tv Charlie Rose Bloomberg October 26, 2017 6:00pm-7:00pm EDT
♪ >> from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. china's communist party congress comes to an end today and the new politburo standing committee unveiled with no successor to the president and this comes after xi jinping wasn't tried in the party charter. -- was any party charter. he declared a new era for china, saying it would take center stage in world affairs and he merges from the congress as the most powerful leader in china in decades. on me from boston is richard mcgregor, a former washington and beijing euro chief for the financial times that his latest
book is called "age of reckoning -- the struggle for global dominance." and a staff writer for the new yorker, her latest piece is titled at the communist party congress, xi jinping place the emperor. i am pleased to have both of them. let me begin with you, richard. jinping come out of this? richard: as more powerful than ever, any budget arrivals, it is dangerous to challenge them and heresy to challenge him. he dominates not just the politburo, in the central committee, over the last year he has all of his people into the heads of the big provinces and cities. he is quite non-challenge will. the big questions is due what he will do with that power, that is not clear. charlie: he clearly suggested
china has a broader role to play in the world. richard: that has been the most astounding thing about this congress. a transformative event. xi jinping is not the story, the economy is part is the story. china for many years had a dictum for their foreign policy to buy this type. the same thing applies to the congress party as they did not go around with -- as a secretive organization or promote themselves. if you look at the material out of this congress, they are talking about themselves is not quite the shining city on the hill that an authoritarian shining city on the hill. it is an example for other countries in the world for how to develop and how to position yourself. in that respect, it has been a transformative event, this congress. charlie: who who were the losers? losers with xi jinping because he has eliminated so many people. a couple of senior people you
may have got up and did not get up. anybody who thought they may have a chance of being nominated as a successor is a loser. person who was the most important ally for the first five years of his term, i suspect we will see him stay on in some kind of advisory form. charlie: what do we say about this idea that he is now in the chinese constitution, with his principles of socialism, chinese characteristics in the new era? what have we learned from that? >> first of all, he is included is -- the fact that he is included is of monumental importance. it puts him in the ranks of mao and others. he now is completely unassailable in a way that no leader has been in decades.
is one of the given nation, the chief -- putting the country back in the center of the stage. xi jinping has thought, if mousy tongue was the founding -- mao was the founding father who made the country independent and unified and if others were the leader who made china rich. he would be the one who makes china strong. glory.tores its proper the glory that has been denied china to his opinion or centuries. that is rightfully belongs to the country. it is very evident from xi jinping that he wants to lead china into the center of the world. he wants the world to see the country, not as just another
superpowerbut as the . it is quite obvious that he does countrynd to lead the in the path of liberal democracy and wants to show that the model simplified ofas a discipline authoritarian state, that this is a very possible and ideal model of rule for other countries of the world. charlie: for someone who expected xi jinping to be a political reformer, that will not happen. richard: no, when you and i mentioned reform, we think of liberalization which leads to more like the west and america. anymore market reform. the chinese talk about reform, they are talking about refining their system. refining becoming the system and refining the hybrid economy in which you are getting, not just
state sector reform but the party forcing the state and the private sector together. he is not a political reformer. they just do not make any bones about that anymore. they -- it is much easier for them to do that because they have to say to people, "you believe in democracy, look at america, look at the u.k., it is not a model for us and may not be a model for anyone." donald trump is a real gift to xi jinping as the state of american democracy and politics is a real boon to chinese politics. and how people in china field about the chart -- feel about the chinese policy. that look at the buffoon running the world's most powerful country in the discipline leader that we have. strategically plans 30 years
