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wynn. he hopes to sell it for $5 million, more than three times the original retail price. so far no takers but he is using his la ferrari to take his daughter to school. sure beats the school bus. back to you. >> not knot a bad way to roll into close. robert frank, thank you very much. thank you all for watching. watch "fast money" at 5:00. "closing bell" starts right now. hi, ever been, welcome to the "closing bell" on moon, i'm kelly evans. >> and i'm bill griffeth. china's gdp number out last night was weaker than expected but not as weak as feared. but it has sent commodity prices lower today. not just oil, but energy stocks are also taking hit. we will dig deeper into what's behind that move coming up in just a few minutes here. >> and disappointment on wall street as morgan stanley under pressure today after the firm's
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financial trading revenue saw a drop of 15%. hear what the company's ceo has to say about the results with shares down almost 6% on the session today. >> many of its competitors are not down today. all right. we have a brain drain at yahoo evan has been talking about, two more people, high level people, have left the technology giant. we will discuss the impact of yahoo's executive exodus coming up. >> and ibm set to report right after the bell. the company's cfo will join us live before the conference call for an exclusive interview, shares down about 1% ahead of that report. let's start with china's economy, that has september oil prices lower today, dominic chu has the story for us. >> so, bill, kelly, we understand right now that the china slow down effect has been anticipated for quite some time. you could argue perhaps priced into the market but still we finally got confirmation of some of the worst levels of economic activity that we have seen since the global financial crisis back in 2008, 2009. as you talk about the shanghai
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composite over the last year an index overall that's still up 44%. so, yes, it has slowed down and this right-hand side of the chart looks pretty bad. still on the grander scheme of things we are seeing at least a more robust chinese stock market than some other ones around the world. we are seeing signs of a slow down. if you take a look at where the ripple effects are going, you talk about the oil complex, we're seeing a lot of this happen, brent crude, as well as wti, you can see here on an intraday basis down 2.5 to 3.5%. we are seeing weakness here. over the longer term, the last year to date period you can see a little bit of that move over there. year to date you can see that down trend continues, especially towards the summer months. as we take a look at some other parts, we always refer to copper, this leading perhaps indicator of global economic activity, copper so far intraday down 1.5% as well. you can see here over the course of at least the past year to date and one year periods as
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well copper has been on a bit of slide ever since we saw what happened in the spring. so commodities, oil, the metals, base ones in particular all feeling the impacts. kwet becomes whether or not some investors find this as a bottoming process or whether this slow down leads to more bad data on the economic front. there are those out there who say can you even trust the data coming out of chinese markets. back over to you. >> sure. that's the overaveraging question. dom, thank you. i read the most amazing stat in the journal today, the chinese economy in total size nearly twice as large today than six years ago. >> wow. >> try dealing with that one. now to morgan stanley's earnings mist on the street today, mary thompson is covering that one for us. >> quarter of disappointing earnings results from all the big banks, morgan stanley's were the most dis appointsing, missed estimates by 20 cents as profits fell 42%. revenue miss forecast by over a billion dollars in what the firm called an unusually volatile
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trading environment. the firm citing three challenges including an increase in legal reserves to cover a settlement, volatility in china which designated the value of an asia focused private equity fund and weakness in fixed income commodity and currency vang. vic tumbled. ceo james gear man who has shrunk and restructured that business brushed off decisions more radical steps need to be taken saying there will not be a knee clerk jeks reaction to one can quart's performance. the firm's wealth management and brokerage business posted lower revenue. retail clients moving to the sidelines. back to you, bill. >> all right. mary thompson, thank you very much. let's talk about all of this in our "closing bell" exchange for this monday, joining us today jamie cox from harris financial group, kenny poll carry is with us at the new york come exchange
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and rick santelli in chicago. it could be argued that all stories eventually lead to china. the growth there has kept the fed from raising rates, caused a slow down in global demand for commodities, on and on and on. do you agree? >> i do agree. as a matter of fact, i agree to the extent that as bad as it is in china i'm not confident the numbers will give us a reality. they have giving you a reality of a lower glide path. i do think eventually the numbers will get more honest with the economy but i think that's over a very long time of a lower glide path. just consider the crb index may be a rough gauge of the commodities, it was down 2.7% today. that's a big move. there were only two second force slightly positive, one was soft commodities the other livestock. yes, it was aup encompassing, the dollar index backed into that strength and held on it.
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also consider everything is tied in. global trade, morgan stanley's returns, the days of ge when they used to garner so much of the revenue from finance, they divested from that, there is a divesting in the trading back in banks. all this is tied up together and i think that the global economy on the way down there's a lot of denial what it means, but it means exactly the opposite of on the way up and i think it's going to be a long haul and i wouldn't look for china to give great contribution to the global economy, but on the other hand i don't think you are going to wake up any morning and see a dis strous release of data. >> jamie, on that note i saw in your notes talking about trends being the move from north to south. i assumed you were going to say with the global economy over the last couple of years, but you're talk being one important trend for you being the migration of people in this country from north to south. how are you playing this theme and can it stand up in the face of all these broader concerns? >> i think it does, kelly. i mean, what we're seeing among
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our client base and just in trends with real estate, people are moving out of the northeast when they retire, getting some tax arbitrage, moving to the south, being able to retire more comfortably and use the money they get from real estate in the northeast and use it for travel and other things like vehicle purchases and having fun and enjoying retirement. we saw it a lot happening from new york, new jersey, but we are starting to see it in west virginia and maryland which is sort of a an odd transition. we don't normally see that, but it's happening a lot, north carolina, south carolina, florida picking up a lot of those people from those states which are not traditionally states that people move from. i think those trends do continue and it does spell well for people who are looking to whether or buy homes in the southeast. >> i've been saying for years baby boomers need to find their retirement property early on because there's going to be a land rush that's only going to pick up pace as years going on. kenny p., what about this market? we're coming off of three straight up weeks despite head
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winds of a slowing economy and mixed picture on earnings and now this story of growth coming out of china right now. >> the story out of china was like rick said wasn't nearly as bad as they had prepared us for. 6.9% was better than the expectation and certainly much better than some of the calls that 6.3 or 6.4% which i think people would have viewed as disastro disastrous. i also think investors and traders are almost tiring of the china story, almost tiring of the fact that everyone is trying to he will it us that china is going to steer the whole global economy right off the edge. people are tiring of that and focusing once again back on earnings in this country and punishing certainly the stocks that don't perform well and taking advantage of the ones that do and so, therefore, you have this own internal reallocation going on in the states. i'm not necessarily surprised -- today the market was off slightly, off 9 points on the dow or 4 points on the s&p, nothing for anyone to get nervous about at all after what we've been through. >> a wonder, jamie, if you do co-give us examples of the home builders or other sectors or
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companies as specifically as you can that you think will be attractive in the medium term here. >> i think you could look at things like travel, i mean, airlines, i came to san diego last night completely full flights, airlines are paying people to bump them off flights, $800, $1,000 to come from richmond to atlanta. >> take the money and drive. >> that's right. that's exactly right. also hotels are full. i think also in our client base it seems like we buy a vacation a week, people are going on viking river cruises, i've been want to go try one myself, we're seeing a lot of our folks spend money on travel, going and using and trying to do those bucket list items that they've been wanting to do. >> how do you invest in viking, jamie? >> i don't know how to be honest with you, i think you look at the airlines, if you want to look at those people who are looking at viking river cruises. >> do they wear under armour, fit bits. >> the viking cruisers? >> oh, vikings, i bought you were saying biking.
