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david: you are now both former presidents. mr. clinton: no one plays a song when you go in the room anymore. david: what do you say to each other? when is: generally, this program start and what is it going to end? mr. clinton: give shorter answers. david: first a you are in the oval office. mr. clinton: it really surprised me how easily i could be turned into a two-dimensional cartoon. saidush: my dad, he welcome mr. president. and i said thank you mr. president. david: people wouldn't recognize me if my tie was fixed. i will leave it this way.
alright. ♪ david: i don't consider myself a journalist. nobody else would consider myself a journalist. i began to take on the life of being an interviewer, even though i have a day job. how do you define leadership? what is it that make somebody tick? i like to start by acknowledging the presence of mrs. bush. thank you very much for being here. >> [applause] actually, i was supposed to do that. david: sorry. [laughter] david: i want to ask you about your parents. how are they doing? mr. bush: i hate these tough questions. thank you for asking. told dad today i would be on stage with bill, and you were the moderator.
david: what did he say? mr. bush: he was surprised. [laughter] david: okay. surprised you could not do anybody better? oprah wasn't available. mr. bush: thank you very much. i am fortunate to be the only president with both parents alike after the presidency. every day is a blessing to have your mom and i live. they are doing well. 92 and 93 years old. thank you for asking. i will tell them you ask. david: how was hillary doing? mr. clinton: good. if you knew our grandkids, you would know she is good. she has been working on her book. we spent every available hour with our grandchildren. my grandson turned one-year-old on father's day. which means every seven years his father will celebrate er's day on his son's birthday. and i almost three-year-old granddaughter sang happy
birthday to him at his party. mr. bush: can your granddaughter sing happy birthday in mandarin? [laughter] mine can. mr. clinton: but she can sing in spanish. >> [applause] david: you both have grandchildren. what are you called? mr. bush: i am called jefe. >> [laughter] mr. clinton: i have more humble, i am called pop pop. >> [laughter] mr. clinton: you are the one that told me that once you become a grandparent, you are immediately at the bottom of the family totem pole. you're the least important person in the family. david: it is true. mr. clinton: we qualify. david: we will talk about your presidencies. you are now both former presidents. what is the difference between being a former president and president? one day you have the nuclear codes. you can send nuclear bombs off, everyone is working for you.
the next day when you leave office, you have no power. what was the transition like? >> [laughter] songlinton: nobody plays a when you walk in the room anymore. >> [laughter] mr. clinton: i was lost for the first three weeks after i left office. i would keep waiting for the music, you know. actually, it is wonderful. years have in 17 given a thought to, i wish i were there, i could do this, or i miss this. you have to be grateful for the time you had and realize you should focus on today and the future. liberatingis both -- itso i constantt concentrates the memory. you don't know how many years you have left, but you know the country has given you something priceless and you oh something
-- you owe something back. in our own way we have tried to figure that out. i have found a reporting -- a rewarding part of my life. mr. bush: i woke up in crawford. the day after the presidency expecting someone to bring me the coffee. >> [laughter] mr. bush: florida didn't -- laura didn't bring the coffee. the thing that startled me was the sense of having no responsibility. in other words, during the presidency you kind of become accustomed to the responsibility you have. becomes a surely it natural part of your life. you wake up the next day and suddenly you have no responsibility. that was the most stunning thing for me. david: when you are both someone on theve opposite side of the political
party saying it is a terrible idea. it is hard to get things done in washington. when you are a former president, do you find it is easier to get things done? mr. bush: yes. it depends on what you are trying to do. mr. clinton: i think it depends. first of all you have to realize what you don't have and what you do. it is really true that i love the job and i loved all the responsibility. it is amazing how much of every day is taken up by things you have to do as president and by the incoming fire. example,as running for i watched his debates carefully and nobody said, what are you guys going to do if al qaeda blows up the world trade center? you see this in a lot of different ways. if you don't deal with the incoming fire, it will undermine your ability to do anything else. if all you deal with is the incoming fire, you can't keep
the promises you made when you are running. so it is a lot of trouble. and when you get out, you change , but thatower clutter, for whatever influence you have, and you have to decide what to do. everybody makes different decisions. carter was building habitat houses. that is what he decided he wanted to do. by doing that he helped habitat to grow in one of the biggest housing operations in the world. we all have to make these decisions. mr. bush: i don't think it is that easy frankly to get things done. for example one of the great compliments in my post-presidency was the building of this building and installation of programs that we think makes a difference. but it was hard work to get there. there was not an appropriations bill. >> [laughter] today when former
presidents get together, at funerals unfortunately, and sometimes when libraries open, it is not common when you get together. what do you actually say together when you are getting together? do you tell secrets that you never tell anyone else? whenush: generally we say, is this program going to start and when is it going to end? >> [laughter] he'll say to me, give shorter answers. >> [laughter] no, it is unusual with us. him i left office, i told -- i said, if i can ever help you, then i will do it. if i can't in good conscious, i won't, but i will never embarrass you in public. you know hillary was a senator.
