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seem to be a question of size. >> and it will be a merry christmas for all media bankers and attorneys. julia, thank you tomorrow, andrew will be interviewing at&t randal stephenson from about 1:21 p.m., headlines of course we're going to bring them to you >> thank you for watching "power lunch. "closing bell" starts right now. another very busy day here on wall street welcome to the "closing bell." >> you're hearing all of this that's going on, also let's remember, this is a big milestone day. it's the one year anniversary of president trump being elected into office. coming up, we will grade the president's performance on some key areas, including the markets, taxes, and management style. we have larry kudlow, don, and ed joining us to weigh in. they'll be giving grades, handing them out there a little bit there. >> new developments in the at&t
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time warner deal the financial times reporting regulators are demanding the sale of cnn in order to approve the deal we'll have the latest on just what the government is demanding here, coming up. and this has been a big story today. snap sinking after missing wall street's revenue estimates by a big margin we'll look at whether that stock, which is down about 50%, since the ipo, whether that can recover or not that's all coming up here. busy day >> still a big decline for those shares let's kick it off with the latest on the at&t time warner deal sources saying that regulators are calling for the sale of cnn in order to approve the deal, joining us is the reporter who first broke the story today, james khan, thanks for your time >> thank you for having me on the show >> so, now the "new york times" is reporting it's a sale of turner properties writ large, what's your latest information on what the government is demanding that at&t would have to sell to get this deal done.
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>> based on that reporting before the times reported about kind of turner broadcasting and directv. what we understood was the problem was cnn for the government that's what they've been told. and so -- really the question is whether this is a political move or it's a actual regulatory question that the u.s. government is kind of telling at&t you need to get rid of this asset which is cnn so for the moment the problem is cnn rather than the size of the asset. >> the timing of this and the request itself, does feel like a political move would you agree? what are you hearing in that regard let's back up just a for a second here. we know there has been this feud for the last year between president trump and cnn. >> absolute -- >> do you think this could have something to do with that? >> so what we were told from a number of sources is that the administration has been putting
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pressure on the doj, on the deal, and this kind of has become clear today to us as we discover that cnn is the problem and they want basically at&t to get rid of cnn to get the deal done let's not forget that during the campaign, president trump, then candidate donald trump said that he would block the deal because he thought it would be bad for democracy. and interesting though his pick for head of the anti-trust, the doj said at the time when he was not yet the candidate for the post said that he didn't think the deal posed any serious anti-trust threat. that seemed to have changed now. >> james, we're looking at time warner shares down 6.5% as this reporting unfolds this afternoon, if it's just cnn as you guys are reporting, it feels like an easier fix to me at&t can just say, okay, fine,
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we'll take everything else, sure it wouldn't include a property that we want and i understand that at&t says it's unwilling to part with cnn, or hbo, tnt, or the warner brothers studio it may be about a harder call than just cnn going that it may be about turner or other parts of the size issue. that would come into play here >> that's very possible. and there's no doubt, the reporting and the time seems very solid there's no way we can kind of contest that but again, i'd like to stress that our sources say the problem is cnn obviously you could think that, you know, from the company side that would be a good way to spin the story, but there's more to that and the attention should be on the question of what do you do with cnn at this point >> i'm sure there are other media properties out there who would be willing to say okay great, we will happilytake cnn >> cbs has been out there, name
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rumored several times as a potential acquirer of cnn, but again, from our sources tell us that the company, at&t, is not interested in selling cnn or any other asset because it sees this as a vertical, kind of merger which should pose no kind of anti-trust threat. so they're very determined -- our understanding is they're ready to go to court and they think they can win it if the government decides to block it and go to court. >> right speaking of regulations, we're going to talk about that just now. james, thank you, appreciate it. >> thank you from the financial times let's get to a senior legal advisor for the fcc commissioner >> thanks for joining us again >> thanks, nice to be here >> so what do you think about the government potentially blocking this? whether it's over cnn for one or whether it's over more of the properties that time warner owns >> if the reports are accurate, this is quite a troubling
