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♪ announcer: from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. has been it cheever to be a pseudo-since 1969. he has covered the pentagon, white house and state department . for 24 years he was the anchor of face the nation. he ran 2015. he is 18 emmys and has been named a living legend by the library of congress. his latest book is called overload. last week and here's this conversation -- that conversation.
[applause] > it is worth coming here just to get introduced by charlie. you notice he's not have his boots on, and he has purple socks. .hat are the colors of the ptu you know why? when tcu went to the rose bowl five years ago, it was a really big year -- big deal. i was just trying to think of something to say and i said if you guys when, i will wear purple socks the rest of my life. i had no idea they were going to win. >> what's fascinating is how you
came to write this. charlie: the conversation you had is issue of national security. theashington, which is i think ital study is the leading think tank in washington. henry in the clinton administration is respected by people on both sides of foreign-policy issues. they were having coffee with andrew schwartz who was with me on this book. here's the -- he is the chief communications and we were just talking about journalism and where it is today.
with all of this fake news and questions about what you can believe. he said this is a national security industry -- issue. we started this series of podcasts every called journalists. of 16 andmore podcast them and we 10 of thought this might make the usual washington report that the think tank has put out and the more we thought about it, i said if i'm going to do something like that, i people to read it. we decided to make the book out that is how this book came about. it was a fascinating process. what the book is about is that we are in the midst of a
communications technology revolution that is having a sound effect on our culture that the printing press had on people that day. the differences while the printing press improved literacy , it also was followed by 30 years of religious wars and it was literally 30 years before equilibrium was reached in europe. we are in the very beginning of .his communications revolution it is having a profound effect on institutions, but especially and we we get our news are right in the middle of the. -- thedoing it means
scarcest resource in journalism now his attention span. we used to live in a world governed by the laws of physics of time and space. they were our key constraint. this has come about for some come about >>'s has for several reasons current number one, the decline of newspapers. -- newspapers, as we have known them are going away. overve lost 126 newspapers the last 12 years. here's an interesting statistic. -- 004, 1 reporter
now, the number is down to one -- when you get out into the midwest and rust belt, it is not a question of whether people are getting biased news, they are getting no news from a libel sources. most of their news is coming from facebook and social media. .> 63% >> 63% now get them of their news from facebook which is fine. it is a great way to have communication with your neighbors. things that appear on facebook have not gone through the editing process that you would be used to seeing on the front page of your newspaper in days gone by. for example, cbs and the new
york times are -- are the good newspapers that are left. you can assume we don't broadcast or published something unless we have gone to find out if it is true. >> summoning people can be their own publishers. >> basically personification of the media. yesterday -- this horrific event in las vegas, social media was filled with all kinds of stories. shootert one was the was an anti-trump liberal who maddow.ato -- rachel -- it also said he converted to islam and associated with isis and al qaeda. all of those things -- those
topics, are absolutely false. i actually called cbs yesterday and said he converted to islam and i called one of the producers. wrong.otally there's so much out there bombarded 24/7 by the stuff and it is almost impossible to separate. charlie: we figure out what is true and what is real question mark >> i think the first thing we have to do -- joe and i who is a national security expert of it harvard said we will never defeat this by simply answering
every life. what you have to do is inoculate people beforehand, make them aware of what is going on and what they might expect. i think that is the best way to do it. the major reforms. facebook and google, four-time, were saying we are a media company. -- we are not a media company. we are a technology company and we cannot be responsible for what shows up on our website. this is a company that 62% of the american people are depending on it as their only source of news and many some news. i think possibility. they are beginning to do that and that is the most hopeful sign that has happened so far. in the beginning, this thing got away from everybody before we realize the significance of it. charlie: what would be the push
back? people become alarmed of what they hear and see if it is not true. is the push back we are experiencing a sense of credibility of news? >> yes. ellis may no mistake the russians are playing a role in this. there's no question that they are. the scholars at csi has done a study called the kremlin playbook. she has looks through central europe at the behavior of the russians. the russians don't drive their tanks across borders anymore. they found out it is much cheaper to use cyber and adopt a soft power method. basically what they are doing is driving local officials in making sweetheart deals with local officials, things of that
