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♪ xxx ♪ welcome to "squawk alley" for a tuesday. joining us, john, kayla, myself at post nine as we are watching a rally that has withered a bit. dow session high was up 1 93. obviously off the highs of the morning. the price of crude is the touch point. a new 12-year low this morning. this is one of those situations, guys, where we have seen rallies in the open get sold, and we wondered if this would repeat itself. the best gain for the dow has
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been 52. all that said, it's still about the best the dow has done all year. >> still a pretty lackluster start to the year. it seems, carl, as though we wake up well, see relative stability in china despite that off shore yuan rate. then there's not that much to go on. there's not that much buying sentiment in the market to propel it further. we're waiting on more data throughout the month, but so far lackluster trade. >> overall, though, tech is not looking so bad. i always like to look at where a couple of key stocks are. apple is up a full 1%. intel up better than that. semis not doing too poorly. netflix up 1.5%. this is not one of those markets where everything sort of is stagnant. as we're going to talk more about later, some of the ipo's, not doing so well. etsy down 5%. nearly 6%. >> we are going to talk with mike santoli about what the ipo market has been showing us. etsy the poster child to some
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degree. apple and siena all up. apple, of course, is a big b of a call as they go to buy on apple with the target. a lot of these stocks that have been discounted somewhat in the case of apple to reflect a slower iphone cycle, maybe some believe have caught up. >> how about the dividend yield? near 2.1% on apple right now. everybody talks about when apple is so high, i'm going to buy the dip. here's your dip. who is going to buy it? we'll see. >> jason, angel investor, joining us to talk about the b of a apple upgrade. >> good morning. >> it's been a rough start for the year for the nasdaq. if we close down today, that's nine under. we haven't done that since 1984. what's your overall view on how the year shaped up? >> yeah, well, we were looking at, you know, the tech industry and the overall market in the summer, q3, everybody was
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panicked about the bubble. what we've had is a controlled deflation of the bubble in really three different areas. obviously the stock market is taking a nice hit, and price earning ratios will come down a bit. that's probably healthy. everybody getting a little more realistic and having some ability to make a profit in the future. in the area where i'm most active, angel investing, valuations have been cut in half. in some cases two-thirds. in an area that impacts me significantly as an angel investor, the late stage private company valuations, we all know the story there. the last round you raised, you know, in 2015 was probably going to be a high water mark for your company for the next couple of years. control of deflation, and it feels pretty good, actually, to reset expectations a little bit. >> how much longer does this go on? this controlled deflation you speak of. >> i think what we're going to need to see is the private companies are going to have to prove that their businesses are sustainable and profitable, and
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that is the great hashing out that's occurring right now very quietly, very privately. everybody is taking their, you know, balance sheets and figuring out do we have enough money to get to profitability, and what will this company look like when it goes to the public market? you know, it's actually a very reassuring thing for people who are in the tech industry to see, hey, listen, we're not crashing here, but this controlled deflation is resetting, you know, this last little frothy part, and the bubble talk is over. there's not a bubble now. it's being cleaned up. now we can all just focus on building these, you know, world-changing businesses. that's really the big story here. >> we mentioned the apple call. b of a upgrading apple to buy. the firm says iphone concerns are now priced in. it's bullish on several opportunities, including a new watch, the iphone 7. that's helping put apple shares almost back to 100 today. meantime, elan musk says, of course, apple is building a car. he says it's pretty hard to hide something if you hire over 1,000
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engineers to do it. everyone is watching to see, jason, if apple can develop a really significant fat new revenue stream. do you think the car is it? >> yeah. i don't know if they're going to be able to get a car to market. i think they might be testing the waters right now, seeing how far they can take it, and, you know, the more likely scenario might be that they're building an operating system for cars at a deep integration and just seeing if they can build the enabling software. to build an actual car, yeah, it's in their wheelhouse. they know how to do manufacturing. that would be a five-year story before the car is available for purchase, so sure, why not try, but i think that, you know, apple's best chance of putting out a great car is to convince elan to sell them tesla. it's going to take five years. they're clearly going after this market and transportation is going to become, you know, a changed industry in that the majority of miles in the next five to ten years, somewhere in
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that window -- the majority of miles driven will be done autonomously. that might be closer to ten than five, but it's definitely going to be here in a decade, and then how you pay for a car, how you buy a car, that's the topic that most people aren't talking about, but that's going to be the big win. does tesla sell you the car? does tesla sell you a share in a car? does tesla sell you 10,000 miles? do you rent it on a per hour basis? i don't know that people want to be making these huge purchases anymore of cars if they're all autonomous and you can sort of just summon one to take you where you want to go. >> we've seen some of these partnerships crop up, jason, as we work toward that. the washington post today points out that apple and google are partnering with more than 40 companies in sort of an exploratory way, but there's a detroit auto exec that's quoted, and he said there's one word to describe how silicon valley views us, and that is as prey. how uneasy are these alliances and who is actually benefitting from them?
