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but that won't stay that way forever. these two companies have their ups and downs. i could think of periods of time where lowe's was eating their lunch. the talk on these two names is that home depot does better with contractors. >> speaking of eating lunch that's what we're going to be doing right now because "power lunch" starts right now. >> no chicken, no meat. "power lunch" starts right now. i'm michelle caruso-cabrera. and on the menu today the latest trump shakeup. what's it about? is this all about letting trump be trump? we debate. off target, today's big retail misses say about the consumer. and the british are coming. we're going to tell you why there's a hidden brexit benefit right here in america. "power lunch" starts right now. ♪ and i'm brian sullivan. just three hours left in your trading session. one hour until the federal reserve minutes of its last meeting are revealed. here's what is happening in the market right now. the rally that you and your
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money have been enjoying lately seems to be fizzling out just a bit. the dow is down, not by much at all, about 22 points, but with today's drop that takes the dow negative over the past month. melissa. melissa lee. here's what else is happening at this hour. a bunch of retailers missing the market. another dose of earnings reports, target, lowe's, staples all sharply lower. a brazilian judge ordering u.s. olympic swimmer ryan lochte to stay in brazil as authorities investigate his claims of being robbed at gunpoint. lochte's already returned to the u.s. we'll have much more on this story from rio ahead. and speaking of the olympics, medals keep rolling in for team usa, america leading the medal count with 84 in total. china trailing with 51 followed by great britain's 50, tyler. melissa, thank you very much. i'm tyler mathisen. welcome everybody to "power lunch." we've got a very busy two hours ahead beginning with that big reboot shakeup inside the trump campaign staff. is this what's needed to help him turn things around? our chief washington correspondent john harwood is
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live from d.c. with the latest. hi, john. >> hi, tyler. let's start with the context for this move by the donald trump campaign. first of all, look at the situation nationally. donald trump has been falling behind 50 to 41, a nine-point deficit, that's very large in presidential politics in the nbc/survey monkey poll out this week. then look at the battleground states, big deficits in multiple battleground states. double digits in places like pennsylvania and new hampshire, you see nine-point deficit in north carolina, double digits again in the state of virginia. now, all of that has made the trump world and republicans very concerned. donald trump's reacted by doubling down on the personality that won him the primary, that is to say he is resisted the idea that he's going to change. pivot is the word people used. he said yesterday in an interview, i don't want to pivot, i don't want to change. so here's what he's done. he's brought in kellyanne conway, who was an advisor of
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the campaign, as the campaign manager. her role according to corey lewandowski, former campaign manager, is to travel with mr. trump, to calm him down, to make him feel better while he's campaigning. also says she's going to do a lot of television interviews. he's also brought in steve bannonfrom brightbart news. a republican website been at wars, that means tensions between donald trump and republicans in congress are likely to get worse rather than better. couple republican strategists told me today this will likely accelerate the move by gop donors to support house and senate races to protect their majority rather than the trump campaign. in fact, trump was bragging in a fox interview yet, i haven't spent ten cents on my campaign. hillary clinton's spent $100 million. as for hillary clinton's campaign, they just had a conference call in which the campaign manager said that the southern poverty law center has hit brightbart news for being
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anti-semitic and racist and they expect more and more of what he called the hateful side of donald trump to be emphasized in the campaign. so far that is not resulted in success for donald trump in the polls, guys. >> john, thank you very much. john harwood in washington. let's go inside this reboot now with cnbc's senior contributor larry kudlow and michael caputo, welcome to both of you. mr. caputo, let me begin with you. you said you spoke this morning to mr. bannon, whom you say you don't know particularly well. what did you say? what did he say to you? >> i just congratulate him. i know steve bannon a little bit. one of the brightest guys on the right today. most people consider him one of the biggest idea guys in the conservative movement. perhaps he doesn't agree at times with the republican leadership in congress, but to think that he only has one sheet of music to sing from is
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underestimating mr. bannon. mr. bannon, i think is a great hire in concert with promoting kellyanne conway to campaign manager. she's data driven. she's absolutely evidence based in everything she does. mr. trump respects, listens to her, trusts her, that's a great person to have at his side as he's traveling. and as she said the issue-oriented campaign she wants to see going forward is wrapped into ideas put together by steve bannon. i think this campaign is onto something. what the southern poverty law center says means nothing. they've been actually dropped off the fbi's list of credible organizations. that's just another left wing group trying to take a shot at donald trump. >> is mr. bannon's role here to organize the campaign or to sharpen the message, or both? what are his bona fides as a campaign person? as opposed to a message person? >> i don't know exactly what his duties are.
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right. i don't know exactly what his duties are today. i haven't spoken to the trump campaign. but i think the great way to deploy him would be to take those ideas that kellyanne is talking about, wrap them into a communications vehicle that he comes up with and spread that out to the american voter and reach out to the center. i don't think that -- if anybody thinks that kellyanne fitzpatrick, who's been in this business for 30 years, is going to encourage marginal commentary by mr. trump, they don't know kellyanne conway. >> let's talk about kellyanne, who is a friend of yours, larry. >> very dear friend. very old friend. >> a dear friend. >> steve bannon was at her home in connecticut for two weeks ago, long visit -- >> and she's a frequent guest on cnbc. >> by the way mr. bannon -- to coin a phrase, an informal advisor to the trump campaign. and kellyanne has been top strategist pollster for the campaign. what you have here is a number of things. first of all, you needed bulk at
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the top. they've had huge infrastructure increases. and somebody's got to manage that. remember, since corey lewandowski left, you haven't had the role of campaign manager. and kellyanne will fill that beautifully. mr. bannonis former investment banker, i don't know if you know that, worked for goldman sachs, then on his own, he's been running brightbart, which is a strong conservative website. my stuff occasionally appears on brightbart. he's a producer of a fabulous film, book on clinton cash, it's a documentary which has gone wild at the box office. they opened it up in caan. these are experienced people. >> do you read this as a response born of crisis? a response born of the practical pragmatic realities that there were a lot of indians there that needed some chiefs to manage them? and what do you think this portends for how donald trump
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presents himself to the public? >> well, i think in some respect both. i mean, both. he just needed management at the top, as i said, the infrastructure's grown. more interesting to me, as an informal economic advisor, is the message. see, i never bought into this that trump should change his whole persona. i don't believe that. what i would like to see in his messages more bullets and in particular my area the economy. i think trump on message clobbers hillary. i've said this before, he has a genuine economic growth message. she does not. he wants to lower taxes across the board. he wants to end obamacare, which you can see is in a death march right now, a death spiral. he wants to cut regulations for small business. mrs. clinton is exactly the opposite. across the board tax hikes, more regulations and she wants to save, quote/unquote, obamacare, by pouring hundreds of billions of dollars -- you've got a
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genuine growth message from a lousy economy from mr. trump. you do not -- you don't have any growth message. she is an inequality person, doesn't care about growth. if donald trump in his own way, i don't want him to change, just -- >> is that why brightbart is a signal of that? because all this talk, oh, he's got to act more presidential, he's got to stick to the teleprompter. brightbart says to me that that is not what they're going to do here. >> and trump has said it. he's not going to change. he shouldn't change his persona. all i suggest is inside, you know, when he has these speeches and rallies -- now, the speeches have been good. the standup teleprompter speeches. he's going to run some more coming. but when he speaks to the big rallies, please put in some economic growth messages, some -- put in some law and order messages, put in some refugee messages. he's good on the issues. sometimes he wanders off. i don't care how he says it. >> well, that's where he's run into -- where he's run aground and sort of self-inflicted
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wounds. mike caputo, talk to me a little about this. is this about the messaging and the sharpening of the message and keeping mr. trump more on track, on message presidential? because, boy, when i watch him give a speech off a teleprompter, as i did on monday when he was talking about national security, he looks so unhappy. just not happy doing that. mike? >> well, i'll tell you, he's been speaking his mind for 30 years without a teleprompter. in fact, really resisted going to a teleprompter. it's a tool that is very important in politics. it keeps you on message. it makes sure your entire message is delivered during very important times like these speeches he's giving. i think he's growing more and more comfortable with it. i believe that having kellyanne conway next to him to help him focus as he's going on the plane and off to an event is going to have an immediate impact. i think steve bannon's big brain and great ideas are going to have an immediate impact.
