tv Squawk on the Street CNBC March 28, 2016 9:00am-11:01am EDT
good there today? ben white, wearing that suit. >> he would. a nice tan suit. >> you have one of those. >> i don't own one. >> you do have a brown one. >> you have a seersucker. >> brown. >> didn't you buy a seersucker -- >> you wore the seersucker. >> yes. i could pull that off maybe today. >> wear it tomorrow. for everybody. >> it's ranning o iraining outs. >> join us tomorrow to see andrew in his seersucker. "squawk on the street" is next. good morning, everybody. welcome to "squawk on the street." i'm kelly evans here at post nine along with sara eisen and michael santoli. carl, david and jim are all off today. let's look at futures. the dow jones implied to open higher by about 39 points. the nasdaq up 13 on a week in which we broke the streak of
gains of lows. overnight in asia, we can look at how those markets responded. japan's nikkei up about 0.75. the yen has strengthened for several sessions in a row. the shanghai composite giving up three quarters of 1%. european markets are closed for easter monday. the ten-year note yield, watching that for a gauge on growth and inflation. 1.9% is what we're talking about this morning. crude interestingly, a bit on the rebound, both brent and wti, still up less than 1%. brent is above the $40 mark. our road map starts with the last week of the quarter. the dow and s&p hugging the flat line for the year. where will we go from here? >> bernie sanders gaining momentum over the weekend and the candidates are descending on wisconsin ahead of the april 5th primary. >> and microsoft throwing its hat in the ring for yahoo!. we'll look at potential deals that could take yahoo! off the market. we begin with 72 dead and
hundreds injured after yesterday's suicide bombing in pakistan. the christians were celebrating easter. rehema ellis has the latest. good morning. dogood morning. authorities are searching for the suspects in the area and in villages around the area in connection with the suicide bombing attack in lahore, pakist pakistan. we have reports of at least 72 people killed. 29 children. 300 people were injured in the attack. depending on the nature of the wounds and the injuries, authorities say the number of fatalities could go up. this happened in a crowded park where people were enjoying an easter weekend when the suicide bomber detonated the device. reports indicate that many people had lined up to buy bus tickets when the bomb went off. authorities say the attack was deliberately aimed at christians. there are only about 1.5 million to 2 million christians in this mostly muslim country.
now a splinter group of the pakistani taliban has claimed responsibility. this is the deadliest assault in this country since 2014 when there were more than 130 students who were killed at a military-run school that they atte attended. back then and now pakistani authorities have called this a beautiful attack, close to a section of the country close to the power base of the prime minister. they are desperately looking and searching for suspects. kelly? >> we eagerly await news on that. rehema ellis, thank you very much. a busy week of economic news begins with data showing consumer spending up 0.1% in february. in line with forecasts. personal incomes rising 0.2%. this on top of the data released friday showing an upward revision in fourth quarter gdp to 1.4% growth. overall march has been a strong stock market month. you've seen the rebound there, led by the dow which is up 6%.
the s&p 500 looking to bounce back into positive territory year to date. and mike santoli, i thought what was most notable about the data this morning is the pce price index increasing 1.7% in terms of annual growth from last year. it's missing the mark on the fed forecast. janet yellen, who about a week and a half ago when she led the news conference said that inflation may be temporary. she's wary to see inflation rising. she was right. >> she was. 1.8%, if you look at the past two months. clearly this isn't running away to the upside. even with that people are talking about technical reasons why it has an upside bias. it does seem that all the data that you ticked off is about slow and steady, kind of what we thought coming into the year. between the beginning of the year we have this huge recession panic and a huge is the fed behind the curve panic and we're about flat for the year on the markets. >> i'm thinking about the
interview in the "journal" this weekend where kaplan sounds more like janet yellen and that fisher who dissented more. it seems as though the view is coming around to, mike, the janet yellen view of the world. they called it the decline of dissent at the fed. >> we were hearing at the past meeting it looks like -- after the past meeting, a lot of these contrary voices out there seeming to contradict what janet yellen had to say. and now everyone is reading from the same book, we're okay. >> we have the core of the fed speaking this week. janet yellen speaking on tuesday. bill dudley, in the inner circle, will be speaking out on thursday. those are the folks who matter when it comes to determining fed policy. >> it will be nice to see more philosophically about the dollar. dudley a few years ago said the fed has a special responsibility to pay attention to the fact that 60% of the world's financial system runs on the
dollar. like it or not, those moves can impact monetary things at home. >> in asia they were talking about a new-found focus on the federal reserve. here's what was said about the u.s. and what is going on in the international economy. >> we understand that we're in a global economy a global financial system. what happens in brazil or china, in southeast asia or south america has a huge impact on the u.s. economy in terms of employment and inflation goals. we have to take that into account. we have to understand what's happening around the world, how it impacts the u.s. economy. we also need to be cognizant of the fact when the fed acts t does affect the global economy. understand those feedback loops and all the ramifications. >> san francisco fed president john william observe os on our morning. how much weight will the fed be
putting on international developments and what does that mean for the trajectory of policy and the market? >> i think international developments is a way of saying are the markets in panic mode or not? the markets respond to these global influences. it's more important when the u.s. is growing at 1.4%, it makes it more important on the swing factors of growth. >> want to show you shares of pandora sliding this morning. brian mcandrews leaving the company to be replaced by tim westergreen. mcandrews did not give a specific reason for leaving. shares down almost 10% in pre-trade. only to say the proper team and strategy is in place. another founder returning as ceo to steady the ship. >> and a company seemingly to not know what its mission is going to be. losing to sp losing to spotify and missing
out on the opportunity to sell. >> they have been struggling. pandora for a long time was seen as this disruptive technology that was going traditional radio out of business. it had streaming, the users, then what happened? >> they have been resolute in saying we have going after the huge pie of terrestrial radio. in reality the users, they only have so much time in the day to listen to music. they're switching among things. i don't think the business is broken. but is it as big and as immediate an opportunity as they thought it was going to be? >> strategically it sounds like they're trying to move beyond radio and do more with music. when you have a service that's so appealing when it starts, so disruptive, people will start chasing that. there's no shortage of places to look. apple music, many others. can pandora find a way to
reinvent itself into something relevant across the music industry? >> they talk about live events, having more immediacy out there. the big trick is if people expect things to be free and nearly free and consume all-you-can-eat in terms of content, can you pay the people who produce it? they have not gotten that fixed yet. >> i was at a fitness class thing a week or so ago where the instructor kept apologizing for the pandora ads. >> you have to pay money to get rid of those. >> that's exactly the point. even for this business, i don't think they were making a mint, but it was something important enough to them, they weren't paying up for this. at one point there were two in a row. >> they should go to spotify, you can listen to free. >> this will not help pandora's share price. >> certainly not. we'll keep an eye on that. let's talk generally broader markets now. let's bring in our panel here, gabrielle santos, and brooklyn
