tv Squawk on the Street CNBC November 18, 2015 9:00am-11:01am EST
we want to thank richard lefrank for all your time today. >> thank you. nice to see you guys. >> and make sure you join us tomorrow. "squawk on the street" coming up right now. good wednesday morning. welcome to "squawk on the street," i'm carl quintanilla with jim cramer, david faber. stocks are cautious but tipping to the upside as we have earnings from target and lowe's. good set of m&a activity. housing starts and more. dow going for its third consecutive gain. europe more tentative as we wait for details on those raids in paris overnight that left two suspects dead. a half dozen arrested.
oil inventories on the way and the fed minutes, 2:00 p.m. eastern time. our road map begins with raids overnight in france. more from the ground in paris this hour. >> and a number of deals this hour. norfolk southern and canadian pacific probably not going to happen. but air gas finds a buyer and a deal among some semiconductor companies. >> retail, lowe's, target, staples are all out with results. first up, this raid by heavily armed police in france targeted the suspected architect of the paris terror attracts. the operation ending with seven arrested and two dead. forever more we go to saint-denis and our chief internation international correspondent, michelle caruso-cabrera. good morning. >> reporter: good morning. we're on the street where the raid took place overnight. if you look over my shoulder, about seven buildings down on the left is the apartment building where the raid occurred on the second floor. we've been watching for the last several hours police go in and
out, removing items. we've seen crime scene investigators in white lab coats going in and out. here's the sequence of events according to the french prosecutor. they had followed a woman they believed connected to one of the individuals in the attack on friday night to this apartment building. they say special forces raided the apartment roughly 4:30 in the morning. we have cell phone video from neighbors who live in the area who recorded what happened. when you listen to it, there was a tremendous amount of gunshot volleys, explosions that could be heard. take a listen. [ gunfire ] neighbors in the area said that went on for perhaps as long as 20 minutes. then for roughly three hours there was still irregular gunfire, irregular explosions and then quiet for several hours
as we awaited to see the outcome of the raids. when the french prosecutor spoke, he said the chronology was this, they went into the apartment, they arrested three individuals, then a woman wearing a suicide belt blew herself up. another man in the apartment died. then they arrested more individuals. now it's a total of seven. french president francois hollande spoke soon after the raids had been concluded he said specifically as i speak to you a particularly risky police operation just ended. it aimed last night to neutralize terrorists who were lodged in saint-denis with those who committed the attacks and crimes against god on friday night. what we are waiting to find out is whether or not they were able to get abdelhamid abaaoud. we have been told by the french prosecutor that's who they were targeting in the building. he is the individual that they say is the mastermind of the attacks that occurred here on friday night. we do not know the identities of
those dead nor those arrested at this point. carl, back to you. >> michelle, any idea if and when today we might get some word on the outcome of those attacks? >> well, the french prosecutors and the french police have been fairly forthcoming. so it could be that we hear something today. a lot of the local french press clearly, as you would expect, very, very connected. and seem to be able to come up with leads and tips very quickly. so we are monitoring all of french radio, french television as well, the french media as well as nbc news working to confirm anything they do come up with. perhaps later today. i know that he was asked repeatedly by reporters whether or not they actually had the alleged mastermind. he would not answer the question at the time. they are aware of how everyone very much wants to know what happened. >> michelle, we'll be coming back to you for more on that.
michelle caruso-cabrera in saint-denis. guys, these air france flights diverted overnight to salt lake city and halifax. that soccer match in hanover canceled on what they said was concrete -- we'll be living with this for a while. >> yeah. i just think you have to notice that there's two types of -- two views of the french. one is the french, hollande needs to stop the right wing, which is age-old -- 100-year-old situation, france, how to stop the right wing from coming in. the deal with russia signifies a break with germany. this is the france of the battle of algiers, not the france of the battle of -- >> though reports of hollande is not backing away from letting refugees in, saying the country needs to remain open. not completely turned on itself. >> i think that this kind of activity -- look, i think that -- again, i'm not a political guy. i'm a student of the history of the way france conducts itself.
this is not french-like of the new french, post world war ii other than when they decided to take it to algeria. i think those who follow the history of the french foreign legion and algeria, knows there a way of french to be brutal and a way for the french to be democratic. right now they're going for brutal. >> we do have some corporate news. m&a, you could call one deal grow to grow, one deal shrink to grow, one deal don't grow there. air gas, being acquired by air liquid, 13.4 billion. as for don't grow there. norfolk southern saying canadian pacific's unsolicited takeover offer, very low premium deal. any deal would face significant hurdles. they are saying, please. we have no interest.
conagra foods trying to shrink to grow. they will split into two companies, one with consumer brands, and healthy choice, largely frozen potato business. >> good to see -- three different apartments within that house of brands of conagra. what people describe as second tier, old fashion center store brands that had no growth. then there was the food service business, we know from restaurants coming back. that's a decent business. then the private label, which is mismatched that they overpaid for. breaking the whole company up. >> private label is gone, as we know. >> that was bought by treehouse. >> you broke and followed a lot of the stories following the air products bid for air gas. peter mcquelson put it together, 98% domestic, just said no.