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>> yeah, the more people in the alliance, the greater the chance it's going to fail. especially in a complex technology industry. you want to have the whole car, the mapping system, you want to have all of this under one group of engineers, and a tight one of brilliant engineers to make it actually work. i think that all the automotive industry, you know, the best they can hope for is, you know, that they may be able to die a slow death. i don't think it's going to be a very good experience for them to be totally honest. i think they're going to get their bells rung. >> this i will say about the car thing. there are two conflicting cultural things with apple when it comes to the possibility they will put out a car. one is they don't like to partner and put the fate of a product in somebody else's hands. they tried that with the phone with motorola with the rocker first. it was a disaster. i think that's part of the reason why they want to build out the capability. but, on the other hand, they hate putting out products that are heavily regulated. that's why they don't want the
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apple watch to be a medical device. cars are heavily regulated. there's a big opportunity there, and there's arguably no opportunity like the smartphone left. as they get into cars, oh, my goodness, there's lots of red tape that they're potentially going to be bogged down with. we got to see which one of those tendencies at apple wins out with a product like that. >> i think those are all very astute points. i don't think you're going to be able to bolt self-driving on to a bunch of old fords or a bunk of old chevys. i don't think it's going to work. you are going to have to build these cars from the bottom up. you'll have to retool the entire factory or rebuild the entire factory, and i think the big secret here is that elan has figured out self-driving. i mean, he is talking about it an awful lot on twitter, and he is not somebody to be underestimated. when he figures something out, it comes out rather quickly. remember, we're just five years away from the automotive industry making fun of elan being a major competitor, and now they're staring at the ceiling at 2:00 in the morning, you know, screaming his name. i mean, it's the nightmare for the car companies that they have
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him as a competitor. >> you mentioned twitter, jason. twitter's periscope gets a big upgrade today. julia is live in l.a. with some details on that. hey, julia. >> hey, carl. after buying periscope last march twitter is integrating the live feeds into its news feeds announcing that periscope has had over 100 million broadcasts since its launch. starting today followers of anyone who broadcasts via periscope will start seeing videos auto playing in their timeline instead of just links to the app. now they'll be able to expand the video and see hearts and comments without leaving twitter and advertisers can pay to promote tweets with periscope, but twitter users will not be able to broadcast or comment within twitter. they'll still have to download the separate app. now, with twitter user growth struggling and its stock down 49% over the past year, this move does tap into the growing popularity of mobile video, and
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it should boost periscope viewers. the buy rating on the stock says this morning that this is a "step in the right direction that could potentially drive user engagement followed by user growth." this move does come a month after facebook started rolling out its live feature, introduced for celebrities back in august to all of facebook verified users and brands. facebook users can broadcast and interact within the app and facebook automatically archives the videos. twitter wants to be the destination for live events. we'll see if this can help twitter add more users. carl. >> that is the name of the game, julia. thank you very much. of course, jack dorsey has to hope that might turn around the stock price. shares are down today or were earlier this morning. down about 25% since jack returned as ceo. jason, time has a piece up this morning saying that the fact that they're going back to their portfolio, their acquisition portfolio argues the marginal value for them is really outside the platform. do you agree? >> no, i don't necessarily agree with that. i think what we can take from the first couple of months of
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jack's tenure is he is going to release a lot of product. he is going to talk about it. it's going to be the opposite of the yahoo situation which was, you know, they didn't release any new features or products. the discussions were all about divesting investments. jack is dealing with the stock being at an all-time low, and expectations are horrible for the company. let's be frank. he is releasing new product, and he is basically getting them on a release schedule with a lot of innovative stuff. what's interesting about the piece that we just watched is that facebook is catching up to twitter in the case of the live video. it is possible for them to innovate. he is talking about expanding how long a tweet is. that seems trivial, but it does mean that they could use twitter as a blogging platform. listen, it's hard to be bullish on twitter right now given everything that's occurred, but i do think it's great when you see a company releasing new products on such a consistent
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basis so early on in the tenure of a ceo. i think it's going to -- i think twitter has some good pducts that are going to come out in the coming year. it's going to be a good 2016. >> it works. i mean, if you have ios and you open up your twitter app, it works. the periscopes play. it works pretty well. i don't think this is big for twitter itself. it's more like a really good advertisement for periscope. people who maybe haven't tried it, haven't downloaded the app, haven't signed on. when they start seeing the periscopes playing in their twitter feed, they might say, oh, hey, i want to interact with this celebrity. i think that's where it comes down for this particular product. can twitter -- >> is it bad for vine? >> no because vines are incredibly crafted. you have to do a lot of the work to get a good vine out. to get a good one out. live video is a different kind of genre, if you will. we'll see how the power users really use this and if they can link a big audience into it.