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but let's not forget the position of campaign manager has been empty since june 20th. and paul manafort has been trying to fill that position. paul made it very clear to everyone that he never signed up to be campaign manager. now we've got one. and we got to get going hitting on all cylinders. >> a lot of people interpret this, mike, as a demotion for mr. manafort. >> no, no. >> do either of you see it that way at all? >> no, no, it's a filling up. you needed to bolster the management here. >> no, no. >> i think that's really what's happening. let me add also to caputo's point, kellyanne, whom i've known all these years, great pollster strategist, she's a message person. she's also a pro-growth free market supply side person. and she will focus on the message. mr. trump, as i said, he's got economic growth message. he's got, you know, strong on trade, strong on law and order. he's got a bunch of things that hillary doesn't have. he just needs to learn a little
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discipline in his speeches, that's all. the teleprompter stuff, you know, i was with him at a speech, he delivered a terrific speech. lots of cheers. all i ask when he speaks in front of the tens of thousands, which is pretty cool and rare these days, just insert a few bullets, all i ask, maybe four or five key bullets on the economy, on security. i watched ronald reagan did this a long time ago. trump can do it. >> i don't mean to suggest that he can't do it. i think he's fine on the teleprompter. he just is more trumpian and happy when he is -- we got to leave it there, guys. larry, you're going to stick around. mike, final thought. >> one second. >> go ahead. mike, go ahead. >> yeah, i've never heard of a ceo report -- i've never heard of a campaign chairman reporting to a ceo or corporate chairman reporting to a ceo.
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this is not a demotion for paul manafort. this is a buildout. >> okay. all right. in that regard you agree completely with larry. mike, thank you very much for being with us. we appreciate it. larry, you'll stick around. we'll be back with you in a second. all right. right now let's leave politics because we have got a news alert in the music industry. julia boorstin, lovely. >> that's right. paul mccartney signed a worldwide recording agreement with capital records bringing him home to the label which launched his career. now, this deal brings all of mccartney's post-beatles work, including his decade with wings and all of his solo albums and collaborative works over to capital, which is owned by universal music group. the release says mccartney's working on a new studio album and that the label is working on a plan for his catalog which will be implemented starting next summer. capitol is taking over mccartney's back catalog from concord, which is a california based label. ceo of universal music group says it is an honor to welcome
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him back. it is a homecoming of one of the greatest musical artists of all-time. guys, back over to you. >> and what's incredible about this, guys -- julia, thank you very much. this is 54 years after the release of the beng gals -- no, no, the beatles first single which was "love me do" october 1962. and he's signing a new deal. pretty spectacular. >> fantastic. have you seen -- >> have you listened to it on the radio in high school driving around, and, yes, sully, it is the beatles. i was there. i was there. >> thank you, sergeant pepper. >> all right. could a trump presidency lead to recession? yes, according to a new note out by citi. find out what they're saying about clinton next. and the british are coming and they're staying and it's all a by-product of brexit. that's ahead, you're watching "power lunch" on cnbc, first in business worldwide. will your business be ready when growth presents itself? our new cocktail bitters were doing well,
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all right. welcome back to "power lunch." so we just talked a lot about the ways trump or clinton could win the election. but what differences to the economy will there be under a victory for either one? citi group might have the answer. firm out with a new note laying out the impact that either a clinton or trump presidency may have on the economy. we're joined now by one of the note's authors william lee, head of north american economics at citi group. larry staying with us as well. william, we promise to keep you out of the political muck as much as possible.
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you know you're destined for a shower once that's over, but how did you guys come to a 60% probability that clinton will win? that frames your economic thesis. >> the markets are priced in a clinton victory. and we thought this is such an unusual election that most of the polls have been wrong, including the ones for brexit. so what we did is we adjusted the probability that trump may actually have a higher chance of winning than the current polls are showing. >> and what does that mean for -- let's say you're right. >> yeah. >> clinton wins. what happens to the economy? what happens to the stock market? >> with clinton it's more of the same. and we think that what has been going on in the stock market of sort of the monetary policy-induced rises in the equity markets will likely continue. under a trump presidency, now, both candidates have talked about expansionary fiscal policies, but there's a wide gap between what they talk about on
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the road and what will be enacted. and that has to do with what ryan will allow to go through congress. in those situations especially fiscal policy of trump, that could initially be expansionary, but all of his trade policies may not only cause a lowering of our imports, but it could cause retaliation on the part of our exporters. so that could contract trade. and we think that would be source of recession sooner than later under trump. >> so recession a fore gone conclusion under trump? is that your bottom line? >> it's not a forgone conclusion, but odds are higher because of the uncertainty induced by the trade and retaliatory trade practices he would evoke. whereas clinton is more moderate form of trade policies and in fact probably continuation of the current trade policies. >> clinton, with all due respect, can i just tackle some of these issues on trade for example. hillary clinton has become a bigger protectionist than trump. listen to what she's saying. by the way, trump's point as he had in his last economics speech in detroit, he said he believes
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and understands in the benefits of trade. what he wants is trade deals enforced properly. so that's a horse of a different color, i don't agree. >> both candidates want fair trade, larry. there's no question about it. but the question is -- uncertainty associated with trump and what he may do will cause our trading partners to evoke retaliatory measures. >> uncertainty is a good thing because my hope is trump, if president, anybody for president, would finally stand up and make some decent deals and stop the chinese from lying, cheating and stealing, which they do. okay. point number one. point number two, you got to tell me, there may be recession coming up sooner than we think no matter who. business right now is in a mild recession with profits and investment in productivity declining. but you got to explain to me, trump is dedicated to a substantial reduction in business taxes for large and small companies. that is a pro-growth. that will fuel, that will reignite the economy. that hits a single central
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point. sea corp. go down to 15% with immediate cash expenses. let me just finish this point. i don't know a businessman or businesswoman who disagrees with that. hillary doesn't even have a tax reform plan. and if you read kevin hasset's paper yesterday in "the wall street journal," his editorial, once again he makes the point, i've made this for many years, wage earners, middle income wage earners are the biggest beneficiary of lower business taxes. and that is growth. and mrs. clinton unfortunately doesn't have a corporate tax reform plan. she just wants to tax the rich, tax increase capital gains, tax corporations. come on, there's a difference between right and wrong. as far as a recession or growth is called. >> william, putting aside the trade issues you brought up, what do you think of what larry said in terms of hillary clinton's known policies of higher taxes across the board here? >> well, we're not sure --
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they're certainly redistributive, and that is not in pro-growth agenda. it is as i said earlier a continuation of more of the same, and more of the same is part of that negative investment we've seen for the last three quarters, low productivity growth in the last six years. there's no question there are structural issues that the clinton administration and program has not really tried to address other than to say we're going to give better education to people and try to improve -- >> and trump's promises of lower taxes don't offset the issues with trade? >> that's for us a source of uncertainty. where we think that the trade stuff will come first and the taxes will have difficulty passing congress because ryan's agenda -- >> come on. can i just interrupt for one minute? you use this word congress. if you look carefully, and you guys do your homework, take a look at what the house republicans are publishing. they have corporate tax reform, they have individual tax reform, they want to repeal obamacare, and a variety of other issues. if you have -- i mean, i'm here to just teach you this, okay,
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politically how it works. if trump wins, if, i don't know that he's going to win, and if there's a republican house and senate, the first order of business will be to slash taxes particularly business taxes. but really tax reform across the board. that's going to happen. now, if you tell me there's going to be a three-house democratic sweep, that's another matter because they're going to jack up your taxes, and they're going to spend hundreds of billions of dollars bailing out obamacare. and that would be very bearish for the economy. >> well, larry, trump has already put in part of the ryan tax reform -- >> yes. >> a higher tax rate. so he's putting a nod to what is feasible. and i agree with you that the key is the negotiation between what he and the congress can come up with. >> all right. >> as a viable tax packet. >> we have to leave it there. larry, we have to leave it there, i want to say a word of sympathy over the passing of your friend. >> oh, thank you. >> you were on his show a lot, a lot, a lot. >> you know, you're going to make me cry. he was a great man.