saying the $70 bid would not -- no way was worth what the company was. he was right. >> he was right. it was a long battle, over five years ago. it had some interesting twists and turns and including the fact that air products got two board members elected to air gas' board who turned around and said your bid is not adequate. >> it's interesting to look at the two. here's norfolk southern. peter mcquellen said i can tell you we can do x. what happened in air products is similar with what happened to norfolk southern. air products took advantage of the great recession. air gas was in the high 60s. stock goes to the 40s because of the great recession. he said when this ends, we'll go back. which is what happened. norfolk southern is down because of coal. 21% of the freight is coal, coal related. by the way, coal could be in secular decline but might bottom
here because all the companies that can switch to natural gas have. canadian pacific has a lot of oil. you know what? guess what is not being shipped by rail? >> right. >> canadian pacific needs growth. >> they do. >> as for air gas, you're point is a good one. he's in his mid 60s. waited a few more years. doubled what air products was probably willing to pay if they had gone to 75 back then, they may have won it. decent multiple. 98% domestic. air liquide looking for diversity. looking to take the weak euro and put it to work. >> the reverse of what i thought would happen. air products was trying to steal air gas. he's a lawyer, by trade. philadelphia, radnor. you mentioned what norfolk said
about the bid. we had angie's list the other day. why do people think they deserve more. >> some companies are down because of the funk. talk about the funk. when i talk to ceos off line from "mad money," they say, wow, people are down. i say why? politics. they feel like the political dialogue is making it so our -- debases the notion of what is going on in the economy. is home depot is the real economy? lowe's? not so bad. i believe a lot of the ceos i deal with anyone industrial, people think we can't make money in this environment. it's so wrong. they can. >> every deal, carl, is different. has different characteristics. in the case of norfolk, two-year regulatory process at the very least. as we know, quoting the ceo in the past, they believe would not end in approval given the surface transportation board and the issues it has with how it
goes about judging these deals. do they actually enhance competition? >> yeah. $117 this price last week. this year, norfolk southern. >> not stopping norfolk from going up. we'll see what cp is willing to do. we'll come back to it later. bill ackman a large shareholder there. >> how can you go a moment without talking about valeant. 70 bucks. key to the market. >> $70. >> a lot of hedge funds are caught. just relentless. >> relentless. >> they still have son edison to lean on. >> a bridge too far that last deal they did. >> we'll stay on top of developments surrounding the paris attacks as the national controversy over syrian refugees heats up. we'll talk to ron johnson later on this morning. another look at the pre-market. have not gotten to target and lowe's. downgrade for exxon, upgrade for apple. more "squawk on the street" continues in a moment. business expenses,
before we get to that number. we have the epi last night reporting a draw down in crude inventories b a half million barrels. here's what we know. there was a built-in cushion. imports were down. refineries are up. they are coming out of maintenance, which makes sense. this is the time of year we start to see build. traders are looking for about a million barrel build here from the department of energy. as we know, the api doesn't always see eye to eye when it comes to computing this dateda.a we are watching the price at $41 a barrel, because of the geopolitical instability, this data, it's not surprising. we're staying in a tight range to the low 40s. not breaking under 40, but not going over 42. it's going to be touch and go when it comes to crude oil prices. the department of energy can
change everything in just a little time. i'll see you then. >> one thing people have to recognize about oil, rbn put out great numbers this morning. they surveyed 31 oil and gas producers. you'll love this. production up in the third quarter. that's why we have this glut. up. they did a -- the survey shows because the price of drilling is falling, you're producing more oil. that's why you have this bubble. >> you said that before, but it appeared rigs were being taken out of service. i'm confused then. >> the third quarter numbers, oil production is up. fourth quarter won't be down much. talking about was leveling off. it's remarkable how much more is being done with less. here we sit here and think wait a second, bakken falling off. these numbers are unassailable. the total increase in 2015 production guidance to 43 million barrels since the initial investment. >> we are almost efficient to a
fault. >> exactly right. they're drilling a sweet spot. this rbn number is breathtaking. we are producing more -- more than we were a year ago. it's insane. >> if the price were to rise, your margins will be even better given the advances they seemingly have made. >> but, look, you talk about credit all the time. nobody -- very few cutbacks in credit. the fact is you say wait a second, how can oil be so -- saudis are pumping, we're pumping. >> we're in that zone now, in that zone where banks are reazest ire reassessi reassessing. there have not been as many bankrupt sis cies as many had anticipated. last week spread blew out. >> it is interesting to think that production has fallen dramatically. there's a production decline in
bakken, high cost, but not at all in the eagleford. >> leads us to retail. lowe's better than expected earnings. comps up five. the retailer maintaining their guidance for the full year. target matched the street with third quarter numbers. revenues did beat. retailer also raising the low-end of its full year guidance. courtney reagan will have an exclusive with brian cornell at 12:15 p.m. eastern time. about 20% of the target comp growth was online. online up 20. q2 up 30. there's a debate going on there. >> my travel trust owns it. the stock was down justifiably because the online should have been 30. that was not so good. i think this company reported last week between macy's and nordstrom, the stock would be up. the fact is that they're up against psychologically up against tj, which was beautiful. lowe's again, and home depot, that wind at the back. walmart turning around. i think that brian cornell, i
would like to hear what he has to say. this was not the blowout number that i was looking for. >> so when target saw online grow 20, amazon 28, a much larger percents taj of their sales, do you applaud target? >> i think target is good. certainly better than the other broad lines. the problem with target it needs to blow away. that's what -- when you read lowe's statement, they're like happy days are here again. target has a lot of apparel, doing much better than nordstrom and macy's. it's off-mall. people expect unbelievable things from brian cornell. the stock was at 77 not long ago. i thought that -- geez, i was surprised they're consistent which is good. that online, 20. no. >> not what you were hoping for? >> no. >> or those who are long in the stock were hoping for. >> my travel trust owned it.
sure wish they owned home depot. home depot quarter was, as i said, the home depot quarter was masterful. the conference call was beautiful. once again, the cfo puts it in context about the need to refurbish the old houses. look, household information. home depot, just guessing. lowe's delivering. but, remember they're in homes. homes are going up. as thome taught us, when your home is going up, you no longer feel like you're spending, you feel like you're investing. people who go to home goods, home depot, lowe's, they feel they're investing. apparel is not what people are investing in. >> housing starts a disappointment but single family held in. it was multi that fell apart. >> you go to home depot for single family. should target be down a buck? no. no they'll return a lot of capital. the stock would be at 74 if it
reported on thursday. it had the misfortune of reporting today when we're looking at lowe's and thinking, you know what? we can't be in anything that's apparel. brian cornell can turn it around by talking about the consistency, the right demographic. star wars. he has do it. got to do it. the thesis and the narrative has to get better. >> we'll get cramer's mad dash and the opening bell after the break. look at the futures. keurig green mountain tonight, cmg. more straight ahead.
about apple is about iphone 6, supply chain. whether people are cutting back that nonsense kept people out of stock and missed the greatest opportunity. finally an intellectual analysis done by someone. goldman sachs goes to conviction back. the shift is apple as a service, no longer just a defense company but the kind of services they'll offer and continuing revenue streams so it makes it the 30% discount to the s&p seems absurd. this is actual thinking, david. this involves the frontal lobe, the cortex. it actually can fire cylinders, produces things that only -- that -- it can defy the imagination. this is actual research and thought. not just, like i checked in with five guys, they're not buying a lot of parts. i like this. i like this because it represents genuine homespun wisdom. >> all right. real analysis from an analyst. greatest opportunity of any
stock you've ever seen. did you just say that? >> no. well, i think that -- no, i did not. >> i thought i heard it come out of your mouth. >> no, i think this apple service piece is good. i like it when periodically people think. like think. you know? i think this is a very important multi-year way. steve milanovich, love steve, but the other day he piled on and said the stock is going nowhere. this analyst weighed in, comes up with a refreshing piece about why the company is worth more than it's selling for. i like it. >> all right. recommended reading by mr. cramer. >> i just -- oh. apple is going down. i find that way suboptimal. >> we'll keep an eye on apple, including the deals we mentioned earlier. we have a couple more we didn't get to, which we will mention. "squawk on the street" coming back after this.
