tv Charlie Rose Bloomberg September 12, 2017 6:00pm-7:00pm EDT
♪ from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: steve bannon is executive chairman of breitbart news. until recently, he was chief strategist at the white house trump.sident during the campaign, he became the ceo of the trump campaign. he grew up in richmond, virginia, went to virginia tech, and georgetown and, harvard business school. he went to work for goldman filmmaker.ecame a last week, i spoke to steve bannon about politics, nationalism, president trump, and other issues facing the
country. we recorded the conversation at his home, which is also the office for breitbart news. two segments of that conversation appeared on "60 minutes," last night. here is the nexar. -- excerpt. steve: donald trump is a fighter. great counterpunch or. he's a fighter. i will be his wing man outside. our purpose is to support donald trump. charlie: and destroy his enemies? steve: to make sure his enemies know there's no free shot. after the situation, as shown -- i told john kelly, i was the only guy that tried to defend him. i said he's talking about taking something to a higher level. ? where does this all go? where does it end? charlie: i will tell you where many people think it should have gone. it should have gone in terms of denouncing, specifically from
the very beginning, neo-nazis and white supremacists, and people of that political view. it should have gone there because those were people that americans in world war ii went to fight against. he should have instantly denounced them. and you didn't at first instinct. in fact, you seemed to be doubling down in terms of a moral equivalency. steve: what he's trying to say is that people who support the monuments, if people support that, that is the first amendment. but talking about neo-nazis, and the confederacy, there is no room in american society for that. generalem, and i told kelly this, when you side with a man, you side with him. i was proud to defend president trump in the media. charlie: no exceptions in terms of siding with someone? you can time to do it a better way, but if you are going to break, then resign. the stuff leaked out that week by certain members of the white house i thought was unacceptable.
charlie: who are you talking about? steve: i'm talking about gary cohn and some other people. steve:if you don't like what he's doing and don't agree, you have an obligation to resign. were you upset with him? steve: i was of the opinion you should condemn both the racists and the neo-nazis. they are getting a free ride off of donald trump. it is a small group, a vicious group, they add no value. the left-wing media makes them up as some huge part of donald trump's coalition. charlie: david duke -- steve: david duke shows up for every media, -- opportunity because -- harlie: the media does not
make david duke say what he says. they applauded because of what the president says. who listens,ybody talking about the plight of the also believe they there is, on your part and the president's part, not enough appreciation for some of the values also that made america great. and you don't appreciate that. and you don't appreciate the diversity, you don't appreciate the respect for civil rights. steve: that was -- i was raised in a desegregated neighborhood. i went to an integrated school, a catholic school. i went to the military. i don't need to be lectured by a bunch of limousine liberals from the upper east side of new york and the hamptons. about any of this. my lived experience is that. charlie: tonight, a longer
version of the conversation with steve bannon for the hour. ,hen did you first know about and come to, personally know donald trump? steve: it wassteve: 2010. i made a number of documentary films with a dimon -- a guy named dave. it was focused on the tea party. he called me up. i was making a film for him. he asked me if i wanted to come to new york to meet donald trump. i said not particularly, have too much to do. he said he was thinking of running for president. i said, are you kidding me? so i said, fine, i will go up. i would like to be able to talk about this populist movement. i would like you to be prepared to talk about the populist movement, economic nationalism in the tea party movement. dave gave a very detailed
presentation. famouszed it was in the 25th floor conference room. given that president trump is not a guy who likes to sit through long meetings, i think dave and i were there for a couple of hours at least. we went through a presentation of how you think about the primary process and general election. segment on the tea party movement. i had a section on the populist revolt. charlie: what was your impression? steve: i had never been in the presence of a guy that had this kind of charisma. he was incredibly charismatic. he had an intuitive feel. we talked about china. he really understood china. he clearly had been talking about it for 20 or 30 years. very much like lou dobbs and donald trump, those are the guys i remember talking about china in the 1990's.
he had a deep understanding of that. he had a deep understanding about the tea party movement. he followed it very closely. trump,the things about he really understands in a deep , he started young. i kept saying populist. .e cap sing popularist i tried to correct him. we agreed to disagree, but i could see what his thinking was. i laughed and thought, there's no way he's running for 2012, but if he ever tries to do it, i thought you would be serious. he did write a book. one of the things recommended, if you want to do this, you should get a policy book out there. i wrote a book in 2011, and
think the subtitle was "make america great again." i think it was called, "time to get tough." is not one of the most famous trump books, but it lays out -- was "time toitle get tough," and the subtitle was "make america great again." if people look at the book, it came out in 2011. he had a deep understanding of his thoughts on trade and his thoughts on america in the world , his thoughts on taxes. in 2010, i did not think he could run for president anytime soon. charlie: you thought he had possibilities? steve: absolutely. dave bossi and others in the him to thesevite gatherings. i think the first one was maybe 2011 at cpac.