ahead of times while donald trump does not seem to be in control of what he writes. the contrast is very evident to the world. especially at this moment to the chinese people who are thinking twice about what is the ideal political system for them to be living in. charlie: do you think we will ever see a move by the chinese to respect human rights? richard: not in the way we say. charlie: any way they see it? richard: the argument the chinese have poor human rights it is about lifting people out of poverty and giving people a better life which is more important. the human rights depends on an independent legal system, independent democracy, people able to challenge state power and not get in trouble for it. that is not happening. the opposite is happening. one groups targetedin xi jinping's first five years have
been activist lawyers. so-called rights lawyers. there is no change on the horizon. charlie: who is the strongest influence on xi jinping? richard: that is a very good question. i would like to draw attention to one person in the standing committee. the fourth or fifth right. -- rank. the is not so much the cardinal but the ideologue at the old bow. an interesting character who beened others and has elevated by choosing thing and is in charge of ideology, propaganda, party organization, party building. because he was once a professor in shanghai, he has left a vast paper trail. he is the architect of neo-authoritarianism and arguments against western democracy for china. i think his inclusion signals to me a hardening of the arteries
in china in support of their system. contempt fors, and western democracy and western criticism of them. charlie: the chinese see that what they are beginning to do is simply the destiny they already have. everything that has happened over the last 200 years has been in a direction. -- an interruption. jiayang fan: that sense of shame about what has happened at the hands of foreign forces 200 years ago. also, and inherent exceptionalism, that china is fated to be the most powerful country in the world. that combination is very volatile. and it can be toxic. china, chinese politicians and chinese people believe that it has been the west that has kept china down.
that so much of western ideology has been about containment. and a deliberate subjugation of the chinese people. --t is a very, very powerful that inspires a very powerful patriotism. but it also turns the people against anything that has the stench of western ideology, individualism, liberal democracy. that reflects a sense of contempt if you face anything western can derail progress in china. charlie: any possibilities that the regional -- regional will become alarmed and vietnam and , all willsouth korea feel a sense that the most come together in order to restrain
china? richard: that is a fascinating point. even know china is announcing -- it's arrival on the global stage, peak china, think about it, china has territorial ,isputes with japan, vietnam malaysia, indonesia, brunei, the philippines. the -- it does not get along with north korea, in theory its ally and has a big dispute with india and the like. that is china's big failing. they are telling everyone how wonderful their system is and how beneficial it is for everybody that people do not feel reassured. that is a big trouble ahead in those areas. the other countries i mentioned are all organizing themselves in part because of the relative decline of the u.s., organizing themselves together in ways to push back against china. jiayang fan: we have to keep in
mind the history of china in asia as the most dominant power. vietnam, of sick -- korea, they used to be inferior states that would offer tributary gifts to china. that relationship has always been one of appeasement and fear. the surrounding countries now, i must imagine, have a similar sense of fear of a growing china. also, this anxiety about being on the wrong side of china. the sense of both fear and wanting to appease this growing power are both present. charlie: china in its five-year plans has made he decision to move from being an export economy to a domestic consumption economy. have they made progress on that? richard: absolutely, maybe not as fast as some say but the
growth in consumption has been -- has outpaced that of exports for many, many years. it is starting to get greater parity with investment. that is one trend. the other big trend is about technology and china's greater technological advancement with a 2025 they to be by leader on parity with the u.s. in a range of technologies, like ai, as semiconductors. that is a big challenge for the u.s. and western countries to keep pace with china's advancement and manage the issue in terms of trade conflict you charlie: about medical things -- environmental medical. richard: massive investment in china, biomedical, the rice genome and that sort of thing, china is working on that. charlie: it seems that china has made financial and policy commitments to the future.
