tv Squawk on the Street CNBC April 4, 2016 9:00am-11:01am EDT
we should give our special thanks to david rubenstein. >> my pleasure. >> great time talking all things markets and politics. >> hope you come down to washington. >> we will do that. >> maybe do the show from the lincoln memorial. >> can we coordinate that? >> anything you want to see, done. >> thank you. join us tomorrow. "squawk on the street" begins right now. ♪ good monday morning. welcome to "squawk on the street." i'm carl quintanilla with jim cramer, david faber, nice to have the band back together. dow is coming off the highest close since december 4th. something for everyone today. an airline deal, some fed speak, futures in a tight range. oil in focus after last week's 6% drop. the federal reserve kicking off a series of bank reform meetings today led by neel kashkari.
>> tesla's model 3 orders topped $10 billion in the first 36 hours. >> and that data leak of more than 11 million documents making its way around the globe. why the panama papers have more than a few world leaders under the microscope. >> futures inching higher. oil prices hitting some one-month lows. investors are waiting comments from fed president kashkari, and robert cap lylin. talking about q1 earnings, whether the bar has been lowered enough where they have a nice p/e going. >> there's so many downgrades today, it's daunting. these stocks have moved too much ahead of earnings. i think it's true if the dollar starts getting strong again. right now we see a lot of xraens where the numbers are too low.
i'm not buying into it's over. i will buy into the idea that the fed governors will send the market down and buy. we heard from janet yellen. they said nothing will happen yet. that was the most sal yent thing that could probably occur. she said if the company is doing good, buy them. >> so companies that you think are undervalued -- example. >> okay. let's pick j & j. it's been stuck here. you could say it's stuck at the high of the range, but this company has been clobbered by the euro. clobbered. numbers go up. alphabet, 60% of their biz as soon as from overseas. these are companies where you can raise numbers by saying we have easy comparisons. nobody thought that could happen. it's the story of the quarter. the dollar turned out to be weak versus everybody. that makes it easy for the cfos to raise numbers. that's the theme. >> okay. although nobody knows what the dollar will do for the remainder
of the year. for the extent we're going to look to the second half and wonder whether we will get another increase and have that divergence and see about 1.10 again on the euro. >> let's say you're ibm, which had a terrible currency hit. you no longer have to give -- okay, if we had done this. if the currency had done this. those things have made it so it's hard to value. you get one quarter, whether it's procter, ibh, they don't talk about the dollar. they focus on the numbers. apple. when you're on these conference calls, it's all about the dollar. that narrative will disappear. >> carl made the point, and we'll talk about ge in a moment. 20 multiple. multiples have moved up to a certain extent on some of these stocks and names. ge had been down much of the first part of this year. now up 2.5%. >> you're right. i don't like to buy into a
multiple. hey, you want to pay this, i pay 1.2 was you want to pay. if the dollar really and truly has peaked, and it's been a long run, then i might be paying a shade less if janet yellen doesn't raise, the opportunities are so meager. take a look at -- you know what's been screaming is utilities what does that say? not that strong of an economy, good yields, better than treasuries. consumer products goods. most of these companies, good yields, real estate investment trust. i can go on and on. and then a couple of high growth stocks. that's enough do the job. yes, some industrials seem overstretched unless the currency has peaked. >> i see s&p earnings estimates through the course of the quarter are down 9%. >> that would be classic about why you shouldn't buy. i would tell you the groups people don't like, the drug
stocks, not healthcare. drug stocks and banks, you have had -- yes, bobby, let's call it 30% of the s&p. nobody wants this. nobody. they're so hated you see all these faux bank stocks, like morningstar, faux drug companies, device companies, boston scientific, edward science, people are graph tating aw gravitating to the core names. i went over caterpillar this weekend. if you get any pickup, if you think there's any pickup in asia, you have to buy caterpillar even though it doesn't look like you should, or cummins. you have to buy those. nobody wants to buy them but the end markets are doing better. oil, 38 bucks.
26 was the bottom. remember we used to fret every minute about oil? now it's fret some oil, not worry about others. >> tesla once again rising in the premarket. elon musk over the weekend treating that weekend preorders for the mod 38 have hit 276,000 as of the end of saturday. that's about $11 billion worth of sales. the car goes for 35,000, though it options at 42,000. some people tweeting their confirmation order as they made that $1,000 deposit. >> i have to echo phil lebeau. he was on vacation, everybody was bothering him about it. this is a phenomenon. i find that the phenomena crosses all bounds. so you go -- let's say you're going on interstate 95. you stop at a gas station. there they are. your tesla chargers. this is becoming integrated into society. i know so many people, so many
younger people who either want to have uber or tesla. one or the other. >> one you still have to drive though. at least for now. autonomous cars are something tesla is focused on. >> you can't charge as easily in the city. uber in the city. tesla -- i think it's not realistic that everyone will get a tesla in terms of timing. >> how about those deposits. do we have sense as to their able to meet this potential demand? what's that company going to have to do? >> i -- i mean, i don't know. i think it's a high quality problem. >> it's a high quality problem. >> it's a high class problem. >> yeah. can you imagine if you're ford or gm, you're gm and you got your electric car. wow. eh. audi has one coming out. they didn't think -- audi did not think there would be such
rapid acceptance. >> yeah. >> you have been saying to me over and over again, he's been telling us the auto industry is going bonkers. >> no. i think the long-term ramifications of autonomous driving are going to have a negative effect on demand eventually. the "wall street journal" does a story on china and their autonomous driving. you know that's the growth engine for sales. they're pushing hard with support from the government in a significant way. you have to discount some of this stuff. i know it's ten years out maybe. >> we've had one of the greatest rallies of all time. ford was at 18 in 2011. >> right. >> look at that. gm gives money to anybody that has some sort of new technology. >> they spent a lot of money on some of that. >> nobody cares. they just don't care.
>> weird to hear rubenstein saying this morning that brazil is an interesting investment opportunity. >> the real. the real has been on fire. it was a universal hedge fund short. if the government changes hand, could be a growth -- you'll know firsthand. >> we'll see what it looks like in august. >> might be a little early for brazil. >> looks early for venezuela. >> early for -- >> speaking of foreign countries, this massive leak of documents has revealed the offshore holdings of dozens of politicians and public figures around the world. eamon javers has more. >> they're already comparing this one to the edward snowden leaks or the wikileak situation this is called the panama papers. here's what we know so far. more than 11 million documents now stolen from a panama based law firm. those documents detailing how wealthy people around the world
hid their assets globally. so you're looking at data coming from the panama-based firm mossack fonseca is the name of the firm. the reports are in the media that 12 current or former world leaders maintain off-shore shell companies, vladimir putin, the russian leader, his name does not appear in the data. but the data does detail the holdings of some of his close friends. we have a statement from mossack fonseca responding. we have not once in nearly 40 years of operation been charged with criminal wrongdoing. we're proud of the work we do, not withstanding recent and willful attempts by some to mischaracterize it. the department of justice in washington says they're aware of media reports but don't have comment on this. all of this will set up a fascinating amount of speculation. exactly who leaked this information to the german newspaper that was the source for all of this and why did that person leak the information? we'll see story after story
after story coming now. there are other shoes clearly to drop. this will go on for weeks. eamon javers, thank you very much. that will shine a light on offshore activity overall. >> i remember when ubs got -- remember the swiss 5:kouaccount people were using to avoid taxes? this is -- i think this will show that there are so many rich people around the world. put a backlash against the rich. again, the rich are just under fire everywhere. and one of them is running for president. >> i'm not getting out my violin. >> no. no. no. >> tiny. >> i think it's interesting that we are -- that cuba, which was always against the rich, right? there's no statement -- there's no one against the rich anymore. in the countries that used to be against the rich.