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development. first of all, this merger was announced over a year ago before the election it was very much under the radar after that all systems seemed to be go, it was a green light according to those close to the negotiations with the justice department, and to have at the 11th hour this, you know, this development is troubling. if it's a highly politicized transaction, or development, we now see the development of the trump effect we know that the president has had problems with cnn, which, you know, based on the cnn reporting, that's understandable, but the fact that this is a vertical merger with very little competitive impact would seem to me that there would be a green light on the regulatory front keep in mind also that this merger, at&t opted not to go to the fcc. they went straight to the justice department we have a new assistant attorney general for anti-trust megan del rahim who indicated
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initially before donald got into office he had no problems with this, and now we see pressure coming from the executive branch from the administration to block a deal to have this cnn spun off, if that's accurate reporting. very troubling -- >> and because -- >> also with a look at the context of other mergers in the cube >> such as the sinclair -- >> sinclair -- sinclair transcribe bun is in the cue potentially sprint, sprint we've talked about sprint t-mobile which looks like it's off. >> that's dead, yeah >> there was talk about a 21st century fox disney merger. >> disney -- >> and so let's hope that this one is a unique sort of set of circumstances that revolves around the politics and not some sort of policy departure that is going to be ushered in by the trump dministration. >> well, because they went to doj, how do you think this then plays out? i mean, is it as simple as at&t just suing the government to try
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and make sure this happens but then that drags things out for who knows how long, right? >> well, there are two courses of action that obviously the merger parties can choose to exercise or judicial options and that does take quite a bit of time they could capitulate, come back to the table and do some old fashioned horse trading and figure out which of these properties really, really are problematic. if it's just cnn, then at&t has a corporate decision to make as to whether -- as to how value that believe property is and the overall transaction and they're overall plans for the tribune rollout to incorporate other assets into the at&t universe would be very valuable and the question becomes, how much can they get for cnn and do they really want to depart, depart with cnn enlight of a broader transaction and broader set of corporate plans? we don't know that at this point. >> yeah, yeah.
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>> thank you for your thoughts we'll continue to follow this deal all afternoon and then tomorrow, at&t's ceo randal stephenson will be on power lunch. tune in for that that's the guy right there that has to make the decision of how to proceed from here the bus stops with him >> including sue the government as you said. >> exactly >> see if the government can prove there would be consumer harm today marks one year since the election of donald trump in the past year the president has taken the opportunity on many occasions to talk about one big thing that's on his mind, take a listen. >> the stock market is an an all-time record. stock market has gone up massively since the election the stock market has hit record numbers. >> the stock market has gained almost $3 trillion in value since the election we've added $3.3 trillion in stock market value we've picked up in market value almost $4 trillion since november 8, which was the
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election $4 trillion. that's a lot of money. personally, i picked up nothing, but that's all right they never talk about the all-time high stock market the stock market is at it's all-time high in history we're very proud of our stock market, what's happened since i became president the stock market is at an all-time high. the stock market is soaring to record levels. our stock market just hit another record high. it's the highest it's ever been in history by far. >> in 28 trillion is the global wealth creation according to deutsche bank. just this week president trump told reporters own air force one, the reason our stock market is so successful is because of me >> well, the fact is that -- mr. trump, not you >> i don't think there was confusion. >> the stock market has seen big returns since the election a year ago dom chu joins us with a look at how the market has compared to
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other newly elected presidents of the past, dom >> first of all, we work for a network that talks about the record high stock market on a pretty regular basis because it is bread and butter to us. i would say that we in the media world do know that it is a record high stock market and so apparently does president trump, but let's take a look at the first year of any new president's kind of stock market track record and what we decided to do was ask the folks over at the spoke investment group put together a list of all of the president's that became new president's, you know, first termers, since 1900. just to look by comparison how big of a move the market has been we use the dow jones industrial average because it goes back that far donald trump, one of the top five, up 28% in this one year anniversary since his election if you take a look at the biggest move higher, that came during the depression era, fdr when he first assumed office back in november, or not assumed office, got elected november of 1932, the stock market moved up