we didn't have long conversations about whether a country that does not allow freedom of expression, that will be an inhibiting factor. but you clearly have a commitment to science and the future. jiayang fan: that is true. for xi jinping, you asked about who he is listening to. i see a comparison between he and the first ever of china. -- ever of china. -- emperor of china who made the state what it is now, modern-day china. his catchwords work unity and discipline. if you listen to the party jinping's 3.5 hour speech, those were his catchwords. will be theat china greatest empire on earth. in order for it to live and
thrive, it needs to keep itself in order and it needs to make long-term goals in technology and in economics. most important, it is about keeping its economy growing at its people prosperous and satisfied. charlie: i did not ask about the chinese premier. richard: the premier survived. i always thought he would survive. there are always rumors before these congresses. the issue is whether he will have more autonomy, more ability to run the economy. as his position suggests, or whether he will be in the shadow of xi jinping. many people say that xi jinping and he are on the same page with the economy. but one person cannot take
responsibility for all of these policy areas and political areas, and diplomatic areas. as xi jinping does. i think he has to let go. they are quite right to talk about the unity and discipline but i am not sure this approach works in the longer term. jiayang fan: i very much agree. you sense from this party congress that the vastness of xi jinping's and vision and the fact it is all built on himself being at the center of all of these different streams of power. you wonder, given the lofty goals he has set up for china and for himself at the top of know, are they, you feasible, given he is one man and the country is as complicated. charlie: how old?
jiayang fan: i think 64. charlie: you suggested one people of the standing committee may be the most influential. richard: there are a couple, the number three or forgot, his chief of staff, i think is also influential. you have people coming up in the politburo, not the standing committee. charlie: any women? richard: no. [laughter] there is one woman in the politburo. [laughter] jiayang fan: i have been so demoralized by the pictures of the party congress over the last week. suits. of few women. , i would like your sense
on this but i feel like the women who do get in do so by towing the party line and the white -- and being rigorously confident. there is not a sense that they are pushing for the rights of women or trying to rewrite the rules and me -- in a meaningful sense. richard: they often come up to the party organization. i think you will find, in china, in the private sector, there is a lot of really successful women. there are a lot of arguments about whether china did emancipate women immediately after the 1949 resolution. whatever happened with that is not happening now. -- you would expect a bunch of people coming up through the system to get to the top ranks. they are not there. charlie: one last question, how did he do it? how did this man, a victim of
the culture revolution, rise to the powerful position he has? a magazine said the most powerful man in the world. jiayang fan: he has the advantage of being the son of a very prominent communist member who was -- of the: who was a victim call to revolution and who fought with mao. jiayang fan: by bounceback and served in a -- bounceback and served in a prominent capacity in the government. strategic in his reticence, and in shielding the world for the most part from the scope of his ambition, up until 2007. i think he has been a very astute deserter of the past few generations. he has said to himself, i want to be rewriting the rules like
mao. making -- putting china on the map. i do not want to be another colorless technocrat. like hu jintao. his immediate predecessor. he expected the first five years -- he ran a powerful anticorruption team for the first five years. his trustee lieutenant helped him. that conveniently wiped out many of his rivals. him.is a real victory for this moment in party congress. he has reached the apex of power. muchhe has harnessed as political capital as he can. -- how see how much
capable he is as a leader in instilling changes. charlie: president trump is going to asia, on his way to beijing. xi jinping is talking about making this a giant celebration for donald trump in a sense. [laughter] charlie: north korea hangs over them. a lot of conflict they need to talk about. do we know anything about how he feels about president trump? donald trump says he has a great relationship with xi jinping and xi jinping says he has a great relationship with donald trump. the chinese are good at ceremony and flattery. [laughter] richard: i think they will treat donald trump sumptuously. i doubt that donald trump will get much out of it. jiayang fan: i very much agree on that. i think that the greatest fear
columnist for the new york times and the recipient of the -- he is best known for attacking big ideas and competent issues and is a self-confessed explanatory journalism. his goal is to translate from english to english. his latest new york times bestseller is just out in paperback, called "thank you for being late -- an optimist guide to thriving in the age of acceleration." i am pleased to have tom friedman back on this program. can i start with the column you wrote today in the new york times? general mattis stand up to donald trump or he will drag you down. in march, you say i wrote a column in the form of a memo to , the ciatis and others director and secretary of state rex tillerson. you say that you are writing youher letter to mr. pompeo think would not necessarily receded and the advice you wanted to give. what are you trying to say?