breitbart at the time, i was also doing a radio show in los angeles. i started watching him. politicians, i see i sit in the back or the side to watch the crowd. most of the time, i have heard speeches before. i noticed something on trump. he did not speak like a politician. he talked in a vernacular that people could relate to. i noticed people would lean into his speeches. i've seen that on sarah palin. they have a connection. they have a visceral connection with working-class people. they have a visceral connection with the working class that goes beyond politics. charlie: in fact, you called him the best over it or since william jennings bryan -- a tor you have seen since william jennings bryan. steve: i don't have attention to
the guys on tv because they have fallen -- i came out of business school, one of the failings was the proctor and gamble marketing. likemarketed candidates products. you can't say certain words. it gets so dry that there's no substance. i think one of the things the internet has given us is a search for authenticity. trump, i'm telling you, and i can't believe the media missed it -- if you look at the campaign, the speeches, the crowds, were barn burners. each one had a different policy perspective. the speeches are the plan for the trump plan. it shows you how people urine for this. his oratory is very powerful. he's the greatest speech maker in modern political history. i think there's only been one, william jennings bryan, who is also a populist.
you cannot do 3, 4, 5 of these rally today and come in fresh. the entire campaign was not really modern and the fact that we did not do a lot of -- we approach of data mining and targeted it, coupled with an old-fashioned, let's get this guy in front of a big crowd. but i think he is a spellbinding speaker. the audience is engaged. how many people wait eight, 10, 12 hours in line? once you got inside, you got seated, or people would be in the mosh pit, people wait for hours. we would say that we got something. when i first got to the campaign, we wanted to make sure we tracked hillary clinton very closely. herticed that not only were
speech is terrible, but they were not galvanizing. we noticed she went to these colleges, you can tell because are from the other democratic schools around town, they are there because they are little democrats. there was no rallying cry. i think the speeches were -- shawtouching people said only connect. he was connecting hard. charlie: the thing i noticed is he has a conversation with the audience. they know after a while where the call is. you know, lock her up, drain the swamp, cnn sucks. charlie: you agree with all those points? [laughter] steve: absolutely. i think they were all key. charlie: including lock her up? steve: well, i don't know why people had had meetings with other countries, but i thought there was more than enough. i was head of the group with peter switzer,
a great author. we took two and a half years of his team of investigators to do clinton cache. there was clearly enough there to drill down on. i think there is something for investigations. i'm not want to politicize stuff. charlie: but are you suggesting she should be vulnerable for an indictment? steve: i definitely think there should be further investigations. i think the irani one situation to have a much deeper investigation. the whole clinton global initiative. they have merchant banking and investment banking. that should be looked at for bill clinton and herself, particularly when she was secretary of state. i'm not saying let's go after her just because she is hillary clinton. one of the tenets of the populist movement, and one of the things we put in speeches about her, what i told president
trump at the time, the campaign should be seen -- simple. she is the standardbearer for a corrupt and incompetent status quo. you are the agent of change. you are the agent of change obama didn't deliver. we always have her as a foil. she is status quo. you are the agent obtaine -- of change. the math was there. think 77% of the american people said the country was in decline. all the underlying substrate of the american electorate was there. if you force her to defend the status quo, force her to this permanent political class that has a grip, regardless of political affiliation, has a if you makenation, her a tribune of that and do compare and contrast, you will win. charlie: isn't it sad we are
getting to a point in which people are calling for the other side to be put in jail and be indicted? steve: you don't want to politicize this. charlie: but that's exactly what we are doing. steve: no, no, look at president trump. one of the things i continue to say, you talk about a repudiation or notification of an election. look at president trump. not only do you have a special prosecutor and grand jury's, but you have on capitol hill, with republican leadership, three separate committees. two in the senate and one in the house. they are investigating subpoenas. they have had big breaks already. charlie: in a republican-controlled congress. steve: i know. look at that for a second. if you look at the nullification -- that's one of the reasons i left the white house. look at this, the nullification of this election, i don't think it's coming from the left. you have the democratic party, the corporatists, all this, i