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>> yeah. it's going to be -- live video is going to be a new format. if you look at snap chat, which i'm really bullish on, there's a guy named d.j.kalan that is getting three million views every time he releases a short video. by comparison the kardashian show gets, like, 1.5 million or 2 million viewers every sunday. i'm not sure what they get in reruns, but it's probably ad a little added to it. this is a new format that will come out. when they allow the individuals to start monotizing it, and they're well into tests of splitting revenue over at twitter, this is when the new medium forms and we talked about it last summer that youtube-ification of twitter. will there be stars that emerge on twitter that share the revenue with the platform and are drawn to the platform as a place they release their primary art, the place they first publish video? that's starting to happen. people popping up the periscopes all over the place. >> jason, good to see you again. jason who has a twitter about
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when we might see an apple car. @jason, to go vote. rupert murdock announcing his engagement. plus, the list of tech companies falling below their ipo prices. twitter, gopro, fitbit. why they're falling and what it means for the ipo market? as uber's revenue grows, so do the lawsuits. a look at the company's books from last year. the dow rally is almost completely gone. we were up 192. we're now up 16. we're back in a minute. we live in a pick and choose world.
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save $600 on the #1 rated i8 bed. know better sleep with sleep number. rupert murdock and geri hall announcing their engagement late yesterday in, where else, but one of murdock's own papers. robert frank is back at headquarters with a look at the financials of this new wrun. robert. >> well, it's the fourth marriage for rupert murdoch. and the fourth for hall. he is 84. she is 59. it comes two years after his bitter divorce from his third wife. that ended with a settlement that awarded her far more than her prenup alwed. you can be sure that murdoch and his attorneys are working on a strong prenup this time around. it is likely to have gts impact on the news corp. since the trust agreements that give
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murdoch family control over those companies are unaffected. murdoch turned the reigns over to his sons. murdoch has six kids. ms. hall has four. her relationship with mick jagger, they were never married, ended in 1999, and she recently played the role of mrs. robinson in the graduate on stage in london and sydney. murdoch worth $10 billion. hall's worth a little more unclear. clearly, she is wealthy in her own right. as for where the couple will live, well, he is selling two properties in manhattan right now. a $72 million penthouse, and a townhouse in the villas for $29 million. he recently bought a 60-acre vineyard and estate in bel air, california, for $28 million. a vineyard, that would be a nice place for the two of them to hang out after they get married. guys, back to you. >> yes, indeed. thank you, robert frank. up next, another great cnbc
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exclusive interview coming your way. the ceo of glascos smithkline.