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there's only one of a kind. he invented that whole punditry. but to me personally as i was coming back in my life, he had me on his show, i was an irregular, but he had me on many, many times for five or six years. and he'd call me up and he'd tell me how to be better on tv. and it was just in his heart. i know he was a tough guy, but he was a wonderful guy. >> and a man of faith. >> may he rest in peace. >> like you. larry kudlow, thanks. are massive layoffs coming to cisco? the tech giant not commenting but we dig deeper next on "power lunch." this just got interesting. why pause to take a pill? or stop to find a bathroom? cialis for daily use is approved to treat both erectile dysfunction and the urinary symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently, day or night. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, or adempas for pulmonary hypertension, as it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure.
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hello everyone. i'm sue herera. here's your cnbc update for this hour. a senior north korea diplomat based in london has defected to south korea.
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officials in south korea confirm ho is second in command at north korea's embassy defected last month with his family. making him one of the most senior officials ever to seek asylum. the russian military announced it has launched a second round of air strikes against syrian rebels from a base in western iran. a u.s. state department spokesman calls russia's use of the iranian base unfortunate, but not surprising. adding it may violate a u.n. resolution. russia and iran are strong supporters of syrian president assad's regime. meanwhile, turkey is planning early parole for some 38,000 convicts. the country is looking to free up room in their overcrowded jails for the tens of thousands accused of plotting the july failed coup. and the home team advantage paid off in rio last night in women's beach volleyball. americans kerri walsh jennings and april ross lost. they will have a shot at the
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bronze medal today. that's the news update this hour. back to you, brian. sue herera, sue, thank you very much. just about 30 minutes to go until the release of the minutes of the last federal reserve meeting. stocks are holding in the red. they're down a little bit. i mean, not by much, folks. more dow stocks down, but it's not a bad day on any measure. oil a little change as well. gold is down just a bit. crude oil down 8 cents to 46.50. i think, melissa, we described today as little changed all around. >> so far. until the fed minutes come out. >> i like the mystery. >> last week consumer was alive and well, today a trifecta of retail misses. target cutting full year forecast, sales fall, staples missing on revenues and announcing store closures, lowe's missing expectations and lowering guidance. tomorrow the mother of all retail reports, that will be walmart. will they confirm what is going on with the u.s. consumer? let's bring in jan niffen and also the president and retail
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analyst, good to see you. jan, i'm going to start with you. i'm shocked by reading my first line in my notes, department stores and brands are seeing resurgence. the data points last night was simply because of very, very low expectations and those department stores beat it. so what are we seeing since then that makes you believe the department stores are all right? >> shocking, isn't it? it is just shocking that things could be getting a little bit better with wages growing, with energy prices low, with credit fine, with more people working, it is shocking things would be getting better. but they are. and they're getting better because we're seeing some change in, i believe, the fashion. we're seeing more interest in denim. we're seeing more interest in shoes. we're seeing more interest in accessories. we're seeing more interest in small leather goods. this is all as a result partly of athleisure not being as strong. we saw urban outfitters come out say denim good, boho tops good. >> some people are tired of wearing the yo ga pants all over
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the place so they've started to buy other clothes now? >> that's part of it. and back to school has been good. back to school started early. the customer was interested. she's willing to buy for her kids. she's got the ability to buy. and so basically we're going to see a good back to school. that always helps everybody, including walmart tomorrow. but, yes, things are getting a little better -- >> except, stacey, sorry to cut you off, except in one giant sinkhole of retail. electronics. target flagged that. walmart's having problems. best buy's had problems for about 15 years. what's the issue with electronics? just nothing out there worth buying? >> i mean, i think electronics, you know, is just simply getting amazoned. so target talked about electronics being incredibly weak today. and they even talked about apple products being down 20% because there's not a lot of new excitement out there. so, you know, certainly it's number one the lack of excitement. and number two, the brick and mortar retailers are simply
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getting amazoned in the category. but as you were talking about certainly these stock moves, there's number one, incredibly low expectations for the likes of macy's and nordstrom last week. that's why you saw these 20% moves. and this week, today, you saw american eagle, lowe's and target with high expectations that just came in sort of, eh, and target missing. the good news is inventories across the board are finally under control and in line as we head into holiday. >> is that enough to get these stocks then to move even further so they've come off the bottom, but they're well off their highs at the same point? like you said, low expectations, but what do they do for the next act? >> well, that's the trick. as we go into the all-mornt q-3 and q-4 here, inventories in line is enough for now. everybody's getting all excited about this, because really for the past four or five years retailers have completely failed to gauge demand particularly how to balance an in-store versus
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e-commerce. so the next act is certainly we need to see the demand part of it pick up. sure there was a little bit of pent up demand in apparel. >> stacey's exactly right. it's really inventory question here. they've been good managing inventories coming out of second quarter, even though second quarter wasn't great. but they're well positioned going into the back half because they're really being cautious on inventory buying. this is the lowest level of pre-bought in the holiday that i have ever seen in my career. >> i want to ask stacey if niffen is right. is niffen right about boho tops, which brian and i are going to model later. >> now that's a tease. >> that's a tease, ladies and gentlemen. >> i would pay money to see that. >> the slowing of athleisure which jan has been pointing to for some months on our air. are you seeing it also? >> i agree with jan on that. i've been talking about that for about six months as well that you're peaked here and seeing cheaper knockoffs, including
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primark, $7 for workout pants versus $100 at lulu. you're seeing h & m with a great sport line. you're seeing a ton of the brands come into the category. it's way too crowded here. so i think, you know, we have seen athleisure peak. >> i just googled boho top. now i recognize it. >> i'm sure -- >> stacey, i'm not going to throw any of my friends under the bus, but i saw a picture recently, some of my wife's friends, about 12 or 13 women, they all had the same top on just in different colors. and it was all boho tops. so at least one neighborhood's doing its part. who's winning? who's profiting from this? >> china, i bet. >> don't say that. >> this is going to be good for ralph lauren, pvh, you name it -- >> i want you to name it. i don't want to name it. you name it. >> ralph lauren, p, vh, hanes
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brands, kate, coach -- >> i don't get all this. from boho to coach and to kate? >> because you need to buy accessories when you're wearing real clothes. you don't -- >> and hanes? >> well, hanes is going to benefit because brands are going to benefit. >> and pvh. >> i would disagree. i don't think this trend is enough to drive apparel. i don't think this trend -- i mean, we've seen this trend iterations of this trend the past several years here, i don't think it's enough to drive these stocks at this point. i think if anybody benefits from this it will be the fast fashion guys, the cheaper guys because who really wants to own this stuff long term and pay up actual money for it. >> strange what a boho top looks like, it's flouncey. >> it's patterning, yes. >> bohemian, hence boho. >> so let me get back -- so we're expecting walmart tomorrow. is target any sort of indication of walmart? are target's woes like decline in electronics, like grocery
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problems, are they uniquely target? >> walmart's going to be good tomorrow, but the real question on walmart is does jet work, does it help them fight with amazon? because target's going to get pressed between walmart and amazon. and jet's just going to help walmart do that. so longer term i'm still a fan of walmart owning this space along with amazon. >> stacey? >> i would argue that the real key tomorrow will be grocery. we certainly saw a ton of weakness in grocery at target today. and while walmart is going after pricing in the category and probably gaining a bit of share from target right now, we have new entrants and new threats here. aldi and lite l from germany pressing the store growth coming in the next few years. so i think walmart and target should watch out. >> niffen is nodding. in his boho top over there. >> no boho top walmart. >> walmart is 55% groceries, target is only 20%, but i think walmart is winning in grocery. >> for now. >> thanks, guys.