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never mind. >> they do -- very active these days. >> vikings wear that stuff, too. kenny, is there a spark you are looking for that's going to move this market one way or the other. >> >> between this week and next week we have a slue of earnings coming out and that's going to be focus, we have macro data and housing data later this week i think the focus is going to be on earnings and what they're saying and what the guidance is and what people are saying about china. as soon as we want to set that to the guide in the back of everyone's mind they want to know what ceos and cfos think about the contribution that the asian economy is going to make. >> i thought you were saying under armour because you thought sand and a halfians. >> our secret is out. she only listened to her questions and i only listened to my questions. that's what that comes down to here. >> rick, we have to go here. levels in the ten years, anything substantial happen today? >> no. no. we're still hovering near or
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slightly above 2%. i think that will continue and just to put a real face on housing and get out of the denial, you know, tomorrow we're looking for starts to be around $1.14 million. in 2006 they peaked at 2.7, basically double the level. even though housing has improved, we all have to acknowledge that there have been setbacks, we are nowhere near overtaking in housing and especially new family formation which has the biggest contribution into the economy. >> you've got to get specific. guys, thank you very much so much this afternoon. >> hang this n. there with the cubbies, rick. >> 50 minutes to go in this session. the dow trying to get back into positive territory, the s&p down 3, the nasdaq is in the green by 8 points. >> up next, a leading yahoo analyst weighs in on the continuing brain drain at that tech giant adds two more high profile executives jump ship. ibm posting results after the bell today, we will bring you those numbers the moment they hit the street, plus t
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company's chief financial officer speaks with us include civil before getting on the conference call with analysts you don't want to miss it in all about an hour's time. >> that and plus more on viking coming up.
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welcome back. gopro which by the way is propeller with vikings rising on news that the wearable camera maker is hiring bul mccullough, the vice president of hbo sports to be gopro's new executive producer for team sports and motor sports channels. those channels are distributed across a number of platforms including youtube and facebook. >> brain draining gentlemania hoo continues as they lose two high profile jute tiffs now. josh lipton has the latest. >> marissa meyer continues to lose top butte nants as she struggles to turn around this company. the latest jacquelyn reses leaving to join jack dorsey's square. that's according to kara swisher. she will work at square capital which is the company's cash advance business. yahoo also lost its svp of
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marketing partnerships and platforms, we know there has been a steady stream of executives leaving yahoo including the chief marketing officer last month, suntrust bob peck says 12 key people by his count will vr left this year, that's vers us four last year. peck says the turn around at yahoo appears challenges and that could be accelerating these departures. yahoo stock down more than 30% so far this year. we will find out more about how the company is performing when yahoo reports tomorrow. yahoo declining for comment for this story. back to you. >> josh, thank you very much. so the question is will yahoo continue to bleed talent as marissa meyers' turn around plans continue to struggle. scott kessler joins us now. scott, you just downgraded that stock to buy from strong buy. why? >> well, bill, when you think about yahoo, there's no question that we see a lot of value
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there. we're still recommending the stock as a buy, we have a 12-month target price of $38, but the stock has risen 15% since the end of last month, which is just three weeks hence, and the s&p 500 is up just 5%. we're heading into earnings as josh indicated and frankly we don't feel so good about the executive departures and the potential tax implications associated with the alibaba spinoff. we see value, but we see risk. that translates to a buy for snus scott, this particular far tour i'm glad you brought up alibaba might have bearing on that. i guess as executive having a lot to do with handling that spinoff. does that say anything to you about the prospects for it here? >> no, not really. when you think about what most people are concerned about vis-a-vis yahoo it's whether they will have to pay taxes if they spin off the alibaba stake. the irs chose not to indicate that it would not be a taxable
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transaction and thus we are kind of left wondering if in fact that's going to be something that will hit yahoo and it's balance sheet and ultimately it's value. >> you know, every time i hear another story about marissa meyer that questions her strategies or is critical of what she's doing at the company to try to turn things around there's a voice in me that says it's only happening or mainly happening because she is a woman. what do you think? >> i think honestly that could contribute to some of the attention and scrutiny, but the facts are the facts and the facts are that she hasn't reignited growth at the company, she got people very excited about the new executives that she was going to attract to build a new yahoo and frankly a lot of those feeks have left as was indicated and now i think there is really kind of a broader challenge, which is why wr is yahoo going and how is the
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morale at the company? big, big questions i think for yahoo at this point. >> no question there have been some missteps, the alibaba story is a valid criticism as well the way it's been handled, but she has had to defend herself from day one. how many executives when they show up on the doorstep the first day have to defend themselves, even before they've started their new strategy and she has had to do that. >> yeah, i think, bill, the way that i think about it is she's just a high profile quarterback type ceo. what i mean by that is she has been a lightning rod. initially when she joined think about all the enthusiasm and excitement, it really drove the stock higher, but it seems like that's flipped and now people are as negative perhaps as they were positive at that point. that's kind of both a blessing and curse for being a high profile ceo at this point. >> just briefly, scott, again, this alibaba spinoff one of the biggest issues for them.
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if they had just done this back when alibaba shares were trading much higher they could have done t paid the taxes and still come out ahead relative to where we are today. has the market gotten too bearish now on either alibaba, on assigning a core value to yahoo's business without all of that that that's extremely low and in some cases negative. >> when we saw the barron's cover story talking about an anticipated additional 50% drop in alibaba share that largely marked the bottom. the stock has gone from mid to high 50s to now mid 70s. we have a strong buy opinion on alibaba. if people want to get involved in alibaba we vugt them do so directly instead of perhaps looking at yahoo as the primary vehicle there. >> all right. good to he so you, scott. thank you. >> front page indicator striks again. that's scott kessler there on yahoo. >> 40 minutes left in the trading session. wur not seeing a lot of
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volatility from the major averages, dow down 7, s&p down 2, nasdaq up 10 points. >> shareholders are waiting on any news of corporate governance changes at united continental after the ceo's heart attack last week. >> we haven't oochb heard officially it was a heart attack for the company. plus price squeezing and bribery investigation right side the latest issues to hit walmart. we will talk to two top retail analyst toss find out how these latest challenges for the number one retailer could impact walmart stores and stock still to come. it's more than a network.
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welcome back with the s&p roughly flat on the session today here is a look at where we're seeing the strength and weakness. consumer discretionary leading the way up almost -- well, .4% and >> and staples number two. >> healthcare having a decent session despite valeant's high profile troubles as well, tech up, we will hear from ibm after the close. energy the laggard along with materials as oils down after those china's -- chinese gdp gips today. >> it all makes sense after it's happened. let's check some of those movers. has bow falling on the back of disappointing revenue, the toy
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maker blaming the strong dollar plus a fourth consecutive quarterly decline in sales an games and toys for girls as well. >> urban outfitters has lost ground today, they downgraded that stock to hold from buy after the firm slashed its price target to $po from $49. citing concerns about the company's ability to keep up with other teen retailers in terms of styles and pricing. urban outfitters down 3.4% today. >> united continental grimg with though move forward following the hospitalization of munoz. >> we might hear more information this afternoon or certainly by tomorrow from the board of directors with regards to what happens with os after mun munoz. united at the time didn't even confirm he had a heart attack but did confirm he was hospitalized on thursday of last
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week. this morning the lead director from united issued a statement essentially saying they are the in the process of figuring out what happens next. in the statement henry meyers said the company anticipates it will today conclude the corporate governance process necessitated by the hospital zas of president and ceo oscar munoz. they expect to release more details tonight or tomorrow. their thoughts and well wishes are with oscar. if you are an investor you might be saying who is leading this airline right now. in august the cfo left to go to pay pal, in september the former ceo were forced to resign because of that scandal involving flights from new york down to south carolina and then in in month you have the ceo oscar money nose on the job five weeks he is hospitalized and some questions about whether or not he can return to his office as expected. will he be incapacitated? more questions than answers and
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that's why when you take a look at shares of united while they have come back a little today they were hit hard last week as people were saying what exactly is going to happen with oscar munoz and those who were put in positions or people he was going to delegate power to as he tries to move this airline from a rocky period to a smoother period, potentially smoother period. guys. >> certainly we wish oscar money nose well, no one wants to invade privacy this is f. this is a family issue, but he is the head of a publicly-traded company and there are a lot more questions than there are answers and everybody is going to start assuming the worst if we don't have answers to those questions anytime soon, right? it's pretty simple. >> i think that's a fair assumption. and a lot of people have said to me, well, why don't we come out and say what happened to him and how long he will be gone. they say not have that information. i'm assuming based on conversations i have had with people at the airline that the board does not have all of the information that it probably
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would like to have from oscar munoz's family. we don't know that for sure but that is likely one factor behind why it has taken them so long to give us clarity. >> phil lebeau, thaengs very much. >> 35,000 syrians have been displaced as air strikes continue near the city of aleppo. aid organizations say refugees fleeing their homes are living outdoors without food or water. >> the muslim tina rested for bringing a homemade clock to school is heading to the white house. he will participate in tonight's astronomy night, but officials say he will not get a one-on-one meeting with president obama. >> a sunken barge is snarling ship traffic in a busy houston port. the u.s. coast guard says the barge was parked and tied to a towboat when it began taking on water. no injuries have been reported. >> uber and at&t teaming up to
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bring riders free football. select suvs will soon have live streaming college football on tablets mounted to the car's head rest. the pilot program with last two months in four cities. that's it, you are up to date with the news update. see you guys in a hour. >> that's a great idea except you never want to get in the car. >> how long are people in the car -- i guess if they are going to the airport. >> you are in for a couple plays and out. >> if you get stuck in traffic, though -- >> it would be nice to have. truth. do you know what the cities are, sue? >> it is detroit, houston, and atlanta to start, that's where they are going to start. >> one of those teams is doing well this year. >> i know. exactly. they should have picked the cities based on kind of the football -- >> have it change along with the rankings, exactly. >> boston or something. >> more to come. >> i guess. >> our sue herrera. >> see you later. >> 30 minutes to go to the end
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of the session. despite the china gdp miss which is hurting commodities. >> when we tomorrow exact a top trader will tell us what he's watching as we roll through the final and most important half hour of the trading session. >> also coming up, ibm's chief financial officer smoking with us exclusively after they post results after the bell.