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. welcome back. let's get out to the jp morgan health care conference in san francisco for oun own meg terrell joining us with an exclusive interview with the ceo of glasgow smith kline. take it away. >> thank you. joining us now is sir andrew. >> good morning, meg. >> there's a lot of focus on the pressure on the drug industry in terms of pricing, issues like that, and bernie sanders actually just put out a statement this morning opposing the fda nominee for commissioner of the fda where sanders said the pharmaceutical industry ceos are more focused on making obscene profits than saving lives. this is the kind of stuff that's being said about the drug industry right now. how do you respond? >> i don't think that kind of rhetoric is true and not
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supported by the fact of what we do in this industry. hundreds of thousands of people work for companies like gsk doing some amazing science. if we look at some of the progress we're making, progress we make in h.i.v., for example, the way we're impacting cancer, the way we've impacted hepatitis c. contacts at gilead have made extraordinary progress. the number one driver of our employees is to find better treatments for patients here in the u.s. and worldwide. now, understandably, people are concerned about how to get access and afford some of those treatments, and what we need to do as an industry is work harder to work with other stake holders, including potentially members of government, to make sure that pricing is sustainable. that we get a decent return for the risk that's taken on those drug discoveries. that scientists get rewarded for all the risks and hard work they did. we also get the balance right to make sure that every day people can afford these medicines. we need to do a better job of making sure that conversation is going forward, it's progressive, and we get to a situation where we can continue to be optimistic
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for great treatments and potentially cures for other diseases we worry about today, like cancer, like alzheimer's, like dementia. these are the diseases we have to make progress on now. >> are you changing your approach to drug pricing from what you have done in the past? are you changing the way you do your business? >> i think we've been clear. we've been outspoken about the need for changes in drug pricing. i've made no secret of the fact that i think at gsk we can be successful at innovating and being reasonable pricing. i'm proud of the last six drugs that we launched here in america. they were all launched at the same or lower prices than the previous generations of medicines that we were abling to supersede. that's a really practical point of evidence to show that you can make this happen. by the way, those medicines accounted for 14% of our pharma revenues in q3 last year. we're successful with those products. we're delivering them at prices which i think send a message that we're not trying to simply maximize profits. we need to get the balance
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right. our business over the last 18 months or so, our u.s. net prices have been falling. we've been having a reduction in our prices over the last 18 months as we've given higher discounts to various payers here in the united states. i think we need to make sure this conversation is calm. it's really important that it's done right, that we get the balance right. people get access to good medicines. it's crucial that we continue to have a stimulus and incentive for people to continue to take the high risk -- that give us the medicines we rely on today and are hoping for tomorrow. >> i want to ask you about the future of gsk. one thing people talk about with you guys is some pressure to split the company. you know, pfizer is a well rewarded stock. everything is under pressure, but it's a stock that investors like because they are talking about a split-up. how do you look at that? >> what we've been doing since i have been ceo is really trying to build up a business that has real potential for long-term sustainable growth. we had to work our way through really the old generation of products, most of which were going generic, and we've responded that by building up
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now a really scaled consumer health care business and partnership with novartis, one of the biggest in the world. the biggest vaccine company in the world. a strong pharmaceutical pipeline. those three businesses are all going to grow. we know we're going to come back to growth this year. we expect to see earnings per share reach double digit growth at cr basis in 2016. we're optimistic about what that business can do. what that also means is it creates for the first time proper optionality and in terms of what might be our long-term corporate structure. now, what we have to do in 2016 and 2017 is get all of that business really humming, get through all the various integrations that we started last year, deliver the performance that we've promised. that's what we're absolutely committed to do. then we'll see what's right for the shareholders going forward. i think for the very first time we do have that scale of optionality, and, of course, we're not closed-minlded to what could make the best probable. >> a lot more to talk about. sir andrew witty, thank you for
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joining us. >> thank you. >> we have activist investor alex denner, newly named the chairman of ariad. back to you. >> thanks, meg terrell in san francisco. up next, stocks mixed today, but some major tech companies continue to trade well below their ipo prices. twitter, gopro, etsy, fitbit, just a few of the big names struggling. we'll take a look at those and their impact on the overall ipo market when "squawk alley" comes back. at td ameritrade, they work hard. wow, that was random. random? no. it's all about understanding patterns. like the mail guy at 3:12pm every day or jerry getting dumped every third tuesday. jerry: every third tuesday. we have pattern recognition technology on any chart plus over 300 customizable studies to help you anticipate potential price movement. there's no way to predict that. td ameritrade.