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48% a year after that. the next one was harry truman, the reason why it's not november is because he took over for a deceased franklin d. roosevelt, we mentioned president trump, lyndon johnson up 25% in the year after he assumed office because he took over after the assassination of jfk, and then we have george h.w. bush, november of 1988 and the year after that, up 23% so that kind of puts in a little bit of context now we talk about the record high stock market, we wouldn't be here with the trillions of dollars worth of gains if it wasn't for one sector in particular and that's technology up 40% in the s&p 500 over the course of the past year. in 2017 alone, we asked howard just how much did it contribute, 2012 turns out one year, and yes, 40% gain. but facebook, apple, alphabet, microsoft, amazon, these techish names accounted for 28% of the overall gain in the s&p 500 just in 2017 and those five companies guys, for a big number bill
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kelly, $1 trillion worth of market cap gain just by those companies alone. so when you talk about the market rally, it is tech and of course these big names we will talk all about these throughout the course of this term and of course if you want to read more about it, guys, all of that story is on right now back over to you >> very good, dom, thank you we'll see you a little bit later. eye popping numbers there. joining our exchange today, we're seeing the s&p flirting with all-time highs. so does the nasdaq, the dow just a fraction loser right now chris cordaro is with us right now. >> isn't that the shortest route to grow taxing
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so he says, every guest we have says they were voice of the stock market >> and they've been bullish, haven't they for the stock market >> they absolutely have. >> donald trump has a right, i wouldn't handle it that way, but he has a right to make this claim. because if you look at all the global equity markets from november 8th, none of them rallied like we did, the nikkei, a little bit, but they all basically, dax, the cat, nay all went down, it was about eight weeks after that they started to rally. we pulled them up. now you could argue, it can't be policy, there's something there. and it's the there that nobody seems to be interested in.
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and i still contend, you have republican house, republican senate, republican president, kind of republican president we could debate that some time, but in the end, it isn't about what they were doing it's about the democrats that didn't win. that is a huge issue especially if you're trying to trade the stock market and handicap it against what's going to turn out to be tax policy plus or tax policy like repeal and replace >> low interest rates because of low employment, because globally there's a lot of stimulus across the board.
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that's what's keeping corporate herbings lower. >> but to rick's point, you cannot offset that when he was elected in november, the market saw that it wasn't corporate america. it was corporate america that was looking at a lower regulatory environment at all of these other things that potentially could be done. so the key though to rick's point, i agree 100%, is that everyone will push back and say nothing's gotten past. nothing's been done. right, but there's less regulation, so never underestimate the power of a lower head wind, lower head wind's more tail winds when you look at the regulatory environment when we've been looking at the same thing for eight years prior. there's no other reason why the market would have ripped in november >> today, notwithstanding, we've been noticing the decline of the russell 2000 here, some see that as a proxy of wall street's nervousness about the tax reform package. >> right, so now we get back to
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chris's analysis, where you still have the ability to look at corporate earnings and positive tail wind that are coming from corporate america in the light of everything that we just spoke about, but they really seem to have this inability to pass anything, substantive on capitol hill, and i do believe that they're not going to be able to pass any of these initiatives. so then we fall back on, market at record highs, market still has less regulatory head winds, and you have the ability to hold these games. >> i'll give you the trump was the spark that got it going, we needed some spark, some energy to get it going. now corporate earnings has been the fuel to keep it going. if it was just based on rhetoric -- >> a lot of people have said -- >> we've already -- we're already banking the earnings people are feeling better, we just needed to get it going. so trump got it going, but it was the earnings that keeps the market going if earnings were falling off and declining, the market wouldn't be where it's at >> it's the giant tech companies
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that are the best performers in this right, it does feel like that's kind of just a secular phenomenal story that maybe doesn't have anything to do with the president, or does it? >> you know, i agree with a lot of what our guests are saying, you need -- listen, we have wild horses in the form of tech companies, a lot of corporations, they're big war horses, they're great orses, but they were running on muddy track for better part of a decade they saw a better track, nice dry track, and now they can gallup, we need all of that. and maybe the connection with some of these companies is tenuous. the trigger, low rates, we had all the same thing on november 10th that we had on november 6th, something happened that day, it's undeniable >> well, we're getting the whip to move it along here. we're going to have to do that here gentlemen thank you all. as always. we'll see you a little bit later. meantime, snap shares sinking after reporting weak quarterly revenue, find out as