nature. they are doing everything they can to destabilize the press and raise questions about the credibility of the press and they've had marked success with that. it is what has been going on this country -- and thepeople agree only person they questions is present. from a: you came newspaper and forth, texas. texas. worth, --help them understand to use the electron on -- electronic media. >> we are focused on the bad
, butthat is happening there's some very good news. has found aon post way for newspapers to survive and i think if newspapers do survive this, i think jeff bezos is going to deserve most of the credit. he may have single-handedly done it. what they have done, is there no longer a newspaper company. i would add the new york times is doing very much the same thing now. --se companies are no longer they have turned themselves into media companies everyday product platforms.y of they put out newsletters everyday. they are finding more and more ways to reach their viewers. video or they put
out -- to supplement their news coverage. days, everybody went and covered their beats and talk to their sources and evelyn got back to the office about 5:30 and wrote for a 7:00 deadline and everybody went home and then came back the next day and did the next thing. now, all of these companies have completely changed their schedule. here's another thing. itthose days which i called gatekeeper era cat 3 television stations in town and everyone had good newspapers, people he -- people base their opinions on the data they got from those sources. now, with the channels we have, if you get your news from this
gettingver here, your one set of facts. if you get it from the source of here, you're getting another set of facts so, what has happened is we are basing our opinions on separate sets of facts. we no longer have come in data that we are basing opinions on so is it any wonder there's a partisan divide grows deeper and m?er question charlie: -- to someoneontrast that says we have our own facts, we have alternative facts. >> the oxford action area word
of the year in 2016 was post-truth. charlie: you said at one time it was sustained on everything theme in addition it was touched. have you seen -- >> no i haven't. charlie: how is it different? >> this is true. i said on television so many times that i have never seen anything like this. every time bob said i've never seen anything, down the hatch. they had designated drivers. but no, i haven't. i don't know anybody who has. this was the most unusual election and the most unusual year that i think i ever saw.
things -- youy say did that really happen? 2016 wasorite was in speaker of called ted cruz lucifer in the flesh and the devil worshiper society put out a press report and denied it. [laughter] >> they did. you can look it up. charlie: you were surprised that he won -- donald trump? >> yes. i was not surprised that he got the nomination. i thought early on he would get the nomination could i was up at harvard and said i think donald trump is going to get the nomination and boy, you think there was a lot of coffee -- coughing and eye rolling --
people cannot believe i came to that conclusion. he figured out early on and he knew there were people out there , especially across the rust belt that felt like they were not getting ferrovial and the government wasn't doing anything and i think they just decided it is not going well. i think that is a big part of it. he also ran a new kind of campaign. i think one of the things that she ranlary clinton is old-fashioned campaign and by that mean control the narrative, never put your candidate in a beition where she might asked a question she does not know the answer to -- control the narrative. so, she did not appear on many television programs.
she was hardly on the sunday shows and trump figured out early on if you caught up a certain number of television programs, you'll get on them and if you say something you will be invited on more than and he just overwhelms her with exposure in this sense. we took a lot of criticism by saying we gave him too much time and we did not push back. we did push back, but he was getting on television so much that you push back on this and he is out there talking about something else, so i think a lot of this campaign and the reason she lost in he won cap to tactics. consultantolitical from australia and he worked in some of david cameron's campaigns in great britain and he had the dead
cat 3 of all takes in the way that ran was say you're having a dinner party in a matter what you're talking about, if someone throws a dead cat on the table, you will start talking about the dead cat. over and over donald trump would throw a dead cat on the table. he would start the day saying something and if there was something that happened yesterday he would say something that had no relation to it whatsoever that before you know it, the rest of the day, the other candidates, both republicans and democrats were responding to what he said. he was not international halle partition, but he did have some understanding of television. charlie: you bring this up in your book. how did your country nominate to the least popular politicians?