i said i may have to make some comment that disagrees with a policy of yours, but i will always do it respectfully, and i want you to succeed. i tried to be as good as my word. he gave me the chance to work with his father after the sue nami in south asia and after katrina. we had a heck of a time doing it. that brought all three of us closer. david: you ran against president bush '41. you called him names. how did you come together? mr. clinton: if we had not done the sunol e-work together, i am not sure the relationship would fly the way it did. mr. bush: i think it starts with being bill clinton being a person that refused to lure his victory over dad, which was important in dealing with other people. ♪
that we had some contact before. i represented the democratic governors when he decided to embrace these national education goals and asked governors to rate them. -- to write them. i tried never to take a cheap shot in the governors association. we disagreed, we found things we could do together. the other thing is, he deserves a lot of credit because if he hadn't asked us to do this tsunami work together, i am not sure the relationship would have ever floured the way that it did. we dislike being together. -- we just like being together. i always admired him. i completely supported what he did in the aftermath of the collapse of the soviet union, supporting german reunification, supporting the efforts he made
see withe, as you mixed results to integrate russia into our democracy. we just started working together on this tsunami. it was a long time ago. they lost 300,000 people in a matter of minutes and several countries. president bush said, america's got to do our part. many people couldn't find those little countries on the map. liberal part of the global community that he was willing to take fair share of the responsibility for. david: how did you become close? mr. bush: i have a different take on what i think is one of the most unique and important relationships in u.s. political history. i think it starts with bill clinton being a person who refused to lord his victory over
dad. he was humble in victory, which is important in dealing with other people. dad was going to rise above -- willing to rise above the individual context. both men in my judgment displayed strong character. therefore the friendship was able to be formed. why do i have a friendship with him? because he is called a brother with a different mother. when you campaigned, you are campaigning against some of the things the clinton administration had done when you ran into thousand. mr. bush: yeah, probably. we are both baby boomers. we are both southern governors. we had a lot in common. he got along with people in his legislature, i got along with mine. we had friends in common.
there was a natural ability to respect and like each other. therefore if you disagree with someone, it does not mean you don't like him. mr. clinton: also i recognized that he was 44 days older than me. i told him -- i called him on his birthday and said, i'm calling you on bended knee because this begins my 44 days of respect for my elders. >> [laughter] mr. bush: when i was president i would call bill, and he was very hopeful. he knew a lot about a variety of issues, particularly international affairs i was interested in. i knew i could count on him for good advice. he was gracious in receiving my calls. david: president clinton, all of us have gone to school recognizing there is someone that is a class president and everyone thinks this person can be president. but none of them have made it except you.
most people burn out, and you managed to pull this off. what you think the qualities are instilled by your mother? mr. clinton: i also lost two elections along the way which kept me humble. i think that stuff is overrated. i think i got elected because basically we were the last generation born without a television. i was 10 years old the court we got a television. i grew up in a conversational culture where people actually talked and listened to each other. i don't know how these people make it today. you have the average president talks eight second on television. twitter is hundred 40 characters. my life remote around -- revolved around meals. i spent a lot of time with my grandparents and their generation.
my uncle was the smartest guy in our family. he presided over conversations and he involved the kids in them. people me that everyone has got a story and most people can't tell it, and that's sad. and that people are inheriting -- are inherently interesting if they can get out of their own way. i was told to listen and to look. i think that is what it is. ig ot lucky. all these people say they are in a log cabin that they built themselves are full of bull. david: i think i was partially responsible for you being elected president. i worked in the white house for president carter. as the end your term as governor, we put a lot of people in arkansas, which made it impossible for you to get reelected.