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. ge is getting a downgrade from bernstein. they say it's been a great ride but time to move on. the stock is up 27% in the last year. we'll talk to the analyst in the next hour. basically they argue that alston's success, the exit on capital is embedded in the price. risks to healthcare, diminishing returns and cost cuts. >> i think this is the downgrade to watch. why? because this stock, this company is changing rather radically. and i believe that even though the multiple is certainly
stretched, if the company delivers on the worldwide growth, then you will say, woushwow, all i did was buy it. it has done nothing in years. >> it hasn't done anything, though it's been a good year for it. it's almost a year ago exactly that ge announced its intention to essentially divest almost all the assets to ge capital. that's moved at a fairly rapid pace. >> yes. >> now expected to -- applying to do-se-sifi itself. it wasn't until october when y triant put out the white paper -- >> i thought it was a realistic program. buybacks, dividends. we're so dividend starved, high quality dividends, because there's so many low quality dividends out there. if you look at the kimber lees,
the altrias, those have moved up. people want industrial. a lot of this is the way portfolio managers work. give me an industrial yield with good growth. >> bernstein says we think a lot of new catalysts that have moved it are done. >> there's an eaton downgrade this morning. a lot of people feel this can't be sustainable. i look and see how many times did ge get beaten by companies just based in europe? look at what happened with boeing. i know planes are purchased in dollars. airbus has been killing it. that could be ending. >> i think there is a question as to their cost cutting at ge. they've been aggressive, but even a sense they could be more so. >> you think so? >> yeah. and there may be more they can do. trian is going to be focused on that. you know it.
they also will. they're there. it's all friendly, kumbaya, but they're still there. percentage wise as a shareholder, it's small. but as a voice it's a big one. >> you have to admit, the endless selling of assets. they got another one down while you were away. remember when they were like a leading bulgarian credit card company? remember those days? >> never really as true as the market might have believed. but yes. >> king, i think -- >> polish mortgages. >> huge. large mexican real estate holder. >> yeah. >> i always wanted to know what -- they used to have an ad about hungary. hungary. there you go. you wanted them to be in hungary building new towers. >> yeah. >> but not -- not at middle marquette hungary lender. some of these i'm using. but i remember trying to get a handle on everything. it was hard. you couldn't be as smart with
that portfolio. maybe watson could handle that portfolio. you alwa >> you always bring it back to watson. >> watson moved that stock from 120 to 150. >> you have to keep an eye on the artificial intelligence. we are in trouble. >> there was a time when a.i. meant allen iverson, now it means ibm goes higher. >> the clock is ticking on us. >> you're a simulation. >> i may be. >> you're my own simulation. >> i would be a lot better if i was a simulation. >> elon musk once suggested that a tableful of people were a simulation in his world. after those numbers, i think it's true. >> when we come back, cramer's mad dash, count down to the opening bell. more from the nyse in a minute.
all right. it's the mad dash. we hahave about eight minutes before the opening bell. here we are in april. >> i've missed you. last night's game is not indicative of the mets season. >> let's hope not. >> you played a tough team. edwards life science. sometimes someone comes along with a truly revolutionary device. i remember about six years ago when my father needed a procedure. and they were -- for a heart. they talked about the idea of having to crack his chest cavity open in order to do it, open
heart surgery. how that is -- the statistics are bad. what we saw this weekend is there were statusics reviewed for their valve, which doesn't require chest cracking. people say it's working. a lot of people thought it was working. doctors knew it was working for a long time. you have go through fda approval. this is not done going higher. this changes everything. the odds are so much greater for living, getting out of the hospital, doing incredible things. lower death, lower stroke risk. congratulations to edwards life sciences for creating this device. >> an advancement in medical devices, advantages this company and will help people who no longer have to have their chest cavity cracked. >> right here, the doctors all knew. the street was slow. unless you had someone actually involved in facing the dynamic of chest cavity break versus some other method, you didn't
know how amazing this was. this is a device not fully reflected. there will be profit taking. but someone should have bought these guys. >> 19 billion, $20 billion market cap. >> someone should have bought them. this is it. this will change the world. it will save a lot of lives. i point this out because these have been public enemy number one. healthcare, along comes something that's so fabulous for anyone who has a loved one -- who knows they don't want to give open heart surgery, it leads to death. they're not doing it for older people, this one. that test is to come. this is a remarkable device. >> opening bell in about five and a half minutes. ce ocean of occidental petroleum will join us after ringing that bell. more "squawk on the street" after this.
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"squawk on the street" live from the financial capital of the world. the opening bell in just about two minutes. what a week in store. some airline m&a this morning. seven fed speakers through the course of the week, including yellen on thursday. baseball's back among other things. though the yankee game getting rained out. >> of course we got -- >> villanova. >> not a school you went to. >> no, philadelphia, we have little to cheer for. but you have a team located a few miles from your house, you root for them. especially a team about teamwork. i have to tell you, jay wright, not to do this, but he's built a team that's of players who individually would not be anything nba draftable first round. together, it's a team building contest.
a very good team. >> we'll see what happens. that's what is great about march madness in general. >> yeah. >> even though it's april. >> for someone like me, flyers, sixers, phillies -- >> nothing much. >> no. no. >> we have not gotten to alaska/virgin america. david cush talking about why branson is selling, and also the problems. >> some are shocked that a company is as well run as alaska. have you seen their balance sheet? >> that's why they can balance what they need to borrow for the all dash decash deal. that put them in front of jetblue, and it seems like there was heated competition. >> have you ever flown them? >> i think i have. >> to go to alaska. >> and seattle. they go seattle/new york.