dwyer from bmp paribas. brooklyn, on the economic data out this morning, would you agree the inflation number was most important when it comes to determining fed policy and market implications? >> certainly matters a lot. i think the disappointing print there highlights a couple of things. one is that we should be less fearful of runaway inflation. some of these ideas that brew in markets. we can discount that. i think you're right in saying that janet yellen's trajectory and her complacency with inflation has proven to be right right now. the other side of the data that were important is the revisions to january's data which showed consumption was really weak. those two pieces are key. >> what does that mean for the markets that there are major pockets of weakness and the u.s. consumer is a major part of this
economy, it's not humming along in terms of spending, we're not getting core inflation that is meeting the targets what does that mean for the stock market? >> it's a confirmation that the u.s. consumer is a new consumer after the global financial crisis. we are not seeing the consumer spend 100% of the gas savings. we're not seeing that excessive amount of spending. but it's strong enough to keep gdp around in line with that 2% average. in a way, it is another way to dispel those recession fears. but it's a confirmation that growth will remain around this recent trend of 2%. >> brooklyn, you know through all of the noise of this whole year, we've seen the ten-year treasury note yield remain in a very narrow band. here we are, 1.9% right now. it's sending a message of slow, steady growth. not too concerned about an immediate pick up in inflation. is that what you see for the rest of the year? do you think we get a bit of
acceleration which is a consensus forecast is looking for? >> it's funny. i think the ten-year yield could drop even though we get a pick up in inflation. a bit counter intuitive there. we think the trajectory for -- or likelihood of fed rate hikes is slim. right now it looks like this market turbulence continues to show it's head every couple months. we think that will keep the fed on hold now and slower growth. this kind of fading gasoline price savings and impact on consumption is going to mean slower growth ahead. that's going to keep the fed on hold for later. that longer-term trajectory of lower rates is probably going to hold down that ten-year treasury for quite some time. >> friday morning our markets were closed, we did get corporate profits part of the gdp report. >> ugly. >> was horrible. down 15% after --
>> there was some special forgetters there, like the bp oil spill. a lot of it was energy and gas. even stripping out factors it was down more than 7% ithe fourth quarter. you wonder if it will rebound. >> there's been a debate playing out, are we getting a clearer read from the gdp accounts? >> the accounts are more than gaap. it's basically the raw profits that will not be massaged or overstated for any purpose. i see it more as the baseline longer term. not necessarily quarter to quarter moves, but shows we had a profits recession. >> gabriela, here we are again, going into a few weeks, we'll get analysts numbers and they're downgrading the forecast for earni earnings. what does this next cycle look like? >> the profits that we saw on friday confirmed that we had already been getting from standard&poors figures. meaning last year was quite a
weak one for profits. not just energy and materials, but the whole affect of the dollar and the concern there, the impact of the dollar. so i think if we look to this year, the key question is where is the dollar going to go? how low can energy prices go? our view is that we've seen a lot of this pain behind us. it's probably already reflected last year. so we are feeling more optimistic about corporate profits because we see a fading of these headwinds this year. especially in the second half of this year. you're right, in order for the markets to move higher you have to see profits come back the way that we are expecting this year. >> or expectations go so low that they can only beat when the actual bottom line number comes out. thank you guys for joining us on a monday. gabriela santos and brooklyn dwyer. bernie sanders says he has momentum after sweeping the democratic caucuses over the weekend. on the gop side major tensions between trump and cruz. let's get to john harwood.
bernie-mentum, is that a thing? >> a little bit. bernie sanders has always done well in smaller states, whither states, caucus states. look at the wins he had in alaska, hawaii and washington. big numbers here for sanders. we're talking about 70s and 80s. he's rolling, right? look at the delegate totals, he's not rolling that much. hillary clinton with the superdelegate she's what is well over two-thirds of the delegates she needs to be nominated. he needs to collapse confidence in her campaign to switch the superdelegates. this weekend will not do it. he'll have a chance in wisconsin which votes next week, try to knock her off in a big state. but he has to have not just wins in big states, but big wins. on the republican side, donald trump's lead in delegates is shakier over ted cruz. he still has an advantage. he still can get to 1237, the delegates he needs. he has to keep rolling. he has to keep winning.
the polls show, for example, in wisconsin, a case where the winner takes most of the delegates, not all, trump has a lead but a narrow one. we'll see how the trash talk plays out over the next week and whether it shakes trump's lead in wisconsin and states elsewhere. still a chance for the stop trump forces but donald trump has the edge. >> the trash talk very much alive on the campaign trail. john harwood, thank you. when we return, yahoo! in the m&a spotlight. we'll explain the latest. plus douglas holtz-eakin with eye-opening thoughts about the cost of deporting immigrants. dow futures up almost 43, nasdaq up 16, and the s&p 500 up 5. more "squawk on the street" live from post nine at the new york stock exchange when we return. ,
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shares up 2.5% in pre-trade. this is the latest in a bidding war between marriott and anbang. the nonbinding offer is worth 82.75 her share, when you add the value of a spinoff, the transaction is worth 88.66 a share. shares are trading around 84 and change this goes back to april of last year, this saga. every time it seems like, now we have -- no, now we have the final offer. anbang seems determined to own this property. >> seems like it will be determined by marriott's pain point. how much more do they want to go back and get the deal done? what can they assume in terms of efficiencies and values that they can create as a company. this is a consortium, anbang, yes, but j.c. flowers and others. they clearly wanted this property. >> marriott made a strong case to its investors that it needs to be bigger to be internationally competitive, and
starwood's footprint is more international. they have a million rooms that would put them as the next biggest in the space. if this deal falls through what will happen? >> i think it will be more inferior for marriott shareholders if though have to keep paying up more. >> interestingly, investors -- it's trading as it continues to be a bidding war for this stock. this latest deal is $81 per share. starwood hotels is trading 84.25. it continues to be propelled every time they come back. just note on the deal price, this is $4.75 per share more than the original buyout offer from this chinese company. we knew this was coming. we knew they were serious about gaining foothold in american hotels. >> as previously announced, starwood plans to convene its stockholder meeting for the 28th, today, and immediately adjourn it. starwood's board has not changed
its recommendation in support of the merger with marriott. they are going along as if marriott will happener. >> arne sorensen came on with us that day, they are after the luxury brands like w hotels, and st. regis resorts. there was a question asked about sheraton as well. this is a prize, this is a fight. >> we will talk about a bullish march leads to a weaker april and up next possible warning signs for stocks. looking at futures again, just about eight minutes to go before the opening bell. s&p up about five. more "squawk on the street" straight ahead. by debating our research to find the best investments. by looking at global and local insights to benefit from different points of view. and by consistently breaking apart risk to focus on long-term value.
sara, we'll start off on my right-hand side with the fx markets, the dollar and dollar strength here. it could be a big deal. we're less than a month away from corporate earnings season. the strong dollar has been cited in the past as weighing on corporate earnings. we'll see if the strong dollar is a warning sign this time around. stronger dollar, maybe weaker commodities. oil and gold fall. maybe a sign things are not as good for that particular part of the complex. and icy ipo markets.
the renaissance ipo market is not performing as well as in the past. banks under pressure. the financials under pressure. one of the worst performing sectors in the overall market. and transportation stocks, huge rally off the january lows, up 26%. maybe showing signs of weakness again. again, sara, some warning signs, a lot of fed speakers and a big jobs report this week. back over to you. >> we'll see if we can climb the wall of worry again. opening bell just moments away.