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you're watching cnbc's "squawk on the street" live from the financial capital of the world. the opening bell in a minute's time. we're waiting for word today in paris to see if the raids overnight have neutralized the threat in the city. we'll find out more later today, we hope. in the meantime, plenty of macro news. china home prices up, not by as much as the month before. only 27 cities, last month 39. >> this is one where longer term they're hoping the two-child policy reverses. talking about a four, five-year plan there. they have too much housing. baltic straight index almost disappeared. zinc hitting multi-year lows. diana shipp downgrade there. they thought there would be an expected rebound. day rates horrendous. >> yes. we mentioned that upgrade of apple over at goldman.
there's a downgrade of exxon what we'll talk about in a moment. first the open here and a look at the s&p at the bottom of the screen. at the big board today, synchrony financial celebrating its separation from ge. of course we talk ed ed to keit sherin on the show yesterday. at the nasdaq, intuitive surgical, we'll talk to that company's ceo in less than an hour. >> had a nice comeback. you have to be impressed by that i'm impressed by intuitive surgical as i am valeant which has turned its around. >> turn itself around? what you are talking about? >> it is up. it was down earlier. if i go to valeant's headquarters, does it say hedge funds live here? >> i don't know that they own it anymore. >> no? >> i don't know who owns it. >> the stock wouldn't be at 70
if nobody owned it. >> value act owns a decent percentage, is percentage. >> anything can bounce. >> we didn't mention fairchild semi. 20 bucks a share for fairchild semi. a company with storied roots, gene kleiner, back in 1957. it was part of national semi, got spun off again. bought, 20 bucks a share. the transaction expected to be immediately on semi. >> leadership and power semid e semiconductors. top ten player, a lot of people think you need scale in the
business. that was the avago deal, even corvo. >> on seminot doing well. down over 5%. >> off semi? >> is that off semi? >> off semi. we keep an eye on those stock prices to see how they react after the announcement of a deal, it's very important in terms of -- we've been seeing so much merger and acquisition activity. i expect we'll see more judging from the banks and lawyers i talk to these are the kinds of things you do need to watch. it has a way of hurting confidence in the ceo who might be considering a deal if they watch and see more stock prices down. this year, the last three months, we've seen more of that doesn't seem to have chilled a lot of hot spirits, so to speak. >> arnie sorenson came on and said how the starwood deal would
be great. i thought it would go up. the deal is so complicated, it left people scratching their heads. >> as i said that morning, hyatt was there. they thought they had a deal. and they had two tracks going the whole way. that's the max they could get out of these guys. maybe they're disappointed. >> had it been alone, it would have gone higher. >> they've seen a lot. they must know something about the future performance of that business. >> yes, but arnie sorenson wants to be in china. fritz had the stock a little higher there. stock was at 78 when fritz left. >> 15% of all u.s. hotel rooms. does that seem right? >> these are the ones where you have the card -- the starwood preferred, people use them. >> people love that starwood program. they're worried they'll change it. >> i know. it's a very generous program. >> yes. >> yeah. >> that's on a lot of peoples
minds. glad you mentioned that. i saw some articles about it recognizing that's a major, major thing. >> gopro is below 20 bucks. piper takes their target to 15. they're starting to notice the cameras show up on zulily, gruopon. a third off. >> yi keep thinking gopro versu fitbit. gopro talks about underinvesting, fitbit overinvesting. the gopro product was a bust for the holidays. this was a $65 stock 90 days ago. now 19. >> i told you when it peaked,
when the pig was on the surf board, it was higher. >> the goats. >> that was it. that was that moment. >> when you see goats, time to get out. >> people say when can you buy gopro. i say it's still early in terms of its decline. notice they teamed up with groupon. >> and zynga in there, too. >> i did want to discuss perr o perrigo. i guess we'll do the faber report instead. maybe we can quickly do perrigo. that stock back to 154. >> why not? >> the incredible stunning win to remain independent shocking the bankers and lawyers who advised mylan and all the hedge funds in valeant, they all sold out in the low 140s, perrigo back to 154. >> papa is doing a good job.
target breaking down. >> is it. >> yeah. >> as for the faber report, we mentioned norfolk southern a bit. we'll do it again. >> wow. >> double intro. norfolk southern, you saw they were up earlier. this after yesterday, canadian pacific does come with a letter, a bear hug saying we want to buy you. norfolk southern outs them on the price. cp didn't have the price in their release. norfolk southern put it in, saying it's a 9% premium. we have the details for you. worth about 46 bucks, 72 cents in cash. 46.72. there it is. then this morning cp following with a longer release saying, yeah, that's what we're offering you. as i reported previously, people familiar with the situation say norfolk southern has no interest in pursuing a deal here.
the key question is would canadian pacific want to push things by trying to undertake a proxy fight? replace the board? do all the things you might need to do? this is a highly regulated industry. potential deal could take two years. they're suggesting in their press release they would get a deal down by 2017. you get a sense as to what we're talking about. two years, highly regulated industry. unusual to see anybody do something of a hostile nature. you have a ceo whose health is not great. hunter harrison, he's down in florida. that's where squires went to see him when they talked on friday. we'll see where this goes from here. the people i've spoken to and the people who are close to the norfolk southern side don't believe that anything will get approved here. anything can be approved here. and they completely disregard any of the virtues that cp sees in terms of putting the two
companies together. they don't believe the company would benefit were there no regulatory burden. >> you're definitive here. >> i'm hearing it hard. >> norfolk southern does not belong at these numbers if they walk away. >> one thing to keep in mind is the presence of bill ackman, over 9% of the shares are held by mr. ackman. 9.12%. we mentioned vrx many, many times, valeant, owns about 5.84% of that company. at the robinhood conference on monday, he said that could be a better merger for allergan. how much is this him trying to fire shots and get things going in the right direction? who knows. >> brent saunders is trying to wipe out a lot of the brands that valeant has. why would he buy them if he's
trying to destroy them? he doesn't want them to talk. he wants them to die. >> that deal -- >> is that a bond reference? >> yeah. >> okay. just wanted to make sure. dow on track for a third straight gain. apple leader. let's get to pisani on the floor. >> hi, guys. mixed session in europe. france is down fractionally. in the u.s., energy up. oil is up. defensive names like utilities lagging. want to emphasize the retail story. again, generally very good news. lowe's numbers were excellent like home depot yesterday. you want to quibble? home depot 7.3, there's a gap there. everybody knows it. it's still a good number. look at the earnings, up 35% year over year. 35%. they affirmed their guidance. that's why lowe's is such a monster year. look at the numbers. 216, 271, 3.29, 3.95.
