tv Squawk on the Street CNBC October 13, 2017 9:00am-11:00am EDT
fishery in alaska. i'm pretty confident that hurricane sandy which hit the east coast didn't affect a fishery in alaska. what i urge then and just about an awful lot of republicans voted the same way, we said, look, let's actually have a relief bill that is targeted to the victims of the hurricane i think we should do the same thing for harvey and irma and maria. >> i'm glad you explained that. >> you knew most of that, knew about the fishery and republicans had a philosophical disagreement. >> i think if you read the headlines, people didn't know the history. >> thank you, senator. >> and thanks, senator make sure you join us on monday "squawk on the street" is next ♪ good friday morning, welcome to "squawk on the street" i'm
carl quintanilla with jim cramer a solid open as we watch more good bank earnings and consumer inflation that is a touch cool 10-year core cpi runs 1.7 year on year. wells fargo with earnings, does it point to a strong season of corporate results? tech policy head winds, the fang stocks are set to open higher. amazon and alphabet above the 1,000 mark and 21st century fox down in the premarket following the drag from comcast and direct v owner at&t bank of america better than expected as improved lending activity and higher rates offset weaker trading revenue and wells beats on the bottom line but revenues miss and that stock is lower as we watch efficiency ratios. >> wfc, wells does a pretty good job of not talking about the issues that beset wells fargo.
i will say in their defense, there was not a decline in average deposits, up 4%. people are not fleeing wells fargo. bank of america has become the bank that i always thought it would be, the consistent bank where you can put a price to earnings -- i was been waiting for $2 in earnings power i see it happening if we get four rate hikes because that's adds more than 3 billion to it this is a stock -- the banks want to go down right now because they ran up -- give me a break. people will circle back to these. bank of america was really supexsu superb i felt citi was good because they had a credit card issue but i thought it was a little bit worse than what they said not that long ago. they are making money on it. jp morgan was terrific bank of america is best in show but the problem is people just say, they will not be saying eh when we get fed rate hikes
because you can take numbers up. if you want to sell a bank possible $2 in earnings power and should easily sell with a 17 multiple, go ahead and sell it you don't know what you're doing. this bank by the way is technologically superior to all other banks. i would go so far to say it's the millennial bank. >> bank of america >> because their handheld, cell phone technology is great and people love it and they have a venmo of their own the transaction numbers on the mobile are rather extraordinary. very, very good release they put out which shows how much ahead they are of everybody else i really like the bank of america. >> it is the best profit in six years, loans up six, not quite the seven out of jpm and trading was a slight beat down 15. >> what i like is there is -- i don't have to worry about the so-called fix, fixed income. what brian moynahan has done, what i regard as responsible
bank and responsible lending responsible in terms of what it's doing societal. this -- i mean, i know we've been trying to figure out what the millennials really want. they want their cell phone to be able to make really easy banking. this is what they want bank of america is giving them what they want i think it does matter the numbers at bank of america are smooth i mean, it's just a smooth quarter, revenue rose 6% the global wealth management business is pristine and fabulous, total client balance is 2.7 trillion. and loans increased 8% for global wealth. they have a global wealth power house. yes, these stocks are going to go down because there is something going on where people say they are up too much, but they will circle back because when you get that fed rate hike in december, i can raise numbers for everyone. >> the cfo did say we're not seeing consumer weakness. >> not at all.
>> you mentioned the credit card issue at citi. some losses are rising faster than expected and chargeoffs approaching 5. when does that become a worry? >> i think what city does was basically say, look, we'll take that charge jooff in order to me the incredible money off of cards. they decided we've got to be the credit card company, costco business helped them, visa and i go back to bank of america, if you look at the release, what you see is that not forming assets declined 1.9 billion, driven by credit quality improving loan sales there are fabulous numbers in their deck that make me feel like bank of america has become this sleep at night bank they've really figure out how to give you consistent earnings power without the up or down of trading. so bank of america is the one that's going to get a higher multiple right now i really want to caution people.
stop looking at the stocks going down and therefore thinking the companies are doing badly. start thinking that the stocks ran a great deal, there's profit taking and people will circle back to them. >> at wells, auto originations and mortgage originations are not going to the moon. >> they want to cut back from auto because of chargeoffs i know wells stock will be down but there could have been an exodus of customers from wells because of what they did and i will say emphatically that did not occur. they are sticking this year. if you have an account with wells you still have an account with wells is it growing way i wanted no. >> there might new customers that ended up nothing opening an account. >> exactly but the customer account -- my hat is off to them people like to bank at wells that's why what's so tragic, they didn't need to cross sell but they wanted the stock price
higher but when i look at this, i say to myself, guys, why did you do it why did someone let this happen? holy cow why did they let that carry run roughshod over everybody because geez, the people loved wells fargo. i loved wells fargo. i was -- i had a wells fargo client -- when i met with john he did try but that was his job. they didn't need to do it. that's really -- it's kind of like in football, you know, you didn't need to hit the quarterback. you were doing well. you just got -- >> and there's the flag. >> there's the flag. >> i'm throwing -- you know, wells had unnecessary roughness to its clients and yet people are still going to the stadium. >> jim, let's switch to fang this morning tech stocks are going to open
higher you have amazon and alphabet back above the 1,000 and netflix gets an upbeat number from goldman about subscriber numbers despite the head winds facing big tech tech giants seen as saviors viewed as threats on page one and another one, in the review section, silicon valley is not your friend. >> why are prices violating the overall social narrative here? >> i think that in the end when you speak to the forward -- most forward ceos when it comes to advertising and i'm going to use ben adoor who is a brilliant man at clorox. you have to be at the point of purchase the point of purchase for millennial is google and it's going to be amazon so what -- what he's saying the point of purchase is no longer at walgreens it got advertised but if you really want the person who is going to buy something right then, you have know choice
it's facebook and it's going to be amazon. and the senators, they can do whatever they want but the fact is when you go to the what would virginia wolf do blog that my wife starts every day, they have an oil of olay ad because that' where it should be i think people don't understand unless you're like -- that's adults snap has that market for teenagers but they don't have any money. i mean, if you want to know where the money -- instagram you can rebrand yourself and facebook because you have these group blogs and the ads are targtded to the group. amazon, you always -- how the hell did they know i was going to the thing amazon has tremendous artificial intelligence did the russians -- maybe the russians, did they infiltrate these things i just have to tell you that you can have all of the hearings you want in the end, what does it have to say with the price earnings
ratio of alphabet? >> speaking of netflix by the way, this week we've gotten price target hikes from goldman, jpm and goldman goes to 235. >> citi did it too they want to be in ahead of the quarter, much faster growth than expected everybody likes the price increase and the fact that the price increase is going to stick. contrast that with costco where on the conference call they did say the millennials do not necessarily renew at the same rate the 52-year-old cohort does i like the company costco and shop there although my wife took the tie and threw it out when i got home the thing that really matters is that no one is going to cancel netflix because they raise the price. they are not they are not going to cancel amazon prime and spotify i got my apple bill -- i didn't click on it. hell with it. >> just pay whatever --
>> nfl.com -- >> terms of service. >> i agree with that what am i going to do? i take so many pictures, i need that cloud thing they should charge me more. >> we should mention roy price has been suspended after allegations much harassment as hollywood is in true turmoil now. >> that was -- that news important. you know, the man in the high castle was the film that put them on the map as the place to be able to be a binger, that was a binge programming, usually people who aren't that key there's some people who really have not distinguished themselves of late in when it comes to being a human being. >> we'll watch what all that means. switching from fang to old media. we talked about the downgrades yesterday, at&t filing and pressure on our own parent company and fox under additional pressure.