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welcome back. you're watching cnbc's "squawk on the street" live from the financial capital of the world. the opening bell is set to ring in just about 30 seconds. talking on a merger monday, no major news to kick things off. a couple smaller things we're watching with regard to yahoo! maybe microsoft getting involved. there the latest twists and turns with the starwood hotels
deal. you know a couple other things that could move the needle, but nothing major. >> watch starwood. that stock probably will trade above the likely new value of the bid. people think this bidding war is not over. >> 88 and change we understand. pandora we'll watch. here at the big board, shepherd's board ringing the bell. at the nasdaq, east side house settlement. let's look at pandora, which just replaced its ceo, bringing back founder tim westergrin there. we wi this company in the midst of a transformation trying to get beyond the radio service. >> when you have a founder come back, especially at these tech
companies t means there was strategic cross roads, they had a difference of opinion on how to proceed. stakes are high for pandora. >> yahoo! some companies trying to make a bid, but there has to be some outcome here. is it aol style? is this company, your former employer, left hanging? >> yes. all these reports, all these players trying to jockey for position is pushing yahoo! towards a full sale process of the core business and not just let's wait and see what comes through the door. >> so starwood has proposed a new slate of board members. is the starwood proposed board on a different page than the actual yahoo board. >> starboard, yes. >> it seems like they're both trying to engineer the sale of the current company. >> the current board is dragging
their feet, giving lip service, but not saying we want to send this to the highest board. so starboard's board is trying to find new hands for the asset. what's interesting about microsoft's potential role, they might throw money behind a private equity bid. microsoft has some agreements with yahoo! and saying maybe we want to preserve those revenue streams. you mentioned starwood -- starboard -- >> let's got it hot, ticker symbol h.o.t. >> we got word a few minutes ago that anbang has upped the ante for starwood. 88 and change. starwood shares up 2.3%. >> the only stock doing better on the s&p now is marriott which is the biggest gainer. up about 2.7%.
starwood hotels just below that. on this idea that the chinese firm will take it, and starwood will not shell out -- >> that's the way marriott will trade. if it is less likely the deal is happening. that 88 amount is notional if they spin it off. we'll be looking at 82.75, so maybe that's not cash in hand. >> interesting. in this case it will be some average of what people think is likely between the actual deal and the spinoff happening. marriott shares up 2.7%. >> gamestop getting crushed, missing on revenue. this came out after the bell on thursday. ugly quarter, ugly guidance. this one continues to suffer. on a day, by the way, where facebook's oculus is set to hit the market. virtual reality. >> gamestop trying to say we have a couple billion startups
within our own company. they have a string of stores aimed at servicing apple computers. >> gamestop has been running fast to get away from the idea of just console sales. they did the used game exchange. all of it has worked on some level. they kept going a lot longer than people thought. the other one i would watch is berkshire hathaway getting an initiation from ubs with a buy rateding with $234,000 price target. that's up about $34,000 from the current price. >> just 34,000. >> well, it's about 15% upside. basically be an all-time high for berkshire. this is fascinating. we talk about buybacks, the warren buffett philosophy on this is not what you would expect. he's not necessarily against it. thinks it could make sense. saying if a company can't grow a dollar, it should not retain a dollar, it should give the capital back to you to do something with it. berkshire indicated 1.2 times
book value is where it could get involved in the stock if it felt like it was trading at those levels. some are putting that as a floor in the analysis. profit improvement at geico. we talked about the challenges coming up with driverless cars. for the time being, geico continues to be a profit center. >> you have to like the railroad business at this point, too, if you want to like berkshire. if you took what burlington northern santa fe, if that business lost value like other stocks did, it's a long way back. >> what is also interesting, a broader call on the market saying an uncertain economic and market environment will benefit the like's berkshire with its strong balance sheet, strong permanent capital, cash generation, industry leading portfolio and businesses, which means it can do m&a and build for the future, leading to
multiple expansion. the stock is trading cheaply. >> definitely a defensive stock. >> also interesting talking about the buffett premium. they have their shareholder meeting coming up, streaming on yahoo! next month. we'll hear about nevada furniture mart. they think the buffett premium has declined overtime and he set up the structure in a way that can be sustainable. >> apple could be a mover. there was a bullish note from rbc and capital markets about apple's ability to generate more cash and return more cash to shareholders. apple trading up 0.25%. saying they may announce plans to boost buybacks to 40 billion to $50 billion annually. could raise the dividend to 2% plus. apple on news on apple tv, finally get nothing its own content with will.i.am, a show about apps. >> not sure about this one. it will be interesting to see how that does.
a quick mention on two stocks that will join the s&p 500, we have pepco leading, being bought by epsilon. let's get to bob pisani on the floor with more on what's moving this morning. >> mixed open, japan we saw a fractional gain. most of europe is closed for the easter holiday. let's skip over that. go straight to what we're expecting here. we're coming towards the end of the quarter here. some very interesting gainers and laggards going on. let's take a quick look here. despite the talk about energy, materials rallying in the middle of the quarter that did happen, the big gainers here have been the telecom and utility stocks. put up the chart here. telecom up 13%. utilities up 13% for the quarter overall. not far from historic highs. look at that. telecom just off an eight-year high. industrials are all right. everything else is lagging. everyone thinks energy has had
such a great quarter. the rally from the middle of the quarter is strong. it doesn't show up on the quarter. financials are lagging once again. the rise in -- the hope for a rise in interest rates. healthcare being used as source of funds to buy energy materials recently. specifically biotech. mixed picture of a defensive play. now, we -- this might continue. we asked our friends at kenshow what happens when you have low volatility, a stronger dollar and positive gdp growth. the answer is you get defensive. utilities, health care and consumer staples outperform in low volatility, stronger dollar, low gdp growth environments. i think the bigger concern is what happens when we start getting into q2 in a decisive way. the middle of april here. since 1995, we have seen -- look at the numbers. 8.7% to the decline on the downside for q1 earnings.