on the upside. lowe's was in the 20s in 2012. now it's in the 70s. that's why. you get that kind of earnings growth. still not cheap. both about 22 times forward earnings, great numbers overall. the story with home improvement, you know what's going on. we have a recovery going on in the housing market. we have more investment because of home prices are generally appreciating. you have 2% gdp growth. that's enough to get some kind of overall expansion of wealth, particularly in people who own homes here. that's the story. let's move on target. the numbers in line. same-store sales up 1.9%. that's a good comp. the traffic was up 1.4%. digital up 20%. now, here might be a little bit of a problem. they were -- it was higher earlier in the year. if you look at target, that's why maybe target is down right now, 4.8%. i think that will be a factor. ipos pricing tonight, it's a big
one. big night. match group, 33.3, 12 to 14. they are not changing the terms. still 12 to 14. for ipo business there's pricing pressure everywhere. we'll see if they get it done at that price. same situation with square, payment provider, 27 million, 11 to 13. they kept those up. those prices are not changing, across the street everywhere there's pricing pressure force all the ipos. we'll watch carefully to see if they can get it done. nyse last night made some changes in the order system. they will stop accepting new stop orders beginning february 26th. they're joining nasdaq who has already done that. brokers still do stop orders but they have to do it internally. this is all about volatile days we had recently, like august 24th, where some stocks closed at 60, opened at 54, then suddenly bounced back. when you have a stop order, and
that stock is sold at the bottom and it bounces back, you have unhappy customers. they're trying to raise awareness about the potential risk around volatile trading. i think a lot of people have to start using limit orders and other creative ways to avoid potentially getting stopped out on days when the stock bounces back. it's a sensible answer. they are joining nasdaq who has already stopped doing that. it's going to be a busy day on the fed front. we will hear from a new fed president and get the minutes at two. rick santelli? hi, rick. this could be the fourth day in a row where ten-year note yields close between 2.26 and 2.28 that started on friday that run. if you go back the previous five trading sessions, we in a range of 2.31 to 2.34. very interesting. hovering very close to some of the highest closing yields, especially last week, since mid september.
look at the two-day chart. you can see what the direction is. it's the scaling that most jumps out. august 1st, you see that september high around 2.29. granted we're not quite there but hovering right on top of it or slightly above. let's look at spreads, flattening curve associated with the market anticipating a fed rate hike. tens minus twos, it could be flatenning a bit. 30s minus fives much more proguessive. many talking about parity that will take a fed hike, an actual in the hand fed hike, not the verbiage that goes along with the potential of a fed hike. that's comping to april, dollar index comping earlier to march. the unnoticed chart outside of trading floors is crb index,
inflation. maybe it's a rough gauge, many still look at it you have to go back to 2002 to find lower closes. carl, back to you. >> all right, rick, thank you very much. when we come back, former undersecretary of stake nicholas byrnes with his perspective on the fall oout surrounding the paris attacks. we're back in a moment. ♪ today, we're seeing new technologies make healthcare more personal with patient-centric, digital innovations; from self-monitoring devices that can interpret personal data and enable targeted care,
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what's next for france, europe and the rest of the world in the fight against isis, joining us is former undersecretary of state, ambassador nick burns. mr. ambassador, good to have you. good morning. >> good morning. we have hollande coming here on the 24th then to moscow. are you believing that isis is the pivot point around which both russia and the united states can actually unite? >> may be a way to have russia, the united states and france act together militarily in a more
coordinated fashion. the russians have been focusing the majority of their air strikes on a syrian groups that we support, not the islamic state. now president putin will be under pressure to direct the air power to the islamic state and that will lead to some implicit cooperation among france, united states and russia as we all go after targets against dash in northern syria and in iraq. that's where this may be heading. the person who might be bring everybody together is hollande. he will be in washington, then travels to moscow. he wants to see a greater international effort against the islamic state. >> how does that happen if there's no agreement on what happens to assad f this effort is successful? >> i think that's on a separate track. secretary kerry has been pushing the diplomatic negotiations. that's going to take a long time. it's into the parallel track to the military effort.
the issue of assad has been kicked down the road a bit. united states and the arab countries and europe want to see him go. but no one is demanding that happen now because there is no government to replace an assad government in the short-term in damascus. >> mr. ambassador, jim cramer here. still trying to get at what it needs to -- what it takes to make it so ukraine is not an issue. is that possible? can you walk away from the idea that two februarys ago we basically went back to cold war status and just table ukraine as a big issue? >> i don't think it is possible. i agree with your question and what you said. the fact is that putin crossed a major red line, broke international law on annexing crimea. if he's willing to in syria -- we work with the russians on
different issues, north carolina, iran, but we should not let putin have a bank shot and argue that his cooperation in syria is that we take the focus off ukraine. >> a lot of people doing the math on refugees here stateside. the number that we've allowed in so far, the number that the president wants to allow. the governors, it's bleeding on to capitol hill, raising more fears about fiscal policy strife what is your take on it? >> i think there's been far too much fear mongering. the administration is planning on taking in 10,000 syrian refug refugees, not 250 figure like donald trump is saying. the united states and republican and democratic administrations has always taken the leadership position. we're not doing that. germany is leading, france is leading, turkey is leading.
we know how to do this. we know how to vet refugees for security purposes. it's a difficult and long process to get into this country as a refugee, but it's in the best american tradition. it's shameful when leading politicians say we should only take christian refugees into our multi religious country in the united states. we have to step up. i think president obama is leading on this we ought to support him. >> some have tried to make the defense that 2% of those accepted are men of combat age. then we look at the raids overnight, reportedly one of the suspects who were killed was a woman. are you willing to parse it that thinly? >> you know, if you look at people who attacked, terrorists last friday night, nearly all of them were citizens of france and belgium, they grew up in these communities, paris, brussels. we have to vet these incoming
refugees for security purposes. but we've done this before. a republican president, gerald ford took in hundreds of thousands of vietnamese refugees after the vietnam war. we had to do security screening to make sure they weren't vietcong at the time. this is something the united states has great experience in. we have a competent government and refugee process. we can't close the doors to this country. you can't dig a mote around the country and pull up the draw bridges. we're the leading global country. it's a humanitarian responsibility. we can keep ourselves safe in doing it. >> ambassador, appreciate your time today. >> thank you very much. appreciate it. >> ambassador nick burns. we'll get stop trading with jim in a moment. tomorrow, an interview with ken griffin of citadel. dow up 106 points. binge on, okay. t-mobis
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good wednesday morning. welcome back to "squawk on the street," i'm carl quintanilla with sara eisen, simon hobbs, david faber. dow up almost triple digits. nice upgrade of apple helping things. oil steady. housing starts had some good news, though overall a disappointment. keeping an eye on crude. >> we start with the latest in france. police raiding an apartment while hunting the suspectses of the architect of the paris terror attacks on friday. the operation ending with two dead and seven arrested.