think they are second or third tier, which i will get to. but clearly the republican leadership has allowed three committees to be run, clearly by democrats. i see adam schiff on tv all the time. mark warner is running the senate committee. can you imagine, let's take it in political physics -- can you imagine if hillary clinton would and chuck schumer and nancy pelosi were the heads of the senate and house, that you would have three committees investigating president hillary clinton, with republicans running those? of course not. ♪
charlie: at the time that you met donald trump, impressed by him, impressed by his curiosity, his attention -- was he at that time talking about the birther issue? this is 2010. steve: never brought it up. me, ande did approach we talked. not the birther issue, he did approach me about putting up -- i think he later did it --but myself and donors, if we would be interested in matching a reward if they turned over president obama's college records, if there would be a donation of $2 million or $5
million. it never came together. but i think before 2012, he did a video in his office where he i think occidental college would put up the funds. but i've never had any conversation with him at all where we talked about the birth there. i think on the campaign, september or october, we had a session where we went to his hotel and said, president obama was born in the u.s. charlie: but that came after a long period of making a big public issue for him. steve: andrew breitbart was very famous for not being a birther site, for breitbart. at the first tea party 2009, or early 2010, where sarah palin kicked it off, the opening night was my film. andrew introduced it. got into afarrar tussle. up and started
with the gospel of matthew, went through all the lineage of jesus and he said even, jesus christ needed a birth certificate. the place went crazy. our site was not burgers. i have never heard -- charlie: so that was not an issue or something you believed in. the paper and everything, of the it all imagination it could happen, but anyway, talking about social security, it was a big issue for a while. my issue was never where he was born, my issue were his policies. i never heard president trump ever mentioned that one time. charlie: how did you get involved in the campaign? steve: i never spent much personal time with trump. even with cpac, my sister or other people in the company would go up. , andme on my radio show
was on the pages of breitbart. if i go back to 2013, i had a meeting with jeff sessions and e, stephenaid miller. this is after his 2012 defeat. we had a dinner. the rnc was coming out with the autopsy report, which said you had to go to something like gang of eight amnesty, all this, it became the lexicon of the republican party. that talkedalysis about how working-class people had not come out and voted for mitt romney, and it would have made a difference. i started doing some analysis about the working-class movement and populist movement, what it can do in a general election.i had a dinner with jeff sessions populist,an agrarian who was kind of the spiritual head of the mission. i said that trade is a big
issue. if we ran a campaign to focus on economic issues of the country and got people to understand how trade is so important, and immigration is inextricably linked to the suppression of the working-class, we can set this fire. i said, you will not win the primary or be president, but we can use this as a vehicle to get into the general conversation. and senator sessions said, i agree 100%. i'm not the guy, but i agree. that person will arrive. charlie: and he became an early supporter? steve: intellectually, always. remember, the -- huge battle in 2013 for immigration, which was really the civil war of the republican party, that gang of eight. in june or july it got voted down in the house. it was really tearing the party apart. the following year, eric cantor
-- eric cantor, he got defeated by a guy who raised $200,000 on the issue of immigration and trade deals. we could see it get traction. i was following trump at the time that small forums. he was starting to talk about these issues, particularly trade deals.ina, nafta, bad talked about it. i could see it. no other republicans talked about it. charlie: he talked about other things, people coming from mexico were rapists, and -- steve: he was making a policy case. he does not speak like a politician. he speaks in a plane vernacular. it resonated with people like you couldn't believe. no other republicans were talking about this. ofy had a standard doctrine
free trade, limited government, and i'm not saying all that is wrong. free trade i don't agree with. it was just not resonating. when 2014 into 2015, you can see when trump announced. he was fifth or sixth in the polls when he announced. no one thought he was serious. it was announced, galvanizing. the media bid right away on the comments about illegal immigration, and i think blue it up -- blew it up. charlie: but you were not part of the team by then? steve: no, we were at breitbart. i could tell it was something. we are like a throwback to the newspapers in the 19th century. we have very set beliefs at our media operation. we are populist, economic nationalists.