i thought my not being reelected you are driven so much harder to be president later on. mr. clinton: i don't think i ever adequately thank you for doing that. >> [laughter] david: the time you want that happy about it. president bush, i think i am responsible for being your elected. i worked in the carter white house. i got inflation to 19%. reagan, then your father being president. mr. bush: i don't think i ever would have run for governor had he not defeated dad. it would have been difficult for me to have beaten ann richards in 1994 because i would've spent my time defeating -- my time defending george h.w. bush. by losing, it enabled brother jeb and me to run on our own for governor in our respective states.
i was sitting in the oval office at the desk, taking it all in and in walks my dad and i said, wilco mr. president. and he said, thank you mr. president. david: what was it like when your mother walked in the oval office and you are president of the united states? mr. clinton: she started laughing out loud. it was so ridiculous, the idea that it could have ever happened. ♪
congress and the both lost. you have that in common. after you lost the first time you were trying to beat an incumbent congressman and you lost. did you say, i am out of politics? mr. bush: i got a break in a way. 1974emocrats did well in because president nixon resigned. whon against a congressman was one of his father's best friends. he had an 85% approval rating, and 99% name recognition. mr. bush: that is called suicide. and henton: i was zero beat me. it was one of the best things that ever happened to me. we wound up being friends too. this district had the highest amount of gasoline use in america, because it was all on hilly roads. you are television ads did not
amount to anything if you did not do retail campaigning. i've learned 75% of what i know about politics in that first race. david: at the time hillary came down to help you with the campaign. did you think she was going to stay down in arkansas and mary you? center ofas not her the universe exactly. mr. clinton: i did not, no. i already asked her choice to marry me and she said no. . both times. smart girl. they liked her so much at the law school they offered her a job teaching. she didn't have anything else to do. she was working with the house judiciary committee. when that whole thing was over she just took the job and it went pretty well. , hed: when you got married
said to your wife you did not want to make any speeches. you implied he were not going to get into politics? mr. bush: not true. we got married in november, and the next year i campaigned for congress. i said she would never have to give a political speech. and she did. david: and she was good at it. you ran the house seat, and you lost. did you say, i'm out of politics? mr. bush: for a while. like bill said, it was one of the best things that happened to me. the guy that the me said if i hadn't beat bush, he would still be on the agricultural committee. david: you decided to run for governor against incumbent ann richards. your mother and father said you have no chance of winning. mr. bush: the father did not say that, the mother did. david: what did you say when you want? mr. bush: i said, are you going
to come to the inauguration? you know my mother. you never pop off to her like that. she'll floor you. >> [laughter] david: when both of you became president, your father had been president -- your father had not been president, but had been in government. the first day you are in the oval office. you learn the nuclear codes, all the crises we may be getting into. what was the surprise that hit you? when did it hit you? the first day, the first month? mr. bush: truman said the most amazing thing about being you spend sothat much time convincing people -- , one of hised me me was that i was
governor of a small state. so far removed from the hardcan people that it's for them to see you as a three-dimensional person. texas, iovernor of think you had a much more personal relationship. the lieutenant governor was a very good friend of mine. he loved george bush. i think he helped him be a better governor. we were just used to being people and dealing with people. it really surprised me how easily i could be turned into a two dimensional cartoon instead of a three-dimensional human being. you have to discipline yourself about what to talk about, how to talk about it. you have to keep remembering there are all these layers between you and people that didn't used to be there. i thought i was a pretty good communicator.