>> i think it's a major move by them. the airline stocks are six, seven times earnings. we'll see what happens. >> there's the opening bell. s&p at the bottom of the screen. at the big boards, occidental petroleum honoring retiring ceo steve chazen. at the nasdaq, regeneron doing the honors. >> what a -- what a drug they have for atopic dermatitis. sent the stock up 50 bucks. that drug is -- i don't want to call it lifesaving. what it really is is makes it so -- >> what is it. >> when you have that kind of dermatitis, it's painful, visible. this is a shot. again, regeneron has so many products. people just regard it as one company. i can't say enough about how
good that company is. cholesterol drug is good, too. very smart company. >> stock still down 22%. >> biotech. biotech. valeant. while you were away, valeant went down. >> really? >> it went down. >> day one of my vacation it was mike pearson, see you later. then we had mario coming back for starwood. >> you missed nothing. >> i missed nothing. you have to take your vacations. >> it's like a city bus, there will be another. >> there will be one more. one question to ask in the fallout from starwood what do you do next time there's an incoming bid from a chinese company? how do you approach it as a potential seller? anbang's decision and lack of transparency as to why they chose to walk away after bidding, bidding again, seemingly having a deal yet again, is giving people pause in
the m&a community, it's fair to say. that may be the important -- we can talk about marriott, the virtues of the deal, the billion more they have to pay. next time there's an inbound offer from a chinese company, people will think long and hard about taking it or making them have the money in escrow. we still don't know. there's been a lot of columns written. the "journal" had a good story today. but we don't know what happened. >> let me ask you. the first deal looked like they had financing. second one they did. >> the first deal they had financing all guaranteed. >> right. >> if you want to call it that. they also had some guarantees on regulatory that made starwood comfortable. but the second time, the second higher bid than the marriott rebid they were not yet there. and then they withdrew. we don't know if it was somebody in the government who said -- this is speculation -- anbang you're done. if you're a serl and you get an incoming bid from a chinese
company in the future, what are you willing to do or not do in terms of being sure that they'll have the ability to close. >> i don't know. i think you have to do a just say no situation. >> or put the money in escrow. given how much has come from china, how many deals have been done, this is not an unimportant thing to keep an eye on. >> not at all. i've been waiting for the chinese to come in and buy some of these low dollar oil companies. maybe steel companies. especially now that we put tariffs on. i think it's a unical moment. >> just the lack of transparency. we don't know the real reason. >> the day it happened, it came out, no one could believe it. it was like the chinese, aren't they so rich? can't they pay whatever price they want? >> what was the reason? >> we don't know. claimed it was market -- >> market considerations. >> made me think about primavera
again, and what a good restaurant it was. >> was a good restaurant. maybe we would have been better off. >> what do you have today? you have anything special? >> i got nothing. >> this gap upgrade -- >> yes. >> they're talking about a more benign 4x environment. >> that's what i'm talking about. there's a low multiple stock that i -- i happen to like the company. they are talking about stabilization of gap. talking about old navy doing better if that's the case, that stock is very cheap. it's a cheap stock. there's a lot of retailers that are cheap. the ones that are expensive, but the others are very cheap because others have given up on them because of amazon. >> target is 36 on gap. speaking of amazon, we'll talk later this morning about what a puzzle that's been this year. down 11% for the year after 118%
up last year. >> f.a.n.g., f.a.n.g. -- facebook today, we got a negative note. deutsche saying, look, maybe can't make the quarter. what a bummer note. the stock has been powering higher. we also know that there's some shortages in the oculus, whatever -- oculus and tesla. there's not enough of those. a lot of printers. >> what will stop facebook? >> nothing. >> deutsche makes the point that the weakness historically, even on a miss is bought. >> yes. >> you know, i hate to talk about 2018 numbers, but it's not expensive on 2018 numbers. >> what number are you working with? >> huge numbers out there. the main thing about facebook, it has become -- i don't know if you got to see the facebook article in the "new york times," this is -- we used it after "mad
money," we do facebook live. this versus periscope, the adoption levels of this thing are incredible. people stop you on the street and watch you on facebook. wow, you have a show. that facebook show is fabulous. yeah, i have a show. it's 11 years old. >> that happens. >> villanova last week, wow, you did a whole show on villanova. i loved that show. it's good you switched up from stocks. no, that was my facebook show that i'm not paid for and i give away. >> that's the beauty of facebook, isn't it? keep it coming, we're not paying for any of it, but great. thanks for the programming. >> what happened to periscope? down periscope? runs silent? what is it. >> still kicking. >> groupon is on a bounce. the investment arm of our parent, comcast, has agreed to buy $250 million of six-year convertible notes.
>> wow. >> it's a separate fund run by the ceo of comcast, it's a separate fun run to make money. if there's a joint interest, great. he can go anywhere he wants. the main -- they gave him 4 billion in capital, which is not bad. >> no. >> he can invest wherever he likes. the goal is to make money. everything else that comes from it is also great. >> there is technology out there red shirt technology. it's very good. keeps you up about how you're doing. you get depressed when you have cold weather. not a lot of people coming in. >> am i hearing you say positive things about groupon? >> i like the technology we use. >> what do you mean when you say the technology? >> you know, when you're doing red shirts, you want to know how you're doing at any given time. how is the night going versus
previous nights. it's got the -- it's what people use, groupon's technology. >> interesting. under this deal, comcast will work with groupon to identify and implement potential strategic partnership opportunities. >> it's not too early. still too early to buy zynga. >> i was going to ask you about that earlier. a little early on zynga. >> keep us honest on that. >> by the way, definitely too early to buy sunedison. >> i haven't taken a look at sune. >> you can't find it. >> 28 down. >> 28 cents. >> that didn't work out well for mr. einhorn. >> easy come, easy go, david. it's the way hemg fundge funds . >> it's only some of their money. >> trade sunedison for the mets, can you imagine? that's like trading babe ruth. >> dow is down 33 or so.
let's get to bob on the floor. >> good morning. quiet open. a quiet session overseas. china has been closed because of a holiday. europe is on the mixed side. let's look at the sectors. we see a bit of weakness in materials, a bit of weakness in industrials. alcoa, freeport, dow down a bit. energy also a bit down. oil is down. oil has been trending downward for the last week. still around 36, $37. elsewhere, i've been asked a lot over the weekend what does the panama papers mean for the stock market? it's still too early to tell. i can't quite scrutinize what it means. on the surface that seems to be clearly implications for this -- a lot more bank regulatory scrutiny. that seems obvious. i don't know about the foreign banks. a number had subsidiaries named in these papers for setting up these offshore accounts. at the very least, more scrutiny
by u.s. prosecutors, specifically if there are breaches of the sanctions found there. just generically t would make it easier for people who want to be more hawkish on this to argue for more regulation and more taxation. the answer to the question what does it mean for the markets, it's too soon. you can see there's some clear implications. if you look at what's going on with the european banks, a number of them were mentioned in the papers as having subsidiaries. there's been no allegations of wrongdoing. we should make that clear. very small to the down side there. europe is split today. but most of the banks are slightly to the down side. same situation for bank of america, citi, jpmorgan, goldman sachs, fairly quiet open. slightly do the down side. as for the generics of the market, a lot of debate about which way we're going. i said at the end of last week, the market seems a solid hold. people were arguing over the weekend that we are overbought. we're 17 1/2 times forward
earnings. the risk is to the down side. we're about $120 for the year for the s&p 500. you do the math there you get about 17.2, 17.3. not a lot of people are arguing that the earnings situation could get better. the risk is to the down side. i was surprised a lot of people feel the pain trade is higher. the biggest amount of pain they could have in the markets is the markets moving to the upside. the fed put a floor under the market. this was a major topic last week. oil in china has been more stable. a lot of questions about whether the dollar is peaking or not. a lot more seem to be arguing, better than 50%, that the dollar has peaked. all of that would be for a higher market. many are still underperforming. a small rise in the market will force more back ends. you can argue the market is a solid hold, but it seems the pain trade is higher.