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we're not giving a fair holders, growing the company and really trying to set a standard for companies in the sector. >> what's your break even oil price these days >> we talk kelly in terms of what is our sustaining price today? and we can sustain our dividend below a $40 a barrel
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which we think is industry leading sector leading today that's part of the transformation we've been through. >> part of the strategy this last year, you sold some assets, some oil fuels, why? if the feeling is that prices are going higher here, there goes the revenue stream right. >> yeah it's all improving the business we sold over $16 billion of assets and those had little cash flow impacts in $55 a barrel so we're able to redirect that back to the balance sheet, shore up the balance sheet as we've gone through this downturn, we have debt. give somebody back to the shareholder through distributions, and now start to invest back into the portfolio for growth we will grow over 10% growth over the next three years. >> u.s. crude oil output has been at new all-time highs in the past week or so, 9.6 million
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barrels a day. and you need to capture the upside as you go to 60 and $70 a barrel if that's where the marketplace is going we think it's a well-supplied world. we're in for a lot of volatility there's a lot of issues going on as you point out in the middle east the u.s. is growing, it should grow half or three quarters of a million barrels this year. price goes to 60, we're going to grow even more and take up some of that demand you've got to be prepared to embrace that volatility and figure out how to work at the low side as well
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>> opec, you know, they used to call the shots will that still be the case as we see this continued rise in u.s. production? >> well, i think, you know, some people ask is it a swing producer >> i think over a time, the u.s. is going to influence that market quite a lot we're still not a swing producer on a monthly basis like opec can do in terms of spare capacity, but we are a big insignificant player in the world global supply market today. and it's going to persist. >> our influence on the oil market's going to be greater than today for the kpus. >> absolutely. these prices, the u.s. will continue to grow the u.s. unconventional is not stopping it is getting better it's getting more resilient to the low prices and it's still very profitable at these kinds of prices today. >> good to see you >> thank you very much >> look forward to it, thank you. >> chairman and ceo of khan co. phillips >> and we have 35 minutes to go into the close dow's hanging on to a 3.5 gain
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afternoon. carl ikhan is under investigation. >> that's right. i want to highlight exactly what icon disclosed in a filing on friday the firm said that the u.s. attorney's office for the southern district of new york recently contacted icahn enterprises to activities relating to the renewable fuel standard and the role as an advisor to the president the filing adds that ikahn is providing information and that the u.s. attorney's office has not made any claims or allegations against the firm or ikhan. they own refineries and shelled out hundreds of millions of dollars to comply with a bush administration law now the price of those credits is based on supply and demand and any policy changes, and in may, a group of democratic senators led by elizabeth warren called for a federal investigation into whether ikhan benefitted from insider trading.
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various media reports as well had also raised the question as to whether ikhan was able to influence president trump in a way that would drive down the cost of the credits. he seized to act adding that he never had access to nonpublic information or profited from his position he also did not believe that his role presented a conflict of interest, guys >> big story, leslie, thank you very much. leslie picard there. let's get over to sue herrara, sue. >> hello kelly, hello bill, here's what's happening. defense secretary james mattis meeting with fellow nato defense ministers in brussels. they will endorse a plan to create two commands. one to protect sea lanes varying troops and equipment across the atlantic the other for land forces in europe it's the first time nato is expanding it's command structure since the cold war former president obama
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reporting for jury duty this morning in chicago he worked the jury assembly room shaking hands, signing copies of his book he was ultimately dismissed by the judge a short time later, but he will be paid $17.20 for the day. just like every other juror. and president trump addressed south korea's national assembly yesterday he talked about the strong relationship between the two countries, but then, went a bit offtrack >> the women's u.s. open was held, this year, at trump national golf club in bedminister, new jersey, and it just happened to be won be a great korean golfer, song wan park >> the comment sparked some criticism that he was using the president to promote his private business interests, others say that the president was just going a little offscript and