>> i think there's a reason and part of it has to do with this revolution in technology that has changed. i think our electoral -- it is notsystem complete -- not completely broken down, but in worse shape for aoads in bridges variety of reasons. number one, the system has completely and totally been overwhelmed by money. redistricting, gerrymandering of districts, that has also had a lot to do with it to mow at the bottom line is we have made money so onerous, so awful that are best and brightest people are simply turning away him it and they want nothing to do with it. i had a young woman that work for me for a while and she
started dating a congressman who is a very nice man and she went home to tell her dad and it was like she had said i decided to go out with this bank were. he did not care about it was the was theepublican, it fact he was a politician. .he stopped dating the guy she got no encouragement from her parents for that. when i was a little boy, my grandmother thought i was going to be president of the united states when i go because what every grandmother thought about their grandson. charlie: my grandmother thought i would be a bank robber. [laughter] grandmother -- how many
people have you talked to lately my grandkidre hope grows up to be a politician. you can count them on your nose we have to find some way to convince our best and brightest that of service is something that is honorable and needed and makes this country what it is today because too many people just simply want nothing to do with it and i think that has something to do with how do you thatup with two candidates a majority of voters need alike or trusted. -- to the responsibility of government. his legislative goals have still
yet to be realized. obamacare repeal in place has not been -- has not happened. wall.s he will build a on national security, he talks about america first. there is push back on that. we don't know he is he will withdraw from the iran deal. you're smiling at me. you know what he is going to do? >> [laughter] no. no. [laughter] --rlie: >> i think you have to give him credit for that but i don't see
much else happening in the government seems without direction at this point. it seems more in chaos then getting things done. much -- asere are much division between republicans and republicans than there are with democrats. me,hen people used to ask they used to say why do you like -- when you come to the white house, everyone works for the same person. when you're up at capitol hill, they are independent contractors . to me, that was a great job. apt becauseer is there are plenty of factions as
a it -- and white house are as there are in capitol hill. i talked to these reporters up there and i will say if you want to talk to the kushner's at have their own spokesperson. to gary cohno talk and those folks come you go to somebody else. i've never witnessed a white sose quite like this one and much of it is not about policy. it is unfamiliarity with process. charlie: or unfamiliarity with governing. sayhey just need someone to the men's room is down this hall and the ladies room is over here in the cafeteria is back over there. it just helps to have somebody like that.
it is just kind of example of the disorganization. you just wonder how do they get y?rough the day question ma charlie: they pointed a four-starcharlie: general to bring in order in the twist continue. >> i think he has brought some order. charlie: the president? .> not necessarily order i'm told people were wondering in an out. i had people tell me that for five people would walk in and walked up to the president, with
or something. it is unlike anything any of us are familiar with. is the: much of a threat russian investigation to the president? >> don't know whether the president has done anything to then connection russians, but every action he takes is the action of someone who appears to have something to hide. now, whatever it is i don't know , butaybe i misread that why is he so reluctant to discuss that? why is he so fearful to have people talk of mark -- talk about it? it comes back to the income tax. if people were accusing him of doing something in conjunction to the russians, i would guess
it would be related to the income tax and it would be reflected. don't you assume that robert mueller is the power to look at income tax? >> yes. charlie: so he knows. >> i would think he would have the authority to do it. consensus inhere a washington that he will likely survive and be a viable indidate for the election 2020? >> charlie -- it is a question i would ask you if i were doing this interview. i have no earthly idea.
breaks the calm on wall street. we seeing signs of complacency in the treasury market? -- are we seeing signs of the in the treasury market? ♪ a correspondent for the pbs news hour. over the past two weeks come news our teams have been -- on the opioid crisis. in august, president trump declare the crisis and national emergency. mexico.ting from new
here is a look. pain.just numbs the like hers explains why the national opioid epidemic has been part of the back. in recent years, she turned to pills and cocaine to help block a fall and the anxiety of everyday life. prolonged stretches of time, she fights for sobriety. my dad and yvonne so i will-- i can't sup medicate. charlie: addiction continues to rage despite health providers and their many efforts, despite aggressive law-enforcement action and drop in death rates. wonderful forwork
patients, but this county still has unemployment and trauma. >> i heard from law-enforcement say they will not arrest their way out of this problem. we want to stop it earlier by getting other things in their life that are meaningful. charlie: welcome. >> thanks for having me. charlie: what talking about? what is the opioid crisis? >> 40,000 people a year die in wrecks.s -- car opioids.6,000 from the numbers have been increasing and they might even go higher report gets better. charlie: when you say overdose, overdose from what? >> a lot of people started from
prescription painkillers. they had severe back problems, injuries from her accident. there is legitimate sources of pain and the prescriptions for painkiller high in the late 1990's -- charlie: an addictive? >> yes. a lot of those people cannot stop themselves from being addicted and as the supply of , a lottarted to shrink of people were turning to heroin . new mexico, different cities around the country are facing an imminent of proportions that no in the criminal justice system have seen before. -- e are entire towns charlie: it is not any
particular geography. >> no, 82% of the victims are white. this is a problem that is hitting all across america. it is certainly hitting places that are blue-collar towns like huntington, where it used to be coal country and backbreaking work. those of the people that got on the pills in the 90's. 780 millionghly doses of oxycodone and hydrocodone have been shipped to west virginia. that is more than 400 doses per resident. >> here's a tiny town called kermit. , population 392, over a two-year. period one pharmacy had 9 million pills delivered to it.
