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i am mark crumpton. this is bloomberg. ♪ julia: live, i'm julia chatterley. live, i'm julia chatterley. scarlet: i am scarlet fu. joe: i am joe weisenthal. >> we're watching the dow on session highs. joe: the question is, what did you miss? >> watching the dow. are coming for wall street jobs. you want to hear our next guest on how it is time to rethink jobs with algorithms. join us founder, will in the next hour to talk about open ai and investing in artificial intelligence. impact,l look for any those results coming up.
julia: wall street is entering a new area. i'm industry and giving away to algorithms and soon, artificial intelligence. andnology in different ways using algorithms. trade across portfolios. analysts, social media, even data satellite initiatives and -- listings.ed forecast and valuations to make investments faster than ever before. a task that would normally take any bank or months to dig through. the start of develops machine to identifyorithms
>> a good question. i think the word automation covers a lot of nuanced thinking about how people do their jobs. there are some aspects of the repetitive and others that have a high level of skills. we talk about using aim is machine learning and we are looking at the ground work aspect. to doing muchf
.ore high order thinking understanding relationships better. behind red sheets and powerpoint presentations. joe: when your software is making recommendations of potential matches between companies, is looking back at the history of deals and m&a to find things that map against deals -- deals that were? is that the idea? quick fist. what do companies do today and what are the gaps relative to competitors and where they're headed. looking forward to find those matches. the company has entered into a new space and competing with a new set of layers, it identifies other companies that should be more competitive. joe: you hear technology and a lot of sound good on paper.
thing -- it is another thing to change workflows here what experience do use the on that hundred terms of getting people -- how they work. done ishing we have keep the associate in the middle of the process. one thing to recognize as no one will accept black box answers. the machine told me this. say the reason they will believe the analyst is the narrative. the narrative, control the narrative. answer questions that would have taken several weeks to get to her they control the narrative. >> a huge timesaving benefit. we'll cut jobs though. analysts, out of a job,
surely. >> it is possible and likely. what we have found in our experience is there is less of a substitution and more of an augmentation. it is empowering the analyst to do more. one thing we find is most analysts will tell us they never have time to do a good job because they're running up against a deadline. it allows them to do a much better jobone thing we find is t .nalysts will tell the augmentation part is what we need to emphasize terms of
making analyst better. . the augmentation part is what we need to emphasize terms of making analyst better. scarlet: doing all of that prepares them. what will dealmaking look like if the introductory bankers no longer have the job and everyone who is left our people high up the food chain? >> the way we imagine this is a difficult situation, because there are time constraints, we barely able to have enough time for one. what happens is it allows us to multiple hypotheses at the same time. a learningwe right now find th,
very basic tasks. the network graduates, spending relationship and can create better structures for those deals. element element -- it is not about spending time on that sheets. it is about understanding things better. i think that would make them a better -- then today. for to copy it -- confidentiality reasons, i cannot disclose but we have duty banks working with us. >> thank you for joining us. >> thank you. up,: lettingng into its stores, figuring it has more to gain than fighting it.
scarlet: the department store chain will sell amazon products and returns in select stores. the chief merchandising officer and incoming ceo began why asking what -- by asking why coal is working with amazon rather than competing against it? >> we all have to think differently. if we think about complementary strengths, what kohl's has is an incredible thriving physical footprint. what amazon brings is the tremendous reach and the amazing
brand. it is an unbelievable opportunity. >> that is an opportunity for you. amazon as returning the item. item. >> we think it is a great opportunity and a touch point with the customer to deep in relationships with new and existing customers. >> tell me how this works in terms of cost. who is paying for this? >> we do not share financials between the two companies. see whatcited to unfolds as we entered is these great experiences today. >> are you concerned about amazon cannibalizing kohl's, that you invited them into the store and they will take customers away? >> our starting point on this is
the ambition to be a leading omni-channel retailer. it is the marriage of our strength and physical footprint and of course digital presence. working with amazon, we think it is a tremendous opportunity. market and plenty of room . >> it is growing. that bringingcern in another e-commerce retailer, that may continue the growth or prison -- prevented from continuing in the same way? believe there is plenty. we do what we do really well. >> they will then get really used to having -- i don't think so. no pure -- no. we are excited about the
relationship. we will learn a lot more. >> u.s. retailers not releasing order to stay abroad geographically. said you were reducing the number of your stores. does that help the store strategy? >> i think it is a great example of using the space differently. number of yourenge stores. ourselves to think differently. the customers are evolving in the industry is evolving. 200, taking a chunk, reducing inventory in those stores paid you get a space for those experiences.