>> look, the att was bad the cord cut -- i have nothing to say other than the fact that -- you know, i know probably people say i'm going to say genx this time but there are two tracks of behavior the behavior that says i've got a smart tv as more smart tvs are sold, those people are not necessarily signing up and then there's the old school behavior and that again, really -- i don't want to harp too much back to the costco call but their hands were forced. 52-year-old is doing something different from the 26-year-old and we all got to start thinking about the 26-year-old and where that person -- what that person does nice note today about gaming from piper they love gaming i was with pat doyle last night domino's i don't know why they sell the stock down they like pizza, they like beer. you know, weird al yank vick
when he said no more -- i was say grapefruit diet, no more pizza and beer he was completely wrong. couldn't have been more wrong about the millennials. >> when we come back we'll talk about fox and why shares are taking a hit and sara ooisen's exclusive with stanley fischer let's look at the premarket. more "squawk on the street" continuefr n ia nu s omycn mite say carl, we have a question about your brokerage fees. fees? what did you have in mind? i don't know. $4.95 per trade? uhhh and i was wondering if your brokerage offers some sort of guarantee? guarantee? where we can get our fees and commissions back if we're not happy. so can you offer me what schwab is offering? what's with all the questions? ask your broker if they're offering $4.95 online equity trades and a satisfaction guarantee. if you don't like their answer, ask again at schwab.
>> 21st century fox class b shares are down in the premarket. ctw advising several union funds invested in fox is calling on the company so overhaul the board and the work culture in wake of the scandals at fox news it's combined with the overall weakness today. >> when i look at this there's a couple of issues, one is with the audit company. should it have been -- was this a material aspect now, of course the investigation was down by paul weiss and i would have said that paul weiss would have said absolutely if it's material, they would have told them i'm not so sure about that one and a pretty serious guy, hea heavyweight being the chairman of the board's nominating corporate governance committee
it was only a matter of time before someone said what is going on with this board that they let this happen they talk about roderick edding eddington, saying he failed in risk oversight responsibilities and that is the type of thing the sec doesn't like to see. i don't know if they will take the cue for this but this isn't going to go away fast. in the end, we would maybe overlook it if people were tuning in more i don't know i spent a lot of time thinking about this because i was watching tony romo doing an excellent job. does seem to know everything it's going to happen beforehand. i feel like people have too many other things to do. >> then what >> then watch tv. >> then watch tv in general. they have a box and would rather do call of duty. they have a fantastic tablet and would rather binge because the quality is so good and football
is one particular thing. a lot of people watch it in places you can't really record -- get a sense of it. football is on every night. >> i watched the game last night, congratulations by the way. >> thank you. >> on an ipad. >> that's what i mean. i watched with my fantasy and know there's a product coming out you can watch fantasy at the same time. but there is just an over -- there's an overload of what we do and i think that football, the play is sometimes not as good, cba seems to have hurt them look, i think nobody wants to get hurt anymore, which is good. and the product is on too often but it's still a great place domino's told me last night they still love to advertise -- still brings in the customers. but i do -- i have to say there's just too many alternatives and too many fabulous devices that make it so that you -- tim cook, i know -- i have to say tim cook invented things that made it so that we have changed our -- what we do
the form factor is so good we took the tv out -- take the tv out of the bedroom. tv out of the living room. and i had to fight to get my tv hooked up because my kids said, why? why hook it up, dad? because i work for comcast. >> the battle moved on. >> yeah, it did. >> one of the things that's going to happen. dominos is going to offer a alexa, and get me a sixpack. >> facebook launching in a food ordering business. >> i see grubhub down and i think these companies are -- i think that the newspapers may think that they are our enemy, but i think most people feel they are our friends they are our friend because that -- i get -- i'm very lucky and mosquito -- well known figure people take their picture with
me and what do they do they post it it's for instagram i held an event for the street.com where in bar san miguel, nobody wanted to talk me, just wanted a picture. my daughter is rebranding herself across the country with this tent. it's not the four seasons. it's tenting tonight people use it to brand themselves we want to be someone else. >> it's funny, i was talking to somebody yesterday who spoke to a college class and asked the students if you hear in the hallway there's been some monumentous piece of news, where do you go to first instagram for a lot of kids, it was instagram. >> absolutely. >> and last -- this morning, i have a picture of fletcher cox, such a beast last night with me and i couldn't put my arm around him because he's too big do i put it or not post it by the time i -- this is what people think about it is incredible they want their own -- they create their own entertainment and then alphabet makes money
off of it and facebook twitter hasn't been able to monetize like i like i always ask, what do are you doing? she's on facebook because she's older and kids are all on instagram and looking at ads and ordering things because that's the point. where they are ready to order. i mean, i didn't have my binoculars this week, can't find them i go home and said zis has good binoculars, go on amazon, six pairs, anything involving binoculars, anything, i mean how smart are they i'm like, i like that. >> he's a bird watcher. >> there's so many -- what's target jc -- sears, one of the things sears did, home depot when stock went down because amazon tired with sears, you have to tie up with places people go to
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you have to respect everyone in the navy there's so many people at goldman sachs would worked in the navy and boy did they ever know what they are doing. >> be looking forward to watching them ring the bell in a few moments. let's get cramer's mad dash. >> there's a barclay's piece, i like the title of it and refer to it, mary to elon, give me my market cap back. so far ahead of everybody including ford they downgraded ford and saying they are well behind gm, go early and big strategy and offers optionalty and option value. this is -- i love all of the different words they are using gm, more of an evolving mammal than a dying dinosaur. so the valuation should be up. gm stock has been rerated and rerated but a lot of it has to do with the fact that people think gm has an edge on tesla. and that maybe we ought to come back to earth on tesla tesla is a cold stock. we're still on -- whenever
you're with anybody, there's a tesla. enough already but this piece does say that this move -- it justifies this move and does justify how poorly ford stock is. ford really got left behind and i can understand that there is a world of difference between ford -- >> it's amazing how quickly that story changed. we'll get the opening bell in a few moments. n'gowa dot ay. question. what is an answer dot ay. and how can you measure the value of one? today trusted answers from trusted sources are rare and precious commodities. they're out there but finding them on your own has never been harder. it's why at thomson reuters we provide you with the intelligence, technology, and human expertise you need
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stock note deutsche bank, boeing. boeing best stock in the dow that could put the kibosh -- not the money side, don't mean to impact -- >> we'll see what the president says later on today. there's the opening bell at the big board. it is the united states navy, celebrating its 242nd birthday at the nasdaq celebrating its ipo ortho pediatrics corp, featuring products for children. the banks will lead the charge again here, jim. >> and pnc will report -- people love that. it's a fang day. i know that it must really wrangle people that every day the press is so bad on facebook on alphabet, what they know about you.