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so you won't want to miss that. welcome back to "power lunch" everybody. in case you've forgotten, in case i've forgotten, i'm tyler mathisen. mortgage applications taking a dive last week. let's get to diana olick with the details. >> borrowers just not impressed by the still near record low mortgage rates. total application volume dropped 4% for the week, that's seasonally adjusted according to the mortgage bankers association. even refis, which are highly rate sensitive, fell also 4% from the previous week. but they are still nearly 48% higher compared to the same week a year ago. and that's when interest rates were higher. now, average contract rate on the 30-year fixed fell to 3.64% from 3.65%. and that's not a lot, but it's for 80% loan-to-value ratio loans. mortgage applications to buy a home also lost ground, down 4% too to the lowest level since february of this year. they are still 10% higher than a year ago. now, low rates are just not making up for fast rising home
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prices. rates are already starting to inch ever so slightly higher. and they could inch a little more after the fed minutes, though no big drama expected. affordability still the real main issue in housing today. it's weakening due to a severe lack of supply and very high demand. back to you guys. >> got it, diana, thank you. speaking of housing, the british are coming. and that could be a big win for the hot summer that we're having in luxury real estate. fredrik eklund a leading broker and also the star of bravo's "million dollar listing new york requests." good to be here. >> thank you for having me here. >> you say after the brexit vote british buying of u.s. real estate increased, and sharply. which i'm very confused about because if i live in the uk, and that is my currency, it got much, much weaker. and new york real estate got much more expensive. why would they want to buy? >> the brits have always been i would say top ten buyers in new york. but after the brexit i would say top three. i think that the brexit and the
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turmoil in europe in general has proven once again, i've been saying this for so long, that new york real estate is actually the safest place to invest your money. that's a fact. so we see a lot of brits, we see from france, we see from china this summer. >> how is the overall summer going? >> well, summer is usually slower, right? people over $4 million they go away. hamptons or europe. this summer was slower, normally slow, june to end of july. and then something happened. end of july, right at the beginning of august a real pop, a record pop i would say in the market, 43 contracts over $4 million were signed the last few days of july and beginning of august. >> in new york city? >> in new york city. $350 million over $4 million that week. >> what happened? >> where? why? >> who? >> how? what? >> we're startled. >> i would say interest rates, we're about to find out, but they are record low, right? i mean, money is basically -- >> but those kinds of people they're not borrowing. they don't have mortgages, do they? >> interest rates are low. >> uh-huh.
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>> and then of course you have, i think, once again the european turmoil. and then there's a few buildings downtown that just opened with lots of great contracts in them. >> i wonder if with interest rates that low, where do you put your money? you're not going to buy a negative yielding bond. so you buy -- >> you buy a nice car. >> no, they do borrow. rich people do borrow because they can make more money on their investments because mortgages are so cheap. >> i just got a mortgage myself and it was not very expensive. >> say again? >> i just got a mortgage myself and i was surprised. it's very, very inexpensive. >> what kind did you get? >> what kind of mortgage? >> rate? >> i got a really good rate from j.p. morgan. thank you guys so much. >> what kind of mortgage does fredrik eklund take out? >> that's what i'm asking? >> so i bought a beautiful country house, a little mansion. and i'm paying it off in ten
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years. >> a ten-year mortgage. >> so it's an a.r.m. >> but you probably could have paid cash. you don't have to brag, i'm just saying. >> anyway, cash is fun. but i think, you know, interest rate being so low get a mortgage. >> so what's happening? you mentioned the high end really picked up at the end of july. >> yeah. >> what's going on in the middle tier? is there a real difference? is there a bifurcation of this market? >> i think spring was rocky, right? >> yeah. >> oil plummeted and with that rates came down and stabilized since then. below $4 million has been super active all spring and summer has been crazy. i think the segment that i work a lot in, new development, groundup and conversions, there's a number of new amazing buildings for really the first time in new york city between $1 million and $5 million. you know, the new developments -- >> there was no supply for a long time. >> exactly. if you wanted a swimming pool, you wanted a doorman, you wanted this beautiful architecture, you had to pay $8 million to $10 million. >> michelle and melissa, you guys live in new york. >> yep. >> tyler and i, we're -- >> suburbanites.
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>> we're lawn mowing suburbanites. who are all these people? every sign you see in manhattan is studio starting at $999. >> that's quite accurate a studio starting at -- >> i'm there enough and see the signs. it's basically a million dollars a bedroom. >> that's right. >> who are all these people? >> i mean, i'm amazed too. >> you understand what i'm saying? >> absolutely i do. where's the money coming from? >> well, i think there's a lot of tech. we used to say there are wall street guys buying, but a lot of tech money from the west coast. we also have a huge trend of retired maybe older couples, families, moving from uptown to downtown. that's a big trend. >> what about chinese buyers? >> chinese buyers buying for kids, they want to go to school in new york city. >> oh, my gosh. >> is there a certain degree of weakness in the market that's being masked because some of these developments are offering concessions to keep the list price at the list price but offering extra incentives to brokers and offering to pay closing costs, et cetera,
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increasingly as the market starts to sort of go into the fall? >> yeah, i mean, i think right now in the marketplace is it a buyers market, a sellers market? we always discuss that. in certain pockets, especially i would say midtown, 57th street corridor there's a little bit too much inventory and there you can negotiate and get your concessions, yes. >> you know, fred, i wish you'd come seen me before you bought that place in the country. i have a house in the poconos that i can't sell. it's not a mansion. >> why do you call me to -- i could sell it for you? >> he wants to be your broker. >> we'll talk. >> i'm in real estate, i have enough real estate right now. >> on a lake. in the poconos. hour from manhattan. >> thanks. >> good to be here. >> next, you're a turkish war lord? got a water -- >> it's either got its martini -- >> we got the jacuzzi, we got mice, we got everything.
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>> fredrik, thank you. up next, latest drama between brazil and the u.s. olympic swimmer ryan lochte he's in the middle of it all. and we're going to head live to rio and try and untangle an odd story when "power lunch" returns.
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welcome back to "power lunch." i'm melissa lee. u.s. olympic swimmer ryan lochte could be in hot water with brazilian authorities. let's get to cnbc's andrew ross sorkin live in rio. andrew, some fascinating developments today. >> reporter: it is a fascinating development. a brazilian judge raising doubts today here about u.s. swimmer ryan lochte's robbery allegations which made headlines around the world. you might recall after the initial reports the "today" billy bush spoke to lochte about being robbed by gunpoint by people impersonating the police who had pulled over his taxi late saturday night. now, of course that story played into the worst fears about security here in rio and raised questions about the safety of athletes and tourists alike. but now a judge today saying she found inconsistencies between lochte and his teammate's account of the events.