>> the national retail federation printing a 4% in sales. is that something expected as well, around that number? >> i will not comment on sales. i will tell you i was feel that holiday is -- black friday, the holiday campaign. it is a tremendously dynamic time in retail and i am sure your that from others. it raises the bar for us, which some say is daunting. i find it exciting and it forces think differently and outside of the box. >> 2018, you are ceo elect. >> 2018, you are ceo elect. what are your plans for calls>>.
what are your plans for calls as you take on here? do you have specific things you achieve? >> i am honored and excited about the responsibility that will take place come next may. kevin and i will be partnering for years. my big focus is delivering a holiday. in may, -- the chiefs merchandising officer and incoming ceo speaking with them a contra. >> now i look at some of the biggest business stories in the news right now. giantzil, the e-commerce into their biggest economy. shares rebounded today hours after amazon opened its brazil marketplace for electronics with no free shipping details were deliveries. -- or deliveries. amazon invests heavily in logistics, which they call unlikely in the short-term. ting map with apple to make --
managing machinery, and power plants. to ramp up sales and software services. >> we're looking at shares of snap falling. julie hyman is here with the details. usually, a pretty outspoken analyst. pretty colorful in his notes. literally, his note says it -- about his neutral rating on it. usually, a ofack april 4 2017. there are not that many to play the migration of individual consumers to mobile. you see the stock is not performing well.
growth has slowed down. not making money off of these folks. >> i remember when i went public. i'm not a millennial and never used it. a low of just over 11 back in late july. it is now close to 16. some people think there is some life there. >> he still has the rating and is not alone in being not correct. you have got the largest chunk of analysts on the stock. there are 10 eyes here.
he is not optimistic when it comes to revenue. he is less optimistic. >> worst-case scenario, seven dollars. >> if you look at earnings estimates, there are losses as far as the eye can see. one thing pointed out in particular, the average revenue per user. this is a quarter growth for north american average revenue per user. in the second quarter. his forecast when he initiated, 28%. >> it is a big drop-off. >> thank you.
scarlet: john cody reigns in you is equities and europe as well despite headwinds in weight -- places like spain and italy and elections next year. everyone is focused on growth, the best seen in over a decade. if you look at it, it is doing the best level since the first half of toy 15. the bottom half shows volatility or in this case, lack thereof. it fell to an all-time low today. year, it is down 40%.
of volatility for stoxx 50 is actually rising which suit just investors are paying to hedge against turbulence in the market. central bank policy errors seen risk. biggest tell the ecb next week. >> what about policies for something like government around the world? creating some excitement this low tax rate low tax rate rati.
about what we can see in terms of the high tax rate outperforming the low tax rate. as you see coming over the right-hand side, even in october, we have seen the optimism voice on september fading away. it is the high international sales company, and those inflows over there, fueling optimism there. get tax reform, companies can be happy global growth is good. we talk about mobile growth, one of the themes of the year. this is what it looks like. .ear-over-year export they're all going straight up. shipping and things like that, up 35% all going in the right direction. science for the economy.
s&p climbing for another record high, the dow closing above 23,000 for the first time ever. i'm julia chatterley. scarlet: i am scarlet fu. .oe: i am joe weisenthal welcome to our closing bell coverage every weekday. record highs as we begin with the market minutes. record highs for the dow and the s&p. for the dow it is a fairly big move, up to 0.7%, triple digit point move. joe: this is a big move. inrlet: and the housing came better than expected. nevertheless, stocks continue to melt up, and as julie mentioned, it is given by earnings. a big component of the industrial average, rising 9%. best day since 2009.