michelle caruso-cabrera is live in the suburb of saint-denis with the latest. >> reporter: we are on the street where that raid took place overnight. it's about seven buildings down on the left. you can see police cars in front of it. for the last several hours we have seen police, crime scene investigators going in and out of the building removing items. there was video taken at the scene soon after the raid began, roughly at 4:30 in the morning. the video recorded the hail of gunfire that went on for some 15 minutes according to people who live in the neighborhood. [ gunfire ] then there was intermittent gunfire. at one point an explosion for several hours. french prosecutors said when the raid began, the special forces entered the apartment, a woman
wearing a suicide vest blew herself up. later in the day, reuters took pictures of the men being arrested, completely naked. there were seven arrests, two people dead, and that includes the woman who wore the suicide vest and another man in the apartment. the target of the raid, abdelhamid abaaoud. the architect, allege d architet of friday's attacks. no word on whether they got him in the raid. a late breaking development. spanish authorities say that french police have sent out an apb, all points bulletin for another suspect, salah abdeslam. he's the subject of an international manhunt. this neighborhood where we are is not far from the stade de france which is where three suicide bombers blew themselves up in an attempt to kill
parisians on friday night. as we have more information later on through the day, we'll bring it to you. we're waiting to see the identities of those killed and those who were arrested today. guys, back to you. >> michelle, you able to give us any information on these reports that an antidote for a potential gas attack is being prepared to be distributed through paris and france in general? >> i can give you no information about that at this time. no. not from where we are right now. we're very focused on this crime scene at this point. so, apologies. >> not at all. thank you very much. michelle caruso-cabrera live from paris. joining us this morning, former deputy assistant secretary of defense for middle east policy, brigadier general mark kimmet joins us. good to have you with us. >> thanks. >> we had a discussion about hollande's trip to the u.s. and the next trip to moscow what is
the take on potentially joining putin after everything we've been through over the past year and a half? >> at the military level that makes sense. we can talk about the politic all day and night. at the end of the day it's better to have one coordinated operation with all the parties involved working together, going against isis targets and the contribution of the russian military to this along with the 60-nation coalition that we currently have would be helpful. >> is there a sense that the operations that the french at least are taking in raqqah are constructive? does it make you wonder why some of these were not done before? >> well, militarily they're constructive. but we have a larger issue that to many this feeds into the narrative and, in fact, the narrative that our adversaries are promoting is that this is exactly the reason why we fight. it will be used by them to attract, to motivate, to recruit more and more fighters.
that's unhelpful. >> general kimmitt based on the information we're learning about this manhunt and the dramatic scene that unfolded in the saint-denis neighborhood, what does that tell but our and france's intelligence? that many of these people were on intelligence lists and close to french authorities and french police, potentially escaping through borders of europe? what does that tell you about the abilities to act on them? >> the main message that we're getting away from all of this in terms of intelligence is this is a relatively intelligent group of people that are taking advantage of the internet, encrypted messages -- >> no, no, no. i have it from -- >> go ahead. >> forgive me, sir. forgive me, general. carry on. >> again, they're taking advantage of the capabilities inside the internet to command and control these operations,
communicate with each other, by using encrypted technology that doesn't give us much of a signature, quite frankly all of our human intelligence with these groups is weak. >> general, i wonder if the discussion about syrian refugees may have taken our eyes off where we perhaps should be focused. six of the suspects from friday are french nationals who spent most of their upbringing in france. there are thousands of potential jihadists who are under constant juteny in france. there must be at some point a question as to whether the french authorities have got this situation. as a foreign nation, how do you gauge whether they have sufficient forces and resilience to deal with what may become even more serious if you have an election in two weeks time in which the far right gains in popularity? >> again, i think those are tactical and operational issues. the fact that we still have not
figured out how to attack the narrative, how to test the ideology means that you're going to be attracting recruits whether they are home grown, whether they are lone wolves or on the ground inside the region. if we make this a military operation, a security operation alone, we're going to be doing this for a generation. until we can break down this narrative this ideology, which is seen as legitimate by most of the islamic world as a legitimate form, a bad form, nonetheless a legitimate form of islam, if we don't counter that we'll be doing this for years. >> general, appreciate your time. thank you very much. >> sure. >> general mark kimmitt joini i us. >> we are joined from capitol hill by general ron johnson. thanks for joining us. >> good morning. >> plenty of questions as it
relates to this manhunt, who was involved, how many, how the organization took place. we are piecing together some details. what have you learned based on the pre-dawn dramatic events that happened in paris about isis' capability, style and what we have to do next. >> what i learned is what we all learned as we watched on the tv screen this tragedy unfold, isis is not contained. islamic terror is spreading, and that free nations are vulnerable. that's what we learned. we will be going to a couple secure brieffuls later today and get some more details. the basic fact of the matter is we're vulnerable and we need a far more robust intelligence gathering capability as our first line of defense and we have to defeat isis. we have to deny them territory. this is the civilized world against islamic terror. we have to take that threat seriously. >> what do we make of this grand coalition that president francois hollande is calling for
between the united states, europe, the allies and russia. how complicated would that be for the u.s. to work in coordination with russia with the mystery of -- their position with president assad. how difficult would that be? do you see this grand coalition becoming a reality? >> there are complications because we allowed this to spin out of control the last few years. the historic blunder of not leaving a stabilizing force behind in iraq, and the fraying of what coalitions we've had in the past, america should be leading this we should have been leading this coalition of the willing for the last few years. it's sad it's got to take this kind of tragedy and the french to lead it. america should be leading this. this literally is the civilized world against islamic terror. they've been at war with us since the mid '90s. we have undertaken some wars. we wiped them out in some places. but we have not stuck with it. we have not left the stabilizing force behind. we better take this seriously
and end this once and for all. >> what can you tell us -- i know based on your position, your communications with homeland security officials, what can you tell us about what extra is being done now to protect america from this threat that you have been warning about for a long time now? >> we obviously are at a heightened state of alert. a number of things are happening behind the scenes at airports, also at public events. but, again, we are a free nation, we have a lot of soft targets. we are vulnerable, which tells you that our first line of defense is a far more robust and effective intelligence gathering capability. unfortunately we are weakening is that. not only in terms of law but also technology. technology continues to advance. the general was talking about encrypted accounts. isis is sophisticated in using social media, using technology. we have to understand that. we have to beef up our own intelligence gathering capability. >> senator, more immediately, a lot of the conversation
inevitably is about what happens in syria and in the middle east. the terrorist attacks are on the streets of paris. as i mentioned there are 11,000, 12,000 suspected jihadists living in france. they are one commercial airline flight away from capitals, state capitals across this country. how does this nation respond to that? beyond simply airline security? at what point -- is there a point at which you say i'm not sure my allies in france necessarily have this on their own, with all the information sharing we give them, there has to be more this country does there to protect us here. >> well, listen, we are vulnerable. so, you have to -- let me repeat, we need a far more effective intelligence gathering capability and we have to defeat isis. we have to deny them territory. we have to wipe them out. then we have to go to any other safe haven. we cannot allow any safe haven for islamic terror to continue to spread. we have to understand the reality of the situation.