first.eve in america we don't believe in foreign intervention that is not in the vital national security interests of the u.s. we had others, huckabee, other populous. -- populists. ted cruz had a following for a while. we had a battle with fox news in the first debate when megyn kelly jumped trump with his twitter feed, and whatever, "the we could tell fox was trying to run interference with more traditional candidates. charlie: so how did you become the ceo of the campaign? steve: what happened was that after the convention and after hillary clinton's convention, in mid-august, there was an article by maggie haberman on a saturday morning in "the new york times,"
that talked about how the campaign was in disarray, it was falling apart, he was very unhappy, etc. i did some checking, i got the paper in the morning, i was reading my coffee, reading the paper, it looked worse. we were not involved, we were following it. we knew the numbers were looking bad. you had the khan situation, the judge situation. it's looking bad. the republican establishment was looking to say, we are going to cut this guy loose. we have to save the house and the senate. i spoke to a couple of the investors in breitbart, bob and rebekah mercer. basically said that we knew kellyanne conway very well. she had run the super pac for the mercer's for ted cruz. charlie: and the mercer's had been supporting ted cruz.
way, they had met they said and ivanka, they would put serious money into a super pac, we support from -- trump. talked to them and said there's no doubt he can win. charlie: the deal was that you could show him how to win as a populist, but the deal is that you would get an opportunity to see a populist agenda enacted from the white house. no, it was never a -- it was really, you are a populist, economic nationalist, you have these beliefs. they are donald trump's beliefs. charlie: you did not have to convince him -- steve: no, if you go back to the primary, they are all coming up. he talks about it all the time. in the acceptance speech
at the convention, using a very powerful, i call it the wittenberg cathedral speech. the speech was looked at as being artless. i thought it was the opposite. i thought it was a jackhammer. charlie: because he had all the points you wanted? immigration, trade -- steve: the basic core, and it was relentless. charlie: attacking the establishment. steve: attacking them. afterwards,ng cnn they said the worst acceptance speech, did not show unity, did not have uplifting rhetoric. then they went to the piano, and the panel was 70% that they loved it. says he is his own strategist, he is. he's a guy that knows the world. it's very simple. it was just to make sure we took away all the other nonsense away from the campaign. we just focused on his core message, which by the way,
something he has talked about for 40 years, it is the core of his being. all we had to do was set up a system to basically compare and contrast himself with hillary clinton. she is the standardbearer of the corrupt and incompetent status quo. i'm the agent of change. i'd the agent of change you thought you had an obama. charlie: what didcharlie: and wt from him? think he just expected to be the candidate he could be. charlie: did you see him as the guy who could give a voice to the economic nationalists? steve: absolutely. we saw that in the beginning. breitbart started to be called trumbart. himlie: did you bring certain constituency he wouldn't have reached? steve: in the primary know
-- no doubt. sam numberg had been close to us for a long time. aeitbart at the time had been nationalists -- charlie: people looking for a way to characterize you look at breitbart. 400e: we put up 250 to pieces per day, i have sites in london, they take a handful of satirical headlines. let's talk about the one they -- bill kristol renegade, that was by david horowitz and calling bill
jew, bya renegade saying he didn't support israel enough. the most pro-israel site in the country is breitbart. ,he one that is most anti-bef the one that has done more articles on the plight of the jews of europe is breitbart. i am giving a keynote address in the fall being introduced by ambassador from israel, the reason why i haven't never defended myself against this or breitbart is when the left is in the cul-de-sac of identity politics, we are winning. if somebody believe is talking about racial identity issues,han economic
they lose. steve: 100%. -- the left said trump's down 16, the clinton campaign knows it's over for him, he knows it is over for -- he broughtt in in the bomb thrower. bannon is going to wreak havoc on enemies on the way down. it is all going to be vengeance and what you saw was the opposite, i highly disciplined him a focused campaign going where we had to go every day with a message of populist nationalism. in the west -- comes outlary clinton to give her first speech since i was announced. i go to the room we had with the tv's all over with my young team.
it ismes out and she goes all-right --nnon, right -- we got her. she has reconfirmed to me she has no earthly idea what she's doing over the country is. charlie: how do you measure your contribution to the tim kaine? steve: jared kushner was really my partner. we brought in reince priebus 80 we wereean spicer, pulling together.