that is following revenue and profit that beat analyst estimates. revenue growth for the coming quarter as well is one reason thatnvestors helped drive stock higher. after five years of declining sales, ibm will show investors it can grow again. afterompany is up 2.5% selling the pharmacy management unit. it was accused of overcharging billions of dollars. ea is down 2.5%. theiraid they will close visceral videogame unit and release a star wars title that has been projected to add to the revenue line. a lot of health care companies, community health systems, a lot of back and forth. stock is down 7% after soaring 11% the previous two days. before that had fallen 9% as investors try to find out the latest on health care. we don't have any clarity on whether the president supports
the lamar alexander-patty murray bill. what changes, he says. joe: looking at the bond market, rates higher in the u.s. two-year yield picking up, perhaps some of it on growing expectations the next fed chair will not be janet yellen, will be someone more hawkish. 10 year yield up to 2.34%. we closed out at 2.27% last time, so it has been up every day this week. mexican 10-year yield coming down. remember yesterday we saw the peso rally, thanks to the news that nafta talks are not going great, but at least they are still continuing. so there is still biting long-term mexican bonds. julia: gold is climbing for a third straight day. the euro is also stronger. when we got to the ecb president, he will get insights with the qe tape reprint with --
tapering plant is doing. is doing. dollar-yen is stronger. we are arguing, watching for the election this weekend. shinzo abe is expected to win. then we quickly move on to the dollar -- you saw that strength yesterday that we will continue to see negotiations even if they are tense. costingurrency analysts -- casting their year and the peso forecasts. 18.7 mexican peso is for the dollar. that was one week ago. a quick look at commodities. oil gaining but still in the same range, hardly moving, under $52 in west texas.
gold slipping a little bit, under $1300, a fitting move with a higher rates. a little bit of a monetary tightening. copper, which we have been talking about, performing very strongly, just giving a little bit back at the end of the day, less than 1%. those are the market minutes. 2.0 is theump trade goldilocks rally that has risky assets steaming ahead but the promise of tax reform could be too much. steve mnuchin vowed that if congress cannot pass the long-awaited legislation, it will not be pretty for investors. there is no question in my mind that we can get it done. be securedinvestors as mnuchin is signaling? we are joined by ed keon. thank you for joining us. so steven mnuchin has reasons for political reasons, trying to
push congress along, but is there a kernel of truth? ed: i think there is some reason to believe the markets are counting on progrowth policies. we are, but i would not expect .o see a tremendous fallback if you set 5% or 10%, but the market could do that for any reason at any time. we have had an incredible run. there may be a kernel or truth -- of truth. scarlet: is it too aggressive for fiscal policy? ed: there is a balance. if we are at full employment, especially with education, you throw a fiscal stimulus on top of that, and they did infrastructure, the chances are you start to get genuine overheating. we have not seen this in a long time, we forgot what it looks like. but the federal reserve will react to it. we will get overheating in the economy. julia: is that what makes you
describe yourself as a nervous bowl? -- bull? ed: we are well above historical averages. that is true of every asset class in the world. in the better values, and at this point it is not so much the values and the price of in one but the forces direction or another. in the case of stocks, you have earnings growth multiplied by expansion and things we talk about every day that are in place. for now the better place to put your money. do? but what do you seems like there are a lot of investors that change the situation because there is no other game in town, and to be fully invested to buy every dip, but they also look at the charts, whether it is buffett's metrics or other things that say everything is expensive. is there any place out there that looks compelling? ed: from evaluation point, no.
valuation point of view, no. you need to look at growth prospects, and that is in global stocks, maybe a chill spill outside of the united states rather than inside. scarlet: when was the last time you felt like a nervous bull? what is this reminiscent of? ed: probably back to the 1990's, really, 1999 or so. i had a similar feeling. this was one of those things where there are some folks that turn conservative in 1996, and it was years before we actually cycle back in the stock market. it is not necessarily a good timing tool, saying what is the expected return. it is lower. i think we have a way to go as long as we are getting good growth and in every recession there is no policy mistake.