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and she has ordered their passports seized, so they can't leave the country. the u.s. oc said police went to olympic village this morning to serve that order but the swim team had already moved out as previously scheduled. now, lochte is already back in the united states, according to his lawyer. and we should say in a phone interview with nbc news ostrow is fiegtding back insisting lochte told the truth and cooperated fully saying, quote, when there are international headlines about what happened to one of america's greatest athletes while there, they have to save face. and that's what they're doing now. now, we should say before leaving rio, lochte told usaed to -- usa today that he didn't immediately inform because he thought they would be in trouble for being out late night in a taxi cab and violated team rules. they've been the darlings here,
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but this casting a little bit of a cloud over all of it. but bit of fascination of course about what really took place. we'll bring you more as we get it here, guys. >> andrew, i am deeply skeptical. i mean, if i had to make a bet between a brazilian judge and ryan lochte, i might not bet on the brazilian judge. i mean, there's so much corruption and weirdness that goes on down there. you know, i'm not convinced. and two people who've been out drinking at a party and their stories don't match? i'm shocked. >> reporter: i have to tell you that the evidence may suggest otherwise. there's a video that's come out that was shown to this judge that she refers to. it's a security video showing both of these gentlemen and another teammate coming back that night. they don't look disturbed. they do seem to have their watches and their wallets. so we will hold judgment for now, but lots of questions here in rio about what took place. and given just how much press this particular story has had, both here locally and globally. >> i guess, andrew, the other
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question i would have, forget about the case is, is it odd that he's back home, i guess? >> reporter: no, actually, i should say many athletes have already left here and arrived. we showed some video earlier today simone emanuel coming back, she was in texas this morning. just some unbelievable video that will make you cry because not only is she there with family and friends, but they had a marching band. no, it is not unusual for the athletes to be home for those who participated in the first week. some of them. some are staying throughout the rest of the week. and because of this incident some actually changed their security protocol because of this particular event. or at least what we think is this event. so we will of course as i said we will bring you more as we get it. >> andrew, thank you. andrew ross sorkin in rio for us. all right. don't move a muscle. we are just moments away from some potentially market moving news from the federal reserve. are they finally ready to hike interest rates for the first time since last december? or will the doves down the hawks yet again? the fed minutes out after this
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all right. 20 seconds now until we get the release of the minutes of the
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latest fed meeting. here's where we get your setup. the dow is down 14 points. not a big move, but we're now negative over the past 30 days. the market is fizzling out a bit. 10-year yield at 0.75%. gold a little softer. here is hampton pearson in d.c. >> reporter: from the june federal reserve minutes, listen to this. given the economic outlook, they, monetary policymakers, judge that another increase in the fed's rate was or soon warranted with a couple advocating an increase at that meeting. that's however still dropped off to a discussion about exactly what kinds of conditions would it take to actually pull the trigger on a rate hike. essentially a split among policymakers. some actually concerned that inflation is going to fall short of the 2% benchmark and therefore it would be appropriate to wait for more data to see if there would be a
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movement on inflation. there was also concern going forward too to see if the job market would strengthen further. and on the downside, a concern about the lack of business investment going forward. but on the positive side what led to the fed essentially saying that economic risk essentially were a little more on the balanced side. participants agreed that the proper recovery of markets following brexit as well as that pickup of job gains in june had alleviated some of their uncertainties. again, that inflation -- the concern about inflation not meeting the 2% target a big speed bump going forward. and, again, the call for waiting for more data. a few of the members also emphasizing that there was a concern about the continuing low interest rate risk intensifying incentives for investors basically to reach for yield and possibly a misallocation of capital and a misallocation of
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risk. overall members generally agreeing that it was prudent to basically wait for more concrete data as far as the timing of future rate hike. but there it was in plain english the belief that a rate hike is imminent. back to you. >> got it. thanks, hampton. let's bring in gabrielle la santos, global market strategist at j.p. morgan and global advisor pimco, danielle, i'm going to start with you. does this mean we're going to get a hike in september? >> i think right now the markets are believing dudley more than they are williams. it sounded like there was definitely a more hawkish slant to these minutes. and that would back dudley saying that the markets right now are way too complacent when it comes to prospects for a september rate hike. >> gabrielle. >> it seems hard just judging by data in terms of labor market, economy, it's getting harder and harder to justify such low rates and the fact that the fed has still not raised rates this
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year. so i think they're opening up definitely and preparing the market for another rate hike this year. >> yeah, i think to me the four letters were they said soon, may be soon appropriate. they didn't say september. back in april they said june it could happen. now they're saying soon. so i think it's a hint that september's on the table. but it's not a broad commitment to go there. >> let me ask you more strongly because i've been a little more hawkish than some of my colleagues. if they don't raise rates in september, have they lost all credibility? >> well, i wouldn't say they've lost all credibility, but i think the last two or three months have set back fed credibility. they seem to be wallowing in uncertainty. >> rich, i'll take it a different way. >> go for it. >> they seem to be desperate to find a reason not raise rates. >> not to, right. >> things are good, but now -- >> so much to worry about. >> but the job numbers and inflation -- >> tyler's boho top -- >> there are quite a lot of -- there are quite a few howevers floating around out there. and certainly the fed speak doesn't make it any better. >> danielle -- >> i think all eyes will be on jackson hold next week try to
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get a tie breaker oult of yellen. >> danielle, how fractured is this fed? >> oh, look, you've got ester george dissenting, you've got words in the minute as in was, was appropriate. that means there were members of the committee who were actually -- >> who were for it. >> they were ready to go for it in july, probably june. i think there's a tremendous amount of dissension on the federal open market committee these days. but again, you need to listen to the chair yellen and the vice chair, the second in command, dudley. listen to their words the most closely in my view. >> so we're looking at intraday charts of the dollar, the major averages. they're reacting -- major markets reacting negatively, but not strongly. fed rate hike probability has gone up, pricing in the chance of a -- >> but rates have come down in response to this. >> right. >> across the yield curve, it looks like. and the dollar has come down off of this. >> right. bring up the dollar chart
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intraday. it's very interesting. >> i'm just wondering, how would you -- it seems like -- >> don't you think the dollar would go up? >> seems like investors don't know what's going on. >> i think you hit the nail on the head. this is a fed with 17 participants and i would say 17 different opinions and right now the chair has not really imposed her will. we'll see at jackson hole if we get the yellen take on all of this. but right now it's each man or woman for himself. and that's why the markets are confused. >> is it really though? do you think it's really, you know, eight people against yellen? or maybe if eight said, g gabriel gabriela. >> isn't it interesting we had arguing for a rate hike sooner than later and now pointing to more and more members joining that camp. >> even sooner. >> even sooner or especially after the june employment report and after brexit came and went. so i think we're getting more and more members of the committee joining that rate hike camp. >> so i would -- >> bear in mind, the election.
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the election -- september's really the last opportunity to hike rates before the election comes. unfortunately, for janet yellen, she won't have the latest labor report for the month of august in hand when she presents at jackson hole. >> right. >> let's look at this dollar chart again, i still want to go back to this because i'm very confused. the dollar should be moving higher if you think a rate hike is coming. and instead it had that momentary spike, and now it is lower. this isn't some japan yen day, is it? >> i think it's part of the credibility issue that we talked about. we've been talking about the fed all year. they were crying wolf for a bit there, came back. i think the way that they can regain credibility is really just acting, right? is just raising rates. and until then we'll have some question marks whether it's in the dollar or yields. >> all right. hold on, we want to get rick santelli standing by with the reaction and his interpretation of what's going on. this 10-year yield drop 1.5% is where it stands right now, rick. >> tell you what, there is one group that's totally confused. and trust me, it isn't these
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guys. these guys aren't confused. they know that words are words and actions are actions and none should the on the fed. the fed brings new indecisive hypersteroids. we were at 77 in the twos, right now at 72. that's not confused. that's convinced they're not going any time soon. 117 and five at 113. in the long end it did wake up briefly. it was a 2.28. now it's at 2.26. but watch 30s to 5s, it's about to get the flattest it's been in 16 months. and, yes, the dollar index, king dollar, it was up 13, it's down 6. confusing would be if all the markets were roughly the same. >> rick? >> yes, sully. >> i hear you. you're right. the bond market is saying one thing. the fed minutes at least in print as we're reading it seems to be saying another. why do the men and women behind you think that the spike and soon maybe some already wanted