i just fell on my face four or five times. david: you became president as a young age. uber 46 years old. if you have been president at 46 or 56, how would you be? mr. clinton: i think i would have been better in some ways if i were older. but i think i would have been not as good in some ways. you show up and you keep trying to do it and something happens. david: your father was president, so you saw what he might have done right or wrong. did you take any lessons from that? mr. bush: no, i learned a lot from watching him. i wasn't interested in separation from him, and he wasn't interested either. we have a great father-son relationship. i learned a lot from watching
him. my most startling moment came after the inaugural parade. i decided i was going to go into the oval office to see what it felt like. unbeknownst to me, andy card called upstairs and asked dad to come in. i was sitting in the oval office at the desk, taking it all in and in walks my dad. i said, welcome mr. president, and he said thank you, mr. president. david: what was it like when your mother walked in and he were president of the united states? mr. clinton: she started laughing out loud. >> [laughter] mr. clinton: it was so ridiculous, the idea of it, that it could have ever happened. when i started running she was the only person that thought i had a good chance to win. hillary and chelsea were undecided at the beginning. it made me feel good because my
mother had a pretty tough life. she was widowed three times. she had a pretty tough life. she got up at 5:00 every morning and got herself ready and went to work by 7:00 and did everything she could to take care of me. i was proud to be able to show it to her. she was ill then, but she lived another year. just a little more than another year about the time. excuse me, a little less than a year. she died january 6. david: what's it like to live in the white house? mr. bush: you want to know what my mother said? david: i guess so. [laughter] mr. bush: get your feet off the jeffersonian table. david: but your mother was proud of of course. there was only one woman who had a son become president of the united states whose father was president of the united states. your mother was the only person
who saw her husband be president and her son. pretty unusual. if you could run for president of the united states or former president, what would you recommend? mr. clinton: you have to live a long time as a former president to have as many impacts as you have as president. mr. bush: the decisions you make have a monumental effect on many people. it is exciting to be in that kind of environment. ♪
can go to camp david when you want. it is a pleasure to live there, or not so much? mr. clinton: i have spent almost a dozen years in the governor's mansion in arkansas. it is very different. i basically was self-supporting from the time i was 19. it took some getting used to, but i developed a real respect and affection for the people that worked there. i developed an enormous amount of respect for the secret service and the risks that they take and i adjusted myself accordingly. i love living in the white house. i remember very vividly the last time i got off of the helicopter and walked into the white house as president before i would soon be gone. i was consciously aware that i was going in there more optimistic than i was about
america than the first time i walked in, more idealistic. mr. bush: it was great. they pamper you. we knew a lot of the stuff. they were the same people that work there when bill was there, and when dad was there. laura and i got to know them. it was great. it was a historic place. it is comfortable. i loved every minute of living there. david: most people have never been to camp david. what is it like? it is a great place to have a retreat and relax, or is it overrated? mr. clinton: i liked it. it is a great place. i loved it most at thanksgiving. i would bring all the family. i liked it when chelsea could bring her friends. you are at least under the
illusion that you have more freedom of movement, more wandering around time. it is great to get away. mr. bush: we went there a lot and probably used it more than any president. maybe ronald reagan did more. one, we could invite our friends. one of the great delights of the presidency was to invite friends weaker up with in the midlands and show them the oval office or show them camp david. the other thing i liked a lot is i like exercise. the place is set up for a lot of hiking, running, mountain biking. there is a wonderful gym. i found it to be liberating. david: mike and --mountain biking is a dangerous thing. you have not given it up? mr. bush: i still ride. david: you are not worried about breaking things? mr. bush: dad was jumping out of planes at 85. david: you have lost weight
since you left the presidency. you have gone on a vegan diet. havelinton: not when you quadruple heart bypass and you want to live to be a grandfather. i never gave it a second thought. i realized i was highly prone to arterial blockage. i literally wanted to live to the grandfather. unlike him who comes from great genes, i'm the oldest person from my generation man or woman. i figured i was having a good time being alive. it will be over soon enough. i figure i will stretch it out as long as i can. david: if you could run for president of the united states, what would you recommend? mr. clinton: depends on how you keep score. you have to live a long time as a former president to have the
impact on his many people as you can as president. i have tried to do as best i could. if you gave me the choice, i would serve two terms. mr. bush: i would agree. the decisions you make have a monumental effect on a lot of people. it is exciting to be in that kind of environment. that you use all your skills and energy to affect policy in a positive way. the interesting thing about the presidency is that it is often defined by the unexpected, which makes the job doubly interesting. mr. clinton: a lot of my most successful former presidents are one term. john quincy adams went back to congress for 16 years, one of the most important anti-slavery advocates. william howard taft became chief justice. herbert hoover came out of retirement and wrote the civil service act. they did a lot of good things.
