they are really dissatisfied citizens. said general mattis told you the french with the best allies of the u.s. on the battlefield. gerard: if you look at what we're doing the sahara region -- macron is going today or tomorrow to study our forces. we have 4000 soldiers fighting tryingts in the most circumstances. we are also the main ally of the u.s. fact that ours a cooperation between the u.s. and france has never been so intense.
charlie and you are former ambassador to the united nations and former ambassador to the united states from france. tell me what ucs possible from syria. gerard: the problem again as a diplomat, you see what is possible, and again, the reality is that russians have sent us a clear message and uranian's also that aside is going to stay. we don't like it -- charlie: and there are saudi's waiting on the battlefield? gerard: the battlefield is really moving forward. my main threat against country is coming from daesh, from isis, in terms of terrorism and also in terms of migration, so what we should do i guess with the russians and uranian's, really understanding first on
the defeat of isis, but the defeat of isis is not enough. when isis is defeated, there's the question of the governor's, so we are willing to convince the russians and iranians that they cannot come back to these regions. these regions are populated by sunnis who are adversaries of aside. let's try to work on the political transition in the area controlled by assad, and on the other side, let's find the next step toward governance -- charlie: you think that are divided in syria? gerard: not legally, but on the period,or a transitory this country has suffered so
maybe let's try first andppease the conflict after that will come a political transition. charlie cole and to the west make a mistake not to do more earlier? gerard: i think so, yes. charlie: history will judge harshly? gerard: i will let history decide. west lost its leverage on the ground. why when there was the strike, when we could have -- you need after the strike a political strategy. charlie: how do they perceive president trump?
gerard: 65 million french have a lot of different -- really, as a foreigner -- really, again, i was an outsider in domestic politics. what matters is what the administration is doing. the administration has expressed its report to nato, to the as anan union, so outsider for the moment, we have no reason in a sense to cooperate. charlie: isn't it interesting that you feel good because the president of the united states has expressed his support for nato and europe, the fact that you would even doubt the president of the united states would support europe, even though president obama had argued that france and other countries in nato should pick up 2% of their gdp as part of the support for nato.
gerard: the debate about the 2% long-running. most european countries are increasing their budget. even macron has taken the .ommitment to 2% of the gdp we have also to face the reality that after the end of the cold war, for a lot of americans, abouts a real question why we are still in europe. wisconsin, guy in that could be a real question. that insteadelieve of not having a conversation, it is always better to have a conversation. it was more or less started by president obama, and it is going on now. we have to sit at the table and have this conversation. why have a transatlantic
elationship? our transatlantic relationship really is rooted in 1945, the end of the war which was against the soviet union, let's be frank. the soviet union has disappeared. russia is not the geopolitical threat. russia is a geopolitical problems. i really do believe we should have this conversation. charlie: what will you miss most about being the ambassador of france to the united states? totallyit i were a diplomat, i would say i should miss my frankness, but i
think in this country it is possible to have real discussions while on my side, i always trythink in this countrys possible to not to be uselessly aggressive, but we should face should alls, and we be frank, and i think i have done it. charlie: we wish you much success. thank you for joining us. see you next time. ♪
alisa: i'm alisa parenti from washington and you are watching "bloomberg technology. fired fbi director james comey will publicly describe conversations with president trump, but stops short of saying if you think the president sought to obstruct justice. he will describe in detail any of his interactions with trump during his senate intelligence committee hearing on thursday. department of homeland security secretary john kelly speaking to a senate panel in washington says the block on president trump administration's travel ban puts the u.s. apparel -- the u.s. in peril. he said the u.s.-led attacks on iraq and syria increase the chances of a