is the ipo drought finally ending? we have been talking about this for two weeks. where is everybody with the markets getting better? b.a.t.s. global markets did announce that it whad terms for its ipo. 11.2 million shares, $17 to $19. that's small compared to 28 billion, 29 billion for nasdaq. still a nice start for them. they will list on the bats exchange. reason what happened in 2012, they did attempt to list. didn't happen. they had a technical snafu. finally i want to know, we have a new designated marketmaker on the floor, gts in the background, they have bought the marketmaking operations of barklbar barclays. this is a good indication that global banks like barclays are
pulling back from marketmake in. guys, back to you. >> bob, thank you very much. let's get to the bond pits, rick santelli at the cme in chicago. good morning, rick. >> good morning, carl. if you're looking at interest rates what you'll walk away with is some subtle changes with higher yields on short maturi maturities. as you go to the long end, virtually unchanged. yes. we could call that flattening, also consolidation, especially the long end post the employment report. if you look at a two-day of tens, you can see it looks like a downward drift. we are unchanged at 177. if you want to see what's going on, open the chart up to july of 2012. that's the closing time of the yield, a bit under 1.40. yes, we're off the yields but bouncing along the bottom when you get a macro view. if you look at a one-year chart of bund yields which are
hovering around 14 basis points or so, they're all-time low yield close was in april of 15. just about a year ago. it was seven basis points. you can see if you use the long end to garner exactly what type of economic activity is baked into the cake, it is excessive. foreign exchange seems to be the whole game. listen, if you're an average person, a stronger dollar and very low pricing pressures is about as good as it gets. if you're an investor you would rather have the dollar weaker to help multinationals. it's kind of which side of the fence you're on. dollar yen, the dollar is at the worst levels since halloween of 2014. i like opening this chart up to a ten-year chart. you can clearly see how significant that 120 reversal was. on that big chart, 110 -- 110 is what most traders are looking for. considering we're at 111 and
change, we're getting ever so close. on the dollar index, one-year chart, october since we were here, but right around 94 on this chart, also very, very big technical level. less than a half cent from where we're trading. carl, back to you. >> rick, thank you very much. when we come back, occidental petroleum ceo steve chazen live at the big board. the dow down about 18 points. back after a short break.
- free wifi is nice but also risky. an open network isn't encrypted, which means your personal information isn't safe. movie times? great. online banking? use a secure network. protect yourself from prying eyes. the more you know. just rang the opening bell. joining us now is steve chazen, ceo of occidental. retiring later this month. you have a fabulous balance sheet, you have amazing prices. is it time to start buying the guys who are in trouble? >> well, you know, people wonder why there's no activity. i come up with four reasons. one, the asset qualities of most of the companies in trouble is
poor. they have break evens, maybe $80 in oil. they have lousy balance sheets, if you buy them, you're stuck with lousy balance sheets. third reason is that a lot of optimism still by the management that it will be okay in six months if they can just make it. finally, unlike other industries, the synergies and combination of bnps is real low. if you buy a packaged goods company, you close the factories, close the pipelines, fire the salesmen, have a lot of synergies. maybe 3 bucks a barrel, not enough for the breakage. the money made in the business and in the old mergers were integrated to integrated, they could do the same thing a manufacturinging business could do. very tough to see the synergies. when you explain why you're doing it to your shareholders which presumably you have to do, you have a lot going against
you. i always make myself write three reasons why i'm doing this. if i can't come up with three, i throw the paper away. >> when i look at what you've done with the balance sheet, how you stopped buying stock back. you seemed to have a great call on lower and longer. is it still going to be lower and longer? when we hit that 40 level, oil came to the markets. >> somebody years ago once told me i could forecast when or how much but never both. ultimately the price will recover. probably longer than people think. in any case, doesn't matter what i think. you have to manage your business to make it through this. all the money made in the oil business is made in the downturn. the $100 oil stuff, it gets wasted.
i have a strong word, but wasted we'll use. in the downturn is when you have to make the right decisions. that's when you come out stronger in the end. most importantly that's the thing a manager can do in this downturn, manage your way through it, pick up stuff that makes sense, adds to your business. but in the -- the industry peaked in 2011 on a cash flow basis. >> right. >> it started to turn negative after that. everybody was spending a lot of money like a sure thing. >> in answer to your question to jim about consolidation or the lack of it, do you then expect we'll see those bankruptcies that we keep waiting for? is that the time that other companies then come around? where does it all play out for these guys? >> the problem in bankruptcies is these are the weaker companies with poor quality assets. nobody wants to make their portfolio worse. not delibetely. you might by accident. i've done it by accident.
so, you know, the -- you really need to figure -- asset quality is everything in this business. everything. it's not a financial business first, technical business. we are focused on the permian basis, largest producer by a factor of two over anybody else. we did that deliberately because there's so many other zones to produce. you always want to buy -- get the option for free. you pay for the base production and get free options. when we went into it 15 years ago, that was the purpose. a lot of oil. you could see it. didn't know how you would get it out of the ground, mind you. i sure didn't. i think that's the key to success in this industry. when you buy, you have to buy a lot of optionality. if you're just buying production or buying what's known, you have to rely on product price, and there isn't anybody i've ever met who is any good at product price over time.
>> really quick, i'm curious how you digest headlines about doha, saudis, freezes, iran. is that all madness? what makes sense? >> i actually know those guys. >> i had a guess. >> i think americans forget that a lot of what they say is for internal consumption. not for your consumption or mine or anybody else. this is for their local consumption. an iranian for example can't say my production -- i have to spend a zillion dollars to get production at 2 million barrels a day. he says we'll get to 2 million barrels a day. you have to break out what's for internal consumption versus what's for your use. i think the same thing is going on in all these people. >> all right. thank you. your humility is unbelievable, sir. you have this one right. >> thank you. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. when we come back, stop trading with jim.