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welcome back. we're mentioning how the major averages in the stock market not moving much, but oil is, wti and brent down sharply today. brent down 3.5%. the price of oil has been in trading range between 45 and $50 since august and all the volatility at that time. a lot of the growth in china, transportation average, though, even though they have had a lot of volatility there, transports are higher today, up a quarter point, bounce frg that big selloff we saw in transports on friday, kelly. >> that's not the only glimmer of positive momentum in this market. i'm here with steven guilfoyle.
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you're saying you're watching 2035 on the s&p 500 for signs of momentum in in market. >> sure. that's the level we challenged earlier today. we sold off a bit, got the bounce almost where we thought we might get t had a tough time around 2028 but had momentum to the upside. if we could challenge 2035 and deep it and top it i'm feeling good. >> the chinese gdp figures, certainly commodities are reacting that way we we seem to be shaking that off. >> they shook off the chinese numbers around the globe. if we got something awful, we probably would have had some crazy rally into that was a lot of letters. >> i'm good at letters. >> so that didn't happen and now i guess it's back to this question of, what, watching the u.s. macro data? how much fnds on ibm, maybe chipotle after the hour reporting earnings. >> ibm, if you are a home gamer, that's the one for you, you can probably play a straddle and
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maybe get out okay, the others like amazon and chipotle they're too expensive to play both sides. >> these markets get a lot of criticism for being too short term focused. walmart, ge, ibm we have huge billion dollar turn around strategies unfolding before our eyes. >> this is a tricky time and tricky space. some people are trying to set up for a santa claus rally but smart people are saying not this year. you have to do your homework and pick your own direction here. >> thank you so much. let you get back to it. >> let's talk about walmart. bribery west coast hitting that company yet again. the wall street journal reporting this morning that the retail giant is facing allegations of bribery in india, this as a three-year federal probe into walmart's operations in mexico are wrapping up and will likely leave the company face ago far less severe punishment than was initially expected. let's bring in two respected retail analysts with their review of walmart.
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better flickinger and jan niffen. good to see you both. bert bert, it's almost like, never mind. doesn't look like much is going to pan out in mexico and now charges in india. >> bill, to your point on mexico, walmart spend over $400 million in investigations and compliance and as you referenced it looks like not much is going to be made of that. in india there may be similar i'm use, does not look like there are going to be charges or foreign corrupt practices act charges against the company. it's tough, though, because in some of these foreign countries it's a way of doing business. sometimes the retailer or the supplier thinks the developers handling all the local issues, doesn't work out that way sometimes. >> the real story here and it was interesting to see the wall street journal basically saying, look, that "new york times"
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story about walmart's bribery in mexico not necessarily as much as meets the eye, i guess, as much as people feared when the stock sold off sharply when the news first broke a couple of years ago. what do you do with walmart? do you feel reassured by what you're finding out? >> i feel very reassured by what i'm finding out. i like walmart for long-term investors. i think walmart has gotten cratered based on its meeting last week, nothing to do with the bribery charges. i think the bribery charges are -- i don't want to say much adieu about nothing, it's usually a local guy, pays money out of his pocket, the senior people don't know and it goes away with a fine or with a slap on the wrist because it's never at the senior level of a major publicly traded cooperation. it's always done at the local level. on the bigger front with walm t walmart, this meeting last week, they basically set a new bar and the market set a new bar on the stock. this they can deliver now against that new bar their stock
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should do well and they're doing all the right things. they're going to be an omni channeled retailer like in order syndromes and macy's they're going to invest in price, they're pushing all the right buttons, paying their people more, getting better cooperation, cleaning up the stores, doing all the right things. the question is can they get paid for that. >> let me push back a little bit, jan, and tell you the critics would say to all of that what they're seeing is higher expenses because they are paying their employees more and add to go their hours at a time when demand is going down, especially from places like china and now we have this reset that they have gone through and they're playing catch up in e-commerce against amazon which now by the way has a larger market cap has walmart does. so what are you waiting to happen that's going to push that stock price higher? >> i'm waiting for things to move on the walmart front. i'm waiting to see higher sales based on these things they're doing and a better omni channel
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experience and better sales online. if that happens they will get paid for it. but they are competing with a guy with a zero cost to capital so it is a problem. >> burt, how do you like the company's longer term prospects now that we know where they're investing an focusing their attention and why not. >> i have been counseling cnbc constitutional and individual investors that walmart is a deep value trap for the last two years, continue to see it that way. we're facing 1,000 day retail ice age starting next year, it's going to affect food, drug, dollar and discount stores. walmart is doing a lot of the right things but they are like the roman empire that had three great centuries and three declining centuries, walmart had three great growth decades, though they are going sideways, not winning in asia, not winning in latin america, got run out of europe, run out of south korea, they have got very good leadership now but there have been problems passed along for 15 years including
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failing three times during those 15 years. >> just to be clear when you say a thousand day retail ice age are you referring to walmart's new guidance or a broader retail theme? >> broader retail but walmart is a leading indicator as is urban outfit sneers why an ice age? >> demographics, people in the middle class and fixed and limited income are facing higher costs in nine of the ten disposable areas, price is the paramount consideration for them, being smarter shoppers, only buying for need plus the trend of thrifting, people aren't buying from mainline retail stores as much as they had been, particularly with younger shop sneers a lot of good will shops all over the country, too. butter fleck i thinker, jan niffen food to see you. the dow moving actually a little lower, off about 16 points while the s&p is down 2, the nasdaq up less than 10. ibm has made big moves into analytics and the cloud, we will
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it's my favorite story of the day, weight watchers surging more than 100% on news that billionaire oprah winfrey is buying a 10% stake in the company l assume a board seat, at the same time she has an option to acquire an additional 5% of the company down the road, but she invested $43 million. >> at friday's closing price of $6.79, as you can see there the
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shares are v. more than doubled today trading over the $14 mark gives them a market cap of over 800 plus million signed. she has more than recouped her investment already. >> she gets a board seat, she can get options, buy another 5% here as well and she will be appearing in ads. much more to come on this story. >> a lot of competition. >> we have finance guru jillian michaels giving us her reaction in the next hour of the show. she will join us at post 9. it's a big week for housing with housing starts due tomorrow, existing home sales on thursday but home builder sentiment out this morning picked off the data parade. diana olick shares some of the builders' optimism right now. >> it was no question, a solid jump in october to the highest level in a decade, but there's something weird in the numbers and i will get to to that in just a second.