we have a bird further -- bit further to go. julia: you are on weight bonds, overweight equity, but prefer to sell a regular to basis. -- regulative basis. break it down for us. ed: let's say the biggest portfolio i run have a 70% equity allocation, 50% u.s., 30% bond. 22% for1% u.s., international stocks, and 3% underweight on the blind side where we have additional mandates of real estate. we are equally there. -- equal weight there. course,the bond side of one of the big debates going into this year was, are we about to see that bond bear market people have been predicting for decades, that never seems to materialize? we get it here and there, then
people are disappointed. what will it take to change a long-term trajectory no door inflation, like the labor market will get some tracks. but it is interesting because to some degree we are discounting some of the data because of the natural disasters. there may be things happening underneath the surface where we say the data cannot be trusted. at the same time you have good growth around the world, low levels of unemployment, it is possible we might see -- it is a surprise pickup in inflation over the next year. julia: thank you for joining us, from q,. -- qma. estimates, 150g versus 148. the number i am paying attention
to is the full-year outlook. is $5.90, so that is something higher than what analysts had been looking for because -- actually on the 586.end because it is so that might be at least not as high as some had expected, but the stock is up 2.1%. -- ette: joe: adobe stocks are still shoring -- soaring. eps $5.50 coming ahead of estimates by $.30, and 2018 eps view beating estimates. that is very good. this is bloomberg. ♪
mark: it is time for a check to first word news. british prime minister theresa may said one thing is certain during a brexit talk, that the in. will leave the e.u. march 2019. she told parliament the government is ready for either outcome. >> i can confirm what we are doing is working for the best deal. but it would be irresponsible of government not to prepare all possible scenarios. that is what we are doing. --k: the u.k. in the e.u. and of the au are divided on how much the u.k. should pay to leave. is u.k. -- european union unveiling new measures against lone wolf attacks that comes after a number of killings and extremist -- in cities by extremist. the cr to protect major sporting
events and concerts. president trump and the record -- puerto rico governor will meet at the white house to discuss the recovery and rebuilding effort on the island after it was ravaged by back to. the governor has been supportive of president trump while the mayor of san juan has been outspoken in her criticism. much of the island remains without electricity several weeks after hurricane maria. global news 24 hours a day, powered by more than 2700 journalists and analysts in more than 120 countries. i am mark crumpton. this is bloomberg. ♪ the debate over artificial intelligence. couldn't do more harm than good in the long run? -- could it do more harm than good? bloomberg technology's reporter is there with a special guest. reporter: i am sitting with sam altman, the president of y
combinator. he is the founder of a penny i. he has made dramatic comments about ai saying it could be the next world war cause. is that future ominous? i think there will be good and bad. we have to work hard to minimize the bad. i think this is a technology that can sort of eliminate most human suffering, make life better. i am excited about it. reporter: so the mission is to have safe, general artificial intelligence. what does that mean, and how do you make sure the benefits are eva lee distributed -- evenly distributed? samuel: we will fight that as we -- find that out as we go. it is very hard to solve.
we have got to figure out how to build a capability. we have had good results this year, and make sure that it is long-term good for humans. reporter: how does the company research get balance and not get into the right -- wrong hands? samuel: as we get closer to building true ai, we will have to rethink what we share in what we don't share. one of the things we believe is part of the way you make this be good for everything is you make sure things are shared widely and have tools for the entire community, develop technology operatives and share those. we are continually willing to rethink how we do things. one of my favorite copies -- hobbies is to read about big projects of the past, and one thing that surprises me is how much of the change the planet as you go.