napoleon told his marshals one-timed -- charlie: what is it about you and fascination with military biography and military leaders? steve: i come from norfolk, virginia. it was a navy town, and richmond coming from the south it is imbued with history all the great contributions from world war ii. it was just the thing as i was kid. charlie: but you're beyond that, when you look at your library, there is a lot of books about military, biography, the library of somebody in or mislead curious about history. steve: if you want to make an impact in the world you have to understand the institutions and
history. what you find when you study it is everyone who became great overtime or beloved overtime had insurmountable obstacles in front of them. that is what i picked up from history, and also the cycles -- as the bible says there will be times of unity and disruption. in those the cycles of history -- i think the study of history allows you to see that. one of the advantages i think i have is from an early age i started reading serious history. my mother got serious history books for me. it is amazing, but even in washington it is amazing people don't have a deep understanding of history. charlie: does donald trump? steve: donald trump has an intuitive sense of people in moments. people say is donald trump smart? not only smart, he went to
billy bush, how did that analysis apply to billy bush? take us inside the dilemma he faced. steve: we first got the tape on a friday afternoon from "the washington post," and i came to the same conclusion, look, this is locker room talk. this is not the guy people know. we dismiss it out of hand. behout they reaction would so over-the-top from the mainstream media and the left, so that night we did a little video to explain the situation and the next thing that happened the next day in the morning, people started dropping off at the campaign. charlie: governor christie? came later. we had a meeting at trump tower, reince came. reince is a fantastic guy, but i think at that time was
representing donors and where the republican party was. he was upset. trump went around they room and asked the percentages of -- reince said drop out now or lose by the biggest landslide and lyrical history. we went around the room. i could tell from the incoming of politicians and those that soe there is for them to be overwhelmingly stunned and shocked by how the media goes at it. theame to me and i said if -- it's 100%. charlie: you seemed to do that every point in the campaign, asking him to double down in terms of appealing to his base. steve: appealing to the working
class people, absolutely. that's the only time he ever got upset, he said come on, that's not a hundred percent. i said it is absolutely 100%. charlie: they don't care about talking about women that way? steve: they don't care about locker room talk when the average american has $400 in their pocket. you have seen your own home state, north carolina has been gutted for manufacturer. charlie: everybody takes care of that -- everybody cares about that, but if you can't take care of your family, -- they do care about values and respect for women. they do, and it is not just locker room talk. talk, that is locker room the billy bush thing is locker
room talk. he got 44% of the female vote, empirical evidence to prove it here to charlie: did you have anybody else saying he better get out of the race rather than reince priebus. billy bush was a litmus test. there was a line from the movie bunch," when you side with a man you side with them, the good and bad. him, but youcize have to side with them. -- billy bush showed me who sided with him. all he had to do was continue to talk to the american people and we have empirical evidence that i'm correct and you're not. not only did he win, guess the percentage he pulled in of the women vote.
people didn't care. they dismissed it. it had no lasting impact on the campaign, but yet if you sell likeainstream media it was he was literally falling into dante's inferno. traditional politicians will run .or the hills people don't understand something, the mainstream media left were not trying to beat donald trump, they were trying to destroy him and what he stood for. they tried to destroy him. people do not understand the courage that this man has and the will this man has. you know why he ran? his country.ty for he is a billionaire, he has an incredible wife, family, great business. probably if you look at material life, the most perfect life you could have, why would you go out and have that be destroyed?
a thousandn i list billionaires who would do the same thing who of they thought that they could get the presidency would go for it? steve: not get the presidency, you'ree to know what going to get when you do get it. look what came down, they went to destroy him the next day. charlie: are you trying to destroy someone when you simply describe what they have said? steve: they don't describe what he said. tape, itif you run the is not trying to destroy somebody -- steve: give me a break. go back and look at social media and the twitter accounts of all of the young reporters following trump on the campaign, how they were the opposition party. reporting thest
news, that has panel after panel in an onslaught. you know what he did, he was minutes.- go on 60 have your -- apologize. we were in the room he said no. he said i'm going to go down -- he took the elevator down, when outside and talk to his followers. we went back on the campaign that following -- the sunday night we had the debate in st. louis. the famous debate where we brought the women, the clinton accusers. charlie: that was your deal? steve: 100%. charlie: why? steve: because if you're going to have donald trump defend his
words, i was prepared to give them the opportunity -- we had the trap set and they walked into it only at the last second did the debate organizers -- charlie: debate organizers. between you and hill? who?ou and what they allow to happen with mark cuban at the other debate. cuban made a big deal to get in trump's head and they put him right down here. rudy said before him, i said, how is this they said we can't control it, we don't have security control. we tried to pull the same thing and i had the women -- the accusers -- sitting in the vip box. bill clinton had to look past them and they were going to confront him.