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good morning. i'm sue herrera. here is your cnbc news update this hour. turkish emergency services rushing people to the hospital after an explosion rocked the historic tourist district in istanbul, killing ten and injuring 15 others. mostly german citizens. turkey's prime minister is blaming isis for the suicide bombing. the supreme court striking down florida's death sentencing procedure ruling the state cannot give a judge the power to impose the death penalty after a jury's advisory verdict. the decision by an 8-1 vote brought florida in line with the national standard. judge samuel aledo descenting. airbus's 100 more plane orders than rival boeing, but the american plane maker delivered more planes to customers. airbus said it took in better than expected 1,036 orders and delivered 635 jets, but boeing said it took in 768 orders and
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it delivered 762 aircraft. and the powerball jackpot now at $1.5 billion and growing. the lump sum cash payment? $930 million before taxes. the drawing will be held tomorrow night, and while you daydream, just remember, your odds of winning are one in 292 million. good luck. that's the cnbc news update this hour. back to "squawk alley." carl, do you have your ticket yet? >> apparently there's no rush because it just keeps growing, sue. >> got to get a ticket, carl. >> that's an amazing number. >> you have to be in it to win it. >> sue herrera. taking a look at the dow. we were up 192 points earlier this morning. every component was in the green. we had upgrades of intel, upgrades of apple, upgrades of coke. it's gone. we're down about nine points. we're watching crude just a few pennies above -- in the 30s. that's going to be a key for the afternoon. meantime, europe is closing, and simon is here with the close. >> carl, it's a similar
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direction in europe. we had a strong opening and took the dax up 2.2%. towards the close, germany now is up. wait for it to change. 1.7. spain just dipped into negative territory. it's interesting, though, the retailers are doing particularly well. morrison's, the big supermarket chain, came out with light sales. you can see the way the shorts have been knocked out of those. tesco. you can still see that the big german discounters are winning, but from the beaten down base they're higher, and metro, which is the big cash and carry operator in germany, they, too, came through reporting a very good christmas. we still need detail on that. sap, the enterprise software giant competing with oracle, today preannounced with profit and revenue slightly ahead of expectations, as many people thought it would do. the interesting thing is this very strong surge back from the beginning of september, up 32%. you can look at the figures and say, well, maybe they're sacrificing margin in the race against oracle.
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nonetheless, that is a stook that has one, and it's close to an all-time high. in the meantime, the automotive makers have also done well in a flattish market in europe. flat to positive. pershia, which you may not know because it doesn't sell here. it sells in europe and asia. it had strong china sales out, which people are running with. sales up 8.9% in the fourth quarter. volkswagen continues to make gains as well. obviously everybody knows the history there. the latest on the organizational changes is that the public affairs, the government department will be a discreet -- a separate department that will report directly to the ceo as he tries, of course, to appease the regulators very, very importantly in this country. an update for europe. guys, back to you. >> all right, simon hobbs. thanks. the nasdaq is currently in positive territory. if only by a fraction of 1%. that's despite the fact that recent tech ipo's have been struggling to trade above their initial price.
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fitbit, gopro, etsy, twitter, all trading below their ipo prices, and in some cases losing the majority of their value. here with more on the struggle is mike santoli, senior markets commentator. these companies cut across so many sectors. enterprise, retail, tech, social media. what's the common thread for why they're trading like this? >> this hasn't been a market that has wanted to reward the underdog and the upstart. if you look at the kinds of stocks that perform through last year, fang and the other kind of big dominant platform stocks, they're the ones that are the incumbents that are going to swallow up the upstarts. if you look at all those companies that you mentioned, whether it's fitbit, etsy, gopro, twitter, almost from day one, the story on wall street became who is going to eat them? who is going to edge them out? can they basically stay as a stand-alone competitor to apple, amazon, and the rest? i think that's one of the dynamics. small cap growth companies in general, by the way, have had a struggle. they're down 20% as a group.