but that's just congress speaking it's a lot easier to trash these companies than it is to pass legislation. and i think that you're really fighting history if you want to fight these guys these are the smartest guys and best people that we have in the world. they work at these places. you are -- whenever you meet someone who works at these firms, they are always kind of blown away, you're saying, okay, look, they have the cream of the crop they really have it. and they've developed products like this facebook order and made it so that we've changed our lives. yes, do they -- are they our foe? that's the media i didn't say fake media because i work for these institutions. >> we sort of do here's page one of the "new york times," changing the world but not quite the way they imagined, arguing that the companies are under pressure for creating problems rather than solving them as we've tended to think about them. >> well, i think that they've grown fast everybody has to be more
responsible than they are. it really -- we have bank of america emphasized over and over again responsible lending. all of these companies need a responsibility officer i know that sounds like that should be the ceo but someone has to be challenging them in the board room, saying are we aware that this is being misused? we are we aware we're doing this? their overall power is not unlike what we saw with microsoft at the turn of the century. they were too powerful and it got to the justice department which you never want i think that google is very smart. they start the billion dollar job initiative those are the things that you do to ward off the regulators justice do that. don't just go to stan ford and hire the top 10% hire the rest of us. that's what they have to do. they have to be more responsible about trying to go and getting people to get jobs who would not normally -- amazon does it they put -- you may not want to work pore amazon, but they
create a of jobs but also wipe out a lot of jobs but create them. >> health care will take it on the chin as the white house says they will not make the subsidy payments on october 18th we had the executive orders yesterday that loosen the rules on plans that don't comply. >> done such a great job with current system, the system that we had before this executive order, really figuring out how to get paid. this was breath taking i think that there are a lot of people who felt this somehow had to be congressional. we didn't realize -- >> might still be, we don't know. >> but the fact is all of the companies we're seeing going down are companies that had benefited from the regime and from not being able to repeal and replace and there are a lot of faves in that group, united health big dow stock, i liked it forever and ultimately what you have to say to yourself is that the president will not do what he says and that's a very rough call because this president is
very emphatic and he did it so fast i mean, this is what we all feared if we own these stocks and it happened. it just happened i want to see the plans -- the devil is not in the details this time just the president i think a lot of people said, geez, i thought that involved a 535 other people, but no it was unilateral. and it was really kind of took your breath away. >> we'll keep our eye on health care names hp which had guidance last night, up almost 5%. >> i think that that was a remarkable quarter they are really coming very, very strongly for 3 d, we though it was a hobbiest thing but they are doing 3-d, amazing way to frankly to make a lot of things, whether it be tapestry, i don't mean coach metal production
i think that was something by the way that ar conic was doing when clause kleinfeld was there. this is a real initiative. meanwhile, dionne is doing a remarkable job so remarkable, i think i'll put him on mad money tonight. >> i have a feeling you will. >> i like that company very much when it was at 1214, i had a crisis in confidenceand beat each other up. listen, jim, we're doing all of the things you want, we're returning cash flow and buying back stock and have a great dividend and won me over and i'm glad they did. because boy they have exciting products. >> jim, netflix cracks 200 ahead of earnings on monday. this goldman price target boost to 235. >> can you believe -- when they did that announcement of the price increase, it just changed the whole story because the big
bear case was that it wasn't right that reed hastings bragged about enormous negative cash flow is success. because he was almost playing a little game with us. but netflix is -- netflix should have been bought by somebody else when they had a chance just like spotify, it's too late. the guys that run spotify are from netflix. >> is that so? >> yeah. >> blockbuster had a chance to buy a big chunk a long time ago. >> netflix, what can i say, they are sticky you get the bill that's just what people -- it's integrated into society and that's a remarkable thing that somebody got integrated that fast, versus when we used to do the disks in the mail and our queue. this is a commonalty, i'm on episode nine, will not spoil anything -- >> of. >> of narcos 3
i'm thinking this program, is there a country this program would not be loved and it certainly would be much more loved in spanish kupcountr because the show is spanish. i hated movies with title. this is almost all titles except for pena a cross between burt reynolds and david favor pena, i wants to be pena -- >> and stranger things on october 27th. >> is that going to be great watch with your family is there anything more fun to watch with your family than stranger things. i'm watching different football and this is us, all of these cbs, csi summit, whatever, but in the end, what do i fight over with my wife?vietnam, which is not -- it's pbs or do we watch -- do we finish narcos we're not talking about the other programs and we're doing these in part because we feel
young. we almost feel like millennials. it's good. >> that's priceless is what it is. >> we feel like millennials. they are so great, to be a millennial again. >> jim, you just tweeted a picture of nvidia. >> it's time i had to wake up nvidia, nvidia was sleeping. >> where are we now? on nvidia and bit coin today. >> nvidia i think will end up finishing down because they keep trying to push -- a lot of sellers at the 192 level but the note was very good 250 price target data center and how they have a superior data center product which is really true the data centers are about heat. that's it. i mean you go in these things they are huge heat generators and electric generators and the new data center products use much less energy they are going to win. but it is rather amazing that everybody is tripping over
themselves including my dog to have a price increase. >> wells now down 4%, jim. >> you know, there's -- there's just something about when you commit fraud that it's just not a winner. >> is it that? is this a cost issue >> it's a compliance issue they got away -- they didn't get in trouble before. they have a lot of explaining to do and the stock was going up with the rest of the stocks, got a discount and i -- my charitable trust manager get out of this thing. didn't get out of ge i look at ge every day and as i said -- >> never felt dumber is what you said earlier this week. >> than the fifth grade where my father said -- basically said i was a disgrace. >> ge is close to 23 and is now -- it's waiting on the dow is .7, weighting on the dow
now -- >> really, if nvidia were in the dow, it would be bigger? >> almost assuredly, yes >> well, i've got to get a rescue dog and just -- that is ge i'm going to save a dog this weekend. i'm going to go right to the shelter and get some mangy old dog and fix it up and give it some shots >> jim, we mentioned gm earlier this morning tesla is recalling these 11,000 model x suvs. >> only going to be up two. >> it's not down. >> a recall of all of their cars might drive the stock up to 400. it has nothing to do with anything it's elon musk, you're buying musk let me buy some musk musk used to be a men's cologne. the stock has nothing to do with the company. it has to do with love it's shake peer yan.