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to raise it that they're disregarding the fed and no rate hike is coming. why do they feel that way? >> they're not disregarding the fed. they have been conditioned by the fed. just like a pavlovian dog, ring bell, salivates looking for the food. the fed rings bells, they don't do anything, they ring bells, they don't do anything. these guys get it. there's huge opportunity in fading the words. there's huge opportunity there. these guys are conditioned by one thing, money. and they've been highly rewarded for taking the tact that they have taken. and i don't see them breaking that any time soon. if the fed wants to get back on offense and try to at all put together their credibility again, they need to talk less and act more and corral these people. we talk about trump and all his people and his campaign. the fed's way bigger, maybe way more important and you have these fed officials going on with 180 degree opinions. it's crazy. >> hold on, rick, i want to bring in bob pisani from the floor of the new york stock
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exchange. bob, rick was talking about how the people, the actors in the bond market don't think it's going to happen. in the stock market we're not seeing that selloff that you would think, for instance, in the financials. if there is skepticism based on these fed minutes that the fed is going to hike sooner rather than later? >> i think the stock market is saying that there is no consensus on this in the fed. and they believe that yellen will ere on the side of caution and be dovish in jackson hole. i think that's what the stock market is saying. look what matters here. concern inflation might fall short. many wanted to wait. that's not a consensus on jobs may was an anomaly, think the job market is good. some concerned job market growth will not keep strengthening, so not a consensus there. on the foreign issues and brexit, brexit's still -- concerns still present. not a consensus there. everything indicates that they're going to hold here. now, yellen, we know generally eres
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errs on the side of caution and sounds like yellen will be dovish at jackson hole. >> could it be clear it up the market thinks, shoot, these people might raise and that would be bad economically and therefore that would bring down the long end of the curve because it would be, i don't know, recessionary or negative for the economy. >> well, i think there's a bit of that. but let's remember we're in the eighth year of recovery, full employment, inflation is above 2. we don't need emergency interest rates so i think the disjunction is until we get that second hike, until this looks like a rate hike cycle and not a one and done, you're going to have market reaction like this. >> it's eighth inning of a seven-inning game, seems to me. we need to get rick some kibble. has anything changed your view as to when the fed is going to raise? >> i think, look, september is a possibility. but all the stars have to align. we still think that december is much more probable but that the market needs to get that pricing a bit better, right? they need to get used to this idea. and it's not just this year, but
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it's the cycle next year as well, right? how many hikes will we get next year? >> by the way, markets just turned positive, s&p turned positive on this. look at utilities, pull that up intraday we are seeing the spike. dividend paying stocks have sold off recently because there was a notion that a hike could be coming, rates could be rising and yet we do have a bid back to these dividend paying stocks. >> but does that make any sense to anybody when the fed says it would soon be warranted to raise rates? right? >> they had a laundry list of why it won't be. >> gabriela, pending an kpoj nest event, i'm going to die and the federal reserve is going to raise rates at some point, i don't know if it's september or december, i'm also sure the chargers won't win the super bowl this year, but i don't want to jinx my favorite team. so given that, what do we do? if you believe the fed will raise rates, timing is kwoi
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coincidental or incidental, what do i do about it? >> so we've been talking to clients about this. it's not necessarily trying to get the timing right. we've clearly not been able to do that that well with this fed, right? so i think it's making sure that our portfolios are not as defensively positioned as the market was behaving in the first part of the year. so for example really looking at cyclical sectors within the equity market, right? sectors it's not just about interest rate increases but the fact that the economy's doing much better than it seemed in the first half of the year. so making sure that we're not defensively positioned. >> so is that tech? is it industrials? discretionary? >> it's discretionary, financials, tech, health care. >> danielle, jump in. >> look, i think what dudley was trying to jawbone and what the minutes are trying to say, one of the smartest things i've heard in the last few days is that they're all looking for something north of 50% probability for the december meeting, right? if the fed acts according to
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script, its latest script, that means it's going to have markets on tender hooks for a september hike but actually won't come through and deliver until december, until after the election comes and goes. that's what it did when it was threatening to taper purchases after qe-infinity, that's what it did last year right before that very first rate hike. the markets were anticipating september and the fed delivered in december. >> and i think the message to markets with this fed certainly since december and dudley said it himself is they're really focused on financial conditions. they're very focused on the dollar. they're focused on emerging markets. and so they're doing everything they can albeit with diminishing returns. and they've been at this now for a number of years to sort of keep the appetite for risk assets alive. and i think that is the message right now. we're in a range of diminishing returns, but you don't want to go against that very powerful force. >> quick final question to danielle. the election, you might have heard about it it's in november -- >> i've heard something about
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that. >> you've worked inside the fed system for a long time. do you honestly believe, and seriously, that they would not raise rates even if they wanted to ahead of it because somebody's going to say don't do anything ahead of the election? >> i do not -- >> would they actually do that? >> no. look, on the inside we're told to say it doesn't matter, but the election has a huge bearing on fed action. i don't think they'll raise ahead of this election. >> wow. >> because they don't want to be seen as political? is that the idea? >> they want to portray themselves as being apolitical, but i consider the fed to be anything but apolitical. i consider it to be a highly politicized institution. >> so what happens -- so by that theory they're not going to move in september because maybe they want to hold off and not be inserted into the political process. let's say the election destabilizes the markets, one way or another. >> then the person who's right in the end is art cashin who's been saying all along that the fed is not going to make one
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move this year. and i'm actually with art. >> because if the markets get rocky after the election, they're not going to move in december. >> they're not going to do anything. >> interesting. >> to rick's point a few minutes ago, it has been years and years and years and they have always found an excuse to not -- >> volatility! [ overlapping speakers ] >> interestingly fed fund futures indicate a drop in expectations for a hike in september as well as december based on these notes. >> there you go. >> yes, i know. but those are just bets. >> based on after the fomc minutes. >> so read a signal, they move. >> it's turned out to be a fun day. >> rich and gabriela, thank you. >> i've just heard the fed is beholden to the politics, beholden to the white house, to the stock market, to brexit. >> yes. >> that's all we talk about. we've all been doing this a long
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time. the federal reserve, maybe i'm crazy, seemed to at some point -- >> why is this a surprise, brian? >> well, i've been saying -- >> it's not. that's the way it is. >> he's channelling his inner santel lirks. and rick is out there with the pavlovians. >> markets by the way green across the board. >> there you go. >> different than the old boss. >> santelli gets the last word. one of the fastest growing private businesses in america is a company that sends a box of gear to geeks and gamers every month. is this a club you want to belong to? evidently a lot of people do. we will talk to the ceo and get you the latest on the fires in california, and more seriously those floods in louisiana. "power lunch" returns after this.
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ink magazine just out with ink 5,000 issue ranking the fastest growing private companies in the country. the number one company on the list is a multimillion dollar geek gift box business. its name is loot crate. the company's founder, chris davis, gracing the cover of the magazine out today. and mr. davis joins us now. chris, welcome. good to have you with us. we're grateful that you could join us. >> thanks for having me. really excited to be here with the team. >> your growth has been 66,000
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percent over the past several years. your revenue's up above $100 million a year from basically nothing. most people including yours truly had never heard of loot crate because maybe i'm not your target audience. tell us what you do and how you've achieved that kind of growth and success. >> we like to say it's the best surprise you know is coming. we find exclusive content from the best entertainment brands, marvel, lucas, dc, and create these authentic exclusive experiences. and really target the core fan. so i think that's probably why you haven't heard of it because we're talking directly to the most passionate fans of geek and pop culture at this point. >> geeks and pop culture, t-shirts, a magazine included in the box every month. are these boxes curated for individually, or does everybody sort of get the same box? you subscribe, what is the subscription rate?