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a 3 point gain in october to 64 on the national association of home builders monthly sentiment index, that's up from a downwardly revised september reading, 50 is the line between positive and negative. a year ago sentiment was at 54. here is what continues to baffle me, though. isn'tment is back to where it was in october of 2005, but single family construction in 2005 was at 1.7 million and the latest analyzed reading for this year is around 700,000, less than half. so i guess for the builders the optimism is all in the future. future sales expectations were the strongest component of the index jumping 7 points 2075, current sales conditions rose 3 points to 70, confidence in buyer traffic was flat at 47 that one still in negative territory. builders are citing lack of labor and lots as head winds but en investors say easing credit conditions could really help going back into 2016. >> our guest at the top of the hour said he sees such a strong pattern in people moving from
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north to south, especially the baby boomers. is that showing up in the regionally in a strong way in the data? >> no, actually the biggest jump we're seeing it in the west, that's in the confidence and that's where people build most, south comes in second. you are seeing a lot of new jobs coming down south and baby boomers perhaps looking for the warmer climates. what we see more is demand for big cities. that's what we will talk about tomorrow when we get those housing starts in multifamily. >> our diana olick watching the housing market. 13 minutes to go and the dow down only about 6 points, the s&p down 1, the nasdaq still in positive territory today. calm down, thea the message from anthony chan, the chief economist at chase. he is sharing with his clients and sharing it with us, tell us all about why we should calm down, up next. we can help guide your investments through good times and bad. for over 75 years, our clients have relied on us to bring our best thinking to their investments
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all right. very interesting. ten minutes to go here. we've been hearing rumors that the imbalance was to the buy side in a big way, 1.1, $1.5 billion. but the averages haven't moved. so it's entirely possible even at that large imbalance that we are going to see a pairing off as we go to the close here, a lot of people lying in wait or lying in the weeds as one trader
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said to us ready to sell going into the close. >> dow still down about 10 points, not much movement. >> anthony chan from chase joins us with words of -- soothing words telling us to calm down. what are we upset about? >> i think we need to calm down. we realize that market collection corrections are a way of life, we have had 4 of them since the 1940s and sometimes we retest, 67% of the times that we have corrections we retest which means we move an average of 4.3% lower, but on average it takes 3.8 months to get our money back w that as a backdrop, if you have an investment of three to five years we can afford to calm down despite all the volatility. >> stocks are taking in stride, certainly the china gdp figure, why do you think it is that the consumer names, discretionary, some staples are starting to outperform. >> everybody knows that china is slowing down but also going through that transition. if you break down the chinese
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real gdp numbers you clearly see that. the service sector actually grew a little faster, 8.4% and of course the manufacturing sector growing at 6%. so they are throwing a ton -- >> even u.s. consumer names. is that because they may have ex poesh tour to china. is there something more we should read into that? >> you think here in the united states we know that the economy is going to show some signs of life and of course that means the discretionary sector will do better, lower kmerj price this is year will throw almost $100 billion into the lapse of u.s. household. all that is going to support u.s. discretion naers and in fact employment is not doing so bad. just despite the one money that was a little weaker, we do see good positive trends. >> we just had a respected retail analyst tell us that he could see a thousand day ice age for the consumer here for the retail industry going forward. just, you know, not openly about china, but domestic demand is
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just not there as well right now. i guess you will disagree with that. >> i will disagree with that. i believe that there is a lot of momentum there as long as the employment numbers are getting better -- by the way, look at that national association of home builders index, those guys with optimistic, that's not a small ticket purchase. if people are willing to buy houses i will assume they're willing to buy a t-shirt or pair of slacks or dress at the mall. >> ibm reporting after the close. any thoughts on that one? >> that's the older technology, we believe that it's working really hard to try to reform itself, but i'm a little more excited about their new technology. >> all right. anthony, always good to see you. thank you for stopping by. anthony chan. we have a news alert on united airlines. more details now with phil lebeau. >> not a whole lot, but a little bit of information. it comes from the family of ceo oscar munoz. they have sent a note, an e-mail essentially to united employees essentially thanking them for
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their support. they said that they look forward to a healthy recovery. what's interesting is that when we were first alerted to this and we talked to some people inside united airlines, the interesting thing is oscar munoz's family that sent this note. it's unclear in f. oscar munoz himself has actually sent this. it adds a little bit of some clarity, but also raises some questions as we wait to see exactly what the united board of directors plans to do in terms of leadership at the airlines, but that's the latest, guys, back to you. >> phil, was this a press release or a letter or a memo to employees. >> not a press release, a letter sent to united employees from the family of oscar munoz. >> that's an interesting move. okay. thank you so much. phil lebeau with the latest there. >> we will take a break, come back with the closing count down. then after the bell ibm results will be out. we will break thoem down exclusively with the company's cfo martin schroeter. you're watching cnbc, first in business worldwide.
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chinese gdp numbers today. down 2.5% on wti back to $46. as i pointed out for the last few months here we've been stuck in a range between $50 on the high skied and $45 on the low side. guy favorite story of the day, bob pisani, weight watchers, one month chart, oprah buys 10% of the company, and it's up a cool 106% today. >> how about that for an investment. $43 million. >> oprah saying what else can i buy now? >> other traders -- >> more to come on that story. jillian michaels will be with kelly next hour to talk about that is correct among other things. one last one, ibm reporting earnings tonight after the bell. boy, remember the day when ibm was the bell weather for the market and economy. >> ibm since 2012 has been looking like this and the s&p. the s&p is up 60% since end of
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2011, ibm is down 17%. again, the simple story, it's very simple story, the core services, core business and that is software business as well as services is declining much faster than they can get the new business and that's of course the big data business and other businesses. >> all those former giants are scrambling to make this transition to more relevant technology, the cloud and other technology. >> one other company that will be interesting after the bell, steel dynamics, stlv -- >> we already knew. >> this is one of the biggest steel manufacturers in the united states. what's important with them, bill, they do a large amount of business in the scrap steel business and they buy strap and they of course make new steel out of it and they are one of the most low cost producers of steel in the united states. they are a very effective competitor to china and they usually have a lot to say about the cheap imports of chinese steel and what the situation is there. so that's one of the things i will be reading, that's also
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after the bell. >> thank you, bob. ringing the bell the chairman and ceo of consolidated edison, they are celebrating national cybersecurity awareness month at the nasdaq ringing the closing bell. we will get ibm's earnings and jillian michaels talks about oprah's big investment in weight watchers international. coming up on the second hour of the "closing bell" with kelly evans and company. see you tomorrow. thank you, bill. welcome to the "closing bell." i'm kelly evans. we did on the close, we had a big buy order. looks like perhaps that or other factors just enough on the bell to push us into positive territory, the dow going out with a gain of 18 points, the s&p adding 1 point, 2033 is the level there, a lot of traders watching 2035 after we held 2020 last week, the nasdaq, there's four decimal places for you, it was up 19 points today. a pretty good .04% rally.
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we are waiting on ibm earnings. we will bring that right to you. joining today's panel we do have cnbc contributor elon moy with sara eisen and guy adami and charlie making a special appearance as well. welcome. i guess, charlie, let me begin with you, guest first here. what do you make this have market, the fact we rallied despite oil being down significantly again. consumer names were pretty strong. >> that was mostly an etf end of the day trade, not much to read with fr it. a lot of people spending a lot of time looking at the earnings coming out this week. we have a lot of head winds, strong dollar, weakness overseas. we are all wondering how bad are these earnings going to be. >> are you still cautious on this market overall, charlie? >> longer term very positive, short term frankly it's going to be a tough quarter here.