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trying to praise the south korean golfers we'll let you decide that's the news update this hour bill, kelly, back to you >> thank you, sue. >> you got it. as we've been highlighting today marks one year since the election, the dow is up nearly 30% in that time, but how else can we measure the year? >> we're going to. joining us right now for their assessment of the president's performance over this past year, cnbc senior contributor larry kudlow and don keebls who is ceo of the corporation both with us here at post nine. don, let's begin with you, run us through it, how would you grade the president? >> look, on taxes, i would give him incomplete on management, i'd give him a c. and i would say in terms of creating optimism, i'd give him a b, initialfully terms of the business sector, and that's why we see this push in the stock market. >> and jobs. >> and jobs, a c, and mainly there because i think that a lot of these jobs -- unemployment was down when he came into
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office and so he's been -- his policies have been able to continue to go down, and i think the only way we see more jobs is more deregulation and a ta reform getting through the congress >> wow, larry, i wish i'd had you in college you're not a very tough grader, are you? let's compare -- >> totally favorite democrat no, i'm here >> i think everybody should have one. >> because regarding jobs, i think trump's deregulation message, and by the way, that includes congress, they pass 70 bills, trump's executive orders have been a tremendous shot in the arm to both moral and confidence and actually, there's evidence that small, medium businesses had picked up, all right. >> a minus on jobs >> i would give him an a minus on jobs. >> tarkss, b plus. >> taxes, b plus because i think his message has been terrific. messaging is important i think his part of the bill, particularly the business tax
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cuts, which yours truly contributed to during the campaign is terrific and if he gets a bill through and i believe they will after talking to the republican senators yesterday, i'm going move the b plus to an a. >> and then management style >> okay. >> b with the old adage, needs improvement? which i was always getting in grade school. >> that's exactly correct. at the dwight school, i think it needs improvement. sometimes it says get out of dodge. i can't remember exactly had a hard time getting it together i think general kelly now is really a big help to him, stayed with kellyanne conway, i think that's also a big help, but he's had turmoil on that. his relations with congress have improved, but he's had turmoil on that. and the agencies, this is not altogether his fault, but they haven't gotten trump people confirmed. now they speed is up there, nominating, okay but there was a period there when the nominations really --
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so i'm going -- something between a c plus and a b minus on that. that's where i'll go >> what would you give him, off the top of your head, when it comes to international relations, given he's in the middle of this big asia trip don. >> i think there, i think he's getting a b plus or better because he's sending a message that we're not going to tolerate any aggression, for example, and then also we want a fair trade system and that's i think what destroyed our manufacturing industry here in this country is these unfair trade agreements on the north american free trade agreement with disasters for our country. so i think there, he's sending a different message. and i think again that creates optimism and on management for example, i would give him a higher grade if he would lead by example and if he would sometimes roll his sleeves up and get -- and force some action. and i think he's going to have to do that to get tax reform passed too >> international >> i think his international has been solid, i agree with don look, he's completely changed the middle east story.
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first of all, he took the handcuffs off our soldiers in the rules of engagement. we've defeated isis in iraq, routed isis in syria, that's huge and changed geopolitics, we are now favoring israel and the saudis, and we are opposed to iran, completely changing obama, and one -- a lot of points that could be made here, he's putting good money in the defense department by the way, we needed that, but just, you know, look at his relationship with china all right. everybody was worried on that. and china has some big trade issues, but, trump has really worked well with xi, he has. and they signed on to our financial sanctions, i bet they're talking about the north korea story today. so, i'm, you know, i'm going to give him certainly an a minus, if not an a on foreign policy. and i think that's a surprise to a lot of people. >> i hesitate to bring this up since we only have a minute left, gentlemen, but we had an
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election yesterday, and a number of democrats got the most votes. and there were those who felt like this was a mandate against trumpism, i mean, i'm assuming you agree with that. >> i wouldn't read that much into it. for example, new jersey, chris christie destroyed new jersey for republicans with what he did at the gw bridge, showing himself as petty there was a referendum in new jersey to get rid of him and everybody associated with him. and virginia, you had -- virginia, conservative, more bipartisan democrat, leading the ticket, and african american lieutenant governor candidate -- >> but also had virginia congress seats flip to democrats -- >> legislature. >> but again -- >> look where they voted to expand medicaid, and that's going to complicate matters for the president too. >> think about this, two things. one you had a democratic governor who restored voting rights to 200,000 of them for