tom: i am trying to say that, of these five gentlemen who we -- i thought would be the key boundary setters for this administration, general mattis, h.r. mcmaster, the security number, -- pompeo, the one in his class at west point and cia director. john kelly. the now chief of staff and former general. and rex tillerson. i thought they would build some kind of boundary around this got and constrained his behavior and put him in the right direction. does nottely, mcmaster have much of a relationship with the president and rex tillerson has blown himself up and explained why he was not castrated. not a good sign with the secretary of state. kelly, we have already seen what happened to him last week. he has been sullied by donald trump's must advertising ethical
cancer. pompeo, last week came out and said that the intelligence community determined that the russian meddling in our addiction -- election had no impact which was a lie. the intelligence community concluded no such thing and specifically said it was not equipped to look at that. is gone over to the dark side. mattis, the defense last man standing. charlie: probably the strongest. tom: from the beginning, never engaged in the north korean like themes of dear leader, you are so wonderful. all i am saying is that i think that, when you are the last man standing, it is not enough to just stand there. i think that, the intervention we need most right now is in syria -- not in syria or
afghanistan, it is with the president. it is in the oval office. i think it is getting so off, the president starts his day tweaking against a gold star mother. we know the stories. this is something not presidential behavior. what worries me most is that we are making big decisions. about taking things apart. and about initiating new things. whether a tax bill or taking down nafta or tpp. this is being done without a take on the world, being done for "i need a victory." health care, give me something to sign, give me a tax bill to sign so i can say i cut taxes. one day i am for this compromise -- there is no one waking up in the morning and saying -- "what world are we living in and what are the big trends." how do i align my citizens with these trends and take advantage of them? you have a sense of something
utterly scattershot. this is happening without a crisis. we have not had a crisis yet. they have all been self-induced by donald trump. a magic what happens when we have a real crisis. charlie: like what? tom: we feel we have to take military action against north korea, intervene in the middle east. god forbid -- charlie: somebody attack somebody and under nato we have to come to action. charlie: for an economic crisis -- tom: or uneconomic prices. my friends says there's moral authority of formal authority and the president has formal authority, he is president but has no moral authority as he is lost it all. he has lost the moral authority of most of the people around him, except general mattis. when the white house press secretary has to lecture journalists and say you would not want to question the authority of a marine four-star general, would you?
you have completely lost her moral authority and that means all you can do is somewhat -- summit the moral authority of his uniform which does not work anymore. this is going down a bad track. those of us in the news business, it gets worse every week. ,e saw this week, jeff flake the senator from arizona announced that he is bowing out and went out by saying that the president is in decent, dishonest. -- not decent, dishonest. charlie: joseph mccarthy and what had to happen, somebody had to stand up to him. tom: here is what i wish. the bob corker and jeff flake had done, made the exact diagnosis and then said, and that is why i am running. i will not let steve bannon decide this and i may go down in flames but i will fight these ideas. badll not just tell you how donald trump is but i will run
and fight for what i think a real conservative principles. he is not a conservative and steve bannon is not a conservative. in the middle east, they said, extremist of all the way and moderates tend to go away. that is what i feel we are seeing in the republican party. it is wonderful to critique donald trump but take it to the meaningful level. charlie: suggesting that secretary mattis and h.r. mcmaster and john kelly, rex tillerson, the go to the president and say -- "unless you change, we are leaving." tom: you can govern with your kids and sarah huckabee sanders. charlie: if we leave, your last best credibility is gone. tom: yes, because they have been giving him cover and it gets worse every week. i worry about their personal reputations, john kelly has hurt himself and rex tillerson has hurt himself. leaders in basketball, the best
players make everyone around them better. donald trump makes everyone around him worse. charlie: the interesting thing you -- no one, if believes donald trump will change. everyone who thinks that he is about to change, donald trump will say i was not elected to be any different than i am. that will be the argument he makes and he will call silly go back to his base and ask for their applause -- he will constantly go back to his base and asked for their applause. it is hard to say without applause, you are simply wrong, i was into my face and you are wrong. tom: my answer is applause are one thing, you can get a plus for 30% of the country, even if you shoot someone on fifth avenue. what have you accomplished? your base elected you not just to generate applause, i hope,
but to accomplish things and for that you need compromise. you need to change things for the better. these are people who said they voted for you because you are hurting. what are you doing to make them hurt less and thrive more. the from doctrine is obama build it and i broke it, you fix it -- the donald trump doctrine is obama build it, i broke it, you fix it. he always says -- i'm waiting for congress to do something but what are your ideas? republican and democratic congressman get together and reach a compromise, the only way to get something done, they run back to your base. are you the president of your base or to the country? do you want to make a point or a difference? charlie: you have senator mitch mcconnell, the senate majority leader, saying i am trying to get tax reform passed. this is a distraction for me.