that's terrible. if that continues, we'll have the worst since 2009. i don't think that will happen, but still poor. revenues down 1.1% in the revenues. also not very good. january 1st we were expecting that to be up 2.6%. as far as the earnings for the sector, everybody knows how awful energy will be. it's not that great in a lot of others. that's not a typo. 99% decline in energy. we are just on the cusp of going negative on earnings growth for the first quarter. materials down 22%. industrials down 13%. even financials are down 8%. the only growth area is telecom and consumer discretionary and healthcare. that's about it. we are not expecting any positive growth in earnings until the third quarter. q2 is already negative now. we're talking about four straight quarters of earnings
decline. that's a problem for the market. want to note the fed speakers this week, we could get market moving news. janet yellen speaking tomorrow at the economic club of new york. we don't have a topic. she'll take questions. alan blinder will be there. that could be market moving. bill dudley speaking on thursday in virginia on the role of the federal reserve. these are all voting members, and loretta mester speaking friday at the harvard club here in new york. loretta none to be a hawk on the fomc. right now fractional gains in the dow jones industrial average. >> bob pisani, thank you very much. plenty of economic data to digest and look forward to. let's go to rick santelli in chicago. good morning. >> good morning, sara. this morning the consumption, the spending side was revised real light. subtracted 0.4. many continue to talk about that. see if there's any implications
or volatility to the numbers, of course. as steve and the gang continue to point out, none of the data is super highly accurate. you have to take a bit of an averaging view with all data. but these trends still aren't anything to write home about. look at the intraday 10, low yield made as the data was relesir released at 8:30 eastern. it is coiling quite tight. fairly close to the median aspects of the range over the month. and many continue to debate the issues of nonvoters getting hawkish. maybe they'll be more hawkish if they were voters. bob pointed out the fed speak, the questions and answers. i don't care much about the questions. it's the squishy answers that we had at the last press conference. hopefully we can narrow those down. there definitely seems to be a bit of mobility to what actually is going to have to occur to see
more normalization. if we think risk-on, a lot of things fall into place at this point. certainly not the fed tightening, just doesn't seem to fit with the markets. look at the hyg, the high yield, starting on february 1st. look at that pattern. moving higher. we know that the spreads from barclays are narrowing. that all fits. look at the crb index in the same period, from february 1st. that's the risk-on trade. i know energy is a big part of that. in the end, those two are married together. both those issues have huge ramifications for the stock market. last and certainly not least, even though much of europe is closed, we see the dollar drifting south. almost down a third of a percent. if you look at it beginning in february, it's not exactly the opposite of the previous two risk-on charts. it is close. it underscores all this angina about the dollar strength. yes, we've had a bounce but
still far below levels of december when we did see a normalization or the beginning of the year when we saw more volatility. kelly, back to you. >> all right, rick. we'll see you in a bit. let's look at oil prices now with jackie deangelis over at the nymex. good morning. >> good morning to you. we are bouncing around the flat line but holding under $40 a barrel. that does have the momentum pointing to the down side. dollar still in focus. talking about a range of 37 plus or minus five dollars. the next catalyst is the april 7th meeting in qatar. i've been getting questions about this i want to focus in what will happen here. this is owe pep ppec producers non-opec producers getting together on a freeze. not everybody appears to be
showing up. some opec members like libya not coming. the iraqi oil minister resigned on friday. it's unclear if they'll have a delicate there. russia is interested in a freeze, but the u.s. has not said anything about that or going to the meeting to talk about it. there's a lot of uncertainty about what will happen mid-april. that could impact prices from here. traders are telling me investment analysts are telling me that they think oil prices could see another leg lower from here, especially if we see the fluctuations in the dollar that we've been seeing. sara eisen, back to you. >> jackie, thank you very much. when we come back aceo shuffle at pandora. shares are getting slammed now on news its founder is coming back to run the company. we'll take a closer look at what is at stake here for the online music service when "squawk on the street" comes back. frank abagnale. convicted felon and con man. that was a long time ago. you know, they made a movie about it.
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and i think that they will thrive in the next several years. i think that mcandrews probably got bounced for being a little too ambitious, doing way too many things at once. investors, you know, who bought into an internet radio company now find themselves with a company that's positioned to go from domestic only to international to ad on-demand. and they already added a ticket business. i think the ticket business was a mistake. i think he's paying the price for moving into that. i think he's now running into competition from services like spotify that are massively successful. >> if you think they should be focusing on the core of what pandora does well, what about all this competition in this space? it's been probably driving down margins and making it more challenging to continue to make inroads. >> that's 100% correct. they're going to probably be unprofitable for a few years. they're probably going to burn cash for a few years. it's going to cost money to move
internationally and go on-demand. the end game there is the consumer can get a complete solution of discovery and on-demand and merge those two together. which is a compelling offering. it's something spotify doesn't do well nor does apple. i think they will compete favorably. i think the guy who invented the internet radio service, tim westergren coming back, it's running something completely different than what he created. i think that's like jerry yang coming back to yahoo! mark pincus coming back to zynga. investors don't like it. >> there you go. investors don't like it right now. are they going to give the company those several years that you say it might need to actually, you know, realize this opportunity? >> i think if they start to actually succeed by attracting subscribers to their new on-demand service, yes. it will look like netflix. i know that you guys all love
netflix, you know i hate it. but netflix doesn't make any real money and they burn cash like sailors. the street loves them. if pandora emulates netflix, burns cash, breaks even on eps basis and starts growing subscribers, the street will reward them. that won't start until 2017. >> it's interesting, the netflix analogy, they have a lot of original content you can't get anywhere else now. they're still ahead of the curve there. you read about spotify, i can't remember the big song "lean in" whatever it was, that spotify helped develop and then became this huge sensation. they support artists. they're trying to get new music out there. what is pandora offering that is unique and compelling enough to drive that growth that's so important for the street? >> you know, i would say customization. there's something like 50
million or 60 million songs out there. the average person has heard about 100,000 of them. discovering another 4 million, 5 million songs and another several hundred thousands of artists is analogous so new content. if you start hearing things you have never heard before that's a fulfilling experience. people are willing to pay for that. spotify has done well with recommending artists. i think pandora can do equally as well. if you hype that with internet radio where you discover artists, determine you like them and add them to your list, that's original content. >> we'll see if they can get it right. thank you for joining us. >> pleasure. >> michael pachter there. shares are lower this morning of pandora. we'll be right back.
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week. people seemed worried about it. >> we think only gradually stronger. in the near-term we see potential for the dollar to continue in this consolidated phase, which it has been in since the beginning of the year before gradually resuming strengthening trends. >> so, we got a taste from nike about the strong dollar drag on earnings. we'll get earnings in full in the next few weeks. how big of a hit are you expecting from the currency? >> well, generally we forecast currency trends and look at fx markets with the focus there. overall we think that given some weakening in corporate profits and fx having somewhat of an influence on that, that could have influence on the broader risk environment that would then weigh on some risk-sensitive currencies. could support safe-haven currencies. we see the expected and actual monetary policy actions from central banks as a key driver in foreign exchange markets.
>> who's in charge? with correlations, there's always someone leading the charge, whether it's the price of oil, the u.s. dollar, stock market. feels like we're in a moment where the dollar is leading. would you agree with that? >> well, we could say that the expected interest rates and interest rate differentials are probably the most relevant factor influencing currency markets. right now the interest rate differential suggests that the dollar could have room to strengthen gradually overtime. that's probably the key focus for foreign exchange markets. expect a stronger dollar, thank you. eric valoria, thank you. when we return, breaking news on pending home sailors, plus an exclusive with uber's ceo, travis kalanick. g our resed the best investments. by looking at global and local insights to benefit from different points of view. and by consistently breaking apart risk to focus on long-term value.