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the eps is affected by the value of the dollars that you earn overseas which just aren't as strong. we've got weakness in asia, weakness -- some weakness in parts of europe so i think ibm is a perfect example. we're very long-term bullish on it, but i think it will be a choppy quarter. >> you brought up the dollar. share ration today the dollar rallied. just as people are wondering how much weaker it will get a different story when we look at it here. >> the focus is on the european bank, there is some selling of euros into the ecb, with the idea they might have to do more qe not as soon as this week but the focus and talk is heading into the fall owe pension alley december or next year sell the consumer discretionariy with the big central bank meeting. it's also the commodities story. you have the dollar strengthening, weaker commodities, reasserting themselves, a mixed reaction to the chinese gdp number, 6.9% looked a little better, but then it was below 7%, some were worried, what kind of signal
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does that send. that will be a question mark. >> in all sort of reverberations from it. each today electiones in canada, that economy struggling, there's economies about australia, the smaller once as well. again it comes down to can the u.s. continue to carry the water for everyone else. >> i was surprised there wasn't more reaction to chinese gdp number today. to the extent you are expect to go see any type of clarity especially coming out of the fed i don't think we will get it in october. >> why not? >> i think you are hearing out of the committee is stark disagreement between where some of the doves fall and where some of the hawks fall. that was the purpose of the some of the comments we heard last week from governors brainer and travulo showing the full level of discourse and debate going on within the fed. december is not a guarantee. what remains the fed's best case. it's unclear where the consensus is going to come from. the october meeting there is still a lot of uncertainty. i think you will see that
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reflected in the statement. >> guy, this market again showing bifurcation, those consumer names doing better but real weakness in energy, real weakness in materials. what do you buy here? >> the energy and the banks especially, jp morgan, morgan stanley and goldman sachs report, i know goldman bounced after, but none of those three were really any good in terms of reports and i still think there is another leg lower in the energy field. the ovx, oil volunteering tilt index continues to stay above 40, that is heightened in terms of where it's been historically. what do you buy here? well, i think you pick and choose. we've been talking about facebook, intra earnings on this show for quite some time. i each like goldman intra earnings. i was right for the wrong reasons. the stock about rally but it was a terrible quarter. i will say this, this ibm quarter we will take a big deal of it, but ibm is about to say is ibm specific. >> ibm looks like it's beating the estimate of $3.30 for its
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earnings. by 4 cents, reporting earnings of about $3.34 a share. we will have more on this in just a moment. before that, though, charlie, guy brought up the financials and let's show you what's happening as ibm shares quality. morgan stanley was also hit today significantly. you have a lot of financials exposure, charlie. what did you make that have report? >> it was a lousy quarter for the fixed income commodities and currencies business. if you think about an investment bank, they tend to own a lot of corporates and short governments to hedge it. when you get widening spreads, a morgan stanley is going to have losses. they also lost, they've got private equity investments in asia where they had to give back some of the carried interest. the bottom line is that morgan stanley is trading just a hair above tangible book and it's a better company than that. it should be trading at 1.5, 1.7 times booked and yet it's right about at the liquidation value of the company. >> let's get back to ibm. shares under pressure after showers on its earnings result. it did beat the revenue number,
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though, is light by about 300, $400 million chlt josh lipton has the details. >> a little light on the top, just looking quickly through the release those strategic imperatives, so what ibm refers torques that's cloud, kelly, analytics, security that was up 17% as reported. it looks like cloud revenue they are saying, kelly, was up more than 45% as reported and just looking through the major business lines here, in addition to those strategic imperatives, services, global tech services, revenue down about 10%, software revenues from the software segment ibm saying also down about 10%. hardware, revenues down it looks like about nearly 40% year to year. on this call we know ibm undergoing this big transition like a lot of traditional i.t. vendors, that call starting at 5:00 p.m. eastern and we will be on t back to you. >> thank you. guy, what's your early response here as the shares are weaker on
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these results? >> should be weaker. i think they lowered their guidance, i'm going through this now as well, but you have to ask yourself, this is not the first time this has happened. this is now two and a half years of similar reports and what's the right multiple? i asked, what's the right multiple for a company with declining revenue, declining growth in in type of environment? i would submit anywhere from 8 to 9 so let's call it 8 1/2. they are going to earn $16 a share unless they ratchet that had down, you have $139 stock and that's where it should be trading. >> guy, they did revise their full year 2015 eps guidance to 1475 to the low end of 1575. they are a dollar lower, the top end 75 cents lower reflect whag they saw at the end of the third quarter they are saying of course this company has said they never thought the transformation would be a straight line. listen, guy, it is a different story with a company seeing some declines but not doing anything about t in this case they're
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certainly trying. >> yes, kelly. i'm not trying to -- i've been negative on ibm for a long time now, the people that fast "fast money" and this show know that i've been talking this stock lower for quite some time because it is a declining company with decelerating revenues. they took that number down from 16.07, i think, even if you take the midpoint that's 15.25 and, again, what's the right multiple for that? even if you gave them a 9 multiple this is a sub 140 stock. at a certain point it's fish or cut bait. everybody runs in because warren buffet is low on the stock i get that, but his time parameters are much different than yours and mine. >> we also have charlie who is a shareholder. are you satisfied with the results? >> yeah, i'm going to have to go through t i do think they are not declining as fast on a constant currency bases. a lot of those declines look worse than they are because of currencies. they also have a big emerging market market, rick business, those businesses have been soft.
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lastly, there are divestitures, the organic numbers aren't adds bad as what numbers you just read. clearly not good, but in a transition period and we're getting close to that inflection point. >> i actually have the breakdown geographically. it was interesting to see -- interested to see the consumer discretionariy impact. for the brick countries charlie that you mentioned revenues down 30% but if you take out the currency impact only down 7%. still underlying weakness but obviously this is a company that's getting slammed by the strong dollar. >> joefr all third quarter revenue hit by currency to the tune of $1.9 billion. the full year expected to be hit by a billion dollars. make you feel more comfortable, charlie or look at the stronger dollar and know this could exist. >> i think we're going to start lapping the stronger dollar. i don't think it's going to keep appreciate yagt at the rate it has and i don't think that these emerging market countries are going to be in as bad shape a year from now. ibm is well positioned in things like big data. in the cloud, in software. their margins have gone from 35%
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to almost 50. things are turning but it's been a tough couple years. >> on that point about margins which are up not only on the quarter but over the past decade, 50% call it from 40%. at what point, charlie, is a shareholder -- i know they've tried maybe to get activists involved, some of the shareholders have in the past. would it benefit ibm to see its growing business with better profit margins spun off or increase the focus on it some other way while the rest of the business is shrunk? >> look, they've done a lot of that right now. this is -- you know how when you make an acquisition it's always in these interest rate environments, the opposite happening for ibm. they've been selling off businesses with slow growth and bad ma jins and that's going to be healthy longer term but any divestiture you do in a 0% interest rate environment is going to be die lieu testify to earnings and that's what they're seeing. i'm going to push back on that nine times pe.
