tv Charlie Rose Bloomberg November 14, 2017 6:00pm-7:00pm EST
announcer: from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. charlie: the essay has been grappling with the major cyber security breach. the new york times reports some the agency's most sensitive information has been stolen by an expert group of hackers. the paper describes how it is shaken the estate to its core. david is one of the reporters who broke this story. x having me.
me who didplain to what to whom and what does it mean. backis story really goes to august of 2016. it was when we discovered the depth of the russian hacking into the democratic national committee and the release of emails and so forth. it was just a moment when the pressure hack was beginning to gather steam. group whomonth, that don't understand began publishing what look like very of score -- obscure computer code. taylor access the
operations unit. this is sort of a special forces of the nsa. the attack against iran to .ripple their centrifuges that was the tao operation. the tax against north korea's missile program. the attack against the islamic state. this is the most critical group of cyber warriors that we had and it looked like they were beginning to hemorrhage many of their own tools. they probably needed the help of an insider and part of what we discovered as we dug deeper into the subject was that inside the nsa there may still be in tatters. they also suspect it is the
russians who are playing the central role in distributing this material to cause precisely the kind of chaos that was involved here. theseo found was that up ins were wrapped weapons that the north koreans and russians later designed and shot out against allies or partners. thatwant to cry attack crippled the british health system was a north korean design weapon of all was stolen from the nsa and the attack on ukraine over the summer was also based on a set of weapons that were stolen. >> it is like losing a tomahawk missile and then having parts of it shot back at an ally. charlie: who do they think they are?
they are a hacking group loosely affiliated with the russians or at least has russian money. when they write their ransom english they use broken and at the same time, they have a deep familiarity with the american system. there are a lot of cultural references and political references in their demands that make it clear if they are not americans, then they know a lot about america. charlie: who is jake williams? >> he is a former operator who my colleague found and he told writtenter he left had
some about shadow brokers on a company blog that he helped found in suddenly shot of brokers wereadow then heut after him and found himself looking at code that had references on it that clearly indicated that they knew of the operations he worked on so they were in pretty deep. charlie: in fact, he says whoever wrote this -- talking about hacking him -- either was a well-placed insider or stolen a lot of data. here's what your peace process. .his is much worse than snowden not only did they take the code words, they took the code. essence of this.
one snowden released his data it was damaging, but it was code words and damages whether it was breaking into the chinese leadership community system or whether it was breaking into angela merkel's cell phone. the realally releases code that was used. in the world of cyber, you all -- often have to rip up it again shifte your target changes. what works against north korean missile last year may not work against it this year. case, they lost many of their signature codes and they even lost some of the manuals. charlie: when you described this
as damaging to the world, what does that mean? >> if you are relying on the united states and its allies to be able to conduct the kind of cyber operations that we think might keep the peace, whether it is disabling north korean missile test or going after a country trying to get a nuclear weapon or trying to get inside russia networks, you have to believe this is incredibly damaging to the united states. it also raises a much deeper question. we focus a huge amount of our americano building up cyber offensive capabilities and we have done that with considerable success. i think it is fair to say united states is probably the best in at using right now cyber weapons in incredibly subtle way for this --
destruction and espionage. we haven't done is protect what we have got in this explains to you white is that in the cyber world it is entirely possible you can lose your lead overnight for the same reasons that general electric or westinghouse -- lose an-- lead industrial design overnight. charlie: is there worry of losing our lead? --there was worry without there was worry of losing it without the cyberattacks. you need and ability to figure out how to roam around the networks of the world and crack into the ones that are blocked. , timeakes a lot of work and attention. provedessy north koreans
pretty good at this. they did the sony attack. if north korea can do it, you have to think a lot of other places can do it. players.ans are big is as we have talked about, the new carrier in which countries compete and conflict without starting a war so big or at least hope there is retaliation, but now the state arrive every single year. if rush it is playing in the election space and now the nsa space, it is becoming an area of superpower conflict as well. there are also
reports that shadow brokers are trying to sell it. >> they had a fire sale the other day where they were cutting their prices. they wonder if they pay their money come up with a get the best stuff? that is an element of ransomware. people take a look and try to sell it. it is also a way to divert attention. if someone is trying to sell something, you may think they are in it for financial gain when in fact it is to throw investigators off the scent. charlie: before i lead you to think about the progress or lack of progress the president might have made in his trip to asia, especially xi jinping. did he gain anything in the effort to stop north korea question mark >> i don't think he gained much. we will have to wait until we
care what took place in the actual conversations. i think the trip started well and then went downhill over some time. i thought he gave a very solid in front of the south korean parliament. it was a speech you could imagine george bush or barack obama giving about human rights abuses in north korea and the threat of their nuclear program it was very much in the tradition of american presence. then, when he got to china, it was not clear despite all of the circumstances that he actually got the chinese to do anything that would change the trajectory of what the north koreans are doing. meanwhile, the other countries
got together and approve the transpacific partnership, so going ahead without us and i thought we looked pretty isolated. by the end of the trip in the philippines, with the philippine leader who is responsible for thousands of extrajudicial killings in his effort to run out the drug trade. public discussion of the human rights implications of this, even though he was sitting in the palace of a major american ally. charlie: thank you, dave. >> thank you, charlie. charlie: back in a moment. stay with us.