aren't that funny but they end well this ends well every day. >> but the nature of it has never really -- you're not willing to short that? >> no, it's a fabulous cult. it is the greatest cult stock in history frankly. here you've got the chevy electric car and it's like, are you kidding me bmw has an electric car that i rode in and i'm saying, wow, if bmw had a stock, maybe it could be like tesla. >> wow. >> i mean -- >> it's a weird day, transports doing well again they make me feel so warm and fuzzy but some stocks just have a predie leks to go down retail is not down yet what's going on? >> it's being superseded today clearly by health care, unh is the worst stock. >> this was a great company. this was breath taking what the president did, he changed everything i would like to see what the coverage is but this was a stroke of you can say brilliance
or -- you know, he just took it by the horns. >> you know who knows a lot about this is bertha coombs and we'll go to her -- no, berth that is at the floor hey, bertha. >> we'll get to health care in a minu minute let's start off with financials which have been one of the laggards this week bank of america, pnc, wells farg gorks all reporting this morning overall banks earnings have been solid thanks to stronger lending and higher interest rates and wells a big drag, that mixed quarter and all of the issues that jim has outlined. banks are up 6% over the last month but seeing profit taking today. take a look for the week financials are down 1% for the week dragged down by insurers in particular who are facing big losses between the hurricanes and fires in california. the hurricanes were actually a bright spot a silver lining when it came to retail sales, they
rose sharply in september boosted by home improvement spending and higher gas prices even as we saw a fifth straight month of decline when it came to electronic sales we've seen retail softness overall this week. the worst performing sector out there down about 4% for the week, among the big losers j.c. penney, j jill, set to open at all time lows and you're seeing them bounce just a bit after hitting those overall -- could be some folks thinking maybe we're bottoming a little bit there and they've been beaten up enough then i would like to talk about the health care. specifically take a look at the players that are in the obamacare market united health, pretty much out of there the trump administration announcing it's going to immediately stop billions of dollars in those subsidies that's going to hit the anthems still in there and are planning
to be in there for next year it's going to hit them short term in the fourth quarter with those stopping we'll likely see a number of lawsuits we've already heard from the attorney general of california, the attorney general of new york saying they will be soon to stop this and get an injunction against the administration but they've already priced it in as far as the insurers that are locked in to be on the exchanges for 2018 the issue is how all of these changes are going to impact their willingness to be on the exchanges when it comes to 2019 and to be in the individual market that's a longer term impact. and for hospitals, the impact overall is even more negative according to analysts because you're talking about not just the csrs ending, those are the subsidies but fact we'll likely see a lot less enrollment because the trump administration has cut back when it comes to the time for enrollment and support of enrollment, you know, advertising and other support
efforts. carl >> really quickly, bertha, would you describe this -- the president's moves over the last 24 hours as taking a sledge hammer to the aca or more of a scalpel? >> it's a scalpel but it's going to cut deep longer term as you continue to have uncertainty as to how this is all going to wind and where the impact is going to be it's going to take months for that eo to go into effect but we're 20 days ahead of open enrollment it starts november 1st how are people going to think about whether they want to sign up for plans if they think they are not going to be able to pay them down the line >> yeah. >> bertha, thanks for that insight. it's a tough story to get your arms around sometimes. >> boy is it ever. and the idea of trying to model what we thought -- a lot of companies we modeled -- senteen, they played this so well and now
i don't know these stocks until you find out they are going to sell the banks because they've decided that the banks have peaked, which i think is wrong they are going to sell the health cares and that's going to end up being wrong too but we don't know which ones will be in the new world. maybe all of this is posturing and congress says you can't do it but maybe someone takes it to the supreme court. i don't know it's radical. >> maybe he's serious when he talks about reaching across the aisle with schumer on a broader fix. >> it is radical and the most radical thing he has done as president. i think that people are really kind of blindsided by this it's kind of miraculous. i don't know anyone -- i don't know anyone -- anyone who thought this was going to happen not a soul and that's really important. i don't know -- when it happened i think people were like, no, that's not happening these stocks are going to be down much more you can't model it, guys >> it's not like the threat to
cut off subsidies wasn't there that had been talked about -- >> but you wake up and he made this statement and it's like the stocks didn't react at all it was like nothing had happened and then you come in today and people are like putting pencil to paper, i don't know if i can be in these stocks and what it means. i think he'll come up with a way to be able to deal with this and that stock goes down ten points, you want to buy it all of the money -- it's rather amazing, every time you have a group that people flee from, they go back to fang it's almost like -- they used to go back to general mills they used to go back to kellogg and coca-cola. they don't go back to those anymore. they go -- >> although p&g is having a good day relatively speaking. >> p&g, i know mr. peltz feels it's really incredible difficult to unseat because of all of the different 401(k) tieups and stuff, but they are going to
procter, very true but going to netflix as if netflix recommendation rca those who studied 1928 to 1929, it was the radio corporation of america that led us. that was our bull market stock and here's rca, netflix is rca and reid hastings is general sarnoff. let's get to rick santelli. >> what a difference one number can make listen, we're talking the difference between a 10-year note, 2.33 before the inflation data and 2.38 afterwards keep in mind last week we failed to get closer to unchange on the air and failed to get above 2.40 on a closing basis when we look where we settle for 2015, 2.27 look at interday of twos, you can see what happened at 8:30 eastern. there were aspects of cpi that
were a little hot but the x food and energy and post hurricanes and all of the issues that put question marks in our minds with yesterday's cpi didn't materialize and the market was brisk. look at the interday of tens we're up on day before that number now we're down four on day down eight on the week look at the one week chart of 10s. what did really happen here with regard to the rest of the marketplace? 10s meinus 2s. if the inflation data in and of itself was more of an economic indicator, i would think you would see the moment on tens but the movement on the twos was just as aggressive the curve flattened and that flattening means there's more fed focus on this than economic focus. there is a bit of a difference on that. look at a one week of boons, this is also fascinating they reacted at the bottom of important range and separation
of tens and boons is 1.90. one week dollar, dollar took it hard dollar is technically starting to soften up even more we want to keep an eye on all that is europe, even indirect influences like brexit hey, at 11:30 eastern you want to be tuning in. i'm going to be swimming with the fish not in a godfather kind of way mr. wonderful, kevin o'leary, is going to join me on the floor. we'll have a little shark talk make sure you tune in to see it. jim and carl, back to you. >> all right rick, thank you very much. when we return, stanley fisher wrapping up his tenure as vice chairman of the fed. sara eisen will have that interview later on this morning. dow is up 36 points. unh is the big laggard on the 30 we're back in a minute is the monolithic view of emerging markets obsolete?