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17 points. s&p barely higher right now. the nasdaq in negative territory. crude oil prices have turned lower even as the dollar is lower. >> let's get to the road map. the first quarter is almost over. will the market rally fade? find out if you should be getting out of stocks now. plus anbang sweetening its bid for starwood. we have the latest on the hotel battle. and uber's ceo, travis kalanick weighing in on the future of the company. let's get straight to rick santelli with breaking news on pending home sales. >> holy cow is all i could think of. up 5.1% on the february read of pending home sales. now, of course 5.1 is the year over year number. if we look month over month it was up 3.5%. that's very solid as well. both are extremely above expectations.
like all data point theres ther some revisions. last month, down 0.9, now 1.5%. overall, even with the revisions, some pretty healthy numbers there. personal spending, of course, this morning was a bit of a downer. all in all, yields are close to unchanged. euro the dollar started out higher this morning before the 8:30 data. now down about a quarter of a cent. >> rick santelli, thank you very much. let's show you stocks now. they are mixed. seeing some marginal gains in the early market action. dow is up 20 points. is it a sign the rally is fading? for more let's bring in larry mcdonald, help of global macro strategy at acg analytics and erin gibbs from s&p capital iq.
larry, we are getting some good nick data, pending home sales just the latest. >> here's the key. the economic data is telling us half the picture. as the data comes in stronger this is a cycle we've seen twice since september. data comes in strong, dollar reacts, you're strong on currency, you know a lot about the dollar. as the dollar strengthens, that crushes commodities and emerging markets, hurts china, then we go into another risk off. we have been through this twice. credit risk is vetoing the policy path and it's overpowering economic data. >> erin, i wanted your take on equities. we're not seeing much reaction in stocks. the dow up about 10 points. it cut its gains in half it does feel sluggish. coming off a low volume week
want direction do you think stocks are headed in? >> i see somewhat similar likellik like larry. we have people spending money, yet we have this huge drag on overall earnings from the energy side. you see that ultimately in the earnings. 1.5% earnings growth. the second worst year for earnings growth since the economic recovery. for me, that means we'll see us hovering, going back up and down but staying relatively flat. we could see another down week this week if there's any negative news. there really are not fundamentals to push the market higher how. >> on that note, erin what are you seeing in terms of earnings expectations outside of oil and gas, which we know will be weak? bob pisani brought up the fact that the weakness is spreading. after that weak corporate profits number and the fourth quarter gdp report on friday
there are some questions about the rest of the economy and sectors. if you take out earnings growth -- if you take out energy t doesn't look so bad. right now about 4% to 5% earnings growth per year versus 1.5%. that's still not great. typically we want something in the high single digits, low double digits to consider it a healthy economy. there are still a lot of weaknesses, materials. concerns in staples. we don't see any revenue growth in all. when you look underneath at the profit growth but in the revenue growth, again, across the different sectors, we're not seeing a lot of strength exempt for some in the consumer discretionary and healthcare. >> in the face of that larry, i know you're worried about credit, the chief u.s. equity strategist from city growth, the
worry is the pain trade could still be higher for the broader stock market. >> what has worked twice now in both cycles, both times credit risk vetoed the fed's policy path in september and march. both of those rate hikes in september and march were vetoed. defensive stocks did extremely well leading into the veto. right now the entire street once again is telling us we'll get a hike in june or september. they're all unanimous, all on one side of the boat. you try the other side of the boat. >> eric what will you be watching? after a slow week, we'll get all sorts of economic data and more fed speak what you are looking at? >> for us this week, it's about the fed. i'm looking at high yield. that is an indication of where we see some bigger risks. >> erin, hang on. sorry to cut you off. we want to take you to georgia
right now where the governor is speaking, of course, about the religious freedom bill. have a listen. >> i have examined the protections that this bill proposes to provide to the faith-based community. and i can find no examples of any of those circumstances having occurred in our state. it is also apparent, as i have indicated, that many of the examples that are being used are occurring in other states that have taken very different statutory language and placed it in their state's laws. house bill 757, as you know, appeared in many forms during this recent legislative session. had the bill been the so-called path to protection act, i would have signed it.
i have no -- had no issue with that bill. however, other versions of the bill contain language that caused me some concern as it caused many others concerned concern, that they may, in fact, encourage or allow discrimination that it be sanctioned by the state. i have appreciated and do continue to appreciate the efforts of the members of the general assembly as they attempt -- as they attempted to address my concerns, and other ways that have been expressed as concerns by others in our state. what i do today is in no way disparaging of their motivations or their efforts or of those who support this bill in our state
at large. their efforts to purge this bill of possibility that it would allow or encourage discrimination illustrates how difficult it is to legislate on something that is best left to the borrowed protections of the first amendment to our united states constitution. that may be why our founding fathers didn't attempt to list the circumstances of which religious liberty could be embraced. instead, they adopted what the late supreme court justice scalia classified as negative protection. now what that meant was they simply said we're not going try to tell you what religious freedom does for you. and what government is going to do for you. we will say in our constitution,
enshrined in our first amendment thereto what government shall not do. and that is establish a religion or interfere with the free exercise thereof. they had previously proclaimed, as we all know in our declaration of intense, that it was our creator who had endowed upon us unalienable rights. that is god had given us rights that included liberty, which embraced religious liberty. they had seen that it was clear that liberties were given by god and not by man's government. therefore they deemed it unnecessary to attempt to enumerate in statute or constitution what those liberties included. in light of our history, i find it somewhat ironic that come in the religious community today
feel that it is necessary for government to confer upon them certain rights and protections. if, indeed, our religious liberty is conferred upon us by god and not by manmade government perhaps we should heed the hands-offed odmonition. when legislative bodies attempt do otherwise, the inclusions and omissions in statutes can lead to discrimination even though it may be totally unintentional. for chose in the religious community, some of whom have resorted to -- looks like we dropped the shot there. that was george governor nathan
deal vetoing legislation that he said would encourage -- this is a win for business in the sense that it was largely these companies lobbying against this legislation. >> i did not realize until looking into this story that georgia is number three in the country in terms of filming locations for hollywood outside of new york and outside of california so this is a big business that took in $2 billion. >> let's get everybody on board here what was happening was a religious freedom bill, the lgbt community suggested could be used to discriminate against them. this is an lgbt victory. the governor is saying he will put the fear of discrimination above that religious freedom. as sara points out, it indicates that business and tech in particular is beginning to ring the changes, or keep the lid on
the resurgence of this type of debate which after the gay marriage ruling in the supreme court we knew would be the cutting edge. >> it was up to governor deal to veto it. he has an interesting background. formerly democrat turned republican, coming out in what is seen as, yes, a victory for lbgt and business. anbang has raised its offer for starwood hotels as it seeks to challenge the merger with marriott. there's two things you need to know about this offer that's come through. the starwood board saying, look, the chinese came back to us on saturday with an offer, an unsolicited offer again. we've then managed to raise that over the weekend. it started off being 1.49 above what marriott is offering. over the weekend they raised that to 3.22. remember that the china offer is all in cash. marriott increased its cash