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russell 2,000 growth since june. >> the problem is we don't get very many large cap ipo's. we got facebook. we got linkedin in recent years. there could be more in the pipeline for this year. the stocks that we're talking about we should throw in pandora too, they all spike on the open. they see huge gains, but are you saying that what goes up must come down? >> well, they all have a good story, and i do think they get an initial shot to actually prove that they have it figured out. they don't get a second and third shot, though. if they don't execute out of the box and don't kind of banish those fears that hover over them, i think they don't get a great shot. also, there's an overlay of skepticism that, you know, the really great companies are staying private for longer. we're not actually getting the crop of the most promising names, and that also has been a struggle for ipo investors. >> s&p has some statistics going back to the signing of the jobs act. 56 or some odd percent of ipo's below their offered price. is there a sense that that legislation provided a path for companies to go public that
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should not have gone public at all? >> that weren't necessarily ready or didn't have really attractive other options. i do think there's a chance that that's the case. also, of course, less disclosure, which that law permitted isn't necessarily great for winning over investors all the time. >> might we look back at this period as a nice buying opportunity for the stocks? essentially you're getting them below the ipo price if you like to -- if you like the idea before, you should like it even more now. you look at king. you look at zuliliy. those were ipo's that ended up getting bought out. even if they don't survive on their own, there can still be up side if you get them at the right price. >> i totally think that's true. facebook traded down almost 50% from its ipo price in late 2012. it's not as if you render one verdict and it's done. also, if we get another crop of deals, they're probably not going to surge to those huge premiums to where all of a sudden expectations are built at a high level. >> there were a lot of people that got facebook at 18 that i
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think are probably very happy right about now. >> even more people who claim to have gotten facebook there. >> when you have a company that's gone public, it has very specific pain points when the lock-ups expire. facebook fell prey to this too. for the first year it was hovering near those low levels. would you say if you want to buy an ipo, wait until the first year is behind you? >> i think it's obviously case by case, but i do think that's an increasing issue because they're waiting longer to come public. more of their employees have a pile of their stock. you do have this kind of rush for the door when the lock-ups expire. >> one more broader question on just the price action today. i mean, 200 points blown in a couple of hours. >> look, everyone sees how oversold the market is. everyone feels like there could be a ferocious rally at any point, but oil will not permit it. right now i think what this market fears most is deflationary forces, whether it's chinese currency devaluation or oil not allowing itself to find a floor. those things really are what the market is tethered to.
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>> we're learning more about how many countries depend on china for their economic stability. south africa, on the front page of the washington post today, who would have thought? >> marginal buyer of pretty much anything, right. exactly. >> it's always great to have you for everything, including tech ipo's. mike santoli. >> uber's profits and losses continue to grow as the company keeps expanding. how can both of those things be true? we'll get an inside look at the company's financials. and still watching the markets. well off the highs of the morning. nasdaq still in positive territory, though. we'll be back in just a moment.
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coming up, with oil now at its lowest level in more than a decade, which companies are most at risk? we'll have a special report. plus, lulu lemon spiking at this hour. is that stock ready for another run? and three under on twenty. what do to with twitter, gopro, and fit bit as those stock slides continue. we'll see you in 20 minutes or so. >> sounds good, scott. thanks. uber may be facing growing losses as it pushes into china and india, but it's also seeing a jump in its profit projections. that's according to an exclusive report by our friends at "the information." jessica lessin, founder and editor of "the information" and she joins us at post nine. good to see you back. it's a lot of money. how much -- >> it's a lot of money. well, so, losses of the first half of last year for uber was $1 billion. that's up 50% from the previous
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year, but revenues which came in at around 600 million for around that period were growing faster. almost tripling. that's the bet. still investing heavily, though. still losing a lot of money. >> one of the reasons why they put china into a separate entity was because they wanted to keep the losses isolated from the rest of their more developed markets. has that worked? >> it's early to say. we reported earlier this week that there have been -- it's been a tough road in china. you know, we -- uber is kind of the lyft of china right now. it's losing to dd, but it's still early days. they've been fundraising for th separate entity. they completed that, but ouber ended up putting more of its money into it because of weak demand. that's a troubling sign as well. >> jessica, why are they pouring so many resources into china? i mean, there's a whole rest of the world to play with. dd is huge. i mean, this could be their waterloo. we're in an environment where you see people talking about,
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boy, their valuation could be too high. they could spend all the $6 billion they have in the bank in china from where it looks right now. >> it's been a waterloo for so many tech companies. i think uber thinks it has a shot to build a good business there. the coo told us that they feel privileged to be able to be doing business in china right now. they're tl certainly is demand, and paired to the wasteland of companies that have failed miserably, they are seeing strong growth in china, but that's the question. what kind of investment will be worth it in the end? >> the kind of growth where you lose money, though, is dangerous. you get the sense that that's going out of favor a little bit across tech. not just even talking about uber. >> absolutely, absolutely. companies have to show they have a business model faster than ever before. we're certainly in nervousness right now. i think it's true in china too. i mean, in china it's pretty typical to see incredible marketing, incredible promotions, real land grab.