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back in time a long time i'm going to have to go back to the very beginning of my database here, it looks like last time we had a triple digit handle on university of michigan was in the year 2000 november when it was 107.6. this is really, really big time. now, let's look at one year inflation, shall we? considering we did not see the hot, hot, hot cpi following a hot ppi. 2.3 on one-year outlook. 2.4 on the five to ten-year outlook. both of those are less as a matter of fact, on the one-year, that was 2.7 on our final read last month. now, 2.3 and the 2.5 to 2.4 that's really important. remember, this is preliminary. it can change. but it is a monster of a number. carl, back to you. >> unbelievable, rick. thank you very much for that rick santelli. good friday morning. welcome back to "squawk on the street." i have mike of the new york stock exchange david is off today
sara eisen is with us today. a big interview from sara coming up shortly in the meantime, markets trying to hang in there some pain in insurers, although fang once again having a good day. >> our road map today starts with more big banks report bank of america and wells fargo opening their books this morning. we'll bring you the numbers and analysis straight ahead. >> new details coming to light the president is expected to address the iran nuclear deal today. plus, bitcoin surging to now record high. surpassing two big banks in market value we'll tell you which ones and why straight ahead let's get to sara at the imf fall meetings on a very busy week hey, sara. >> good morning, carl. one major hot button topic central bank next steps. we're at an inflection point yesterday, we talked about ra rare -- for the first time in years, but with that, it means
it's time for central banks to pick up efforts to get out of emergency crisis mode policy, a decade since the financial crisis that could be risky business ecp president saying here in washington his qe asset purchases will continue until inflation improves, and interest rates will remain super low. it raises questions about whether they're missing a moment in this recovery to tighten policy in the u.s., we're about to go down the experiment of shrinking the balance sheet while raising interest rates amid a recovery and this debate about low inflation. we saw that in the numbers this morning. so besides the policy path, there's also this question out there as to who will be pulling the trigger. janet yellen's term in february. everybody is buzzing about who president trump might pick former treasury secretary larry summers shared his pick with us for the first time listen >> i think it's not a good idea to make a change unless you have a compelling reason.
and there's certainly no compelling reason not to reappoint janet yellen she and i have had some differences on policy, but overall, i think she's done an excellent job. she's been a consistent, steady leader of the fed, who is trusted and will be a safe pair of hands if some kind of financial crisis takes place >> unclear whether the trump administration will agree. summers doesn't usually agree with the trump administration. but that was his first time explicitly backing yellen. we have the right guest on this topic, leadership of the federal reserve, what comes next in this wave of global central bank policy you'll hear from the vice chairman of the federal reserve, stanley fischer, a key yellen ally stepping down for personal reasons this weekend speaking to us here in this final interview on the federal reserve. that will be later this hour that question of where we are in
this economic cycle and what it means for central banks is front and center at these meetings >> we can't wait for that, sara. we'll come back to you for that. sara eisen at the imf fall meeting. >> big banks, two more opening their books. bank of america and wells farco had earnings we have been listening in, and the wells call is just now getting under way. >> let's start with wells fargo siz it's the big mover the efficiency ratio remained elevated at 61%. lower is better for that number, and it was a rise, more due to a revenue miss without the associated fall in expenses this quarter rather than an outright spike in costs the number higher than they would want the bank also took a one-time litigation expense for mortgage regulatory investigations of $1 billion. the timing of this taking some by surprise. it feels like an anticipation of
settling with the doj, which they haven't done yet, and an example of the ceo trying to tighten up issues. bapg of america results were solid across the board their expenses were in fact the lowest they have been since merrill lynch was acquired eight years ago. the important 2018 $53 billion total expense target was reiterated while shell's shares fell 1.4% yesterday in light of elevated credit costs for jp morgan and citi, bac's credit cards exceeded expectations. on cards, while they did build reserves, they did so by less, $200 million but this is a trend that will important to watch in coming quarters for the sector as a hole credit for wells fargo was also very good. back to bank of america. amazing stats for their digital payment solution zel they processed $4 billion in payments this quarter, up 68% year on year which is roughly 50% more this
quarter than venmo finally, on the earnings call, the thing that had been weighing on bank of america's share price was comments on deposit pricing. not getting the boosted margins from rate hikes in june as they expected and having to pay out for deposits in the last five minutes, bank of america has jumped about a percent and a half but the wells fargo call starts in just about an hour. >> the curse of live television. hard to listen to the call when you're telling our viewers we'll come back to you for more on the banks, let's bring in david long, david george, david long, you had an underperform on wells on some expected headline risk is the punishing today in line with your expectation? >> absolutely. and thanks for having me on your show looking at wells' numbers today's, the net interest margin came in lower than expected. loan growth and deposit growth were worse than expected, and
all that leads to is the outlook for earnings as likely to be negative here, so there's, i think we have a negative bias on the outlook for earnings per share for wells after the quarter. i think that's going to continue to keep pressure on the stock right now. >> on the three legs of the stool here, when you're looking at rates, costs, loan growth, is cost a true concern given what the efficiency ratio told us >> absolutely. and wells actually on the operating expense number did not have a bad quarter when you exclude the mortgage charge, but the revenue side of the equation remains weak and below expectation. you look at their peers, jp morgan, citi, they're growing revenue year after year. wells is not they were growing revenue, and in order to get the efficiency ratio to move higher, you need to see the revenue side move higher >> david george, give us your assessment of b of a right here. it seems one of the big four
that is actually bucked the trend on the stock selling off immediately upon the report of the earnings >> yeah, i had to jump off the call, mike, to talk to you guys. i wasn't sure if there was anything that brian may have said, but b of a had a good quarter across the board, as you mentioned. loan growth was good, credit was good expenses are well behaved and they continue to do a good job returning capital to shareholders the b of a story remains intact and the stocks reflecting it this morning >> you say the story remains intact i guess the question a lot of bank investors might be asking right here is it seems like at these levels with the stocks having had this run, a few things have to go right. you have to have pretty good confidence in the economic cycle, credit is not going to get too bad and rates are going to help you out at some point. do you see the ingredients for much of another leg higher for this group, for the ones you cover, or are we at kind of wheree should be with these stocks >> we really don't see a lot of
upside for the banks at all. and it's really a function of the fact, first they're expensive. second, the yield curve is flattening third, credit cannot get any better fourth, loan growth continues to slow so we're of the view that the banks are pretty close to peak earnings and find the risk reward in the group to be pretty unattractive here. >> david long, can you put into some perspective for our viewers here what credit losses are really doing, and specifically at some of these private label cards, the comments we heard out of citi? >> absolutely. so credit costs remain very good, and we host a chief credit officer symposium back in may, and all indications there was that credit would be very good for the rest of this year. specifically on the card side, look, you know, we've had such good credit costs or low credit costs in credit kartds for so long, there's generally some normalization that has to happen dwling that's what we're seeing. as long as the employment rate
remains relatively low, more broadly, the expenses for losses and credit cards should be pretty manageable. >> david george, i guess you go along with that? this is more of a reversion to the mean than any, i guess, dangerous sign that we're heading into some sort of period where credit histories are tainted? >> yeah, i think that's right. i think that credit, there's no obvious signs of any excesses from a lending perspective if you think about the degree of regulation we've had post crisis, lending standards have been pretty conservative i think david is right i think we're talkingabout a normalization in credit more than anything else unfortunately, a normalization is going to have an earnings impact, and that is something we don't think is really reflected in consensus estimates for many of these companies here. >> well, we got a few of the big names out of the way this week of course, more to come as the earning season continues david long, david george, thanks so much.