to tilt this and have a go as well as possible for humanity. -- build this and have it go as well its possible for humanity. reporter: artificial hasn't really come up. is that concerning to you? does that put it behind other countries? jeff: yeah, i don't think our government is taking this seriously enough. world leader in ai should be a national priority. part of the reason why it is hard is because it is easy to talk about globalization as the problem for outsourcing and this and that. you can easily understand blaming immigrants. globalization is one sector, but there is automation. that will change the world. to know what to do about that. reporter: and china has done
that, made artificial intelligence a national priority. they set goals to be the leader in a number of years. you think that would put america behind other countries? samuel: why i care about trying to build on the political influence is to wake our government how important this is rather than have china ahead of us. reporter: before the election you published a post saying that presidencyrump's could lead to a number of things. now we are almost a year into it, where do you stand? know, i am certainly happy so far with the robustness of the system and how little has changed, but it has been at the margins on things like immigration, renovation. the u.s. has the lead in the entire world when it comes to innovation and creating
technology. away from us, we will regret it very quickly. it will be hard to get back. watching sort of this anti-science, anti-technology thrust from the administration is disappointing. we arer: right now facing, the largest tech companies are facing scrutiny, we are not preventing russian interference on their platforms. what type of responsibility do you think companies like facebook, google, twitter, what do they need to own up to preventing manipulation on their platforms? samuel: this is a place were we need industry and government to work well together. we are not as good at that as we used to be. there are clinton's between freedom of expression -- tensions between freedom of expression and others. this is what the rules are going to be in this is how we are going to apply it. i still believe our government
is supposed to help set those rules. i want to see that happen. i think we need these platforms which are usually powerful and only going to get more powerful to really work with our government and say, here is what we are going to do. then we will apply this to everybody. reporter: do you think they need to be more highly regulated? samuel: they could be regulated, i don't know if highly. this is ok. technology changes the world, then regulation has to catch-up. now we need it to catch up. reporter: thank you, sam altman, president of y combinator. julia: thank you. we have some breaking news. scarlet: a change at the top for american express. the ceo and chairman is retiring. he is 66 years old. he has been in that position for 16.5 years. he is making way for the vice
chairman who will take on the chairman and ceo role. so he will be the ceo of american express, replacing kenneth, who will be retiring. this is effective february 1, 2018 or the stock is down 0.7%. also results with the full-year outlook. julia: let's look at ebay, continuing operations. , $2.41 billion. it is a beat. the problem is the outlook. fourth-quarter adjusted eps continuing operations, 57 to 59 was the estimate. analysts wereat expecting. the stock is off 4%. this is bloomberg. ♪
scarlet: mixed messages from washington, only a day after senators lamar alexander and patty murray presented a bipartisan health-care fix. now you have paul ryan and president trump coming out against the plan today. nine months in with the president, obamacare is the law of the land. we are joined by the chief content officer. joe: president trump came out against this, but is he against the fix? some of theagainst things, but he has made it clear on certain occasions he wants to see some sort of bipartisan deal get done that prevents people from feeling pain. i don't know if that is possible. his views seem to change every time he talks about it. julia: can we get something passed, because we had the executive order that counts on
insurers with a moment of hope. now people are signing up for these things. whether they can reach a bipartisan deal is unknown because there are various constituencies even in the democratic party about what should be in this bill. the democratic governor states are actually going to court to get the federal judge to declare the suspension of payments illegal. it will wind up that the courts decide this rather than congress. who is the president addressing when he says he supports the senators' efforts? is it his base? marty: i think it is more an emotional reaction on his part. he would like -- he loved it when they reached out to the democrats and prevented a fiscal crisis. he would like to see them get a bipartisan deal, but only on his
terms. scarlet: has he identified his terms? marty: no. he will know it when he sees it, and use getting various advice from different factions in the white house. julia: sounds like tax reform. we can talk about that, but i the otherlk about issue that is brewing in washington, and those are comments over the fallen soldier . and a florida congresswoman overheard. what is going on? marty: this is the combative nature of this president. this is something easily anyone could take care of. if he even said those words to her, he did not say they were taken out of context, but if they were, i apologize. an everurned it into growing controversy about how he handled it. joe: part of a broader thing, trump's role as the figurehead