charlie: what does this say about steve bannon? steve: he's a good counterpunch or. i'm a street fighter. if i'm in a fight, i'm going to win. bounds of decency> is it outside the bounds? i don't think so. their campaign -- they had not gone after -- the mainstream and the left tried to destroy donald trump particularly for something like language. it would've been different. if they want to play like that they're going to have to -- we will ratchet up the stakes. they were the ones who did the cuban situation. i said oh, mark cuban, i will see you and raise you one. she was rattled and he was rattled. charlie: did she win by all of
the debates? steve: absolutely not. no way. charlie: the one the debates? steve: the first one i think it was a draw. st. louis the town hall, we won hands down. -- dominated the space. her new book says i wish i would have confronted him more. he was in her space, she wanted to get there. i think the question answer was spectacular. the threegn was in sections, first was march to the first debate. 90lots you have to be at 90, registered republicans have to vote for you, because a lot of republicans said he's not republican, he's not my guy.
mid-august to the morning of the first debate, i think it was the bloomberg pollster came out and said we were inside the -- up one or two closed the entire gap. the second part of the campaign was the three weeks of the debate. she was supposed to crash donald trump because she was a policy -- she knew this -- charlie: you think it made a difference? steve: the commie -- -- the comey --irrelevant. i think it was clinton cash and the greed and banality of the clintons. that is what we focus on. you don't need meetings, you had all the information you needed. the comey thing was background noise. we in the campaign didn't focus on it. charlie: americans didn't care
about the emails? steve: they didn't care as much as i cared. those emails are the personal emails that show coordination with the speeches and all of the favors. when she went into the secretary of state, who were the people who didn't trust her? say a lot about obama, but he is an incorruptible guy as far as standard political corruption, cash. what are they make her do? they made her have that before you have bill clinton do anything, going to notify us and have permission. that was not the right, that was barack obama and john kerry. the 33,000 emails have all of the clinton cash stuffed in it. is an essential?
you can make the case how corrupt they are without them. charlie: are you surprised you one? steve: i said 100%. charlie: wasn't donald trump surprised the day of the election he won? steve: the third phase was a sprint to the finish. he could see the momentum ticking up. he was -- omentum picking up. charlie: she believed she had the momentum. steve: that shows you how clueless they were. you look at the data and these places like youngstown, ohio where you can see the working becoming -- jake sullivan is the one voice in the campaign -- if you read his book, i see where bannon is putting this guy, look where
they're going. who told me that also is mark cuban. i kept saying you have to get to western pennsylvania, you have to get obama out there more. he said the weekend before hand they knew -- he knew they were in trouble. he said can you come to pittsburgh, can you open for her. she needs a tough time drawing crowds. he said i knew they were in trouble in pennsylvania. i tell you how much we thought we were going to win. roger ailes calls me a week before something like that and it was all this in the press trump is going to lose by 10 points, it is over and this scam -- charlie: he calls up and says he's going to lose? steve: no he says can you come to palm beach. he says we have some
alternatives and i'll even walk noncompete. he said were going to put the government together. charlie: he wanted to build a new media empire? steve: yes. charlie: against fox? steve: absolutely. he had one more round in the barrel. --er il's was incredibly roger il's was incredibly aggressive in thinking about the future. he had, and given us ideas on -- i think he prepped bush. hetold us about -- i think did a great job with candidate
trump at the time talking about the difference between town hall and how to answer domestic issues. fox polls, hee thought we would lose by a couple or three points. i was not surprised, jared kushner was not surprised. on the evening we got the initial exit polls it was so terrible and awful what we thought -- losing everywhere. even ohio and iowa i thought we did bad, dead even. garrett is sitting there calls drudge on the phone. i could hear drudge saying don't believe corporate media, these guys are totally incompetent. they don't know what they're doing. charlie: drudge is telling this to jerod? steve: to jared. pollshe first set of exit
came out everybody was planning for an early night. she was going to make her big speech, you could see the entire tenor. it reaffirmed that trump was going to lose by a landslide. i'm looking at the numbers and jared kushner -- charlie: what was the conversation with donald trump that night? says let'sd kushner see how it turns out, those are early numbers. charlie: donald trump had no doubt on election day that he was winning the election? he may have had some reservations, but i think he felt he left it on the field. people waiting in virginia till 2:00 the morning, they had been there since 8:00, you see the enthusiasm, insensitive -- intensity and polls tightening. we definitely believed he was