portion of the offer it has on the table. but this has always been a cash offer from the chinese. they're inching higher along the way. the other thing to recognize is that it is not as yet a confirmed as a superior offer from starwood. in other words, there's still work they think they need to do. because the regulator was getting itchy about the fact that they would have 15% of the assets outside china t would appear with this offer that they have come to over the weekend that that's not primarily a concern. the indication i have from sources familiar with the situation is that it's not the reason it's not yet a confirmed offer. the ball goes back into marriott's court. are they going to come up and match this raise their offer? are they not? some are suggesting that the board at marriott might have some difficulty raising the offer from here. they'll happily come along to starwood and say deal off. i'll take my $450 million breakup fee. we spoke to arne, the ceo of
marriott last week on the show. i asked him specifically then if the chinese come back with a higher offer, will you come back with a higher one yourself? have you told starwood this is a final offer? he said, no, we have not told them it's our final offer. >> no, we haven't. but again, we're not going to talk about what might happen. i think we have teed up something which not only values extraordinarily well in the market today with the closing price on friday when combined with our cash offer, but it also offers a unique upside in the future. starwood's shareholders will own a significant stake of the surviving company. they'll be able to ride the upside in the portfolio which should be enhanced growth and we think a bright future. that's a unique part of our bid. >> that is always the choice. do you take the high cash offer ultimately? do they recommend the high cash offer from the chinese or do you
take a lower mixed offer? >> another wrinkle in this. because marriott's offer on the table has a big stock componenc, if marriott stock starts to rally, their bid looks better in a competitive fashion. >> people have got -- you would expect this type of reaction. marriott could walk away here. >> i want to know what happens so my spg points. >> nothing. nothing happens to your spg points. >> there is talk if marriott became the owner, it would be less independent than if anbang were the owner and they could combine the loyalty programs. the promise from marriott is they'll run both programs simultaneo simultaneously. the hotel chains are becoming more like online travel agencies. they recognize the value of the database from the spg and marriott rewards. that's a huge source of value
for them. that's partly why they raised the offer. i wonder if anbang wants the assets, get funds out of china. protesters disrupting a memorial for victims for brussels. we'll talk to the former assistant director of the fbi when "squawk on the street" comes back.l ild portfolios with strategies that just track the benchmarks. but investing isn't about achieving average. it's about achieving goals. and invesco believes doing that today requires the art and expertise of high-conviction investing. translation? it's time to bench the benchmarks.
across europe. this as a suicide attack killed 72 people in pakistan on sunday. we go to brussels live this morning. >> a lot of developments over the weekend and this morning. belgian police saying they are still appealing to the public looking for help in identifying a man seen on surveillance video during the attack last tuesday. a man in a white jacket and a bucket hat has been missing. they believe he's been a suspect in the attack. over the weekend there was a individual charged with murder, attempted murder and belonging to a terrorist organization. local reports said that man, faycal c. was that man, but it turns out he was not. so that man still remains at
large. raids did continue over the weekend. 13 different home searches took place across the country. nine people taken into custody. three of them have been charged with participating in a terrorist group. they did not specifically say whether they were linked to last tuesday's attack. you were talking about the protests that took place behind me over the weekend. a group of right wing demonstrators demonstrating anti isis slogans game to the square. it was a tense moment, they came in face-to-face confrontation with protesters paying their respects at the vigil. police forced them back using riot canyons and water. today belgian officials have refused the death toll from tuesday's attack, that number is now 35 that does not include the three attackers. among them two americans that the state department has confirmed were killed in the terrorist attacks. guys, back to you. >> thank you very much.
for more we are joined by former minufbi assistant direct chris swecker. after we learned who is not involved, this faycal c. brussels is coming from such a running start trying to get ahead of this problem and not to mention trying to fend off future attacks, chris. what would your recommendation be from here? >> they're overwhelmed. the eu and belgium are hampered by loose laws when it comes to pre-trial detention, detention -- or human course penetration of organizations like isis. agent provocateur laws. they need to loosen up all of that and join the rest of the world in terms of being proactive with prevention rather than investigating after something happens and kicking it
down the road after something happens. >> do you think they will? we a we saw a huge change in the dialogue from france after november 13th, but still there's a large population of people who feel as though they don't want to -- they feel privacy, security are sack ksacrosanct. do you think this will change the he'll proceeding there? >> it will be interesting to see what happens. there's tension between privacy and safety. in europe and in the eu in general they have always bent over backwards towards privacy. i think you'll see them revisit that, being much more proactive in this sense. they're not -- they're not going to move quickly. the other thing is they seem to move quickly when something bad happens, but you don't see a lot of enforcement activity between the events.
>> precisely, when we had know they had been caucus in their overnight raids. this is a place where there's a large amount of international business going on. do you think this will turn people away longer term? >> i don't think it's any accident that they chose brussels for the attack and the airport because that's the home of the eu. this is not just an attack on belgium, it's an attack on the european union in general. will it affect business? i think in the near-term people who ordinarily would be traveling to brussels and belgium in general probably won't coming from the u.s. if nothing bad happens, it will pick right back up again. the problem still is not solved. the treaty in europe is difficult to work with. you have syrian refugees moving freely between borders. they have a serious problem. >> chris, i wonder with pakistan over the weekend, these attacks are becoming so regular, almost
every day somewhere around the world some type of massacre or attack happens. what is the danger in becoming numb to this? if this becomes the new normal and what the danger is there in terms of fighting it. >> that can very well happen. the steady drumbeat of attacks tends to numb the population. everybody is shocked whenever something bad happens, but in between you don't see a whole lot of critical mass developing to make changes, particularly with the things we just talked about here in the u.s. it's different. we do get motivated and we do a lot of activity between the attacks. you can see the fbi and other intelligence services are in a full-court press pretty much all the time these days. >> yeah. hopefully that will do more to fend off any attacks like this. thank you for joining us. that's former fbi assistant director, chris swecker. >> we are almost at the end of
the first quarter of the year. mike has been crunching the numbers and talking to analysts and traders. >> we'll look at the technical field position. we'll look first at the s&p 500. here's the past year. we are in the 2030 range. people thought that was important because it would open up this way to get up to the change we were in most of last year. this was a lot of time spent between the all-time highs and around 2050. we've been stuck below that point for most of this period. here's the other context. after the september selloff, we this this rally here. 12% in 26 days in the s&p 500, similar to here that had a lot of people saying does that mean we have to roll over this way? we started to correct in a gentle way. it has not been dramatic. today we're staying with the idea a pull back to around 2,000 would not be a big deal.
people are saying the stakes are getting high if we get below that 2,000 level. i want to look at crude as well. let's clear that off. crude oil has been really one of the main drivers of this rally. this does not look like the steepest rally, but it's a big one here. up to 39 right now. in the mid 20s. about a 50% move if you were going to get bullish on stocks after this move, you had to think there was more upside to crude. that remains to be seen. around that time we had a top in crude. >> did you see this kenshow stat over the weekend? we reached the end of the first quarter, you raise the losses, you are basically flat overall. they crunched the numbers back 36 years, that tends to signify the median gain of 2.2% for the 12 months overall. it may be an indication if we hold the levels you're talking about, an indication you're flat
for the year overall. >> flat for the s&p 500 would be 2043. we have to go up a bit from here in the remainder of the quarter, which is three more days. but it will show us we basically have been sliding sideways, albeit in a jagged way. >> the lining at the end, summer is almost here. sara? >> a big weekend for bernie sanders, sweeping all three democratic caucuses on saturday. how will it influence the clinton campaign? the latest on the race for the white house when we come back.