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service revenues. they may even double. that's the story. 14 billion, maybe close to 30 billion as more and more people part of the apple ecosystem. >> what's on "mad" tonight. we have korn ferry. i wanted to hear about what is the deal with why people are so glum and yet business is good. >> glad to be back with you. >> guys, i missed you. >> we'll see tonight. >> we'll see tonight and go wildcats. >> when we come back, breaking data on factory orders. and can you explain why you recommend synthetic over cedar? "super food?" is that a real thing? it's a great school, but is it the right one for her? is this really any better than the one you got last year? if we consolidate suppliers, what's the savings there? so should we go with the 467 horsepower? ...or is a 423 enough? good question. you ask a lot of good questions... i think we should move you into our new fund.
good monday morning. welcome back to "squawk on the street." i'm carl quintanilla with simon hobbs, david faber, sara eisen is off today. let's get to rick santelli. >> we have the february read on factory orders. down 1.7. we were expecting a number right in that ballpark. down 1.7 is the weakest since
the last read of the year, which was minus 2.9. there was a subtle revision from up 1.6 to only up 1.2. if you take out transportation, it was down 0.02. durable goods orders, down 3%. that's definitely a little bit more aggressive than we were expecting. we were expecting 2.8, so it's close. the last time we were down 3%, would have to go back to -- it's quite a ways, you will have to go back all the way to two years, march of 2013, we were down 3.4%. when luke at x transportation, that was down 1.3. nondefense orders, that's nonaircraft, that's down 2.5. that's a capital investment proxy. that's also a weak number.
shipments versus orders, down 1.7. neither were revised. both were negative last month as well. if this is the first major set of indices after the labor report, they're a bit on the weak side. simon, back to you. >> interesting, thank you very much. market essentially, of course, hanging on to last week's almost 2% gain, which takes the s&p 500 two-month rally to 8%. donald trump is telling the "washington post" that a recession is near. economic conditions are so perilous, he says, that the country is headed for "very massive recession, and that it's a terrible time to invest in the stock market." let's bring in the chief market strategist from oppenheimer, and oil analyst from cowen and company. john, what mr. trump said, the back drop for the stock market looks sound given you have a dovish janet yellen and at the same time relatively robust data
coming through on friday. how then do we weigh what donald trump is saying? >> simon, with all respect to mr. trump, he has not shown to be very accurate. i think calling the -- for a recession is certainly premature if anything. and we continue on in this expansion mode. it's intere its interest rates are cooperative. we have a stabilization commodity prices. stabilization overall and particularly in the price of oil of late. and jobs keep growing. that's a good thing. not inflating terribly. if anything, the fed has good space here to work to reflate the economy. >> nonetheless, john, we'll see what happens with the fed minutes on wednesday after janet yellen basically damps down that
hawkish talk. we still do have interest rates close to zero. that's what janet yellen did last week. she said they'll stay down there. that would indicate that the economy is certainly to the strong enough for the fed to be raising rates. >> simon, i think it's less the economy is not doing great but more reflecting on the international economies around the world which are still in recovery. we're in a modest expansion. the real problem is wage growth. we would think it's about algorithms, the offices robotics on the factory floor. and technology, lowering barriers of entry for many businesses whether it's a mom and pop operation or a multinational cooperation. make it a tough slow growth environment but not recessionary. we think political rhetoric needs to be separated from the real economy. >> sam, where are we now on oil prices? clearly way below $40 a barrel.
in fairness to mr. trump, can you argue that's a demand phenomenon, an indication of where we may be going or still about supply and an international factor? >> demand is a mixed bag. i think gasoline data shows a strong consumer which is tied to payrolls which are going up. the data has been weak. a big piece of the move from the bottom in oil to here did have to do with the fact that an expectation that interest rate also stay low and the dollar might be weakening. so some momentum has come back into commodities. it does seem to have stagnated because demand is not quite strong enough to get us over a hump. >> what do you think the landscape looks to the end of the year, sam? >> the next data point -- the
next data point is this opec meeting in doha, qatar. i think expectations are muted for that. saudi has some commentary that they may not be willing to participate in a freeze if iran doesn't. expectations are leaning bearish for that meeting. before that, there's not going to be data. i would expect volatility in a range. until then, it will come down to how fast the u.s. cuts production, which is, itself, a function of price. the longer prices are down here, the more supplies will fall in the u.s., that will lead to international producers responding. i would say until april 14th, don't expect to see too much activity. >> okay. john, i want to mark out that we have janet yellen not only the fed minutes on wednesday, we have janet yellen on thursday in a discussion with ben bernanke, volcker and greenspan. everybody will have to watch
that. as an investor, where do you think the stock market goes? >> i think people are concerned about earnings growth in the first quarter with consensus analytics looking for a drop that woulden even more than it was last time. in the first quarter we were dealing with headwinds, uncertainty. the headwinds primarily coming from questions related to currency, economic growth, where the price of oil was going. of course the dollar, which is moderated significantly. if you consider that the dollar has deprecated versus nine out of ten g10 currencies, and 24 emerging market current sis, cy have appreciated since last friday. >> just a quick question to wrap this up. what are we at, heights for the year now on the stock market? when you say for the earnings season it will be poor, people are revising down estimates, is that in the price we have on the
board now? do we have to work our way through that? >> i think we may trim a little bit from the levels that we are currently at going into earnings season. but i think as we go into earnings season, we'll begin to see the market once again strengthen as a result of likely better guidance with prospects that the dollar will remain in moderation to weaker mode which would be good for u.s. multinationals. >> good to see you both. thank you for sparing the time. john stoltzfus and sam margolin. when we come back, results from the all-america economic survey. and alaska airlines buying branson's virgin america. a lot more on that deal in a moment.
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be a downgrade? >> we expect the pace of market expansion to grow, then q4 was a disappointment because margins were slow. fulfillment expenses were higher than expected. we think some of that is one-time. that got us a bit worried. but the prospect of increasing also amazon web basing competition. >> you still think it's going to rise, the price target is 655? >> correct. 655, that was down from a previous target of 760. so less upside we expect. >> gentlemen, let me interrupt briefly. getting some news on some fed officials from the fed president. steve liesman has that.