the conduct of the president, i do not care about his tweets. i was elected to get tax reform passed and paul ryan says the same thing in the house. i am trying to get legislation passed. tom: what legislation? in what context? charlie: my house is on fire. tom: the the reason i wrote this book -- the reason i wrote this book, i am trying to say, if you want to think about the world and ask what are the big trends? what is in our favor and working against us and how to align ourselves with the best. if you say, i am here to cut taxes, why, who will it benefit and in what context are we doing it? that is what is missing from the debate. everyone is looking for a win. for what, who, what, how? charlie: a notion that the clinton campaign may have funded
the group that went out to create the dossier. does that bother me -- you? tom: yes, it does not surprise me, politics is dirty, donald trump skid -- his kid met with someone from russia, not something i am proud of. something we should find out about. charlie: we talked about this at different places, how do you know where truth is in these distant -- in these worlds? are we setting different norms? one of the most interest -- interesting speech by george bush 43, without mentioning donald trump, spokes about where he thinks the country is suffering. you knew who he was talking about . charlie: -- tom: absolutely. charlie: what used to be the norms and the references, you cannot do that anymore because those standards and norms, the
credibility of the people we have made credible. tom: entrusted. charlie: the people who have advised leaders. if the reader has attacked their credibility. best leader as attack their credibility. tom: if we cannot agree that black is black and white is white, that an african-american hovers woman presided over the federal building and at the acknowledged republicans and democrats, she did not boast about herself but boasted about the building being named for two fbi officers killed in action. if we cannot agree that that is what she said, and that what john kelly said she said is simply not true. and john kelly cannot come out and say, i got that wrong. i still have a problem with her and the way she behaved but i got that wrong. where are we?
black is not black and white is not quite an blue is not blue. charlie: you often have said to me, the question you have to ask is what happens tomorrow but the day after tomorrow. tom: it -- i learned is covering the middle east. it is all about the morning after. the morning after, i was just in london. to be there for 24 hours to realize they are trying to do brexit, pulling out of the european union and nobody has a clue what to do. what do you see? what is the lesson? that is what happens when the entire country swallows someone -- a majority follow someone who has a policy that is just one paragraph and no second paragraph. brexit, we would get out of the european union. boris johnson. and others. we are just going to get out of
the european union and it will be fine, there will be more money but no second paragraph. all these big principles, you will feel like a proud britt. nobody had a plan. if you want to know what steve bannon's ideas look like the morning after the morning after, study brexit. when he says i am a globalist, free trade, ok, i will except that you i will tell you, with my globalism, i will tell you how i think it works and why i think it can make more people better. youtly how good i can tell how we should improve it an effective and i will show you examples. show me a country thriving that is disconnecting from a connecting world and putting up walls and limiting immigration, show me that country. isn't north korea? -- is it north korea?