blessed.d i have been barack obama is young. you guys could be double lucky. you could serve eight years as president and do good things. david: john kennedy was once asked, what do you think about this job and would you recommend it? he said i guess not to others so i can wait to finish my tenure. would you say it is worth the aggravation factor to become president, or would you recommend they pursue something else? mr. clinton: in a heartbeat. david: the highest calling of mankind i always thought was private equity. >> [laughter] david: you say it is better? mr. clinton: i don't know. mr. bush: we make $200,000 a year in pension. when you make? david: money isn't everything. mr. clinton: if we could say one serious thing, there are a lot of really big questions floating
out there. the mexican multibillionaire is a really smart guy, he gave a speech during the campaign. the campaign being what it was, he said i believe this will be the first technological revolution that will kill more jobs than it creates. therefore i believe we will either have to have people with money pay even higher taxes to subsidize people living who don't, for the richest countries are going to have to start planning first for a three-day workweek because of automation, robotics, and artificial intelligence. no one knows the answer to that. nobody knows if he is right or not. that means it is not going to be -- david: what would you say in your eight years you're most proud of getting done? mr. clinton: we had the broadest
david: looking back on your presidency, you both served eight years. 550 million americans over the course of our history, 45 of them elected president, but only 13 people have served two consecutive terms. you were two of the 13. what would you say in your eight years are you most proud of having done? mr. clinton: i was proud when we left office we had the broadest period of shared prosperity in 50 years. where the bottom 20% of income increased more than the top 20% and nobody was mad at anyone else over it. it was shared across racial and religious lines. did i abolish any quality?
no. you can't in a market society. we found a way to have more shared prosperity, including free budget surpluses. i think if everyone has got a decent job and something to look forward to in the morning, about 90% of the other problems go away. whatever argument we might have about health care policy or any other social policy will all become less significant if people think they can start a business and keep a job and educate their kids. families and communities are more stable, the problems get smaller. david: what would you say in your eight years? mr. bush: my daughters loved me. as bill will tell you, it is a challenge to have teenage daughters when you are president. as anyone it is a challenge to have teenage daughters. ourks to laura's love,
family unit strengthened. i think that is a great accomplishment. mr. clinton: me too. this is what people don't believe about people like us, if you take it seriously your most important job is being a father or mother. david: as president of the united states, did you have enough time to be a prese -- to be a parent as you wanted? weren't: our girls handy, as they say. thankfully laura spent a lot of time nurturing them. i knew what it was like to the child of the president, and the criticism is harsh. and it stings if you are the child. we were worried about our girls reacting to the criticism that i got. i tried to do my best.
david: what is it like when you have a daughter and she goes out on a date and the father is greeting the young man, and you were president of the united states. that is kind of intimidating for the young man i assume. mr. clinton: at the time i hurriedly -- i certainly hope so. >> [laughter] i like chelsea's boyfriends. she never went out with more than one boy at a time. the chapters got shorter and longer dependent. she had one boyfriend in high school that i really liked. but he wouldn't take his baseball cap off inside. finally he sat down at dinner one night and i said, i really like you, you know that don't you? he said, yes sir i do. i said, you can't wear that cap at dinner. this guy goes on to become an
architect. when you are dead went to work onyour dad went to work katrina. i ran into him in biloxi. there they were just three young people trying to help people put their lives back together. treasured knowing my daughter brings 18 to 26 people home for the next giving every year. all of her foreign friends or people that can't go home. hillary and i feed them and they go around the table and say what they are grateful for. you can't be pessimistic about the future if you hear young people say that. >> [applause] david: what makes you both most optimistic about the future of our country? mr. bush: one of the most unique things about our country are the
armies of compassion that exist throughout the united states that exist in spite of the government. these are people that say, i'm going to try to improve the community in which i live. any nation with that kind of passion is one in which the citizenry ought to be optimistic. david: when you became former president you were famous for taking up painting. people were a little surprised because you weren't thought to be an artist before. why did you take up painting? mr. bush: you did not think i was sensitive, david? david: how did you decide to pick up painting? mr. bush: i hope people will look at the paintings in the exhibit after dinner tonight. it is right behind here. the reason i do it is because it heralds our vets. the reason i do it is because i was bored. the foundation institute takes up time, but it wasn't enough. i read winston churchill's
essay, painting is a pastime. i said if that guy can think, i can' paint. david: since you left the presidency, you have changed your diet. what gives you the most pleasure now? mr. clinton: building my foundation and trying to fund it. it got so big so fast that it just took up all my time. to -- once something healthd itself -- our initiative gives 1/8 of medicine around the world. we never took any american money. it meant that we could drive the price down of medicine everywhere. initiative that we don't have any more in its previous
incarnation, but i'm working on some specific things -- we helped 400 million people with that. it is a lot of trouble. you have to keep at it all the time. at first i thought, i don't want to do this, but i did. and i did notlic, think i could be a gifted painter. i admire him for doing that. i think he would tell you the best thing that can happen to you in politics is to be consistently underestimated. mr. bush: i was pretty good at that. >> [laughter] [applause] david: mr. clinton: he made me look like a genius. when the presidential race in 2000 started, i turned on the tv one night at the white house and i saw him sitting on a bale of watching him give a compassionate conservative
speech. i went on the phone and said, you better pay attention to him, he can beat you. what he said to people who could go either way is a compassionate conservative. i will give you the same thing clinton did, but with smaller government and a bigger tax cut. would you like that? >> [laughter] mr. clinton: as we know we democrats are not as good at bumper stickers. i thought they are going to underestimate this guy. i saw him beat in richards, and she had a 60% approval rating and he won anyway because he understood politics is about candidates and culture and not just what position you take on the issue. he constructed a campaign that fit with where texas was at the time.