charlie: i'm pleased to have bob costa here. senate majoroity leader mitch mcconnell said more should step should step aside from the race. president trump will return from his asia tour this week and over the weekend he spoke proudly of russian president vladimir putin. he said he believed him when he said he did not meddle in the 2016 election. it is great to have bob in the
studio. senatebegin with the candidate in alabama, roy moore. >> you have roy moore coming out with five women with accusations. a new one, monday, spoke with her and then beverly young in alabama made accusations about roy moore, but he is defined in the senate race. they are contemplating what to do. can you have a write in candidate? he has the base with him in alabama. charlie: could he win? >> he certainly could. this is a state won overwhelmingly by donald trump last year.
up in the polls, but this is still a deep red state. people insideto the white house and they say it is difficult to make a decision politically inside the white house because the president is in asia. they're waiting for the president to take a firmer stance. -- lie: >> you talk about the chapters of this trip. that is how they think about it. they were before tweets and then after tweets. before, they felt good. charlie: started in japan. >> he had a good relationship with abe. nicelyought it was going and then in vietnam the
president started tweeting and showing his wrath about a variety of different issues including russia. charlie: what happened in the conversation with putin? what was he saying? i believe putin believes what he says or was he saying i believe what kuhn is saying -- kuhn is putin is saying? -- >> the present believes the aboutn investigation nullifying the election of last year so whatever he makes these not just the is conversation, it is the context of the broader conversation in a battle he feels he is raging --
waging on russia. best of my reporting, there's not a bigger confidant and the director of the cia mike pompeo. relationshipthis as someone who channels the base with president trump. because pompeo, the president has walked back, but that does not mean the president is somehow happy now. he still believes that steve this athat there is state line against him. -- what isx reform going to happen? >> the senate and house has to figure out how to pass it. it has been ruptured by the roy moore controversy and you have this major factor of tax reform.
should the corporate tax rate begin immediately or should it be extended? is suggesting maybe wait until 2019. >> in that is because they want to have it appeal to the working-class people. this is a mainstream republican congress. at the end of the day, most of them's tell me they want to make sure the corporate tax cut happens. likely they will get a tax cut -- tax bill before the end of the year? >> if they don't it will be a disaster. the senate and house are not close together at all. they are adamant it will get done. i'm not sure i'm hearing a lot of confidence rather than fact.
they still have to close the gap and you have kevin brady. he wants to control it. the senate finance committee chairman wants to control it. they really haven't had a unified front. charlie: they really cannot go without the tax reform. >> they want to make sure they have tax reform. >> mitch mcconnell and his allies are already starting -- they need to have a plan b. charlie: their plan is to say we have changed the judiciary. >> if they can't come to a
consensus on taxes, you could see them run into a grievance. charlie: what is your interpretation of the election? are trying toters -- starting to turn. suburban independent and swing voters are saying -- the question everyone has to ask is because of president trump's conduct or his policies. charlie: thanks for having you here. it has been a great banner year for the washington post. we will be right back.