>> thank you new details emerging this morning on the president's plan on the iran nuclear deal aman joins us from outside the white house with more. >> that's exact low right. we're going to hear from the president later on today, and we're also going to hear from senior administration officials, but for now, "the new york times" and other outlets are reporting some elements of what the president has decided here in terms of the decision that's been long awaited, whether he would certify or decertify the iran deal. according to "the new york times," the president is not going to certify the deal later on today that's going to pus the decision on new sanctions to congress remember, under the existing law, the president has to certify every 90 days whether iran is complying with this deal or not if not, it goes to congress and they can decide to impose new sanctions and get out of the iran deal. but the trump administration is reportedly not going to push for the united states to get out of the iran deal altogether instead, they'll ask congress to establish trigger points for
reimposing sanctions at some point in the future, but not right now. so the idea is, the president can decertify this deal but not actually get out of the deal and keep some of the benefits to the american side, including the ability to go over and inspect some of iran's facilities and the like, which the united states very much wants to keep so meanwhile, that's provoking some reaction from around the world, as you might expect, from the iranian side, we're already hearing some rhetoric this morning. senior iranian commander saying we are not a warmongering country, but any military action against iran will be regretted trump's threats against iran will damage america. we have buried many, like trump, and know how to fight against america. remember, the iranians there talking about possible military action against iran. that's not at all what the president is contemplating here. simply talking about decertifying the russians have put out a statement also, saying possible actions of the american side will have very, very negative consequences and the chinese have put out a statement of their own saying we believe the iran nuclear
agreement has played an important role in safeguarding the nuclear nonproliferation regime and safeguarding of stability in the middle east we'll see how the president frames this with his own rhetoric this afternoon. but it looks like the trump administration plans on walking a very fine line on a deal that the president has called one of the worst ever decertifying it under u.s. law, but not abandoning the agreement between the united states and iran guys back over to you >> we'll see where we get later on today thanks very much another firing over alleged sexual harassment. this time from the financial world. the journal is reporting that star fund manager gavin baker has been fired from fidelity for sexually harassing a junejure female employee. he strongly denies any allegations. he also maintains he left the company on his own they have not confirmed or denied if he was fired
fidelity says when allegations of these sorts arise, we investigate immediately and take prompt and appropriate action. gavin baker has been a guest of the show on the past >> his last official day on the job, stanley fischer getting ready to retire from that post he'll sit down exclusively with saraizen in a moment you don't want to miss it. "squawk on the street" on the 4heow will be back with t d up8. [vo] quickbooks introduces rodney. he has a new business teaching lessons. rodney wanted to know how his business was doing... ...so he got quickbooks. it organizes all his accounts, so he can see his bottom line.
down for the week. as you can see here to discuss some of the headwinds facing the sector, senior research analyst at pivotal research good to have you back. good morning >> good morning. thanks for having me >> journal puts this on page one and uses the at&t ak as the pivot point. is this really coming from sort of seasonal or hurricane related? are we back to talking about big structural changes in the way people watch content >> you know, there's a lot of legitimately bad news for the industry and i think, you know, i think the charter viacom used certainly sort of amplified a lot of the points. i think at&t's release of their subscriber numbers hammered this home but yeah, some of the headwinds impacting the industry, i think if you have an optimistic view on the ability side, then you're
being likely to be sorely disappointed and there are other problems yet to come. i don't think most of the investor community has an inappropriately negative view on advertising for tv i don't think most of the investor community has an appropriately negative view on margin pressure that content rights, sports rights in particular, are going to continue to have over a multi-year period. >> you can almost watch these kind of pools of investor money going from the old to the new. some days. but now we have these questions about facebook, about the durability of their business model and other kind of new media platforms that have been stealing market share from tv and elsewhere. netflix seems like the consensus default winner here. stock above $200 today do you see there to be a place to hide from those advertising trends and the structural cord cutting dynamic? >> yeah, there are because at the end of the day, marketers still have to market, if we're looking at it through that lens.
not withstanding that i have a cell rating on adobe, but you think about adobe and salesforce.com, sort of as illustrative of marketing technology there's plenty of room to run in the industry, put aside where the valuations are but the business models are incredibly sound the worst that facebook gets with respect to a measurement credibility, there's neal sn the reality is third party measurement has been made much more important than ever before. and yes, they face pressures as well for different reasons, but that's something to think about. but i think that a lot of the advertising supported in media related industries are facing long-term permanent secular challenges >> brian, how much is your sell on disney if that's what you still have, is about investments in going direct to consumer. we had other calls this week that suggested it would weigh on near term results, but the long
term payoff potentially could work out >> yeah, i mean, i haven't explicitly baked that into my price target or recommendation, although it's the sell rating in the 80s on the valuation the issue there, a lot of people aren't thinking about, let's remember when facebook was going to build $600 million for the rights to indian cricket, for digital only rights for five years, the equivalent in the u.s. would have been a $24 billion bid for nfl content, if you look at the relative size of the market. in a couple years' time, when the next rates packages start to come up, meaningful rights, would any of us be surprised if facebook would put that kind of bid on the table think about what that's going to do to pricing. this is going to be true for all sports as facebook and amazon and google are finally understanding that if they want to tap into tv budgets, they need tv grade content. they understand this now >> so for -- so for the old line rivals, is the solution going to be to meet those prices and
outbid or to say good-bye to the content and work on something else >> well, this is exactly a conundrum, right you face the declining revenues or lower margins pick your poison >> brian wieser, big, big existential questions for some media companies right now. please come back soon. we'll talk to you later. >> thanks for having me. >> when we come back, bitcoin soaring to new record highs, surpassing two big banks in market vueal we'll tell you which ones and why. "squawk on the street" will be right back ories are thinking. even your toaster is thinking. honey, clive owen's in our kitchen. i'm leaving. oh nevermind, he's leaving. but what if a business could turn all that thinking... thinking... endless thinking into doing. to make better decisions. make a difference. make the future. not next week while you think about it a little more. but right now. is there a company that can help you do all that? ( ♪ ) i can think of one.
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another record high. the market cap now tops $97 billion. that's larger than goldman sachs, morgan stanley, traders said the bitcoin rally was sparked by speculation china could reverse a recent ban they had put on crypto currency exchanges. it's up more than 480% year to date jamie dimond yesterday called it a fraud but said he wasn't going to talk about it anymore they had comments about it yesterday, and blankfein has, too as the large chiefs of
banking companies have to learn what it's about, essentially >> and balance the idea that the core technology about transferring money and being more efficient in the back end balanced against this idea of why does the kerracy have to go screaming higher in value? that's hard to reconcile in a lot of people's minds who don't necessarily see the innate connection between the two things block chain and bit coin being worth hundreds of dollars more every day. that doesn't necessarily make sense. >> howard marks had a note where he asked if is a story of value? is it an asset class, a currency is there a consensus behind that >> really not a consensus. you know, what's gold? gold, you can use it to fill your teeth, so it's a consumable it's also a value, and in a pinch, a currency. it can be kind of all of these hybrid things. i think a lot of people were mentioning more than four ounces of gold now is what bitcoin is worth. that might be the more relevant
comparison, comparable to market caps in financial institutions it's not worth cool to be worth four ounces of gold. >> at 57.50, people are drawing straight lines - >> worth keeping in mind, the rumor today that china might reverse, it's a matter of this market exists at the pleasure of the governments that allow it to exist for now. >> yes >> risk factor >> and regulators' willingness to tax or not tax. >> when we come back, federal reserve vice chairman stanley fischer is getting ready to retire from his post today is his last day on the job. he'll sit down with sara eisen in a moment. dow up 58 points we'll be right back.