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with modest low single digit growth like the staples, the food staples, this is trade at 13, 14 times, no 9. >> guy, want to respond to that? >> good luck with that. this dollar story is not a one quarter story. this has been going on the last nine months to a year. something has got to give. you can't say the currency affected our earnings when you have people that are supposed to be hedging your currency risk. so somebody is doing something wrong and if 9 is not the multiple in in environment, this is two years now where they're trying to dig themselves out this have hole. i think 9 is the right multiple. 13 is the right multiple, there you go, there inn lies the rub. i think this thing goes below 140. >> north american revenues were down as well. if it was just the strong dollar that would not be the case. >> ibm down almost 3.5% after hours. charlie, a pleasure, thank you, sir, from aerial investment,
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guy, always appreciate it assel. much more coming on with fast with guy and the gang. the latest headlines from ibm's conference call and analysts reaction as well. much more here on the earnings, we will dig deeper into the results in just a little bit with the company's cfo, chief financial officer, martin schroeter in just a moment. valeant's earnings beat and strong guidance not enough to overcome the drug maker's pricing controversy. shares down almost 8% today. we will look at what's next for the pharma company when we come back. re earning enough cash back from bank of america to take their act to the next level... before earning 1% cash back everywhere, every time... 2% back at the grocery store... and 3% back on gas... vince of the flying branzinos got a bankamericard cash rewards credit card, because he may earn his living jumping through hoops, but he'd rather not earn cash back that way. that's the spectacle of rewarding connections. apply online or at a bank of america near you.
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welcome back. we start with an earnings alert. our dominic chu joins us. >> kelly, what we're watching are shares of flex tron knicks, you can see here on your screen after the company reported, of 27 cents a share that is correct beats the average analyst estimate of 25 cents a share. also revenues coming in better as well. $6.32 billion. analysts were looking for on average $6.17 billion. they also have forecast numbers. current earnings per share between 28 and 34 cents a share. also current quarter revenues somewhere between 6.2 to $6.8
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billion. that's just about in the wheelhouse, $6.61 billion was the average analyst estimate there. again, this company flex tronics an earnings beat an sales beat, forecast seems slightly better than analysts were looking for, a stock up 7% in the after hours session. valeant pharmaceuticals one of the big losers on wall street. the stock down more than 30% over the past month on concerns about the company's drug pricing stralt gee. me go terrell has more on the fallout. >> that beaten race for the third kwart for vaul yant not enough to offset the concerns about the business model. the ceo addressing some of those drug pricing concerns saying that taking all of this environment into context they are pricing in more modest price increases for their drugs over the next year. they also say they are going to pursue fewer if any transactions
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what have they call mispriced products, presumably meaning drugs where they acquire them and think they can rise the price on them. they are considering the sale of their neurology business but which some analysts are saying is a business where they actually get most of their growth from raising the prices of their drugs. potentially spinning that out an focusing on products where they have to ro invest in r & d folks not seem to go like that strategy and still worried about the government where they are getting invested by the government. they are considering a potential buy back of their stock. they don't think theres any acquisition which would add more value than them buying back their sales. >> i thought this was interesting interesting to read the sell side on val yan. a lot of people saying it's completely over done. the average selling price for valeant products only increased 13%. how did it become this poster child for higher prices >> there were several drugs where they raised the price by
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astronomical amounts, 500%. that happened to hit hospitals like the cleveland clinic which came out on this program saying it cost them $8 million more than they expected. that kind of thing is really fascinating. even the more analysts on the call calling out management saying you are reacting in this way and saying you are not going to raise prices by as much next year, aren't you saying that all of this criticism was justified? those are an interesting question. the mic pearson saying we've got to a dpt to the current current environment. >> we have to talk about flu shot season as well. i was trying to figure out if i should pop in and get mine. >> did you get your flu shots? >> i haven't yet. i knew the question was going to come up. the question, okay, 150 million americans expected to get vaccinated. >> that's right. >> why do we have to do this every year? >> the flu is a tricky virus, it has ways knew dating.
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last year we didn't get it quite right and the voon wasn't as effective in preventing flu. this year they say it is tracking pretty well. the holy grail in flu vaccine is a universal vaccine. we talked to researchers at the nih. where they are working on a universal vaccine, they estimate we're five to ten years away. >> but we're only five to ten years away, this is great news. >> let's roll the clip. roll the clip. roll the sound. >> i think we're making extraordinary progress and we can sort of see the light at the end of the tunnel of getting towards an influenza vaccine. >> so that is great news. companies from glaxosmithkline are all focusing on this. it's interesting because you think a product that takes away the annual business of a flu shot might not be one they want to pursue if you only get one time revenue boost from a universal vaccine but fwlaks owe smithkline tells me the first person or company that comes out
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to develop that gets a huge pose piece of market. >> i thought was story was so fascinating that there are multiple types of flu vaccine covering different numbers of strains. what are medical companies and doctors required to tell you both about the options available to you for a flu shot and how much they will cost you. >> in terms of how much they will cost you under the affordable care act if you have insurance preventive care is covered to your flu shot should be covered without any out-of-pocket costs to you. >> some of these new vaccines that cover four strains might be more expensive. >> might be more expensive to your insurer. it's interesting folks don't know that there are different types of vaccines out there and might not necessarily tell you depending on which one is in the office. you can always ask. folks do go in and they know that there is a nasal pray, flu mist versus a shot but they don't necessarily know there are certain vaccines that cover four, certain that cover three and for holder folks there is a higher dose vaccine that is more effective for them. >> i think i've already gotten the flu this season.
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could i get it again. >> you would know if you have the flu. you would be like completely hit by a truck. would you know. >> i'm still getting the shot. >> we should all go right after the program. up next, an exclusive interview with the cfo of ibm. that stock falling after hours after the company cut its four-year guidance. find out when investors will see the payoff from the move to the cloud. mike huckabee joins us to make his tax plan pitch and explains how he is staying in the race despite serious fundraising problems. stay tuned. make healthcare more personal with patient-centric, digital innovations; from self-monitoring devices that can interpret personal data and enable targeted care, to cloud platforms that invite providers to collaborate with the patients they serve. that's why over 90% of the top 25 global pharmaceutical companies are turning to cognizant. our domain experts,
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go long. welcome back. ibm just out with its results, the stock lower by about 3% after hours as the company missed on revenue and gave weak four year earnings guidance. joining us is ibm's cfo martin schroeter. welcome to the program. >> thank you, kelly. >> let's begin with your shares moving lower. looks like partly because of your revenue miss and relatedly because of the lower guidance that you see here. what's going on? why the big miss? >> sure. a few things to note, i think, kelly. first, within the revenue we report we obviously have a pretty substantial currency head wind that we continue to deal w as we transform our business we continue to move out of areas where we don't see long-term value. so across that -- across our revenue base that's about 13 points of impact. excluding those two in the third
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quarter we reported a down about 1% revenue. now, within that 1 we had very good performance, again, where we are investing our money which is our strategic imperatives, that's a shorthand for our cloud business, analytics business, security and mobile businesses. very good performance again across the strategic imperatives, very good performance again in our mainframe and power business. we continue to see price pressure in our storage business and we continue to see price pressure in our global business services business. so when we put all that together with a weaker transactional business than we expected we put all that together and see it's prudent for us to recognize as we go into our largest transactional quarter that the transaction slow was a bit slower than we would have liked, we from a transition in our gbs business and we want to continue
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to invest because it is the right course for us. >> if you exclude currency and divestitures the group that you are eye lighting is up more than 30% on the period. all the same the backlog of services that people are also watching as a barometer here, $122 billion shy i guess of the $140 billion number that we've seen in the past. what are you seeing in terms of customer demand? what regions of the world for you are weakened? is china is big factor each as north america looks like it's a bit of a challenge as well. >> well, the backlog is a result of -- has an impact of currency as well. if you take out the currency impact from the backlog or backlog finished third quarter up 1% year to year. i think what that reflects is probably the most contemporary global service delivery organization and a set of offerings now that are moving our clients into the areas they want to be. so moving them into the cloud, moving them into mobile.