has always been an awkward fit for him. he does not fit the model of behavior of previous presidents, and this is a situation where he should be solemn and sincere, and he is struggling. marty: he is not. i made the comment, has anyone not noticed this is a nonconventional president? at hisinue to be shocked behavior. i guess that is going to continue, but he will not take the conventional approach. julia: he is easy to take out of context. marty schenker, the chief content officer. next, the record highs for the s&p, dow, and nasdaq. abigail doolittle will talk with justin for -- to break it down. this is bloomberg. ♪
♪ mark: i am mark crumpton, tied for first word news. jeff sessions is defending the trump administration's travel in as a important tool fighting terrorism. he talked before the senate judiciary committee. >> the executive order is an important step to ensuring that we know who is coming into our country. it is necessary that we are proud to depend. -- defend. mark: he said the justice department will prevail in their efforts to enforce the ban. pakistan's military has new fencing and guard posts to
prevent militant attacks on both sides of the border. these have angled kabul. -- angered kabul. league isal football not changing its policy to require players to stand during the playing of the national anthem. roger goodell and others said today the league's athletes taking -- changing should stand to must stand was not discussed. >> we have about six or seven players that are involved with this protest at this point. and this is something that what we try to do is deal with the underlying issue and understand what it is they are protesting and address that matter. mark: when it was reminded president trump tweeted about the demonstrations during the anthem, commissioner goodell said nothing" -- there is nothing unpatriotic about his leg. -- league. global news 24 hours a day, powered by more than 2700
journalists and analysts in more than 120 countries. i am mark crumpton, this is bloomberg. scarlet: let's get a recap of the market action, the dow above 23,000, up zero point 7%. it was the outlier, and that is a result of third-quarter earnings. american express reported results and the boosted outlook for the year. is the news for amex chairman is retiring effective february. he is stepping down and making way for the current vice chairman who will take over on february 1. united takeover of continental, but we will go to ebay first. julia: you can come back to that. we have got disappointment in the markets, ebay is now down.
revenues actually were a bit better than analysts were expecting. the problem is the forecast below for the fourth quarter, eps at $.57 to $.59. the consensus was towards $.59 and $.60. that is accounting for disappointment in the markets. scarlet: let's look at united continental. a little changed after hours trading. beating analyst estimates by three cents, revenue in line with what analysts had been looking for. down 3% innue it is the third quarter. for the fourth percent they see passenger revenue for december down versus the year ago while october, november roughly unchanged. joe: and a correction on what i said about adobe earlier. these are numbers it is reaffirming. they see full-year adjusted eps
-- full-year revenue $8.7 billion versus $8.6 billion. that explains why this is surging after hours. julia: the major averages has closed at record highs while making fresh all-time highs during the session. our next guest looks at this asset close approach. here is abigail doolittle. abigail: joining me for this week's charting system is jeff degraaf of renaissance macro research. great to have you here. i love the fact that your work is across asset class. we talk about record highs for stocks, but not so much time talking about the credit markets. what is it on the credit conditions, and how do you tie that into the stock market? jeff: credit conditions are fantastic, and that is good until it is not.
if we look at credit conditions, one of the things we will use is the spreads of triple b versus double b. i gives us some indication how aggressive the fed is, whether they are subsidizing the short curve the or not -- the or not. it is not bearish. his bearish above the two-year yield, but until that it is good news. you can see on the chart we are still above 40 basis points from the fed fund. we have been above this are the better part of the financial insis, how it was inverted 2006. that -- [please stand by] that the markets are starting to struggle with the weight of policy, it is not happening yet. abigail: that is interesting,
because i see that in 2006, so the market was putting in all-time highs. are there any tells here, spreads about being supertight that would be in single that would inverse? not really. the different spreads versus -- triple b versus double be, they are at three-year lows. it is a good environment from a credit perspective. that smooths a lot of things. it gives you volatility, .aluation that can be extended the credit does an awful lot of things. it becomes mysterious. when the mystery goes away, it is not. abigail: we remember that. so what about the economy? we could be having the most in the mix recovery out of the -- anemic recovery, but you are thinking some areas are super hot. we have a chart that shows pmi. 60.8 if you look at that,
is the highest level since 2004. it is one of the highest reading, in the tents decile -- ecile.decile -- tenth d usually when they are robust, it is negative for the s&p, the reason being the fed is behind the curve in becoming more aggressive, taking away policy, in very -- inverting the curve. the fed has not caught up yet. we think this has the ability to extend itself to put more distance in some of these assets in terms of higher valuations, higher returns. it is late innings. it is more dangerous, but those can give you a lot of juice. we think there is higher ability that can happen. abigail: so that were dangerous, i keep hearing that since 1987, 1937, and now we are in a year