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comcast business. built for business. good morning, i'm sue herera, here is your cnbc update. pakistan's prime minister visiting the injured in lahore. the blast killed at least 70 people in a crowded park. a breakaway pakistani faction of the taliban claimed responsibility. four more people wounded in last week's terror attacks in belgium have died bringing the death toll to 35. four americans were killed in the attacks. belgian prosecutors say three people have been arrested on charges of participating in terrorist group activities. rockets fired by taliban fighters are striking the compound of the new parliament. three long-range rockets were fired from a hilltop several
hundred feet from the parliament building. and aerial footage shows the famous ruins of the historic city of palryma. a kremlin spokesman said only russian air support was provided. no ground troops took part. that is your cnbc news update. simon, back to you. to the race for 2016, of course exactly where we are on the gop nomination. there is a promise from donald trump and ted cruz to deport some of the 11 million immigrants in this country. douglas holtz-eakin was director of the congressional budget office and an economic adviser to john mccain's 2008 campaign. welcome to the program.
>> thank you, simon. how do you get to this figure -- remind us how you get to the figure of $400 billion to deport those that are undocumented. >> well, there are really four stages to deporting somebody. step one, you have to detain them. find them. number two, they have to be housed during their detention. number three, they have to face a judge. number four, you have to deport them. so, in looking at the implications of saying we'll take 11 million undocumented immigrants and deport them, we simply followed our noses and added up what it would take do at each stage. >> put this in context. 400 billion would be 10% roughly of the federal budget? >> yes. this is an enormous amount of money. it's a scaling up of immigration enforcement that wasn't very hard to imagine. we're about 5,000 i.c.e. agents
now, he would need 85,000 apprehension officers, 12,000 new courts, 37,000 chartered bus rides, chartered airplane rides. the scale of this activity is not something americans can appreciate in terms of numbers. if it were to take place in two years as donald trump suggested t would take 6% of the labor force. that would have an implication for economic performance, probably a loss in gdp bigger than recession. >> the argument for many is -- their argument goes our jobs have been taken potentially by these people. i assume the logic would be this is a reallocation of those jobs to other people within the economy. are you saying the economy could go into recession as a result of this? >> yes, i think that's the right way to think about it. 6% of the labor force would go away. we have unemployment that's
under 5%. you couldn't plug the unemployed into those slots in some sense. would have to have that plus more people. there might not be skill matches. and nothing takes place that quickly in an economy. in two years of pulling people out we won't get automatic replacement. you not only lose their productive capacity but you lose their purchases. they live in housing. they buy things at restaurants and stores. there's clothing. there's big implications that would look a lot like an economic downturn. >> since you published the report, there's been a fierce debate online. some people saying this is the law. what are we saying? the law is too expensive to implement? of discussion you've seen what most caught you. you are saying this would be a huge deal for the economy and maybe people don't realize that. of the stuff you witnessed online what most took you back? >> the most important thing to
recognize is we are not taking a stand on whether this should be done or not. we're trying to price out the implications of enforcing current law. we've done that before. we're not trying to price out enforcing it all in two years. and the things that you read online and hear about is, well, you're saying we're in favor of illegal immigration. absolutely not. the question is what do we do with those here illegally? one possible route is massive deportation. we're trying to figure out what that would cost. there are less extreme steps, fines and the like that would be less expensive and less economically impactful. >> i will ask something from your political expertise here. when donald trump says he is going to send undocumented workers back home as fast -- faster than your head will spin it will be so fast is the direct quote, do you think it's politics bluster? surely donald trump would not want to preside over a recession
early in office. >> i think the most generous interpretation is they have to the thought through the implications of campaign promise. certainly that happens. no doubt about it. it could be that in the end he's fixed to a policy that says we will deport everyone here illegal illegally, but it does not happen in two years, it takes 20 years to enforce the current law. there's a lot of latitude here with the same objective with different timing. >> one last question, as a policy prescription, as you run through the options -- and you still think within your estimates that 20% of people would return any way. they would say, okay, i'm going home. you are suggesting that if, for example, there was a policy of giving $1,000 to each undocumented worker who went home and a free plane ticket,
potentially that could cut into the problem? >> right on the paper, right when it was announced 20% of people would go home. we're looking at the costs of the remaining 9 million, and looking at the legal avenues to deport them. if it were the case that we would put cash on the table and say please go home, there would be some take of that. the exact magnitude, i don't know. we could take a look. >> thank you. >> thank you. we had a news release come through from marriott. already this morning the chinese have come through with a higher offer for starwood. it's an all-cash offer, that beats the cash and stock offer you have on the table from marriott. the release from marriott seems to suggest they're sticking by the offer that they have at the moment. it seems to me it's a holding
release in advance of starwood actually nailing its colors to the marks and saying, yes, this offer from the chinese is superior, it's documented, what you are going to do, marriott? so a holding release from them, but i think presumably the shareholder meetings scheduled for today still go ahead? >> starwood said they will adjourn it immediately. reconvene perhaps april 8th. >> today was the day both sides were supposed to vote through the original deal. >> yes. >> the chinese came along and twice now have tried to counter that. >> and said we still want it. anbang with its additional upbid. still ahead, aren't venture capitalist tim draper joins us on "squawk on the street," his take on virtual reality and how the presidential race is affecting silicon valley. so you can invest with more certainty. mfs. that's the power of active management.