anndidn't have to dislike richards to vote for george bush. he maximized the number of people he could get. david: what do you think it takes for someone that wants to be president? mr. bush: humility. it is important to know what you don't know and listen to people that do know what you don't know. mr. clinton: if you want to be president, realize it is about the people, not about you. and when it is over -- people forget that time passes. ♪
david: how did the two of you come together to create the presidential leadership program? mr. bush: one of the real problems with these presidential centers is that they become irrelevant quickly unless there is something that captures people's attention. margaret spellings said we ought to think about using these
ll young people together and encourage them for leadership education programs. it made a lot of sense. bill and i talked together. fit right into our view of how to be useful. that is how it got started. focus their attention on these libraries on the coast. he said this is a valuable resource for people in what we call the heartland. mr. clinton: you talk to these young people. it is a nice thing to go to our libraries. i bet you the thing they get most out of is being with each other. one of the things that is wrong with america today that bothers me more than anything else about our future is that we have separated ourselves into
like-minded communities. we may be less racist, homophobic, and sexist, but we don't want to be around many people that disagree with us. and we get news in silos. the truth is an interdependent complex world, diverse groups make that are decisions than homogenous ones. these people would make better decisions. everybody knows that. but the most can't help themselves because when you have a national election it all we vote forted and the gridlock that we hate. i was telling george before i came out, i just came back from lake tahoe where he started and i finished a plan to save lake tahoe. it is one of only two blue water lakes in the world, and democrats and republicans made it possible. columbia wherem
i started but he mostly finished plant columbia which gave the country back to its people. it was a total bipartisan deal because we started with the end in mind. we have to get back to that in america. this is killing us, all this fighting over nothing. david: we have time for one more question. both of you can answer this. for those who are presidential scholars or other people watching, if someone wants to be president, is the most important quality hard work, intelligence, optimism, luck? what do you think it takes for someone that wants to be like you? mr. bush: humility. i think it is important to know what you don't know and listen to people that do know what you don't know. mr. clinton: i also think you have to begin with the end in mind. yeah you have to win the election but why in the heck are you running?
when he ran for governor against ann richards, he did not say she he said he wanted to be governor because he wanted to do 1 , 2, 3 things. when you want to be president, realize it is about the people, not about you. a lot of these people that are real arrogant in office, they forget that time passes more quickly than you know. you want to be able to say, people are better off when i quit, things were coming together. you don't want to say god, look at all the people i beat. the most important thing is to be humble, to listen, to realize everyone has got a story. mr. bush: the only thing you disagree with in my platform was that texas ought to take arkansas.
>> [laughter] mr. clinton: when i disagreed with is he wanted to get all of our water and not pay very much money for it. >> [laughter] mr. clinton: i would have swapped it out for texas oil. david: president clinton, president bush. i want to thank you for your service to the country and for the leadership you have given to so many people, and thank you what you are doing in your post presidency. mr. clinton: thank you all. >> [applause] ♪ whoooo.
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♪ announcer: from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: welcome to the program. we take note this evening of the story will have more of tomorrow night. the three announced more nuclear capability and president trump fired back saying, we will unleash "fire and fury" if a endangered the united states. north korea best not make any more threats to the united states. they will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen. >>