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dd and uber have curbed that a little bit, but they're still investing. >> how long can you give away your product for free? >> that's a great question. we've been trying to figure this out in tech for a long time. the thing to remember, though, is companies like uber do have business models. it's not just eyeballs. it's not just hoping that the advertising will come. there are transaction there's. they're getting a big cut. i mean, they're on track to do more than $1.5 billion in revenue this year, and it's starting to be some big numbers. >> john mentions the money they've raised. what's your take on how much they plan to raise or want to raise in the coming year? >> i think they'll get the money while it's cheap and they can. i think this current round is still open. travis wants a war chest. i think when they can get it on the kinds of favorable terms they're getting at those valuations, they're going to take it and invest for a rainy day. >> how does india look different from china just on a strategic basis in this ride sharing or ride for hire market?
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>> i think it's even more fragmented. there are some big players like olah. we're starting to see some winners emerging. you're also talking about very different types of transportation in these markets. you've got the higher end car service. you've got rick shaw services. there are a variety of taxi services. still a land grab. >> when you talk about fundraising, our david faber reported yesterday that part of where they are looking to raise this money is through the retail investor. namely this time through morgan stanley's brokerage arm. how far down the totem pole do they have to go to get some of this money? >> we did stories earlier this month about the road shows, these private road shows that they've been doing. they're making the pitch. they're giving people the data, and they're saying tell us what price you would invest at, and then they're making a decision. it's all capital to them. >> jessica, really good story about a company that's hard to get solid information on. good to see you.
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>> good to see you too, carl. >> the dow up 192. at one point currently sitting in negative territory. by close to 20 points. part of that is oil falling. crude down about 3%. we were hovering just above $30 a barrel, and we still are. $30.12 is the price action right now. we'll take a closer look inside these markets when we come back.
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close to breaking below $30 a barrel for oil.
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jackie deangeles is live at the nymex with yesterday another day of sliding. >> that's right. really gunning for that $30 mark. $30.10 is the intraday low right now. this has been the theme for the last few days. we started with a technical bounce this morning. a lot of traders told me they wouldn't be surprised if we had an updade. especially as things looked like they were calming in asia a little bit in the equity market here was settling down as well. the equity traders will tell you crude turned the equity market. crude traders will tell you that the equity sell-off turned the crude market. here's what's happening in crude specifically. whichever way you want to look at it. we have really bold calls out there on the street right now. standard charter coming out this morning looking for $10 crude. very bearish there. we haven't seen that since 1998. part of what they're saying is that there's no eveniquilibrium. currency is one of them, and other assets as well. morgan stanley yesterday calling for the 20s and goldman sachs
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saying it wasn't the base case, but six months ago saying $20 was certainly possible. in addition, opec saying -- making some comments this morning to delegates saying there would be no emergency meeting. the next meeting won't be until june. opec not panicking at this point. then this afternoon we're expecting to hear from the api, and traders are looking for another build in crude inventories. all the factors right now adding up and stacking for oil to go lower. we got to that $30.10 mark. really need to watch this closely, kayla. >> we will, indeed. i'll take it from there. thank you, jackie. along with oil, markets steadily losing earlier gains. dow, s&p, both at about break even right now. nasdaq slightly higher than the rest. it's a good time for art cashin, director of floor operations at ubs, to join us. art, is this what's happening in the equity markets? all about oil today?