>> boston bank president eric ros rosengrin saying markets may be too slow in pricing in rate hikes. he says the market path of rate hikes is too low. i believe it will likely be appropriate to resume the path of gradual tightening sooner than is implied by financial market futures. eric rosengren one of the most dovish voting members of the fed open market committee. he says the u.s. has weathered foreign shocks well and risks from abroad are easing. he expects a strong economy this year and full employment along with rising inflation. he says it will rise gradually. the big problem is this market is priced from zero to one hire this year. he says that is too low, but he does not give a number for the number of hikes he think is appropriate. >> the probability of a june rate hike is 20%, 25%. the fed -- he's not
contradicting the other fed members, is he? he's saying watch the dots. >> i think he is contradicting a bit in the sense that first of all he has to know he's perceived as a dove. when a dove comeses forward and says the market has this price too low, you have to stand up in your chair and pay attention in the sense that it puts june more on the table here. it make s me think he's thinkin two, possibly three hikes this year, especially if the economy does better than it's currently doing. you had a bunch of guys say april. i don't think that's what rosengren is talking about i think he's pointing towards a possible june hike. as you said that percentage of probability is very low right now. >> steve, thank you very much. markets still relatively flat overall, though some other instruments may be moving. let's return to the conversation we were having about amazon. we had aaron kessler joining us on the phone. he was suggesting 655 might
perhaps where would go on amazon. bob peck, you are more pessimistic. >> we think amazon is a phenomenal company. our two concerns is that jeff bezos has lowered the bottom line. investors love to see that. then he tends to reinvest. you can see margins under pressure as we go forward here. you tie that together with more of the valuation, precash flow multiple of 35 times or so for a top line grower of 25%. so a peg of 1.5. i don't think it's cheap, given you're about to go into investment mode. >> it's never been cheap, bob. never. >> yeah. >> 35 times pre cash flow is a high multiple. for those who say you can never buy it, if you think you're waiting for it to get cheap. >> yeah. a lot of investors tend only to look at ebita. but you get a pull back here, and expectations get readjusted
particularly on the margin going forward. it gets more interesting. >> do you believe aws has met its match. >> we put out a 50 page piece today, you have google and microsoft going much stronger, you have diane green come in over at google. you will see more competition. but the big takeaway from speaking to experts, amazon is positioned well. >> aaron, how would react to that analysis? >> yeah. we would agree with some of that. we will see more competition, so the perception of more competition will be a concern. in terms of revenue growth, that's slow. margins around 5.5%. longer term we think operating margins can double. part of that high valuation is the valuation that the margins are still under pressure. >> what do you like at the
moment, bob? what do you think will weather well? >> our top two picks are google and facebook. we think both have strong fundamentals, improving margins, accelerating revenue growth. those are our top two out of the f.a.n.g.s. >> aaron what is your main area of interest. >> google we like now from a valuation and risk/reward standpoint. >> bob, just come back to your valuation of aws, you said $100 billion. >> correct. >> give me a sense of how you come up with that number. >> sure, you're talking around 12 billion, $13 billion of revenue. you look at comparables of 6, 7, 8 times multiple, it's fair given you're growing 60%, 70%. that equates to a 12, 13 times ebita multiple. >> amazing to think. it wasn't that long ago they were not breaking out aws, so we
didn't have is a sense for the business. is that responsible for what has been that incredible move last year in the stock? >> it is. also the operating margin expansion people are excited about. we had four quarters of that. i would expect them to start reinve reinvesting. >> thank you both. bob peck and aaron kessler joining us. coming up on the program, a big call on ge. one analyst is suggesting that the run is over. more on that after this break. eligibility? oe you may think you can put off checking out your medicare options until you're sixty-five, but now is a good time to get the ball rolling. keep in mind, medicare only covers about eighty percent of part b medical costs. the rest is up to you.
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capital as they raise new money. oil and gas coming back. aviation working perfectly. austin integration going well. a number of things have to be executed flawlessly. on a risk/reward basis you have these risk while the stock has risen. we look at it and think it's more equalized now. and that, to us, spells more in line performance rather than significant believe that you'r go from the low 30s to the mid 30s or higher you have to count on additional catalysts, bigger inflection on growth and margin. count on the digitalization initiative getting traction early. we have to see that get monetized sooner. a lot of things have to go right for this stock to work and outperform. >> in a way, is it a call on global growth and a lack of faith that it will accelerate? >> no, it's a premium multiple company. it's a call a lot of that global
growth is already baked into the stock. as a premium multiple. what it means is you start to look at some of the companies at lower multiples who could also benefit from that global growth but who don't have that baked into their share prices. >> we had a discussion this morning about investors being dividend starved, especially high quality dividends. on the list of things where you could be wrong, is one of them investor appetite for dividends that appear safer than others? >> we can always be wrong on a lot of things. we're constantly thinking about that the dividend at ge is certainly well known. market risk sentiment could veer that way. we've seen the dividends play out at ge. it's already increased dramatically. we expect that to continue. this year it's flat, but going forward it's well broadcast that it will go up. if you have an incremental dollar to spend, i would put it over to honeywell, a stock trading more like 15 1/2 2017.
they just announced a new president and coo today, a phenomenal choice to take over for my cote once he goes. >> you talk about some of the risks in healthcare which is going to be a bigger issue as we get closer to the election season. can you walk me through the internals with things like ultrasound. >> you're seeing year after year of price reductions. that's typical in that industry. ge has been dealing with that where they have to take the costs down faster than they take the pricing down. pricing is coming down on the order of 10%. in an industry like that that's demanding, you better come up with new products at higher growth margins and better cost dynamics. healthcare has turned into a margin and cash story for ge instead of a growth story. >> i'm looking here at some notes that trian put out last
october when they entered the stock. they've done fairly well since then. they talked about them committing to 20 billion of incremental net leverage. i wonder if that's something they might do that would enhance the buy back and just use the balance sheet a bit better, that might be something that could move the stock from here. >> i think it's interesting that trian, after putting out that presentation, sold down part of their position earlier this year. the point about incremental leverage is right. there are between 20 billion -- we think north of 20 billion, 25 billion, once they are de-sifi'd they will take on that incremental leverage and apply it to m&a and buyback. from our perspective, this has been well broadcast for at least six months, and shoulding expected. we could expect that to provide a support for the stock on the downside, but don't see that as
incremental news. >> your downgrade was not just of ge, but you seem to be having a tougher time with valuation across the board at least for some of these names in the sector. >> that's right. that's more a statement that, again, the premium multiple companies we think have limited multiple expansion from here. you're already paying north of 20 time force these names. we think there's more opportunity and more likelihood of seeing some multiples expand for stocks that are trading more in the mid teens or low teens, 12 to 15 times, those stocks, rather than the ones trading at 18 to 22 times. >> you mentioned some digital efforts not gaining traction perhaps for a while. are you implying a -- are we being oversold some of these digital promises down the road? >> almost every one of my companies has a major d digitalization them.