we can no longer deny it. not call them the jv team, say they're contained. recognize and face the harsh reality and deal with it in a robust fashion. this is the civilized world against islamic terror. we have to engage in that fight and win that fight. this is a very virulent debate in this country in an environment where it looks like the president wants to shut down guantanamo bay, a third rail for many people in your party. at what point does the rubber hit the road in the practicality of passing the spending bills that have go through for the beginning of december. paul ryan was indicating yesterday he is prepared to get more aggressive on that. >> why would we close down guantanamo? i've been there. it's a first class facility. that's one area we can hold these terrorists so they don't engage in further acts of terror. that's also a way you gather
intelligence. you capture these people and over a series of years you interrogate them, test their stories. why in the world would we want to shut down that operation is beyond me. our first and foremost priority is keeping this nation safe. we need a xhancommander in chieo ja and weres that imperative. >> we've seen the isis video with plots in the pipeline threatening the u.s. how seriously do you take some of these reported threats to d.c. or other american cities? >> did you see what happened to paris on friday? we all have to take these threats seriously. >> senator -- >> you think the threat is equivalent to what paris had been under previously. >> i think paris -- certainly paris has a bigger problem because they have a large muslim problem. we don't have such a large muslim population. there are not as many
communities where the terrorists can khide. all free nations are vulnerable. we have got to take this seriously. i don't think we've taken it seriously enough. >> we let you go, i did want to ask you about the refugee debate raging across this country. governor jeb bush breaking with some fellow republican governors and presidential candidates saying we should allow them in. it's in our history. he called it a noble ptradition. do we have the capability to background check them to keep the country safe. >> we're holding hearings tomorrow. one of the secure briefings is tonight and we'll find out what that vetting process is. so, i understand people calling for a pause, it's probably a reasonable reaction. let's get the facts out there. let's not let democragoguery ta
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raising year-end guidance. but the stock lower today. almost 5%. chris horvath joins us to talk about that. good morning. good morning. >> i heard a couple things. one that it was unspectacular, but given the environment fine is good enough. others are pointing to this sequential slowdown in web sales as worrying. where is your head. >> as you step back what's going on here is that brian cornell joined a year ago. he beat every quarter since joining, and this is the first where we didn't see an upbeat. sales were good, but gross margin was down. so i think there's a question out there, "a," what's the health of the consumer and, "b," is the honeymoon over as it relates to the numbers and new ceo. >> that was one short honeymoon if it's over. >> yeah. i don't think it's over. i think broadly, as you step back on the consumer, target
putting up a 1.9% comp for a $70 billion company with 20% of the mix in that troubled apparel, weather-sensitive category, i look at the results and say that's pretty good overall. i think generally, as we look to year-end, the consumer group and retail group ends up rallies as santa does show up around december 25th. >> do you think it's fair the way apparel seems to have become the locusts of all things regarding retail? >> yeah. you know, we get most of the questions we're getting from investors these days, it's is the consumer heading for a recession? i point to walmart, home depot, lowe's and target. that's a half trillion dollars in u.s. sales. i don't know how you question the health of the consumer. it's not great. but it's solid. so, i think the apparel issue has a lot to do with secular issues around internet encroachment and the weather has been flat out too warm against a favorable back drop. >> i'm wondering when it comes
to target's turnaround, you don't sound fully convinced yet. walmart is trying to pull off a turnaround. we saw signs of growth in the traffic, sales number. where are each of those companies relatively in their turnaround efforts? >> yep. so if you think about target's turnaround, brian cornell doing a great job of driving signature categories around home and apparel. driving better in stocks. the big question going forward for him is what can he do with food? food is about 20% of the mix. he has not announce at big initiative there. that's the big thing on tap for 2016. for walmart, i think they're making progress. traffic continues to accelerate. ultimately they need to become more competitive online if they want to sustain above a 2% comp. >> coming back on the general health of the consumer, we talk about the move to online, amazon. but what about this move to services at the same time. the idea that people might spend more on travel or gyms or nail
and hair. stuff that we're not picking up through the normal corporate reporting cycle. >> that's a part of it. the consumer is time starved. as a person who works at jpmorgan and three children under 11, i'm searching for spare minutes on the weekend. i think people are time-starved and looking for experiences. so hopping out to the mall and buying apparel is not where they're focused now. if you look at the spending in the home category, they're spending on the environment, spending where they live. you could say the same thing as you suggest around the travel industry. >> finally, chris, the times today has a piece quoting several analysts that the battle between traditional retailers and amazon is effectively over. that amazon is demonstrating they can make money, that silicon valley stopping investment in e-commerce because of amazon. is it that simple? >> i think that is way too simplified. you know, if you look at it,
home depot last year, 20% of their sales growth was online. if you look at the average retailer, the average retailer is growing their e-commerce business between 10%, 25% year over year. if you look at the overall e-commerce growth as reported, that is ahead of those numbers. i think there's misinterpretation. yes, amazon has become more profitable. but retailers are a lot more competitive with better websites 40% of orders from best buy and home depot are picked up in store. walmart ultimately rolls out this click and collect feature around grocery where you pull up, someone brings the cart out to your trunk and they load it for you and you drive away. it's going to be hard to get around the fact there are so many stores conveniently located to the consumer. >> that's walmart's hope. chris, thanks again. >> thank you. >> chris horvers, busy dad at jpmorgan. >> coming up, the latest events in paris. we will talk to former fbi
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. good morning. i'm sue herera. french police raiding a church near the site of this morning's siege in saint-denis, a suburb north of paris. officers broke down the door, climbed through the windows to search the premises. it's not known why police were checking that particular building. residents were allowed back into the area following the police raid on the apartment in saint-denis. seven people were arrested. two were killed during the seven-hour siege. in manila, president obama urging business leaders to reduce emissions in operation and use their influence to pressure governments to sign on to the global climate change agreement. he and dozens other leaders are
slated to convene in paris to finalize that agreement. security tight at the vatican as 20,000 people gathered to listen to pope francis. military police were checking bags as people arrived while plainclothes officered mingled with the crowd. and that is the news update. let's get to jackie with the inventory report. jackie? >> welcome back to "squawk on the street." i'm jackie deangeles. the department of energy out with the energy report. a small build here, 252,000 barrels. the api predicted a draw. traders were looking for a million barrel build. but you have to look at what happened in run rates. and total production numbers will be in focus as well. right now prices are trading
lower here. $41 even. we were higher. five things to focus on when it comes to the crude trade, not just this data, but also what's happening with the data. geopolitics very much in focus. december expiration on friday that creates volatility and there are less shorts in the market. it's a cautious tone here. back to you. >> thanks for the breaking numbers and the context. we have breaking news out of washington, d.c. let's go to eamon javers. >> news from the new york state department of financial services regarding barclays. this is an embargo release. barclays will pay an additional $150 million penalty to the new york state department of finances and is terminating its global fixed income, currency and commodities for misconduct
relating to the last look process. this tells you where we are in the high frequency trading wars back and forth. ba they used the system to look at client orders that would be unprofitable for the bank because of price swings during milliseconds long latency hold periods. barkleys developed this as a defensive measure against high frequency traders to make sure prices were not moving in a way that would be unprofitable for barclays. the press release saying in certain instances when a client received a trade not acknowledged message and questioned barclays cited technical issues or vague responses. look at this e-mail this is a june 6, 2011 e-mail.