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you get a box every month filled with this stuff, right? >> yeah, our main product is $20 a month. we have a whole in-house curation team. we try to find relative items from that month. so we have these big 650,000-person event when the boxes are delivered. everyone gets the same items, they talk about it. yeah. >> so give me an idea of what is in the last box you all shipped or what might be in the next box you ship, if you do that, look ahead. >> yeah, our july box featured a futurama collectible ship, planet expossess, rick and morti t-shirt. we created a plaque from str"st trek," we try to cross the whole gamut of pop culture and mesh up franchises you're not used to seeing. >> what do subscribers do with
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this stuff? >> we try to fit it into everyone's lives. it's a collectible on your desk. a t-shirt, a geeky dead pool mug in the morning for your coffee in the kitchen. we try to bring fun and magic to everything you have. >> give me some sense, you're charging $20 a box, a loot crate, per month. give me some sense, i'm not going to ask you to pin it down, of the range of what your cost is for the stuff that's in there. >> so we're buying some of the largest volume units so we get incredibly good pricing. i think the subscription model allows us to take a lower margin than a traditional consumer products business because there's a long life for that customer. but we definitely have healthy margins and it was how we were able to boot strap the business for three years. >> and when you say a long life of the customer, i take that is as a way of saying that your subscribers stick with you? >> yeah. we work hard to make it something that is of great value
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and really fun. like we said, the best surprise you know is coming. physical goods are still, i think, loved by a lot of people. but the world's gone digital so quickly. >> will you send us a box? >> of course. >> we would like -- i'll pay for it. i'm happy to buy it. but i just want to see and display some of the stuff. but thank you, chris. you know, if this thing doesn't work out for you, this loot crate, you should be on the next bachelorette, you got the look, the whole thing going for you. >> tyler is an expert. >> i got two addictions, "hamilton" and "the ba bachelorette". >> i'm with you. >> see. all right. all right. congratulations on the cover of "inc." magazine. >> are you going to share the box? >> he looks good in a suit. >> why are you so skeptical? the look on your face. >> who is tyler mathisen, the boho top, bachelorette, loot
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hi everyone. i'm sue herera. here is your cnbc news update at this hour. police in germany have arrested the man who illegally sold the gun used in last month's deadly shooting rampage at a munich mall. prosecutors say the dealer sold the shooter the pistol and 100 bullets for about $4,000 back in may and later sold him 100 more bullets. nine people were killed in that shooting. cuba and the u.s. are teaming up to fight the zika virus and other health concerns. a u.s. delegation is expected to visit cuba in october. this new alliance comes a little more than a year after the u.s. flag was raised in front of the u.s. embassy in havana. and a new study shows nearly
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50 children a day end up in hospital emergency rooms for injuries related to strollers or car carriers. most reportedly suffer head and face injuries. the study's co-authors advise parents to always buckle their children into strollers or a carrier and to make sure that the product is the appropriate size for the size of the child. and who says you can't go home? not paul mccartney certainly. he's returning to capitol records signing a new worldwide agreement with the label that brought the beatles to the u.s. in the 1960s. the record company says mccartney is also working on a new album. look forward to that. that's the cnbc news update this hour. melissa, back to you. thank you so much, sue herera. let's take a check on the markets right now. this just about 31 minutes after the fomc minutes were released. back in the red across the board, biggest moves within the equity markets are seen in the utilities if you pull that up on intraday basis utilities up by more than 1%. taking a check on oil, hanging around break even after up and
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down session. michelle. jc penney ceo marvin ellison took over the company more than a year ago. since then the stock is up 20%. today ellison is meeting with analysts and also courtney reagan who's live from irving, texas. courtney. >> reporter: thank you very much, michelle. of course i can't come all the way down here for jc penney analyst day and not sit down with ceo marvin ellison. he took over just about a year ago. and so now he's here answering some of our questions. congratulations on the quarter you all posted on friday. here you laid out your three-year plan. i will tell you your stock is down about 3.6%. you're looking at comp sales to grow 3% to 4% by the year 2019. i'm not sure the market believes that, especially with mall traffic declining mid single digits. so what will you tell those that are skeptical that you can actually follow through with your plan? >> well, i think for us it's all about the results that we believe we can deliver. we have a couple huge initiatives that we believe will be net positive, not only in the fall season but for the next three years.
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we're going to expand our sephora cosmetics business. it's been a wonderful business attracting new millenial customer. we're rolling out in 500 stores this year and we see continued growth over the next couple of years. we have a strong, aggressive plan to fix our windows business. back in 2006 jc penney was the number one in market share in windows touching a third of the america's homes. and we destroyed that business with a lot of resets that really did not drive any type of customer awareness. we believe pick up in store same day we were one of the few large retails that could not execute that. we've rolled out chain wide this year, we'll get benefit in the second half. and we think the whole value message is really important to our customer. i mean, we struggled years ago understanding who our customer was, what she wanted and how we could serve her. and we think the data leads us in a much better clear direction. and market today we don't look at it day-to-day, there are a
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lot of retail activity in the market, couple poor results from a couple large retailers, we had great results last week. our stock is up for the year. and we think we're headed in the right direction. >> so appliances is a big part of some of your new initiatives as well as pilots with ashley furniture and empire flooring. i understand your best selling refrigerator is a $2,700 version. >> that's correct. >> that's great. but how many refrigerators does a customer need? are they going to come in and buy a refrigerator and come back, are you worried you're getting one-timers? >> not at all. in the u.s. 100,000 appliances break every day. that's a fact. so customers will always need appliances. the appliance market is projected to grow at 30% over the next three years. though not many retail categories that have that type of growth projections or trajectory over the next three years. so we don't believe that. what we do know a third of the
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customers buying appliances are brand new customers to jc penney. we know 70% of those appliance customers are buying on a jc penney credit card. and over a third of those customers are new credit card customers. we know that the appliance category is 10x more profitable than our existing categories from a gross profit and from a sales standpoint. so we know we're doing this business the right way. we are growing an accretive, profit accretive, dollars per sales foot and we think we're headed in the right direction and we think this is a customer that will shop in other areas. our stores with appliances have a slight halo effect where the other categories are lifting as well, which tells me that when she comes in she's going to home, she's going to kids, she's going to women's apparel, she's going to sephora. we think this customer is more than a one-time customer. >> you said you hope to pick up one-time customers, what about all the macy's store closures?
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if a macy's closes in a mall where there's also a jc penney and/or sears, what happens with the traffic flows? >> historical trends tell us it is a net positive to jc penney. when we share a mall with sears and they close, we gain market share. so it's a net positive from a sales growth. when macy's closes in a mall, historically it's been a net positive for a couple reasons. number one, because it is well telegraphed. so we know exactly when it's going to happen so we can take specific steps to get the traffic to flow our way. and also if a retailer is closing a store it's typically an underperforming store. and an underperforming store isn't creating a ton of traffic in the first place. so mall operators can replace an underperforming retailer with a more dynamic business model, maybe a theater, maybe a restaurant or some other attraction. but net positive we think that it's going to benefit us and allow us to take market share. >> what about your store fleet? you're going to stick with where you are? >> every year we take a very hard look at our store portfolio. last year we closed roughly 40
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stores. we're going to close about seven stores this year. but what we understand is that we don't want to run on profitable stores. and we have very few stores that are full all cash flow unprofitable. what we want to do is leverage our 1,000 stores to help to drive our omni channel business. we want to lever these stores to deliver from store to pick up in store. and what we've learned from a digital e-commerce perspective over 50% of our e-commerce transactions touch our stores. that's a significant number. and so what we understand is we can lower our costs to deliver for us, we can make it more convenient for our customer, and we can drive foot traffic in our brick and mortar locations. having said that, if a store is not strategically relevant, it won't stay open. and if it's not profitable, it won't stay open. if it is profitable and strategically relevant, we see no -- >> marvin, i think we have a question on the east coast. >> yeah. thanks, it's melissa lee here in
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englewood cliffs, marvin. i want to get to your commitment to these physical stores because last week, you said, i'm going to paraphrase, e-commerce competitors who think they can fully compete without our store is, in your words, in for a rude awakening. is that a dig? >> not at all. we have brilliant competitors that are pure play e-commerce companies. and they have a very specific strategy. but if you're a brick and mortal retailer, in my opinion you have to leverage your assets. your assets are primarily your employees and your physical structure. we can take 1,000 stores and we can use those stores to deliver from store to create what we call enterprise inventory, leveraging inventory from the dot com dcs and in our physical store dcs and in our physical stores. so if you have 1,000 stores geographically located around the u.s., we think it's prudent to use those physical locations to reduce the delivery time, create convenience for the customer and leverage the asset in a more effective way.
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>> and you said that you'll do that and be able to deliver to 90% of the country within two days without a membership fee, is that a dig at amazon? >> not at all. it's really a value proposition. i mean, we think next year 95% of our in-store deliveries will be two day or less because of the geographic footprint and because of the technology we're layering on top of our digital and physical environment. and we think that it's all about leveraging what we are good at versus trying to do what our competitors are better at. >> well, you've laid out a big plan here today. you know we'll be following along. brian, do you have a question? >> just a quick one, courtney. i'm sorry, awesome interview. mr. ellison, it's brian sullivan. you're based in texas, i've got to ask you, do you have any metric to where gas prices impact you, if they go up a quarter, does it do x amount of damage to your business? does it matter to your customer? how does oil and gas, what does it mean to jc penney? >> well, it really has had a really kind of a marginal
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impact. one of our strongest performing areas last year was texas and the southwest. and while the market was going through reducing oil prices and fracking and alternative energy was really going through a transition, we saw no material impact to our business negative or positive. so we see it as a net neutral. obviously energy is a huge economic driver in texas. and texas remains one of our strongest markets. and we think that's going to continue. >> thank you very much for being here with us today, marvin ellison, ceo of jc penney. i think you've got some work to do. >> i do. >> so i guess i will let you go. brian, melissa, michelle, tyler, back to you guys. >> courtney, thank you. up next, a look, a book and a nook. the good, the bad and the ugly in today's trade when "power lunch" returns.