the question remains is that just the cost of doing business, the same way your iphone adds functions and features every year but you pay the same amount, will that happen in digital or will companies get paid more and sell more and gain marketshare? i think ge is one of the leading efforts. they have done great work. but it takes years for this to actually make a material difference to the company. they're starting from a good position. they have exciting things to play out. it's a question how long it takes to show up on the bottom line for those initiatives and something that moves the needle for the company. >> steven, appreciate you coming on, talking about the call. thank you very much. >> thank you. let's get to sue herera for a cnbc news update. >> good to see you. here's what's happening. a suicide bomber rammed his car into a security checkpoint in baghdad's northeast suburb killing six troops and injuring 13 others. another suicide attack 200 miles
southeast of the capital killed at least 14 more. the attacks come as isis has lost ground on a number of fronts in both syria and iraq. the amtrak train that derailed near philadelphia sunday killing two and injuring dozens more was removed from the scene overnight. the train hit a backhoe which was on the tracks. authorities say the train was traveling twice the speed limit. the northeast being battered by snow for the second consecutive day. up to four inches of snow falling in the hartford, connecticut area. up to 10 inches of snow is possible in some western parts of new york state. and a 20-year-old woman suffered serious injuries after her car plunged down an iconic cliff on canada's east coast. the vehicle breached the gate at the popular signal hill in st. john's. the driver either jumped or was ejected just before her car crashed down the cliff. that is the cnbc news update. simon, back down to you. >> thank you. top gainer on the stock
market today, virgin america. alaska air winning a bidding war for richard branson's stake against jetblue. alaska paying $57 a share in cash, $4 billion in total if you include the debt and aircraft leases. for that, alaska's ceo gets slots at san francisco, jfk, laguardia and washington reagan. >> their network perfectly compliments alaska. we're strong in seattle, portland, anchorage. good strength in california. but they're extraordinarily strong in california. they have a solid base in san francisco, a solid base in l.a. we think together we will be the airline on the west coast with the largest market share. we think the deal makes all the sense in the world. >> it's only 15 months since richard branson took virgin america public at the nasdaq. stocks were riding high then on low oil prices and because the
new giant four would restrict capacity. inju virgin did warn investors about the risk of predatory pricing from bigger rivals in february's earnings call, david cush called the current pricing in the dallas market as nothing short of toxic. now he and branson are sellers. >> it came down to price certainly. that we have a fiduciary duty. we take that seriously. secondly, this is not about today. it's about down the road when maybe the industry is not as strong or oil prices go up. what happens when you have a $2 billion airline like virgin america competing with $40 billion airlines. it's a good time do it when carriers are strong rather than when carriers are weak. >> up next on the program, more than 275,000 people are ordering tesla's new model 3, a car that won't start production until
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wisconsin primary a major warning from gop front-runner, donald trump in a wide-ranging "washington post" interview published this weekend, trump said i think we're sitting on an economic bubble. a financial bubble. he goes on to say i'm talking about a bubble where you go into a massive recession, hopefully not worse than that, but a massive recession. his advice for wall street? this is a bad time to invest. you have a situation where you have an inflated stock market, it started to deflate, but then went back up again. usually that's a bad sign. joining us is rick tyler, former national spokesman for ted cruz, and a surrogate for the trump campaign. good morning. >> good morning. >> can you walk us through what you think he is seeing about the stock market that he maybe didn't go into detail with with the post? is this about asset valuations? is this about global growth slowing "downton abbedown down ? >> i think it's both. we're seeing a low growth rate and continuing to pile up a
national debt that's unsustainable. you're seeing trade deficits coming in. all of those factors, and a genuine mistrust of the numbers. while the president goes on air and touts this wonder. economy we have, people are still hurting on main street. as incomes continue to basically stay the same, we're seeing the cost of living continue to escalate. history has shown us every five to seven years we go through some form of recession, sometimes more dramatic than others. this is basically the continuing loop we have now. our economy is not back like the president continues to tout. >> rick, trump's career has been based on assessing value of various assets and properties. do you see a problem with the candidate saying this? >> look at the statement itself, it's a contradiction. he's saying we're in an economic bubble. where is this economic bubble. as scottie said we are in slow growth and we need to break out,
but where is this economic bubble? only 20% of economists today think we'll go back to recession. he has not pointed to that, which suggests he sort of made it up. i don't know what he's pointing to. i guess he's trying to scare his base into voting for him because of some impending recession. there doesn't appear to be signs of impending recession. >> maybe he gets a hedge. scottie, does his answer to some of these problems, mainly renegotiating trade deals, going to be enough when you talk about such massive bubbles in debt? >> i think it is a big part of it. we allowed our companies and industries to benefit by moving outside our borders which hurts our workers at home. i think the commerce department just announced factory orders are dropping. you're seeing this reduction. factories are still shutting down and moving outside the country. that's part of the problem. we can't complain about things
internationally unless we're willing to keep them at home. mr. trump's whole idea is talking about jobs, making sure jobs go to american workers. those are things like ttp and tpa that cassoka kasich passed . >> senator cruz, when asked about recession what would his answer be? >> it's clear we can do better, but when mr. trump talks about undoing trade deals which trade dealsundo, and he talks -- everything he talks about points to trade wars. that won't help american jobs. that won't help the american consumer. that will create trade wars, and it's just a contradiction. at the same time he predicts a
massive recession he says he will pay off the debt in eight years, when the national tax foundation looks at his own economic plan, he creates debts and deficits as far as the eye can see. more so than any other candidate has proposed in any economic plan. i don't -- it's just a series of contradictions. >> scottie, if you take what donald trump is saying literally, that we're going into a massive recession, if he has -- there are notably two paths, one is the repatriation of undocumented migrants, the other is he will impose very large trade tar writ iffs on go coming from china. would you be able to go forward with those policies or say this is way too disruptive given what's already happened? >> we have a trade imbalance now of $400 billion.