put a successor, suggesting he may want another term after the next five-year term. you will have to remind me what it was exactly, i would like to be head of china for a day. tom: that was in the previous book. called i in the book would just like to be china for a day. goes our democracy is not working. -- because our democracy is not working and we are paralyzed, we are partisan eyes. we cannot do anything big and hard. everything we need to do today is big and hard, health care, tax reform, infrastructure. date, hard things can only be done together -- big, hard things can only be done together. i would like to do what china does democratically, the way china does their automatically. the fact is they are getting stuff done. how it will end, maybe it will blow up, caveat for all of you
who want to turn me into a china lever. i do not know what will happen -- china lover. the country starting saying -- charlie: different emission standards for cars than we have. the leading producer of alternative fuel. tom: the world's first cashless country. my chinese friends do not have wallets. women do not carry purses. i quoted a chinese newspaper about how you can donate to a beggar. you can wave your phone over. that is what they claim. you can buy potatoes from a farmer on the side of the road with a phone. why this is an important thing. what worries me about this sucks uponald trump all of the oxygen in the room. we feel we have to write about him so much.
i do not want to on the one hand, i do not learn anything, i am emoting, expressing my concern. the fact is, a lot is happening in the world. i am worried that he entire generation of journalists and columnists will wake up four realize, inow and did not learn anything. i spent four years writing about donald trump. and a big thing happened in the 2001, the big thing was in , when we let china into the world trade organization. we thought china would reform and open. all of these performers. china reformed and closed. they used this to control their people. to direct their people more efficiently. and obviously to innovate. that is a huge challenge.
and their big companies, they can have something that's their cloud server in silicon valley but ours cannot do it in there's. some things are true, even if donald trump believes them and we need to keep those -- charlie: this is from my tom friedman memory machine. in previous books, you made this analogy about how you look at china versus india. india had a long-term goal. tom: when i went to india, people asked me about china and when i went to china people asked me about india. those countries really compete. charlie: we should pay a tension to india. -- attention to india. charlie: i got an -- tom: china is a perfect six lane
superhighway, perfectly paved and all the lanes divided. all people going 80 miles per hour but one problem, down the road there is a speedbump and it is called political reform. when 1.3 billion people hit a speed bump, what do things happen, the car jumps up and slams down. the other thing is the car jumps up and slams down and all the wheels fall off. we do not know what will happen down the road. lanes,a superhighway six happy sidewalks are not finished and most of the street lights are out and no lanes are covered. off in the distance, it looks like it smooths into a perfect six find superhighway. is it a mirage or the oasis? each countries have big questions about what happens down the road, different but big ones. charlie: why did you call this book "thank you for being late." with a new paperback and an afterword. book -- the title comes
from meeting people for breakfast and washington, d.c. and every once in a while, someone would come late. them, anwith one of entrepreneur came and said i am sorry, it was the weather, traffic, and i said -- "thank you for being late." because of that, i have been used dropping on a conversation desk eavesdropping on the conversation and watching the lobby. i just connected to ideas high been struggling with for months, so thank you for being late. people got into it and said, you are welcome. they understood i had permission to slow down. a group -- a great quote, when you press the pause button on a computer, it stops but when you press the pause button on a human being, it starts.
reimagine.-think, we need to be doing a lot of that now in the age of acceleration. the other reason i called it that, the book celebrates everything old and slow. -- the underlying theme is, in the world getting really fast and connected, actually, what matters most is the things you cannot download. things you have to upload the old-fashioned way. good friend too good friend, good teacher to good student, good minister to good flock, good government official to good citizen. the parent to the child. those old-time -- good parent to goodchild. they matter more. so -- interacting with each other so fast and with no barriers, as a parent, you will not be on your kid shoulder on twitter, facebook. if you have not built internal
software into your kid the old-fashioned way, with the old-time values, we have a real problem. that is why -- that is what i want to celebrate. that is the other reason i called it "thank you for being late." charlie: your other passion is global warming, does the u.s. withdrawal from the paris accord , will it have the great consequences we thought it would have? or will the private sector and other places pick up and lessen the impact in other countries? even though the united states says it will abandon it. tom: a good question of any type back to donald trump. the argument of the book is we are in the middle of three exonerations in the same time, climate change, one in the market, globalization, and the other is technology. they all look like hockey sticks. let's think about the news. my argument in the front of the
book, to understand this world today, this is from my friend who talks system -- teaches systems analysis, he has -- says never think inside or outside of the box. you must think without a box. if you want to see the world isle, you have to melt what going on in technology and globalization and climate, all three together. charlie: i would add what is going on in biology. all three of those you have to meld. let's talk about the news, two weeks ago, the news in niger. there are 1000 american soldiers in niger. four of them were tragically killed in an ambush. i happen to know a little bit about niger because i did a documentary on niger. what is the story?