this to employees. do not involve sales in any why whatsoever. in fact, avoid mentioning the existence of the whole bats last look functionality. if you get inquiries, just obfuscate and stonewall. we have reached out to barclays and will get their side of the story when we have it. french police continue to hunt for those responsible for friday's attacks, last night targeting one of the two suspected ring leaders. our next guest worked in u.s. counterintelligence and says the paris attacks could have a massive influence on other terror cells around the world. clint van zandt joins us from fredericksburg, virginia. welcome to the program. >> good morning. >> from what you see on the
television, from what you see authorities say, how do you think that will affect behavior? >> well, one thing they have to be careful of is that, of course, this is theater as far as terrorists are concerned. this is a tremendous recruiting tool. even the smallest attack in france or anywhere around the world will be lumped in with something like this. so if you're a terrorist, you have at least two goals. number one, get all the media attention you can. number two, just as we saw this assault by french police today, they're closing in on these terror cells. so, if you're a member of yet another cell, you may think in your mind i have to act very quickly to strike before the authorities find me and arrest me. >> is there any response then that the authorities or the media can come up with that diffuses that to any extent? >> that's always the challenge. it's your obligation and other networks to report these things. we don't want to give too much
attention to the propaganda films where we have members of isis shaking their fingers at us while they're dragging bodies behind their vehicles. there's a balance between information and the fear and consternation that it concerns. but we have to be informed. new york has always been right. if you see something, say something. what do you and other members of the media, keep us informed, make us ready to dial 911 if we see something. >> did it surprise you to learn these attackers were camping out so close to the scenes of the attack? and that some of them were already high profile targets? at least one on the french intelligence agencies? >> some of these terrorists were known to u.s. counterintelligence, too. we're going to be slow to talk about what we knew. we did know that. as far as the terrorists still being, as you know, just outside of paris when that assault took place today, once the assault
takes place, the terrorists have two options, run, try to get out of the area, or hunker down, hope you don't get found, and in this case plan the second operation. that appears to be what they did. now, the paris police authorities are telling us they developed this information based on cell phones recovered from the bodies of the previous decreasd deceased terrorists. the job is to seek these sells o cells out, find them. >> as chief negotiator for the fbi, you had to make hairtrigger decisions on whether to go in in certain situations. there is within the shadow of the european commission and parliament a run down area of
brussels where it would appear that jihadists live. and they consult without anybody paying attention. the local mayor suggested they lost control of that district. what would your judgment be when you know there are potential terrorists and masterminds in there? would you go in? disrupt? or do you leave them? >> number one, you would like to believe you have sources of intelligence already there. undercover officers, paid informa informants, that you have the ability. as we're told helped to take down this group this morning. wiretaps going on. justice may be blind, as in the united states we show justice with the eyes covered, but justice should not be stupid. if you know that potential exists, we need to watch it realize we're told to watch any potential terror suspect 24
hours a day, takes about 20 law enforcement officers per suspect. when you do the math, there's not enough police officers to watch the number of suspects that we believe are out there. >> more than that, i think at some point the question will come back whether france is actually capable of dealing with this. there are 11,500 suspected jihadi terrorists in france. the opposition is saying let's put them under house arrest or tag them. with the ratios you're talking about, with the knowledge you have, if they start, it's almost uncontainable. >> it very much is. they don't have the capability. short-term we can activate police, military, national guard, we can throw hundreds of law enforcement and military on the street. but you can't keep that up long-term. it's like in the attacks in january, some of the individuals involved in the french attacks had been under surveillance, law
enforcement determined they were not that significant of a threat. and had to dedicate surveillance assets somewhere else. as soon as they did that, the individuals got back to planning and did the attack. it shows how we try to leapfrog from suspect to suspect. if we're right good, if we're wrong, we see another attack. good to get your input, sir. when we come back, the president of the council on foreign relations, richard haass joins us with his take on the events in paris and the american response. "squawk on the street" will be right back.
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. welcome back to "squawk on the street." utilities and telecom, two sectors in the red trading today. both competing as the worst performing in the s&p 500 this ahead of the fed's october meeting minutes. weighing the sector down, pse & g, nextera, first energy. all down by a percent in trading. utilities as a group, the second worst performing sector this year behind energy stocks. these rate sensitive sectors will be a focus given the fed headlines anticipated today. >> absolutely. energy on top of the bunch leading the s&p 500 higher today. back to the situation in paris now with new raids overnight leading to more arrests and heightened tensions. for more on the international response and what will be done in the fight against isis, we welcome richard haass. good to see you.