something has to happen in order to correct that whether that's encouraging -- you don't take the idea of saying you're not going to encourage tariffs off the table. that's like going in to play poker but showing all your cards on the table. i think sitting there, between the two options you gave me there, you have to assess what is best for the economy at that point. that is what mr. trump is proposing. he's not taking anything off the table when it comes to business and economy. obviously it's changing. if we do head into recession, you never know what sort of dramatic steps might need to be taken to protect the american worker. >> one thing i'm guessing you two might be able to agree on is whether or not this piece in barron's arguing that john kasich is the only candidate that can beat hillary clinton and work with the congress is kasich is that misguided, rick. >> kasich won one state, he's
done well there, he's never been defeated in ohio. but he can't win anywhere else. if he can't win anywhere else, that means other supporters don't want to support him. he's using the old line we've heard over and over again, elect a moderate, we'll win. except we always nominate mo moderates over and over again, and we lose. >> scottie, thoughts on "snl"? >> it was very cute, very funny. it's an honor to be played by sicily strong. that's a badge of honor that people have taken on. i'm kind of grateful for it at this point. >> there is no higher compliment. you're part of the zeitgeist now. thank you very much. >> good to be here. let's get to the cme group. rick santelli with the santelli exchange. >> great topics. i think we'll stick with those. i would like to welcome my
special guest. peter, you're my type of high yield junk corporate guy. the conversation we had between the guests and carl was about economic bubble, recession. one thing we know the bounce in this post-recession recovery has not been good. how do you think the economy would act should we eventually, and you have to eventually slip into a recession, is it going to be a tougher recession? a deeper recession given how weak the economy was in your opinion? >> i think it will be a shallow recession. i do think we're seeing this globally coordinated policy from central banks. whether it can get us out of recession and into liftoff, i highly doubt that. they will act much more aggressively and quickly. you see it already in the ecb. they're acting to help the banks sooner than we would have in the prior attempts of avoiding recession. you'll see aggressive central bank policy. that will make anything shallow probably longer but definitely
shallower. >> we have a quandary here then. you're telling me that test tubes inform central bank policy around the globe can affect the outcome, duration, severity of a recession. on the other hand what we know is that we never really reach escape velocity in the u.s., the u.s. is the best of the bunch. how is it you can believe that without reaching escape velocity, once we go the other way, rates never normalize high enough, how is the fed possibly going to deal with that when they never took the opportunity to the upside to reverse some of the policy? >> i would have liked to see us go through more creative destruction. at first it looked like they were doing the good thing by letting volatility take place. we need to get off zero rates, that would be a good long-term curement instead they keep putting band-aids on this. draghi is right, they will not
cut rates anymore. negative rates are harmful to banks and the economy as a whole. we'll see more q/e, more attempts at ltros, financing programs. ways to get money feeding into the economy. that's all they'll keep doing. that's a more ef fengtive effe tool. >> while all this liquidity is not going to be drained out, how will the high-yield market respond given the market is small, liquidity is less, should any glitches occur, isn't everybody going to hedge high-yield portfolios with treasuries? is that going to be overzealous? your final answer. >> i think you're supposed to be letting go some of the high-yield position now. it's been a trade that's worked well. you are not seeing oil rising. definitely seeing slowdowns in parts of the economy. i would be taking advantage of this, selling into the rally,
becoming more defensively. same on the equity side. i've been calling for 2100 on the s&p 500. sell into the rally, be prepared for a pullback. i'm much more comfortable in this lack of liquidity than sell on strength so we can buy in weakness. >> peter, thank you for your answers. carl, back to you. when we come back, keeping an eye on tesla shares rallying after more than 275,000 people preordered the new model 3 car. and baseball season is now officially underway. david will talk to a couple of baseball legends, keith hernandez and ron darling in just a moment. ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪
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3354 reservations per hour. of by the way, at $1,000 peres elevation, they're holding $276 million in deposits. delivers start in late 2017. and will model 3 buyers be able to get the $7.500 federal tax credit when you buy an electric vehicle? remember, that tax credit, it starts to get faced out for different manufacturers after they produce and sell 200,000 electric vehicles here in the united states. elon musk tweeting, look, our production ramp should enable large numbers of non x/s customers to receive the credit. so as you take a look at tesla shares, remember, we're still waiting on their q1 delivery rate to be released any day now. probably coming up sometime in the next couple days. the thing to focus on, guys, when you look at that federal tax credit, is what happens -- let's say we're late 2018, early
2019 and they're due to phase it out. will they be extended by the federal government, say look, let's extend this beyond 200,000 vehicles? you know there are going to be lobbyists for the traditional automakers, as well as for the oil industry who will say, uh-uh, don't extend that tax credit. one of the interesting developments, we have seen this model 3 mania kick up. >> all right. thank you, phil. phil lebeau. it's opening day -- actually, cubs fan. sorry about that. opening day for the baseball teams, last night as well. i recently caught up with baseball legends, ran darling and keith hernandez. we talked about their accomplishments and what to expect from the hometown team mets this year. take a listen. >> yes. we -- what, 2006 was the first year? >> that's right. >> and we have been together for ten years, going on 11. so we feel very fortunate. and our team is on the up.
so more exciting ball games to cover. >> do you expect they will follow through on what are higher expectations than i can remember in quite some time for the mets? >> the most difficult thing, they're in a position where it's world series or bust now. everyone just -- it will be a disastrous year if they're not in the world series. a lot of pressure put on any team. they have got the talent and when you have the talent, you have a chance. but it's an incredible scrum, not only to get to the playoffs but get through it. so i know that met fans are as happy as they have been in quite some time. >> yeah. although there is no shortage of competition, keith. obviously, st. louis or the cubs or the nationals in their own division. i guess they're probably going to beat up on atlanta and first of all this year. >> you are up on your baseball. they'll have a tough time. they're rebuilding and miami is going to be kind of just not quite there, but competitive. they're going to be a team you have to come to the ballpark and play to beat. but it's going to be between -- i always think in terms of the division first. one step at a time. it's going to be between the mets and nationals.
and i really feel the mets, with their pitching -- starting pitching in particular. and in the bullpen saving them. if they don't have any injuries, i think they're going to have the leg up on washington. >> have you seen increases in interest, given the success of the team? >> yeah, just huge. the ratings last year, especially after cespedes came in august and september, through the roof. i'm sure people are going to be so excited to watch every single game this year. it's going to be a great year. not only for the guys on the field, for guys in the booth. because, you know, i didn't know anything about the business side of tv. and until you start working in the booth and the guy who is your boss comes in and goes, boy, our nielsen ratings weren't great. what do you want me to do about it? the game dictates and the team dictates how well you do. and the team is great. >> from my money to the best announcers in baseball, of course. and members of our 1986 world championship team, still waiting for another championship to come, hoping for the best this year. although we didn't get a great start last night.
in kansas city. brought back some bad memories. >> yep. we'll see how it goes. i was mazed by some of the salary figures. average, $4.4 million and 127 players getting 10-plus. we talked about wage inflation in baseball. that's really the sweet spot. >> and it continues. and, of course, a lot of that, as you know, comes from the tv contracts. as the world changes, we get back to sort of a business conversation. the world changes in terms of cable and everything else. you do have oh to wonder about the abilities of companies to bid up rights and whether that will translate to higher salaries in the future. for now, good to be a baseball player. >> okay. let's send it over to jon fortt and a look at what's coming up on alley. >> if you wanted that tesla model 3, i hope you put your $1,000 down, because those expensive spots in line filling up fast. we'll talk about that and the implications for tesla and the electric vehicle market. also, oculus. that shipping. not on time in all cases. what is next for virtual reality? what impact will it have on society? we're going to talk to an
good morning, 8:00 a.m. in tesla headquarters in palo alto, 11:00 on wall street. and "squawk alley" is live. ♪ ♪ welcome to "squawk alley" for a monday morning. jon fortt, kayla tausche and myself back at post nine. also joining us, the founder and editor in chief at the information. jessica lessen. good to have you back. >> thanks. >> a lot to talk about. let's start with tesla. shares seeing a nice gain after more than 275,000 people preordered the new model 3. those preorders for a