ending in seven, not good for fourth quarters since 1897. that you have a great chart that suggests this is nothing like the past. jeff: this is not even a melt up in our view. , and isalk about linear sort of a straight line. the white line is where we have been the last year or so. compare that to the yellow line, which is basically the two years prior to the crash of 1929. compare it to the blue or teal line, the crash of 1987. note when you got into the phase where we are most dangerous, these are all indexed, you were 50% higher for the dow back in 1987 in just a two-year timeframe. we were higher in 1929. now we are 27% higher. that is nothing to sneeze at, but it does not have the
parabolic melt up cents to it. -- sense to it. then inflation is low, focus is on inflation. of those dollars going to assets first then we feel in the other policies from a daily basis. abigail: i hope they don't affect starbucks coffee. drink that pretty frequently. all of this is pretty bullish. how do we break this down to individual stocks? jeff: it is supportive. there are stocks that are extended. most of the software names are extended. they should benefit with the melt up. we look for names that are in big bases that are emerging from the trading ranges, the people that have forgotten about them. intel, this is a long turn up
the geoeye 1983, but you could looking back -- from 1983, but you could be saying the last crisis from 2003, we really have been in this range ever since. you have given up almost a decade of no returns other than what you received from the dividend out of intel, and is just starting to break out. those are the charts we look for. cisco is doing the same thing. you could make the case for the financials look the same way. if you are uncomfortable getting google and thank, they are -- fang, they are extended. but if you look at long-term, these are the charts you can look for. abigail: good stuff in terms of catch-up potential and based on credit conditions of the economy , and what we are seeing from the stock market drift of that it does provide more room to go. great stuff. thank you. jeff degraaf of renaissance
♪ nothing radical in terms of china's economic forecast from president xi jinping's address at the communist party congress. but the priorities will be shifting to the environment. he mentioned that word 89 times, up from 74 in his predecessor's speech in 2012, or his previous speech. the economy got 70 mentions down from 104.
what does this mean for investors? let's bring in the senior asset manager from eb, known as alliancebernstein. does that mean? >> he is focused on the quality of growth more. the emphasis on the environment --the first state-owned or efforts. what we are seeing on the ground is a consolidated control by large state-owned exercises -- enterprises. private companies, particularly in the old economy are changing. -- what isu change the connection between improving the domestic environmental conditions and the city-owned enterprises? -- the state owned enterprises? morgan: when you think about polluting, what the government has been doing for a year now is effectively shutting down disproportionately plants that
are privately owned, consolidating control by the state owned companies which gives them more pricing power, and allows them to make environmental improvements and reduce pollution. julia: does that also help with the centralization of control and deleveraging, with financial sector liberalization we have been looking at and tailed off as we got to this congress? someone listed the inversion in the yield curve, this hope of deleveraging going forward. how is that for the yield curve? morgan: i think it is too iftain -- too soon to tell we are heading for meaningful deleveraging. the central working group that creates actual policies will meet in december behind closed doors, and then it is when we will learn specific policies the government will undertake in the coming years including potential deleveraging in the financial sector. this focusis there
on china? morgan: we have seen tremendous growth in earnings, 34% across industrial companies. they continue to trade at a discount to the broad market in some uses -- cases. joe: you said we will still learn more about specific policies. nonetheless, people notice he did not say much about major state enterprises or financial market liberalization, if there were changes on the currency. you surprised from the economic agenda that it seemed modest? morgan: this was a political meeting, consolidating political control and naming the next standing committee. it will be in a couple months we hear about specific policies. scarlet: i want to go back to the inverted yield curve. this highlights the spread between the five and 10 year for china. that is the white line. it is inverted the second time
this year. usually we can attention to these because it is a reliably indicator. that is not what we are saying? morgan: they economy is growing at 6.5%. if it slows down, it is 6%, so i don't think the yield curve is telling us about the economic direction. china's equity markets are large, but there is a lot of official influence in pricing. the prices do not really reflect market forces like other we cannot such that infer as much as that for the economy or stock market as we might for the united states. julia: there has been a lot of excitement about emerging markets, but a third of the gains in equities are as a result from the big tex stocks. -- tech stocks. etfe else do you like morgan:? morgan:in the last month, five
stocks in the emerging markets account for half of market return. they are the bank stocks of emerging markets, companies focused on e-commerce and mobile. you have alibaba, baidu, tencent, samsung, companies and e-commerce gaining business -- or gaming businesses. they have shown strong earnings growth like in the united states by a large. there is another set of 830 companies in emerging markets which in many cases are also delivering stronger growth and have not seen multiple data this month. a lot of things on the stock exchange, they have good experience. they will look for the next thing. the next leg up in emerging markets is water-based. -- broader based. julia: thank you so much, morgan harting.