when you draw on a page. >> the way chris thinks and what he is obsessed by does have to do with memory and loss as if each panel was in memory where you store a thought and find it again. drawing is another way of seeing, which we don't really do as adults. children see all the time. i think that is part of what the an artist is. getting back in touch with the sense and wonder you have as a kid. i grew up in a middle-class ever hooded and went to a private school with very small classes so i have the unfortunate experience of not able to reinvent myself every year. i was the nerd. drawing as a way to
control things and disappearing into a different reality. drawing a character and the hair of the character will get longer or i'm not paying attention to exercise, the character will get fatter. >> it is almost like he has so much that he wants to do visually it is like the pages are not big enough. pages anda series of one standing there and then you turn the page and you see the senator -- center of the page
all these other things happening. like theisual just colors and craftsmanship are beautiful. grays.e are some blue it is a language you can speak in color. >> for me, language is like a second color. somethingoing to be -- when i start to color they start to connect in ways i would not have otherwise predicted. if i want that to be highlighted, it might make things more blue. there's a tremendous amount of melancholy in the story.
there is two kinds of loneliness, being alone and being alone with another person. -- what is interesting is while the stories and people -- the images are bursting with light and color. >> the book itself is someone who does not see the world in itself. the world is actually is this way if you pay attention to it. see an to also -- edibly strong
>> stories jump forward and backward all the time. robots,e dreamscapes of characters at every age of their lives. charlie: is there a german word for that? what do you feel looking at that? >> i feel embarrassed that people are being so nice about my stuff. my hands are shaking. charlie: did he capture you? >> i don't know. whenever i see myself on outside, i forget what it is
like to be on the inside. i forget what my face does. that is the job of the cartoonist -- to inhabit the body so when a reader reads that, they can feel through that. charlie: all of this came from omaha nebraska? >> i suppose. it is the middle of the country, middle-class. charmed childhood. that is the story of hundreds of thousands of kids. charlie: a majority, i think. >> at least those going into the humanities as they used to call it. charlie: you were raised by your
mother? >>. my biological father left and i spent a lot of time in my grandmother's house. both were incredibly supportive and generous to me. renaissance paintings -- i would touch my head and wonder what they were about. hope -- y charlie: what did tenets mean? >> chol schulz i think was the first to create an empathetic character. take his heartto
and put it into every line that made so that the reader would go into the picture to back out through the characters. he thought not only for, but through. the fact that someone can do that with a simple doodle, he is capturing something about the being.f the tiny human that is really something there that is powerful. thisie: take a look at from my show in 1999. i suppose there is a melancholy
feeling and a lot of her tennis. cartooning come out like a lot of others, come from bad things happening. people say why don't you have charlie drop kick the football? wonderful, would be but that is not funny. -- teams of alleat time is worthy line grow recognizes that charge up and paid for her surgery. >> about every year or so i listened to an interview with schulz.
his such a warm person in a toaster not only in what he is seeing, but in the way he says it charlie:. charlie:did you learn about 50 him?- empathy through >. theacters trying to get pending members to look at her. charlie: there are so many references to your mom and grandmother. >> i think i'm lucky i was raised by women. havingle, i thought not -- le model david -- i feel
-- it is very strange. nobody cares about that charlie: . you once said anything drawing for the most viable skills anyone can learn. -- valuable skills anyone can learn. >> i think it is true. it puts you into a completely different mental state. it puts you in a state of being in a moment and understanding reality in a way that adults a doing.od at not we spent much of our time in a
cloud of remembrance in anxiety. trying to live in the moment is a difficult of helplessness and i drawing occurs -- charlie: tell us about windsor mckay. then as for essentially inventing animated cartoons. ability to divide time and for a language or gesture to implicate that it felt real. pictures as as in ance, it comes to life way that seems like there is
something that is moving. metheny to me is the basic engine of comments. george herrmann was the artist that i think took that. what did you experiment -- when did you experiment with ammunition -- animation? in art school. i like the effectiveness of comments. that you read them and make them come to life in your mind. abortion rather than making it happen i guess. i've started reading raw .agazine in working years
month or two on the phone. idea i have inry my brain came from him some way or another. certainly, taking your idea of drawing comics as a medium and artistshe efforts of and underground cartoonists and basing the presenting it in a way that dignified. i guess a lot of cartoonists did not like that. when did the relationship with the new yorker begin? >> i think in college. nervous and not up to
snuff, but over the years she has been extraordinarily encouraged. i think -- i tried to speak things as accurately as i can. charlie: when you see a deficit you constantly try to rectify? >> yes. charlie: i understand that. --ieving that you can see -- that the power to seems like a mountain, yet at
the same time. you have to look at what you have created and see if poor were just what it means? >> i try. that is the bad part. charlie: half-full, half-empty kind of thing? >> yeah, i don't know. i thought if i tried hard enough in kept going, i will get to the port where i won't fail in that is just never happened. when i look back, i think maybe that was not as bad as i thought it was.