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if you were -- if you were to look at the relationship we recently signed with etti hot airways, within that multimillion dollar transaction is a substantial amount of cloud opportunity and a substantial amount of opportunity to get them into a more mobile world. now, we see those opportunities across every industry, europe, in fact, has been particularly active over the last few quarters, we had a substantial will you have tan is a transaction recently and also signed a deal with a company called he have ri which will allow us to build out that same contemporary i.t. system for their enterprises. >> specifically on china, we had the gdp figures last night. we read that you guys are opening up some of your code to satisfy the chinese regulators. what trends are you seeing on china? how is china doing for ibm? >> well, a few things, first all on the code issue it's not new news. we're doing things the way
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they've been done which is we allow many organizations to look at the code to make sure that it doesn't have any back doors. this is the way that you supply with export regulations here in the u.s. so that's not really new news. the demand patterns in china continue to be for us, for us to move to the higher value services such as cloud and such as our mobile engagements so we're seeing those demand patterns in china, no different really than the rest of the world. they want the most contemporary and globally enabled platforms so the mainframe continues to do well, we've added new mainframe customers again around the world, but also in china and the power platform there continues to be -- continues to be quite -- quite relevant in the marketplace. >> you know, we're almost out of time, martin. two quick questions. i want to smoke in here. the first obviously is as we see all of the watson ads that blanket television in this country, is watson going to
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be -- are we going to see watson on the weather channel? what's going on there? >> watson is as you know our view of how the analytics business will evolve. so today we have a pretty substantial analytics business, it was about $17 billion last year and that's a very powerful set of tools that help our clients make the most of their information, but the next evolution of the analytics business is really around cognitive and the simple way to think about that is that you can't program computers anymore to understand all the relationships, you need a system that can ingest both structured and unstructured data so that you can make sense of what's going on in the world and watson helps you do that. so watson is amicable not only in financial services and not only in healthcare where we've built our healthcare business, but it will be changing industries as more and more industries learn how to build smarter systems that learn as
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they go and can ingest massive amounts of data in order to find the relationships that they are looking for. >> well, i can see weather being an asset for you guys. i will leave that issue for the time being. finally just ask you if you have this services strategic imperatives area that's growing and doing nicely, at one point would it make sense for you financially to spin it off, draw more attention to how it's doing? is there a structure that you think could unlock more value for shareholders going forward? >> keep in mind that the strategic imperatives are a shorthand, they are a distinct businesses but they are a set of businesses that our clients are moving to. so when we think about our business, while we tend to shorthand it to strategic imperatives we think will b. how to help our clients move to a hybrid cloud, how do we help our clients build the most contemporary analytics platforms and also have large businesses
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helping our clients deliver productivity. our clients are operating in an environment where they're trying to drive productivity in their i.t. environments and want to reinvest. while it's a shorthand it is really -- it is not a set of businesses you can group together necessarily and think about -- and think about as a single piece. >> well, we thank you for joining us. i know you have a call to get torques martin. thank you for your time this afternoon. that is martin schroeter, the cfo at ibm. let's send it out to dominic chu for a market flash. >> a couple different semi-conductor related stories. we will lead with possible deal news, shares of sandisk, you can see they are up about 7.5%, relatively heavy volume, 117,000 shares are traded this happening on bloomberg headlines that san dis sex said to be in advanced talks to sell itself possibly to western digital which is another hard drive or computer storage device maker. the story goes on to say -- this
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is, again, according to people familiar, so, again, sources at bloomberg saying this an agreement between the two could come as soon as this week although the caveats typically apply, a deal has not been inked and so still fall apart. watching those in the after hours. also sharing of ram bus are down by 10% on an earnings report. rambus sharing down on relatively light volume, 19,000 shares. reporting earnings of 14 cents a share. revenues a bit light, $74 million, analysts were looking for 76 million $. they also have a current quarter revenue outlook that fell below analyst estimates, they also made comments saying achieving revenues in their stated range will require that the company sign new customer agreements for patent and solutions licensing among other matters. the forecast perhaps dragging things down. rambus down 10% albeit on
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volume. >> dominic chu there with earnings. time for a cnbc news done date. let's get over to sue herrera. >> the campaigns for republican presidential candidates donald trump and dr. ben carson are asking for secret service protection. a department of homeland security official confirm to go nbc news the agency is reviewing the request but that a final decision has not been made. online fantasy football site draft kings said an independent investigation by a law firm hired by the company has found no evidence of wrongdoing by one of its employees. the report released today says the employee did not use inside information to win $350,000 on competing fantasy sites. u.s. high school graduation rates are rising. 36 states saw an increase in graduates during the 2013 to 2014 school year. the department of education numbers also show black and hispanic students saw the most substantial increases. and where did dogs come from?
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well, cornell university researchers went digging for some answers using the dna of 550 dogs from 38 countries. their conclusion is man's best friend first originated what is now near now nepal and mongolia. that's the cnbc update. there's a debate whether it was europe, egypt, asia. >> sounds like the debate over humans, still. >> absolutely. you're right. >> our sue herrera. that last dog was so cute. as gop presidential candidate mike huckabee facing a cash crunch? he will tell us himself when we come right back. become the only thing you think about. that's where at&t can help. at at&t we monitor our network traffic so we can see things others can't. mitigating risks across your business.
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it's gotten thinner. even curvier. but what's next? for all binge watchers. movie geeks. sports freaks. x1 from xfinity will change the way you experience tv. welcome back, let's begin with a news alert on humana, dominic chu what's happening. >> a blockbuster deal gets its approval from humana. they have approved the pending $37 billion acquisition of their company by a fellow health insurance giant aetna. earlier today aetna shareholders approved that deal. both shareholders is slats had near unanimous decisions often approving the deal. aetna humana, we will bring you
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more details. >> entitlements a hot button issue in the race for the 2016 white house. rand paul sat down with john harwood to talk about his take on social security. >> there is john harwood with more. what did he say? >> kelly, rand paul is the leading libertarian politician in the country, but a problem for his movement is that they are on the other side of some of the more popular large government programs, the libertarian party platform calls for phasing out social security, but rand paul says that's not going to stop the movement and not stop him in the 2016 race. >> the libertarian party platform reaffirmed last year calls for phasing out social security. a know you don't call for that, but if a movement is identified with that goal, that's on the wrong side of the publish, isn't it? >> not every libertarian is the same. on social security ideally there would be a private system.
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we now have a government system and have had it for six years, seven years. i think the publish is not ready to wipe out social security, but i think the public would be interested rachel dolezal to see can we have a private account. >> you think you're still very much in it th? >> absolutely. i think eventually people will reconsider the race. my prediction is by the nd of january when we get to the first close voting i think you will see a reevaluate the leader lp 15%, many people in the low double digits and many people single digits. >> senator, thanks for doing this. >> thank you. >> and rand paul is going to have another chance to make his case in our cnbc debate on october 28 and you can bet that one of the candidates on that stage with him, your guest, mike huckabee, is going to take him on on the issue of social security, kelly. >> that's exactly right, john. thank you so much. our john harwood with the latest details on that debate coming up the end of the month. our next guest is also one of john's speak easy subjects lately. former arkansas governor an republican presidential hopeful mike huckabee joins us now.