♪ julia: it is time for the business flash, looking at the biggest stories in the news right now. a shakeup at the border. ceo of the french national food giant, effective december 1. he takes over after the other man becomes honorary chairman and will be the strategic committee of the board. signing up for milton new tracking service, writing on
demand services like netflix. agents, producers, and have aided in negotiating with dreaming companies which will take in eight alien dollars on content -- billion dollars on content. it will support international viewers. kannel --xpress ceo tennis channel is stepping down chenault is stepping down. he will be succeeded by the company vice-chairman. that is the business flash update. for more on the breaking news, american express, we are joined by the u.s. finance team leader. so he presided over a 90% rise in stocks since he took over, but that has trailed from yesterday. >> for years this was a strong
performance. the last few years it has been tougher. we have had a lot of competition whether it is established firms like j.p. morgan have gotten into prime card space, or ups darts -- upstarts like paypal. they have had some challenges trying to deal with that. joe: i looking at the chart of the stock, so in early 2016, people were trying to panic about them. they were losing deals with people. the stock is now close to the all-time highs again. is there a sense they are back on the right track after high-profile lookups? -- hookups? --hael: certainly they have they release earnings today, boosted their for your guidance for that. they are in our -- four-year guidance for that.
i think he did not want to leave in the middle of turmoil. he spoke to that in the press release about the handoff, saying they feel it there on firm ground to do this. they will do it in february. julia: the right time. michael: it does feel stable. joe: is there anything specific they did what they cited as how they got to this point of what was panic for investors in terms of course correcting? michael: with the appointment of the vice president, he ran the corporate card business, still there largest business. you see them lean on that lately. so i think the fact they are picking an insider who has been there 30 years does say something about the point they are at and how they feel about
the stability. you have warren buffett, one of their biggest shareholders, he seems to be on board with the appointment given with quotes. julia: there were questions being asked about what would happen with the leadership change, who would step into this position. we had executives leave. we had questions being asked. does anything changes materially? he has been in the office for quite a long time already. does it change the direction of the company as a result of the change? michael: i think there will be some continuity given the time he has been there. he will take on these challenges and the business is changing very rapidly. rewards are becoming a bigger piece, becoming more expensive for these companies. you have upstarts like syntax firms, so there is a lot to navigate.
staying firmly above 23,000 at the close. don't miss this, the pboc governor speaking at 9:00 tonight eastern. joe: and i will be paying attention tomorrow to president trump interviewing janet yellen. what kind of news comes out. julia: and verizon, blackstone, and dish all reporting earnings in session tomorrow. joe: and the founder of anger minutes of and home depot joins us tomorrow at 10:30 a.m. eastern. julia: bloomberg technology is next. joe: have a great evening. this is bloomberg. ♪ who knew that phones would start doing everything? entertaining us, getting us back on track, and finding us dates. phones really have changed. so why hasn't the way we pay for them? introducing xfinity mobile. you only pay for data and can easily switch between pay per gig and unlimited. no one else lets you do that.
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