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recipients will get a 2% increase in benefits next year it's the largest increase since 2012 but it comes only to $25 a month for the average beneficiary. the social security administration announcing the cost of living increase this morning. >> the death toll rising to 31 in the california wildfires. with hundreds still unaccounted for. flames have scorched vegetation, destroyed thousands of structures, and even hollowed out a tree nearly 300 square miles have been charred >> kobe steel's president telling reporters the company had uncovered nine more types of products whose inspections had been faked or manipulated, including copper alloy pipes and steel wire rods. both are used in vehicle tires and engines. >> the chicago cubs are moving on, beating the washington nationals 9-8 to win the decisive game five in the national league division series. the marathon game ended around 1:00 a.m. eastern time and the defending world series champions will play the los angeles
dodgers for the national league pennant. >> and that's our cnbc news update at this hour. sara, over to you at the imf in washington, d.c. >> morgan, thank you very much we are here at the imf world bank meeting we're joined by a very special guest right now. his last interview on his last days of vice chairman of the federal reserve, stanley fischer joining us here. welcome. >> thank you >> so what kind of mark did you leave on this fed? >> oh, that's not a question you can ask me we'll have to wait and see what the rest of them say when the time comes >> any thoughts, though, on the legacy and the opinions that you voiced over your years >> over the years, i was very centrist and believed more or less in what the fed has done and what it did in the crisis in particular i think what the fed did in the crisis was innovative and critically important in stopping
the possibility of a great depression, which was a real live possibility at the beginning of the period. >> and now comes the tricky part of getting out of that emergency response over your years, you were there during the beginning of the normalization to higher rates. >> right >> do you feel like we should be faster on that front when it comes to progress toward normal? >> well, i wish -- i wish the circumstances were such that going faster was the right policy, but given the uncertainty about the inflation rate approaching the 2% target, we have to be more careful than full speed ahead >> what's your theory on that? we have another soft cpi number this morning >> my theory is that it will -- there's a thing in economics, when you're expecting something, it takes longer to arrive than you thought. and then when it arrives, it goes quicker than you thought.
so i think we're still in the getting upset about how long it's taking to get here. but you have to consider the other possibility that something has changed significantly. >> structurally. >> yeah. >> in the economy. >> that's a possibility. >> it's not your - >> but you know, you can't ignore the evidence for too long >> alt the same time, we're about to head into this new experiment of shrinking the balance sheet. are you surprised that the market sort of yawned around this, and we haven't seen tighter financial conditions in anticipation of that >> well, i think a lot of people say, well, interest rates were reduced by about 100 basis points they should now go up by about 100 basis points but this move has been anticipated for so long that a lot of the what is going to happen as a result of it is already being filtered into -- has been filtered into long-term interest rates
so i think it's not going to move the rate by another 100 basis points it may in total do that. >> so you will not be there in december to vote on a rate hike. but would you vote for it if you were >> i think i shouldn't talk about that >> what about predictions? the market is expecting a hike this year, three next year do you think that's achievable >> i think that's achievable if we continue to run good policies and with a global economy coming up and for the first time in a decade having faster growth in the global economy than we expected, there's a good chance of that. >> we heard from larry fink earlier of blackrock on cnbc this week saying one of his biggest fears is actually a fed misstep, the fed getting too aggressive on policy is he right to worry about that? >> i think he must be talking about too aggressive in an
upward direction there's also too aggressive in a downward direction i think you can rely on this fed to be pretty measured in what it does >> so you think they should still be hiking rates despite the sort of lack of inflation at the target rate? >> i don't want to go into - >> you're supposed to share everything now that you're stepping off >> i am? well, we'll do another interview after i step down. >> we'll get the real truth. >> one other big topic of conversation here at the imf meetings, do the central bankers have the tools globally that they need in case we enter another downturn >> well, i mean, the theory that the central bankers have to do everything is not right. there's also fiscal policy, and fiscal policy really matters it's more effective when the interest rate is at zero and then the fiscal policy doesn't affect the interest rate so a large part of the negative
aspect of fiscal policy, namely the raises to the interest rate, doesn't happen, so it's more effective in affecting output, and probably therefore a little while later inflation. >> if we dip back into recession, everyone is going to be wondering, do we go to negative interest rates, more qe >> those tools are there and there's no point in ignoring things that you can do if you can do them without creating side effects which are negative. significantly negative so i expect that if we get into enough trouble, we'll be using those measures, and that we should i don't like using them that much, but it would be foolish to get into recession because you don't like the measures which will get you out of it quicker >> so where are we in this cycle? about eight years into expansion, are we at the end, in
the middle >> it's very hard to say because we don't know what's going on with inflation and when we learn better what's going on with inflation, we'll know but so far, there are no signs at present that would cause you to say, well, this is reaching its end. we still get increases in employment we're still getting increases in output we would love more increases in output and so there's room for expansion, and we would certainly like more inflation. >> and you mentioned fiscal policy what about the tax reform principles that we're getting out of the administration? from what you see, do you see the potential for another growth spurt out of that? >> i think you could have a short run increase in growth, but you have to be careful thinking about the size of the debt probably more than the size of the debt, the size of the debt servicing costs.
that is at these low interest rates, we could afford a slightly higher debt ratio for the economy. >> but you're saying it shouldn't blow out the deficit too much >> yeah. >> because if interest rates rise, that's a problem >> that's right. you're always scared that interest rates are actually going to rise. as you hit fuller and fuller capacity utilization and you know, but we've got room for more investment, room for more consumption >> what about this idea that a cut in the corporate tax rate will lead to more jobs and higher wages do you buy that? >> well, i buy it at the theoretical level, but you also need to watch what happened to the more corporate profits that have accrued in recent years they seem to have gone into buying back shares more than anything else. >> so is that your theory on repatriation, that's what will happen to it >> a question of just to what extent it will happen.