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the presidential election. so the demographics of virginia continues to get more on the democratic side, that's why the lead was -- the victory margin was bigger -- >> only 30 seconds on this >> come on, look -- >> i've got to go. >> i shouldn't have asked. >> trump won five or six congressional seats. i would put this in perspective. i just to want summarize, okay what's he done trump has ended the war on business trump has ended the war on success with loud messaging, and trump has -- >> even with the tax plan? >> with the tax cuts, ending the war on investment. and he has messaged that again and again, he is exhorting business to get america moving again, and don't underestimate though, that's why the confidence factor is so high you've got give credit for that. >> instincts we were talking about last year. >> animal spirits. >> thanks larry. don, always good to see you. thanks for joining us today. news alert to get to here. fascinating story, kate rogers has the details, kate. >> hi kelly, privately held
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panera bread is buying for an undisclosed amount panera was founded in 1981 under the penn name. the company was later renamed panera after acquiring the st. louis bread company, then in 1999, panera sold off the brand. additionally the fact casual restaurant company is announcing that it's ceo is stepping down he won't become chairman taking his place would be blaine hearse who is currently the company's president. now remember, panera was bought out by jab earlier this year for about $7.5 billion that company also owns krispy kreme, and caribou coffee. this is just even more consolidation in that space. there's also been some chatter in trade publications about having interest in acquiring dunken donuts. back over to you >> and with all of those competition there the brands is down 3.7%. >> coffee empire >> they are very, very
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aggressive and putting toogt pretty smart field goal there, that's for sure. thanks kate. >> thank you. >> see you later meanwhile snap shares have plunged around 50% since the ipo. and they are falling sharply again today after those disappointing sales figures. we'll discuss whether this stock can turn around, coming up i think it's terrific. your kids go to college and you start trading. >>yeah, 5 years already. 5 years, hmm. you ever call your broker for help? >>once, when volatility spiked... and? >>by the time they got me an answer, it was too late. td ameritrade's elite service team can handle your toughest questions right away- with volatility, it's all about your risk distribution. good to know. >>thanks, mike. we got your back kate. >>does he do that all the time? oh yeah, sometimes he pops out of the couch. help from real traders. only with td ameritrade. stay with me, mr. parker. when a critical patient is far from the hospital, the hospital must come to the patient.
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just ahead, reaction to the streaming devices initial report, coming up. plus snap's staging a bill sell off after disappointing revenue and selling off in the session today. find out if this is a chance to snap up the shares of the at wnto when we come right back
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target is planning to close a dozen stores in february in states like michigan, florida, illinois, and texas. a target spokesperson told us here at cnbc it has a rigorous process to evaluate performance of every store on an annual basis and that the closings are due to the decreased profitability of those particular stores. snap shares down more than 15% after reporting earnings missed after the bell yesterday. today it's been a roller coaster too. they've announced that chinese company ten cent acquired a 10% stake in the company and it's not helping the stock this afternoon to still down 15%.
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>> let's get reaction for this company. joining us, from sun trust robinson humphrey. there've been some brutal analyst reports out today after that report last night, yours among them as well you still have a sell in this company, what do you make of what you heard yesterday >> well look, we're hoping to hear something that was positive, that was going to actually push the numbers in the right direction short term, and what we heard was more uncertainty, the pricing is still head wind, they weren't able to add users as they the street thought they were going to add more importantly, they came back and now they are in the process of redesigning the app and every time you do something of that magnitude, it just raises a red flag because we don't know what the new app is going to look like, we don't know the timing of it, and we don't know how users and advertisers are going to react to it. >> all the same, must see value
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if they've increased substantially here, right? >> i think so. it may be because they're looking to expand their global footprint, looking to learn, maybe about some best practices around the western europe and in the u.s. but for snap, remember, they're not getting voting shares in terms of what ten cent is getting, snap itself is not getting any money from this 10% ownership because ten cent is buying in the open market. and ten cent has historically been an investor pre-ipo so we don't think -- and we've got an number of questions from investors whether this is a prelude to ten cents acquiring the whole company and we think the answer is no >> okay. the redesign of the app, acknowledged that it's too complicated for some people of a certain age. so where is their growth going to come from do you think they could get older users to come to snap chat