charlie: you see a lot of problems? can you see a lot of compliments -- accomplishments? >> yes, but at the same time i think braun said something does -- there aree good a lot of unintended difficulties. charlie: what did jimmy carter and do for you? other than proving that i could stick with something for , certainly that. it also helped me pay the rent, which then changes her life
completely. before that, i was just drawing comments on the side. worryen, you have to about certain things. you start to get towards that moment where you start feeling less inventive. it is a difficult thing. i look at frank lloyd wright and how he reinvented himself. it is like he took the one thing he was avoiding and embraced it in his new work. i tried to do things like that, but on two hesitant. do to do anything i can avoid sin down at the john table. charlie: really? you think you love the most question mark -- the most?
hard or painful? hard, but started is once i get going it is easier. to the point i'm inking, it is not quite as difficult. i don't know. charlie: how long has this been in creation? i think charles myers -- i did not feel as the time i did not have enough work to make in our book. i don't know if i still do. once i finish my previous book -- charlie: when you finish, did prideel a great sense of or composition it?
satisfaction? if you work years on the book and it goes to the printer and comes back blue, it is ruined. well.printed >> it was an attempt to put everything. working in a production that all have to do, and especially in my generation doing occasionally commercial, it was simply drawings made to pay the bills. those two.nt to i like the jumpiness of comics. as fact they are dismissible a printed medium is important to me because it allows for an honest relationship. the finite world is not cut and dry. strip andd a -- rita,
look at a painting -- i think that is an honest relationship. i think the fact that people , i think to criticize that is good. coming about building stories. it is a book i started in 2001 and finished in 2011. the idea was to have a story with no beginning and no end. hopefully, that reflected something of a way to remember reality than the way we think we go through it. we meet peopley and learn about them.
you figure things out and put them together and sort of a mosaic in the whole book is an ,ttempt to make a dream book this thing that everyone sort of imagine's. they will wake up and then realized i made that up in my mind. to make a book that had that sensation. two is the woman at the center of it -- who is the woman at the center of it? >> she ends up getting married , but then a kid regrets giving up on her creative life. the book itself is the attempt to make that dream object where
she imagines and talks about her life in a flash. charlie: you like the tactful miss of books? -- tactful miss >> there's nothing more interactive than reading pictures and having something or boring if page you have the right decoding software. done a few things for animated things online. the language is no longer available. charlie: listen to what troll schulz said. he said once said cartooning was -- sort of profession.
you have to draw sort of well. if you draw really well, you can be a painter. , you wrote really well would be writing books. what happens if you draw beautifully and you are expressive, point it writer? he is from a generation of artists who create comics with ambitious imagery that are just great, emotional stories. he's been a good friend for mey years and kind of showed how to structure a story. from working with him and
beautiful book. >> appreciated. it.ppreciate charlie: you want to read or to take away what? alive. it means to be what else can we do? that is what i look for when i read books. be inid it feel like to the human body at that time and as accurate and as much detail as possible so i cannot make some of the same mistakes and understand how to live my life. charlie: you say by writing, not
sitting down and then adding an image is later, the allowing it to happen at the same time. that is what all writers to. once you get down to the business of writing, you are still filling in the cracks that come from the way one's brain is already connected. as a cartoonist, you have the added advantage of drawing all the time. it reminds you of something else and you into that space and it a continuous loop of memory and understanding that grows as you are working on it. and then something about the reading of the pictures that makes it tied to language in
memory. it is not like painting. -- >> since 2001. charlie: so it is coming out next year? is.es, part of it booke idea of working on a for 17 or 20 years is possibly interesting. fast as i can. >> some kid comes up to you and says why are you a cartoonist? frequentlyter asked actually. dad, is there anyone
excited about this book? >> i said i don't know. sad or dislikeou yourself? i said sort of. she said yeah, but you are doing this work and people seem to feelit and you should not bad. aarlie: you don't need psychologist. you have your daughter. else. is something know not to say. i'm flattered to be here. charlie: thank you for joining us. see you next time.
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