it will happen to some extent. will it be the main thing? i hope not, but it could be. you have to keep watching that >> do you think president trump is getting sound economic advice >> i don't know what advice president trump is getting and that's not a question that somebody from the fed is going to answer in full ignorance. >> so i'll rephrase it he wants to achieve 3% growth. we haven't been there post-financial crisis. are the policies he's talking about going to get us there? >> well, it depends on precisely which of the policies, and i'm sure some of the policies he's talking about are there because you don't exactly get through the things that you recommend. you have to have room for concessions to the other side and so forth so i don't think we know precisely what's going to come out of this. >> but this idea of deregulation, which you have been critical in terms of the financial sector >> on the financial seconder, i
that's a major mistake i think if there are lessons of what has happened to us, it is keep the financial sector healthy. do not take risks of any magnitude there. because once you get into a financial crisis on a large scale, you're in for a very long period of slow growth, and that is not a good idea so i worry about deregulation at this stage >> you have sounded that alarm before who should he appoint at the next fed chair >> you're really trying a lot o questions i'm not going to answer >> these are hot button issues >> he should appoint janet yellen >> you think so? >> i'm not going to go to the risks. >> what kind of qualities are needed for that job? >> i think many of the qualities that genet has, which is that janet is a safe pair of hands and very good at explaining what she's doing.
and persuading people of what she's doing. i think that's critically important. >> what about a non-ph.d. economist? how would you feel about that? >> look, i benefits from my economic training. >> and you benefitted many others >> when i was governor, and in the fed. and so it's an advantage are there people smart enough not to need a ph.d.? certainly, there are people smart enough not to need a ph.d. if they have also got experience in the financial sector and in the economy. so i don't like to say, well, you don't have this, you don't have that, you just should be ruled out like that. >> so how are we going to hear from you are you going to continue to advise central bankers in their jobs as you have been for so many years will you join twitter? >> i'm not a twitter sort, but maybe i should i don't know i have never done it
but i don't know what i'm going to do. i'm going to take a few months off. i want to get us reorganized we're moving to new york we're going to get the apartment set up >> back to normal life >> the organizational needs that need doing once that's all done, i'll start figuring out what i want to do next but it will include the economy. i promise you. >> and we hope to still hear from you and brutally honest off the fed. >> brutally honest off the fed well, i'm not in favor of unnecessary brutality. >> okay. well said. stanley fischer, thank you very much for talking to us on this final weekend. >> thank you very much >> as vice chair >> thanks very much, sara. it's been a pleasure being interviewed by you over many years. >> appreciate that long time. stanley fischer, vice chairman of the federal reserve former imf economist, former govern of the bank of israel, carl, and also adviser and teacher to so many of the
world's central bankers including mario draghi right now. back to you. >> we'll be looking for that twitter account to go live, sara eisen at the imf meeting thanks >> when we come back, big tech under fire why our next guest says silicon valley is not your friend. "new york times" contributor nome gome is witush dow's up 56. we're back in a minute they don't invest in alternatives or municipal strategies. what people really invest in is what they hope to get out of life. but helping them get there means you can't approach investing from just one point of view. because it's only when you collaborate and cross-pollinate many points of view that something wonderful can happen. those people might just get what they want out of life. or they could get even more.
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good to have you >> thank you >> we've had obviously the message is clear today, page one of the times is about silicon valley perhaps creating more problems than it solves but if you had to pick a moment where this narrative began, when was it >> i think for the public, wouldn't you think it was the election i think that's kind of where things turned in a big way i said i worked on this book before the election, so i was thinking about these issues, and i feel like maybe i was on a limb, but in the interim, the election ofdonald trump and th question of how facebook and google and twitter were use to aid that really raised people's eyes because you kind of question these ideas of borders and can we control things like facebook and google and twitter? are they -- are they kind of beyond our control, i guess. i think that's what turned a lot of the popular opinion >> and these networks, obviously, there's sort of an ideology at the center, they want to be this transparent conduit, or they pretend to be,
of your preferences. what you want, what you want to share. they're driven by users. but obviously, there are ways to tilt those things one way or another. do they have to kind of question the baseline premise of their businesses in terms of how they're going to operate >> that's something you all would know better than me. i wonder how it's all going to play out in a financial sense. is it really credible we could break up something like facebook or google? what would that mean when i was thinking about it for the book, for answering questions about the book, i wonder whether we would think of it as a national asset we would lose if we break up facebook they're so dominant in the world. those are the issues we're getting at, whether the idea of such monopolistic power is anathema to the way our society should be. >> you go back just on the technology of a a.i., the birth of how a.i. began and where it's evolved. i wonder if you think there's going to be a day where we're going to try to put some of that back in the box. >> i guess i'm not quite as -- i
know there's a lot of debate between elon musk and mark zuckerberg i'm of the camp that doesn't think a.i. is this threat in the existential way. i don't know -- i don't think machines are really human. i don't think they have human qualities. they're not like our rivals. we do have to put back in the box some of these techniques they're using like the hypertargeting in the piece, what i sort of said is what's weird about what's going on with this hyp hypertargeting is they're making money from things we couldn't make money on. i like this movie, this food and somebody finds that valuable i can't sell that. are you interested in that about me it's hard to package this, how to regulate it i think the basic assumptions are wrong or dangerous >> there's a counterpoint to this is which is every time you have this new dominant wave of techn technology, media especially, there is this. there were concerned about the television rating service. people thought networks should
automatically put anything out there and it should get these great ratings. do thing there's a consensus in the public interest to question the power of these companies because they're so big >> i think the election is what is really doing it i wonder if you agree the sense that maybe a foreign country was able to use these we had no rea regulating and now there's questions whether ads on facebook and google should be treated like political ads when you're asking what's changed, like how the elephant gets its nose under the door, but i've heard you talking the stocks will tell that and whether there's a change in the fortunes >> just to bounce it back, the fang, so to speak, is stock prices continue to appreciate. you've got amazon and google back above 1,000, and as our colleague jim cramer said this morning, when other things don't work, it's the area where a lot of investors tend to migrate quickly because of hypergrowth it's not a comment on their social value >> the only thing that would
challenge that is if the government would step in i wonder whether if the tides are turning in our country, that would be the next kind of focal point. i do think also facebook, you know, these silicon valley companies also speak to the income inequality idea i was wondering why it wasn't more of a thing, like the extreme wealth you're talking about with bezos and zuckerberg and why that isn't a similar sort of thing bernie sanders was talking about, why isn't that different than wall street great wealth and disparity >> that gets you back really 100 years ago busting the trusts really they are too big and wealthy and powerful, not so much like a regulative monopoly like a utility in exchange for exclusive access to this territory, we're going to regulate your prices. they are big, they are scary, and too rich >> too much power that way i was almost thinking, you know, imagine like the things they talk about, how great the services are, almost like if you have water, you can talk about you're saving the world autotime you can add things to water,
have ads for water it is an amazing thing i was definitely fearful in this book of coming off, and i'm not. i think these are amazing tools. i'm not saying you shouldn't have them, but it is what you're saying whether they might be too big, too powerful, and beyond our regulation >> that's going to be a debate for years to come. >> interesting to see, yeah. >> i can't wait to see more of your piece hope our viewers take a look thanks very much contributing writer for "the new york times." let's send it over to john fortt for a look at what's coming up on "squawk alley." >> continuing up with that conversation, we're going to talk about teflon tech apple, facebook, google among big names shrugging off the headlines. stocks largely moving higher we're going to dig into why that is and what it means for everybody's money coming up on "squawk alley"
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