shares of pandora sliding this morning. ceo brian mcandrews leaving the company and will be replaced by founder and former ceo tim westergren. mcandrews did not give a reason for leaving other than to say the proper team and strategy is in place for pandora. shares have fallen over 28% over the past 12 months. the average target price, $13.50. implying a possible 36% upside. back over to you. >> okay. with the dow practically flat on the session, let's send it over to rick for this morning's exchange. >> thanks, simon. i would like to welcome charles beaterman. aloha, charles. >> aloha to the world from honolulu. >> when i read your paper i was a bit floored. everybody has a short, medium
and long-term view. and you have been pretty bearish overall. but you definitely overtime have been less bear iish on your medm term call you're getting less bearish. can you tell viewers why? >> we're short-term bearish now because there's been a massive slowdown in new stock buybacks. in february it was the most stock buybacks in quite some time. in march it stopped. insider buying was very strong in february. insider buying is very weak in march. it's like the companies and insiders were buying in february when the market was cracking. and now that the market's rallied, they stopped buying, which, to me, is short-term bearish. our short-term indicators are neutral to negative. our medium term is bullish, but not as bullish as it has been. longer term we don't see any
real sustainable growth in the u.s. economy. why do people keep thinking the u.s. economy has to rebound when we have governments doing stupid things like raising costs on businesses in california and chicago. they want to raise taxes for everybody so the pensioniers can get payments they deserve. it's making it impossible to grow the economy worldwide with all these worlds. yet everybody expects growth to be resurrected because it's easter, and growth will happen coming back from the dead. >> listen, charles, you hit on a key point. one of the issues of the fed is the global economy just isn't what they wanted it to be. the problem with that mentality is is that rearview mirror, 2% economy. in the windshield we're 2% economy. that's not good enough but certainly good enough to continue to normalize. if we wait for the rest of the world to do you a kumbaya we
could be waiting for a generation. your final thoughts? >> i don't think the u.s. will grow at 2%. why? we're slowing down in real estate. if you look at the real numbers, underneath the government press releases you'll see massive slowdowns in new home sales. the markets have stopped growing. you know, we're not doing well. yet everybody expects the fed -- the economists estimates are that there will be a rebound at the end of the year. for the last five years the economy will start growing sustainably by the end of the year. it can't happen and it can't happen with the systemic problem swres problems we have in terms of government headwinds. >> i want to stop you right there because we're out of time, i agree on the longer-term view
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uber's ceo, travis kalanick sitting down with cnbc in china they talked about ipo plans, evaluation and the company's own fund-raising campaigns. have a listen. >> private markets are incredibly liquid. lots of folks getting hundreds of millions or billions of dollars in investment. there's a lot of money out there looking for the next big thing, looking to invest in technology and innovation. and what that means as well with our competitors around the world, they're going out there and getting that investment. because of the way our system works, we can't be in a position where, we'll, we're running a small profitable business but they're deeply investing and we're not matching that. so our strategy is to make sure that we are raising as much as our competitors are.
that our balance sheet is as healthy as theirs is. remember, we have lots of competitors all over the world because we're global. but the second part is to more efficiently spend every dollar. and if you do those two things, where you're on even footing from a balance sheet perspective, especially net cash, and you are more efficiently spending those dollars that's on the income statement, then you eventually -- you eventually do well. and so that's our strategy, as it relates to funding and how we think about things. but what's really been happening over the last six months is that we have just been watching literally hundreds of cities go profitable. we have just tightened up the operations, things are, you know -- they're just, you know, we're getting good at running profitable cities. and, of course, you know, it may be in an almost amazonian kind
of way, i like to take our profits in some places and then invest it in others and that's working out well for us so far. >> so when did does that bring break-even for the business as a whole. >> i don't know. and the reason i don't know is because, you know, i'm not yet sure how much investment china will -- how much investmentel it will take to get to profitability in china. but i'm optimistic that, you know, within the next, you know, couple years, you know, we're going to start seeing chinese cities start to prop up and be profitable. >> so all those salivating investment bankers hoping for an ipo this year, they should forget about it. >> most definitely. and look, i'm an entrepreneur, i want to move as fast as i possibly can. i want to build something that endures. and we've raised, i don't know,
in the last 18 months, something like, you know -- somewhere in the neck of the woods of $10 billion. we're not in need of public capital, if that makes sense. but there also, of course, is that sort of -- i call it the moral obligation with investors who put money in. they need to see liquidity, and, of course, we have employees as well who put in a lot of blood and sweat and tears. and to make uber successful, and they own equity. and so we have to ultimately find liquidity for all shareholders. but i'm going to make sure it happens as late as possible. >> and so what does that mean? two years, three years, five years, ten years? >> i'll -- i'll keep you posted. i have no idea. >> i will give you my number. >> okay, fair enough. >> put that on speed tile. and let me know first. because i would like to hear that. >> fair enough. >> i think it's interesting
there is so much capital around at the moment. particularly for technology companies. >> and particularly for technology companies in china. i mean, there's a lot of money going around right now. >> does it worry you that there's malinvestment taking place? i know a lot of people are speculating about unicorns being overvalued, and that the -- because there is so much liquidity, a lot of it is going into the wrong kind of innovation. does it both you? >> i think at some point it's gotten to the irrational place. and that's a little bit unfortunate, because i think it tweaks -- like, it's hard to run an efficient marketplace when there's too much money floating around. but at the end of the day, it's just the reality. there's a lot of money going after an incredibly huge market. that's, of course, transportation, that's my perspective on the industry that we're in.
but there's other industries, as well. and so you -- what i like to say when you get into something that feels like a bubble or at least feels irrational is that you still want to build a company that has a strong disciplined business-building culture. and when the irrational comes, you have to find ways to sort of contain it. and we spend time on that. because it's important that in our cities where, you know, so much of our team is operating in these cities around the world, you know, it's important that that right culture, that right business-building culture, sort of, you know, pervades all of them. >> uber ceo, travis kalanick, speaking in china, guys. a place that uber is not yet profitable in. they just revealed within the last month, they were losing $1 billion, burning through cash. >> the local competitor there. they have done so much to not only be a competitor to uber in
the private driver and car system, but also to be the technology that the taxicabs use. so their whole approach of a partnership is one that has uber potentially on the sidelines in one of the most important countries in the world. >> to me, the key is his statement that we are not in need of public capital. it doesn't seem that $10 billion they raised recently is going to outlast his ambitions. so he at some point has to go back to the wealth. >> but can he mark that business to market? i mean, that's always -- you know, it's half the stop. not just blood, sweat and tears with uber stock. what is that stock worth? that is a pandora's box he doesn't want to open, clearly. >> when we're talking about vc-backed companies. you're absolutely right. >> but to say that uber itself may not need to go public but there are a lot of employees watching that line where the remuneration comes when they do and investors, all sorts of different structures that rely on them going public and doing so at a certain price relative
to where they got in. >> or the nature of the financing change as you go along. so you get more for your dollar. unlike the staff that deal changes as you go further. and to a certain extent, diluting -- >> and ultimately, builds to a point where the private investors get a lot of as it grows. uber might have it for much longer. >> what was the valuation? >> $62.5 billion as of december. the company can raise as much private capital potentially as they need. the question is, are they still making money or continuing to your point about china? >> they make money in the u.s. and finance that out in places like china. >> you should be a banker. >> up next, jon fortt with ally. >> good morning. >> you were talking about pandora's box. first, oculus. the people who had orders of that virtual reality headset are getting them. how does it stack up versus others, including hdc and sony
and yahoo!. microsoft apparently encouraging certain bids for yahoo! out there. what does microsoft have in the game? and finally, pandora, a new sea sweep. the founder coming back and ceo. is this going to be enough to turn around that company's business? all that and more, coming up on "squawk alley." here at the td ameritrade trader group, they work all the time. sup jj, working hard? working 24/7 on mobile trader, rated #1 trading app on the app store. it lets you trade stocks, options, futures... even advanced orders.
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