>> thank you, sara. >> let's talk about the u.s. response. you wrote in project syndicate this is a war unconventional. is america prepared and do we know how to fight that unconventional war? >> one way or another we'll find out. what i mean it's unconventional, it's not fought by soldiers on declared or defined battlefields. there will be some of that you'll have elements of this that will look a lot like a war in places like iraq and syria. though there the challenge is more than anything to find a ground partner. you have aspects of this that are anything but traditiontradi. you have a digital dimension, a digital battlefield because isises has been good at explo exploiting that space. as in paris, there's the whole homeland security, law enforcement, immigration dimension of this struggle. so this is, as i tried to argue,
a war in multiple domains using multiple tools. >> what we're seeing in terms of just an immediate response, france has stepped up air strikes, russia has been bombing, the u.s. has been bombing. how coordinated or uncoordinated are these attacks, how effective are they? >> certainly the u.s. and french attacks have been coordinated. we've been helping with intelligence. hopefully the russian aircraft, french aircraft are not getting in each other's way. again, i would not exaggerate what all of that can do. you can't win this from the air. there's got to be a significant ground component. united states tried to create one from scratch. that failed miserably. now we're largely working with the kurds and selective arab tribes. that, i think, has some potential. but diplomacy is trying to see
if you couldn't get a different government in damascus, no one longer headed by assad that would be a government that in principle we can partner with. i think that's going to be difficult if not impossible to bring about. so i'm guessing that we find limited local ground partners and you end up having a syria that looks like a multiple enclaves for years or decades to come. >> more on the russia question. do you think this is the bow beginning of the end of moscow's isolation from the west? >> that's a good question. the russians seem to have put the situation in ukraine on kind of hold. so that certainly won't escalate. it's possible overtime that will reduce sanctions there. the bigger question is what role russia chooses to play in damascus and their isolation could grow or diminish depending on whether they play what is seen as a constructive role. so far the jury is out. the fact they've been attacking groups that we have been
supporting has not been a good start. but now that they themselves have been attacked, that might ab serious wakeup call. it's possible before this is done mr. putin will become something of a partner. >> sir, what happens to the -- the european capitals around the world? thank god the bomb didn't go off yesterday in germany that was suspected at a big soccer game there. listening to you, i don't take a huge amount of comfort that we'll be able to sort out these problems of these angry embedded jihadists in europe, who were there for al qaeda as they are for isis. how do we solve that problem and where the rubber meets the road for most people? >> the answer is you don't solve it, it's not a problem. it's a condition. this is something you've got to learn to manage and live with. so, part of it is doing a better job at vetting those who want to return. part of it is trying to keep tabs on individuals who have
radical backgrounds and associatio associations, which is a law enforcement and intelligence problem. figure out ways of radicalization. you're talking about millions of people throughout europe and in the united states. so, even if a minute percentage of these millions goes radical and violent, as we've seen in paris you have an enormous problem on your hands. >> at some point as those add up, and as the pictures become more horrific potentially moving forward, at what point do you change your strategy to that and say this is more than an intelligence matter? when does it become a different order of magnitude that you say it's in the united states interest to physically intervene if some form here to a greater extent, to help the situation. this is a hotbed in the same way
syria is a hotbed. >> again, there's no solution here. we have to look at ways of adjusting to this new normal. did might mean taking a page out of israel's book. every time you go to a supermarket, movie theater, ball game, you get your packages, handbag inspected, go through medal detectors. we may try to reduce the softness of daily targets in our lives. it's not a pleasant future but this could well be in our future. >> it's a scary thought. richard before we let you go, i wanted to ask you about the race for 2016 and how this changed that. you advised presidents, you advised secretaries of states on this issue, on this region. what would you advise the presidential candidates now as the race turns into more one about a commander in chief than a more traditional campaign? >> that will inject a degree of seriousness.
it will send the message that we are electing a commander in chief. peoples knowledge of and comfort level with some of the real challenges president obama faces or his successor will face, they will be chris christie is giving a speech at the council on foreign relations, i believe. you're going to start seeing more and more of the candidates step up to address these issues just like the democratic debate at the 11th hour was made to some extent focus on these issues. what they're going to have to do is show they're familiar with the issues, and they've actually got some ideas about what to do about the challenges. >> real solutions. thank you, richard haas. valuable as always. the president of the council on foreign relations. jim grant will join us this afternoon. we get fed minutes. we'll be back after this quick break.
the heavily scrutinized company. shares have fallen more than 70% since early august over concerns about its use of a u.s. specialty pharmaceutical company as price spikes for some of its drugs. those shares certainly in focus. now off to chicago, rick santelli and the santelli exchange. back to you. >> thank you, dom. jim grant is a busy guy, but maybe the bible of fixed income markets, swrim grant, of course, interest rate observer, read very aggressive loy this trading floor. thank you so much for being our guest today. >> you are entirely welcome, rick. nice to be here. >> all right. you know, i'm always amazed at how much power central banks and our fed have taken since the crisis and yet, how little americans know about the central bank. would you say that savers in this country would really enjoy getting a 6% interest rate on any of their money? would that be something you think they would like at this time of very low saving rates?
>> rick, around wrigley field, i think that's called a hanging curve ball. savers would relish that. you know, the fed will pay 6% to the banks that hold shares. the equity in the regional banks like federal reserve bank of chicago or new york, but because only half of the price of those shares is paid in, the effective dividend is actually 12%. as much as an average american saving would relish 6%, he or she, i dare say, would like 12 even more. >> now, it isn't just the member banks that are getting these dividends, which, by the way, are tax exempt. there's too big to fail banks in that process as well. maybe you could explain how that works. >> too big to fail banks are, of course, banks in their own way. i mean, the way it works is -- who owns the fed? well, we, the people, own the problem, but as for the institution, the ownership is apportioned among the 12
regional banks and to be able to partake of the fed's favors such as the discount window, one bank must own shares up to a certain point -- stipulated point in the federal reserve bank in question. now, the bank must own so many and no more, and the shares are not voting. it is purely a nominal state of ownership. what i think is really telling about this, rick, is that this is kind of a ghostly presence of bank governance past, so the bank has to buy the shares, but it only has to pay in half of the capital. why? because half is held in reserve in case of impairment or a bankruptcy of the federal reserve bank branch in question. this was the way it worked in america from the early dawn of the 19th century through the mid-1930s. if you were a bank stockholder, you were on the hook for a capital call for the most part if your bank, the bank in which you owned a fractional interest,
became impaired or insolvent. the bank shareholders owned the problem as well as receive the dividend. that is still the way it works at least theoretically, with respect to the federal reserve banks, the branches, the district banks, and the banks that belong to those, or that own the equity in those reserve banks. >> thank you, jim. listen, we only have about 30 seconds left. quickly, we have the minutes today. i was wondering if you could give me some idea of how the conundrum of rates should be at zero, but a bad time to raise them currently. is there an easy way out of this? >> no. another easy -- no, there is no ease where i way out. money talks and talks, but this is ridiculous. one hopes really just for mercy that they would do something so as to change the topic. you it said so well. this is not the ideal time in which to raise a rate. everything from the price of copper to the state of leverage loan markets suggests that things are in the delicate way rather than the strong way. just be glad that you and i,
rick, are not running the fed. not that that was a close call, but i think we can both be glad we're not doing it. >> excellent. jim, thank you so much, and we're going to go back to sarah eisen. >> as we all contemplate that. thank you. coming up, the governor of connecticut explains why his state will continue to accept syrian refugees. squawk alley up next. conquer the weather. don't let it conquer you.
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