why are those troops there? they took people by surprise. in the documentary, we started in northern senegal. at two is already degrees higher temperature. they have already hit the average or limit the paris agreement was meant to prevent, already a two degree rise and heading for four degrees. centigrade. literally off the charts. what happened is small-scale or islture has collapsed collapsing in places like northern senegal, nigeria, a molly, chad. -- mali, chad. a incredible hot relation explosion in africa, niger will be the fourth largest country in the world by 2050. they will be bigger than us. in niger, the average woman has seven gets and most of the people we interviewed at 13, 14
children. the climate is hampering the land and there are so many people, they -- the land cannot sustain them. in northern senegal, villages, the men are gone. from 18 to 60, they are gone trying to get into europe. they do it by getting to niger and go through a huge human trafficking operation. every monday, a 200 car cattleman with a lot of people goes to libya because we decapitated the regime in libya and uncorked africa. through libya, they spread out and try to get into europe. meanwhile, the competition over land is opening for isis and al qaeda. they will offer someone $50 per month. that is a kings ransom. you have these terrorist groups emerging, all competing over human trafficking and resources, land.
we come back to the trump administration. donald trump says we will help the french because they are operating there. i have 1000 guys and we will be back al qaeda. what is he doing with his right hand, eliminating all family planning funding for foreign countries. and at home. trying to cut all family planning funding. knucklehead,, the a nice way of talking about scott pruitt, he has been the study of climate change. -- banned the study of climate change. he is sending troops to niger with his left hand, they are dealing with a human tragedy and disorder, driven in great deal by climate and population. charlie: things he has turned his back on. tom: that is flat out stupid. that is not connecting the dots. if you do not wake up in the morning and say, what is going on in the world and how do we
tie it together? i do not want to send 10,000 troops there, but if we do not have a climate policy and a population policy, and a governance, helping them govern, all of these countries -- there will be not enough troops to keep them back. donald trump says he will build a wall. as for president, will it be deeper and wider than the mediterranean because it has not kept these people out of europe. the rio grande is a creaking found it next to the mediterranean. you have to connect the dots which he is not doing. he saying, i made you a plot and attacked planned parenthood. my base is applauding. i took away your climate change policy and look how the oil companies are applauding. --k at me, i sent green rays green berets to africa, niger. none of it adds up. it is completely
incomprehensible. that is a travesty. charlie: bill clinton said to me -- i said, what is the best example of political intelligence. he said, the capacity can -- capacity to connect. tom: in a more interdependent world, it matters more than ever . when the world gets us interdependent, one of the themes of the book, we have gone from interconnected world to an interdependent world. what happens in this world, you have a geopolitical inversion where your friends -- if greek and italian banks squander, we will feel it in new york city. they are in nato and in the eu. they can kill us. your rivals also fall and become more dangerous than your rivals rising. if china takes six more islands in the south china sea, we could not care less. wow,ina loses 6% growth,
this building will be half-full. the world is so much more interdependent. you think you can come along and disconnect from a connected world? and it will be better? show me how. show me now. charlie: are we going through a time right now in the history of the world, certainly in the united states where people will look back and examine, and say, how could they let that happen? tom: i do worry, i worry a lot because -- charlie: one of the questions people who oppose the president, but who very well believe that they should be in the role they have. you have answered this in a column, they say i stand between this president and what i think is a greater danger. i am doing my country a service. by remaining here. on the other hand, those say -- some say you can only take that so far, if enough people say no and resist, then you perhaps can
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