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welcome back to "power lunch." time now for the good, the bad and the ugly. let's start with the good. urban outfitters higher by 16%, reporting second quarter profits 10 cents above estimates as well as an improvement in profit margins. thanks to fewer promotions. then there's the bad, staples is down 7.5%. the office products retailers reporting sales drop for the 14th quarter in a row. and it is an ugly day for barnes
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& noble, look at that down 12% ousting chief executive officer ronald boyar saying boyar was not a good fit for the book seller. brian. thank you very much. well, we talk a lot on this show about ford and general motors and fiat chrysler and ferrari and all that kind of stuff. but the hottest single car maker in america may actually be s subaru. increased sales every year since 2008. how is subaru doing it? phil lebeau is live at the company's only u.s. plant. phil. >> brian, i know you fancy yourself to be a car man. so to answer your question, they're doing it based on reliability and safety, the hallmarks of subaru's marketing campaign here in the united states. but i also get this question a lot from people, i hear about subaru, but where are they sold? where are the most popular states when it comes to subaru sales. if you live in the northeast, this should not surprise you, top states and northeast as well as rocky mountains that's why
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you see montana in that map as well. and subaru is in fact growing sales faster than the market overall, up 2.7% this year. i know that doesn't sound like a lot, but remember we're coming off a record year for auto sales in this country. industry overall is up only about 1.3%. subaru now the ninth largest auto brand in the u.s. and for the dealerships that means tight supply. that's why they're increasing capacity and production at this plant here in lafayette, indiana, adding a third vehicle this fall. and the key here, can they add that production while maintaining quality? >> they really want to make sure that they're going to be able to extract value from those vehicles over, you know, the seven, eight years that that vehicle loans are approaching now here. so that reputation for quality and dependability is crucial for subaru. >> this is the chart that i love. look at the comparison of japanese automakers. and remember the parent of
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subaru is fuji though changing the name of the company to subaru. over the last three years outperformed toyota, nissan, honda, that's the story behind their success not only here in the u.s. but asia as well. they build the legacy and outback here. that's what's rolling off the line. and coming this fall they're going to be adding the impreza, back to you. >> very cool stuff. phil lebeau with subaru. a big bullish bet on motor homes that's not a bet on a motor home stock. give you that, plus other big calls you need to know about in street talk. and later on, could the fed be killing one of the market's hottest trades right now? our trading nation team will weigh in when "power lunch" returns.
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all right. time for street talk. our daily dive into the key wall street -- are you ready? >> yes. >> let's do it. first stock is cree. ubs says you need to sell this company. downgrade from a sell to neutral after missing guidance. simple call, they see more risk to earnings in part because of pricing pressure in the l.e.d. lighting segment. the analyst blames china because
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china, this is interesting, has been buying a lot of some kind of metal dioxide tool, acronym, which he says increase market thus down. he cuts the price target to 21 from 24.50. about another 15% down on a stock that's been smacked around today. >> at first analyst doesn't sound that optimistic when you read through the note. says sales need to be sinking through a hole but then the bullish comes out that said it should come back in 2017 and cold weather should help and there should be stabilization in the northeast and great lakes and the company plans to ramp spending on customer service. >> roanoke, virginia is fine. another upgrade for this gene therapy company. this time wells fargo upgrades from market perform, high line optimism among clinical experts on the outlook for gene therapy
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candidates called abxs 101. up from 30 to 32. stock was above that. so 30% more upside. second upgrade in the past few days. >> more than double. >> jeffrey upgraded stock on the 12th. even with that double in a year they see more upside. >> as you recall, the good stock in yesterday's good, bad, ugly. raised to 140 from 111. there is a better opportunity to accelerate to the double-digit earnings growth rate. >> and your smaller capital under the radar, make is patrick corporation. elkhart, indiana, parts maker for rvs. parts is parts. quote that old commercial. anybody remember that one? >> month. >> like wendy's.
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parts is parts. stock is up 36%. but cl king sees more. analyst raises raising to buy from neutral. notes a strong performance in rv sales. and adding recent pull back from 70 to where it is now. now at 60 when i found the stock. creates that attractive entry point. stocks up 6.5% today. but $71 target. more upside on this stock which is just an $11 stock three years ago when people thought nobody would ever buy a motorhome again. >> parts is parts. >> parts is parts. patrick corporation, your stock of the day. up 6%. street talk out. in this era of ultra low interest rates, the buy the dif dent stock trade and let it ride really has been a no-brainer. also a money-maker. with the release of the money minutes is fed keeping the dividend trade alive or sending it out to pastor. tim seymore.
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tim, i know it was dovish. maybe hawk, who knows. >> no matter what the feds will do, this is a path to normalizing. this is relative to their own value though. so things that have gotten overly blown out, clorox, kelloggs, general mills, unless interest rates are going to move 150 to 200 basis points quickly, i actually think the flow will maintain some relative performance here. i think utilities actually are really always valued on their own dividend yield and it is relative to themselves. i think utilities are probably, you know, very interesting here, if you look at the trade all wait back down to 4950. that's an important level. so no, i don't think the fed has taken the dividend trade out of market. >> did you know that the path title was the original for the stairway to heaven? that's not true.
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>> and all that glitters is gold. >> yeah. she's not making it to heaven. is this alive and well or is it over? >> i think is alive and well whaep i would say is i think what we have seen off the last six weeks isn't this change. it went from probability of 30% to be raising 25 basis points to around 50% now. that's not a huge move. what i really think you saw over last six weeks was a shift to risk on from the more -- the utility sector at the telecom sector, consumer staples sector for just the yield. we saw investors moving into technolo technology. moving into emerging markets, emerging market bonds. i think some of the rotation we saw with this underperformance in utilities and telecom was retags to more risk on type of environment. what i would say we are seeing now is utilities is more balanced flow. to tim's point we aren't seeing a max exodus here. >> they obviously don't think it is over.
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teeing up a full week of coverage for us leading up to next week's jackson hole, because they gave us enough to chew on for at least three days. i thought the minutes were confusing and we will look for clarity from mrs. yellen next week. >> this makes it very interesting. >> yes. >> speaking of confusing, the situation in brazil with ryan lochte. was he pulled over by someone posing as a police officer and held a gun to his head. there is skepticism in brazil because it is not uncommon for people to pretend to be police to rip you off or sometimes for the police to rip you off in
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brazil. >> my check is far less interesting. jc penney has done well but the best performing retail stock has been little old stein mart. >> is that a grocery store? >> no, women's apparel based in jacksonville, florida, 108-year-old company, up, congrats to stein mart for being the top retailer the past three months. >> they sell boho tops there? >> i bet they do. >> it is fascinating. you guys were feigning ignorance of what a boho top is. you know what we found? a picture of you guys in boho tops. just unbelievable. >> oh, i like that. >> you're like, oh, boho --? case you don't know. >> i have hair on my chest. >> who spray tanned me. someone spray tanned me there. >> i've got the magnum pi coming out of there. put that back up. >> we need to apologize to all of you out there eating lunch.
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you can't unsee certain things. >> that's what you said when you meant i can't unsee that. >> i would not tell you. >> all right, folks. >> on that note -- >> thanks for watching power lunch. >> "closing bell" without a boho top right now. >> hi, everybody. welcome to "closing bell." i'm kelly evans at new york stock exchange. >> little early for happy hour, isn't it? >> i'm bill griffeth. wide swings, although not that wide, since the july meeting, showing some officials believe that a rate hike may soon be needed but most members agree that more economic data are needed before making -- alert the media. >> haven't we heard this? >> yes. disappointing sales from target and lowe's this morning

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