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any kind of lingering affects from the chinese markets, which didn't fair too badly overnight. >> it's less about the chinese market and more about the chinese currency. that was stabilized as the chinese are trying to reorganize or change the disparity between the on shore market and the off shore market. there's a lot of shorts in the off shore market, and that has gotten them more than a little concerned. that was stable today. this is really all about oil, and perversely, oil doesn't really have to rally. the market is trying to rally -- the stock market is trying to rally now simply because oil is stabilized. it has stopped going down temporarily. >> if i'm a long-term investor, how much do i really have to worry about all this stuff? when i look at apple, it's under $100. dividend yield over 2%. is now a time i should be buying? >> well, i think it's a time you
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want to watch the extent of the oil problem because it could by contagen bleed into the financial system. there's a lot of paper out there. they're talking about bankruptcies. you're hearing that if oil remains this low or goes even lower, could you have 30% of the fractu frackers go bankrupt. >> what's the line for that to happen? six months ago we were told that it was $40 a barrel, and then we dropped below that, and we're still waiting for some of these restructurings and bankruptcies to happen. the capital markets still seem relatively friendly for convertibl convertibles. what happened? >> to some degree saudi arabia and the fact that they are talking more aggressively about possibly doing an ipo. that is interpreted by the markets as them trying to get
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some money to fund an extended war on oil. to drive everybody outside. they have societial programs that are very expensive for them to keep up. they can't afford to cut back on the benefits they give their people. they're looking desperately to get some funds so that they can finance a war with oil against iran and other people. >> in turn, their tolerance for pain, so to speak, gets extended, they can plush flash out more u.s. and foreign produc produce producers? >> absolutely. we were looking at $40, and after that it will be a problem for everybody. the fact that they have now upped the antti and said, no, no, we're going to get enough money to fight this out. >> given all that, if i'm an investor in other things, i need
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to be worried about contagion. what are the sign posts on the road there, whether we know what we're going there or not? >> you know, well, 30% of the oil companies won't all go out together. you'll begin to see one or two. then that will be a big point to begin to hone in on what really is going on here. watch for the first victims of the drop in oil. >> samson was the first victim. >> we're getting some more. you look at things like freeport mcmoran. no reflection on the stock, but it is trading as if it was going to face some economic challenges. >> the downgrade today. >> well, i mean, the traders downgraded it long before that. >> yes, they did. >> a little like watching a horror movie. >> that's the problem. the oil is going down, and traders are getting concerned because it's trickling down.
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it's almost like the proverbial water torture. if you got capitulation sell-off, i've had enough, all right. this slowing ticking down day after day, not making anybody happy. >> well, we feel a little bit better getting your insight at least on how to think about what's going on. art cashin, thanks for joining us. >> my pleasure. >> when we come back, we just talked about the big turnaround to the down side in today's market. we'll talk about some of the big movers after a short break.
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>> neck pain, blurred vision, headaches. just a few of the symptoms some 73% of young adults are now suffering from thanks to digital eye strain. it's a new survey released by the vision council that says nearly 90% of survey participants spend more than two hours on a digital device each day. one in ten spend more than 75% of their waking hours on a device. now, these devices are thought to strain eyes due to the blue light they emit. doctors involved in the survey say they're seeing millenials with symptoms more commonly seen in individuals in their 40s, and the worst part of this study, guys, is that they said children are increasingly using devices
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sometimes two at a time and showing some of these symptoms as well. >> in their 40s. that doesn't sound that bad. i mean, right, carl? >> no. no. absolutely not. >> they usually start to show themselves in 40s and they're now being seen in people's teens and 20s. >> i'm not a millenial, but i'm guilty. equities and oil, obviously, have been in a down trend all morning long. crude just a few pennies away, essentially, from a two-handle. take a look at the dow's intraday journey. we were up 192. upgrades of a lot of dow components. guidance from some big consumer names like lululemon and starbucks. that eroded relatively quickly. then there's crude, which jackie just mentioned continues to be a story of over supply. a separation from fundamentals. art cashin, arguing a moment ago
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that the problem began with saudi arabia. a couple of upgrades ahead of that. goldman sachs yesterday both saying this is a buying opportunity for a stock that could shrug off some of those trading weaknesses we've seen in other companies. >> as cashin would say, stay nimble. let's get back to headquarters. scott and "the half." ♪ all right, guys. welcome to "the halftime show." let me introduce you. pete is here along with sarat, stephanie, and joe. our game plan looks like this. upward dog. why lululemon shares are spiking at this hour, is the stock now primed for a new run? the under 20 club, what to do with twitter, fitbit and gopro as each of those stocks drops below that closely watched level of $20. we do begin with the markets. stocks unable to get anything going, and a lot of that has


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