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welcome back. >> thank you, kelly. great to be back on the show. >> good to see you and, listen, we saw the numbers, they weren't great for the third quarter. how much longer can you stay in this race? >> i can stay in until i get the nomination. you know, people look at these numbers and they forget that it's not how much you raise, it's what you do with it. and i had a dime to the dollar of my opponents eight years ago and beat everybody but john mccain. beat mitt romney when he outspent knee ten to one, fred thompson outspent knee, rudy guiliani raised $60 million, beat him. we keep a low overhead, run the campaign like most people wish the federal government would be run, very frully. this is not about just the money. the soup pac set up to help me was over $5 million. it's not like i'm sucking air. we are a long way from running out of the funds. >> governor, one of your former aids, ed rollins said that it
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will take $75 million to make it through iowa, new hampshire, south carolina. right now your campaign only has about $9 million and including that super pac money. how do you get to that goal when you still have such a long way to go? >> well, i would just remind ed because he was a part of that campaign eight years ago the fact is i think at this point we had probably raised 2 million sooipd. so we are four times above what we were. there is a lot of candidates and i think sometimes people forget that in iowa, i don't care what kind of money you have, if you don't mr. a ground game and organization you are not going to win. we've built the largest ground game and organization in iowa, same thing in south carolina. that's how you win these early primaries, because you can't buy enough of the tv and radio towers to make it all work. >> the money often follows the polls and in this case one issue, governor, where you are in stark difference to a lot of your party on social security
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and medicare. so we often hear from the gop candidates what they're going to do to fix these which continue to crowd out the rest of our government spending, it will be more of an issue for the deficit an debt going forward. i read your tweets, watch you on the stump and explain your position to people and i hear nothing except you think these programs need to be saved at all cost. >> they have to be. it's not had a they need to be but they have to be because america has a promise and the promise is if we take money out of your paycheck for all your working years then that money is going to be there. i think people have to remember that social security is not an entitlement, it isn't welfare, it's not a government give me, it's not a freebie. people had that money taken out of their checks and i don't know about your check, but it was taken out of mine involuntarily all the time of my working years which continue to this day. the fact is if the government steals from us and then lies to us, i just don't think that bodies well. you have 60 million people on social security, 70 million
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total depend on the -- which by the way we just found out there isn't going to be one for the 70 million americans who are on it. here is what we do know, congress is going to get a pay raise. now, how is that for really sucking is -- i mean, socking it to the american public. >> a freudian slip there. governor, thank you for joining us to talk about what's at stake. we will see you next tuesday. gosh, it's coming out out there in boulder for the gop debate. thanks for joining us this afternoon. >> thanks, kelly. next republican debate will take place right here on consumer october 28. you can expect a lot more questions about entitlements, coverage starts at 5:00 p.m. eastern time. don't miss it. iconic luxury car brand ferrari gearing up for its ipo this week. many fans embrace the auto maker as a lifestyle brand and now they are going to have to embrace a new charge. later we will be joined by
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vintage cars. as parts of its ipo ferrari is hoping to capture more of that value. prices for collectible ferraris have more than doubled over the past two years and tripled over the past five. the most expensive is a gfo that went for $38 million. a 1956 ferrari being sold at soth bees in december could fetch over $30 million. in the past ferrari didn't make any money off these deals since all the profits went to buyers, sellers, auctioneers and restorers, in their latest sec filing ferrari highlights a program which charges ferrari owners to restore and certify their vintage ferraris. the company charges anywhere from a few dhouds to hundreds of thousands of dollars that each car they certify. one owner paid just over a million dollars for his ferrari certification. they are now down 400 of these a
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year. that could become a big source of revenue and growth when they go public. many long time clegters complaining that the program is like a high priced toll p booth. ferrari says the official ferrari certificate means a higher value and resale price. >> i will have to read more online. certification for a million bucks? thank you for joining us. robert frank on ferrari there she has a biggest reputation as america's toughest trainer n her new show sweat inc. she is set to be america's toughest judge. jillian michaels making her way over to join us live at post 9 when we come right back. its official, i work for ge!! what? wow... yeah! okay... guys, i'll be writing a new language for machines so planes, trains, even hospitals can work better. oh! sorry, i was trying to put it away... got it on the cake. so you're going to work on a train?
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welcome back. look at shares of weight watchers today. this is not a misprint. they were up 105% from friday's close. why in oprah winfrey. she exposed a 10% stake in the company and get a seat on the board of directors and you will see her in ad campaigns. stock finishing just short of $14, doubling in price today. sticking with the weight loss and fitness theme, we're joined by julian michaels host of the
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new sweat inc. think about it as shark tank for exercises. welcome. >> thank you so much, i appreciate it. >> are people pitching work out equipment or gyms or what is going on. >> it is both. we are looking for the next fitness phenom nam to the next bow flex, to anything else. >> randy hat trick is a former navy s.e.a.l. and he started trx, which is what we're looking for a 50 plus a million dollars a year business. >> and crx has those people who are stuck in hotel rooms and able to stay fit. are these programs still relevant today. >> it is a great question. i'm invested in curves and they are partners with jenny craig and they have seen huge growth in the last year. so it depends on the generation.
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millennials, probably no. baby boomers and later gen x, and yes. and oprah has the golden touch, right. and as you've seen today, the stock went up 100% or something insane. >> people were shorting it. but i wonder what the value is, when you can do it for free. get a fitbit or do my fitness pal app and track your calorie intake and track your exercise. >> with that said, in all fairness, a lot of the gadgets aren't totally accurate. and you have to appreciate with weight watchers there is a community. there is meetings. so you said do-it-yourself, but there is a lot to be said, when we are looking on the show, it is a sense of belonging and community and weight watchers and jenny craig have that. >> i'm curious about pricing. i find so many new boutique studios charge -- >> it is crazy. >> it is insane. $45 a class here in new york.
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so what is the ceiling that you are seeing for pricing and what are you telling people on the show as they try to figure out how do we enter this mark place. >> you have to appreciate your model. so in boutique fitness, i've yet to see a ceiling. and in personal training i've yet to see a ceiling, because those businesses are more high-end. and the psychology is the more expensive it is, the better it is. now when it comes to big box jams, retro frit involved in the gym or crunch or 24-hour, the lower you make the membership, the easier it is fors and then you get into certification like zumba and that is where affordability is key. it depends on the model and that is what determines the pricing, so to speak. >> we have to go. but i'm wondering what the most you've charged somebody for personal training? >> by the time i was able to charge crazy money, it was too late so i just -- >> it is crazy money. like a thousand, 5,000? >> yeah.
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but i sold at charity actions and the most expensive was $10,000. >> because it is important. >> maybe not that much. >> thank you for joining us. good luck for the show. >> thank you so much. >> it debuts tomorrow on spike at 10:00 p.m. this past weekend, some think it is a hit but some think it is a miss and we'll go beyond the box office numbers for you next. rswim better. like a custom screener on your desktop, that updates to all your devices. and you can share it with one click. wow. how do you find the time to do all this? easy. we combined every birthday and holiday into one celebration. (different holidays being shouted) back to work, guys! i love this times of year. for all the confidence you need. td ameritrade. you got this.
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netflix may be the monster of the little screen but it is no beast of the big screen. the first feature film called beast of no nation opened to a $50,000 and 699 box office and that is an average of $35 per theater. and netflix is not releasing numbers on how many saw the film in their living room. guys what, do you make of it? >> i think this is a way for netflix to speak not necessarily to the audience who is actually viewing the movie but maybe to hollywood stars to show them this is an alternative to you. if you are not getting the treatment you want from the big theaters, that you can turn to
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netflix. >> it doesn't matter how they did in the box office. they had to release it simultaneously for the oscar nod. the losers here are the theater operators. they are not making money off of it. >> and we should check on shares. and we had citron come out and said they covered the short on netflix as the stock struggle as people are concerned about the cost of content and how unique service this is. they were up 3% today. so maybe that is because of what happened over the weekend, with this movie or maybe again that the fact that citron now closing at short on the bolstering sentiment. so neither of you saw it. >> no. >> i was watching aladdin. >> i was just checking, netflix is up more than 100% this year. best performing on the s&p. >> and weight watcher did it in one day. show show coming up in moments.
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what is on tap. >> one trader made a $2 million bet that microsoft will hit a 15 year high by the end of the month. we'll tell but that trade. >> that sounds like daily fantasy. >> i'm kidding. >> and the ibm call to get to. >> "fast money" starts right now. overlooking time square, i'm melissa lee, your traders are tim, steve, karen and guy. tonight on "fast," a smack down of epic proportions from the cal government hitting back at steve wynn's criticism over policy sending shares tanking. we'll tell you whether the billionaire ceo should be worried. plus big pharma play. valeant away from what attracted shareholders to the stock. and what it could mean for shareholders in the long run. and opec hosting a special meeting and dennis gartman is taking notice. find out how he is playing ole ahead of the headlines. but first the story this hour,


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