when you think about it, that is why there is a significant concern. you have all these people and now when the pills started going away, they turned to more. charlie: are we doing about it? >> there's all different types of treatments. there's a treatment in rhode island where people are recovering from this and they are the ones on the front lines. they are talking in a way to someone that has in the disorder right now in a way that i can't. they can say i have been in this exact early rheumatoid there is same emergency room. -- the kind of pain they are
expensive when they have to have their dresses change decreases when they are playing a videogame. there is hypnosis and therapy and meditation. we are throwing the kitchen sink . charlie: this is something the government has to get involved and because of the scale. -- we'res on a scale talking about bigger than the , than anypuerto rico state facing these storms. problem. national charlie: what did you find in new mexico? >> the community there saw this .roblem 10 years ago at that point, they figured it was already running for 10 years and so because they had that head start, they were able to and seebest practices
how they can stop this. -- new mexico that is one of the times that you are likely to overdose most. they talk to kids at seventh-grade. they are also at an intersection -- at a crossroads for drugs come into the united states and it is almost like a walmart redistribution of the drugs. charlie: when pbs takes on a project like this, how do you toe sure you don't come down us broadcasting focusing on the problem? -- and ever present i eye. ever present
>> we talked about on the weekend program. we've had multiple sores about the opioid crisis and expect we will continue to this over and over again. this was a way for us to organize it and we expect to whatever broadcast all week long. in, you cantuned say this is part of something larger. charlie: thank you for coming. >> thank you for having me here. ♪
this old dog ain't about to forget maclie: i'm pleased to have demarco for my table -- that my table for the first time. the question is, have you get to become the prince? >> i've heard it a couple of times, i don't know. that of theious prince.on out of the charlie: -- i don't think i'm much of a singer. i think it is funny to get
labeled as something like that. orholds some kind of weight even being called an artist, i .till your weird about that in reality tour the teen and making up garage. it turns out some people listen to them and it is cool. i don't know. i like writing songs. know when it is going to work, why it is going to work or something like that or if it works at all. charlie: health and you get up in the morning and say, "i need to write a song"? mac demarco: i don't know. me, i think of it as i have
a chunk of time and i want to create things that fit together in some way. everything alone and hopefully at some period in there i can hit a streak of writing. sometimes it doesn't work in the comes frustrating. charlie: the conscience of -- areing a status on a you conscience of developing a stage persona? mac demarco: i pretended to be jonathan richman for a lot of years. charlie: what was he so great about? mac demarco: he has been doing it for years and years.
it is like a friendly invitation. he's not trying to be too cool. it is engaging. he wants to make sure everyone is comfortable. you can special. likeie: what about people a chair and who played here before? mac demarco: i haven't really seen him play. i don't know. he is probably playing in front of millions of people or something like that. charlie: big stadiums. yeah, exactly. i could see that being alienated, i don't know. venuessteps -- if the get bigger, i would prefer to do a couple shows at a smaller place than trying to do the
biggest one. it is always going great. , there is athis crowd and there is an open stage. it is not an art gallery. we're all in the same room together. charlie: -- think what is -- got all the bells and whistles, there's this huge label production. especially nowadays with the the lines aret of blurred. nowadays, people -- a lot of people go indie rock.
it has almost become a music genre, you know what i mean? charlie: you actually invite people to come to your home? mac demarco: yes. charlie: did they show up? mac demarco: yes, a couple thousand people probably. charlie: did you take them in? mac demarco: it was on the record. i have not lived there very long. stops,ed one of the last who in their right mind is going to come out here in you realize when the sun comes up it becomes this beach town in everyone comes here. i realize i was in trouble, but it was great. i was in trouble,
but it was great. thisie: let's talk about " old dog." " my old man," is that attribute to your father? mac demarco: yesterday about my dad got sick. how does he feel about it? mac demarco: i haven't talked to him yet. still waiting to hear on that one. almost nonexistent relationship with him. not trying to get him back, just trying to get that at understand what that relationship means. just trying to figure it out. old dog" iss
the title. did you start with an idea, a lyric? mac demarco: for that song? i don't know. i think i wanted to something about an old dog for a couple of problems. i don't know why. maybe a metaphor. -- just a shout out to my sister. just let her know i'm thinking of her. charlie: how about "one another"? a carefree: it is love god. guy. ♪
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