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if they make it as easy to use as a facebook or twitter >> that's a huge change of strategy remember, even before the ipo, the ceo was talking about how their core focus is on the 13-34 and yesterday on the conference call, he was talking about wanting to expand their reach or the attractiveness of the app to the 34 or 35-year-olds and above. we think that, if anything, it is done from a position of weakness -- not from a position of strength. i would have been frankly much better -- i think they would have been much better off doubling down on what they know best, users in that 13 to 18-year-old range, particularly, spending a ton of time, and i think there is a ton of monetization opportunity, but going beyond their core constituency presents risks. >> all right good to see you, thank you for joining us here. i don't believe for a second
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it's too complicated for 35-year-old. >> i tried it once years ago, i had no idea what was going on. breaking news on at&t, sue herrara, now what? >> we have a response to cnbc. we've requested a response from at&t in response to the doj demanding devesttures of cnn and other turner properties in order to complete that at&t time warner merger. the following is attributed to randal stephenson, he is the at&t chairman and ceo. he says quote, until now, we have never commented on our discussions with the doj, but, given the doj's statement this afternoon, it is important to set the record straight, throughout this process, i have never offered to sell cnn and have no intention of doing so, end quote. so, the battle continues this is the latest from at&t's chairman and ceo randal stephenson, kelly, bill, back to you. >> oh boy. we thought that was going to
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happen >> it's interesting to get the ceo to weigh in on something like that. >> especially making it public now that's going to be very interesting to see how this plays out from here, thank you, sue. see you later. ten minutes until the close. watching shares of those two companies, time warner down about 6% this afternoon. dow is back in negative territory. it's down 12 s&p small gain, russell small gain and nasdaq's up 16. >> wouldn't you know, 21st century fox highlights another big day of afterhour earnings tonight. we'll have a preview of that when we come back. win an uncertain world?k predictable income pgim sees alpha in real assets. like agriculture to feed the world. and energy to fuel its growth. real estate such as e-commerce warehouses. and private debt to finance transportation
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coming up on the last two minutes of trade here, now it's suddenly moving back toward the unchanged level. we may get a record there. we're about two points in record territory for the s&p and the nasdaq is flirting with it as well there's what the dow is doing at this moment. the best performer in the dow today, walmart, that continues that run as we head into the holiday season jpmorgan and all the banks continue lower, they've had a tough time as they keep an eye on fed policy and the tax reform package in washington. the other two companies to watch, seth and time warner, kelly and the gang will have more as they are now fighting back on the government's demand in order to get this deal done that they would have to sell the turner broadcast assets which includes cnn and you heard
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randal stephenson coming out a while ago saying that's not going to happen. the ten year yield, it was an okay auction, better than the three year note auction yesterday, but the flattening of the yield curve continues, the yield on the tenure at 233 oil pulled back a bit today, bob, as we had a bigger bill that anticipated so a very volatile day there as they were anticipating a draw down and now we're at 56.81 right now. >> we're consolidating around the 56, $57 range. i wanted to mention earnings, finally getting the retailers, elf will be after the bell ears, lips, eyes, lips, face, tomorrow, macy's, kohl's, nordstrom as well. >> here's after the bell elf. but i want to mention the retailers. a lot of discussions, of course, a lot of the core fragrance cosmetic jewelry businesses discounted, that's been a big problem.
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heavily shorted industry we'll see if there's any good news we want to look at macy's. hurricanes and wild fires, that didn't help. >> gains across the board it looks like for the averages. we'll sort that out here in the next few seconds and stay tuned for the earnings, especially from the 21st century fox with kelly evans, see you tomorrow. >> thank you, bill, and welcome to the closing bell, everybody, i'm kelly even as and looks like all three of the major averages eked out another record. adding 5.5 points. the s&p today, adding just a little less than four points, 25.94, the nasdaq deposit, third of one percent and all three of those again due mark russell closing highs. not quite there, 1481. it's still about 30 points off the closing high
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did manage to finish higher by about 2.5 points after steep losses yesterday in decline earlier today. a lot of earnings movers today after hours. reporters are standing by, julia, cover 21st century fox. awaiting square, and courtney is looking for that ears, lips, eyes i do think that could be a new, there's a new brand in there somewhere, see you in just a couple minutes joining me today, michael santulli next to him, stephanie link from tiaa investments and dennis is here as well from the wall street journal let's run through some of the biggest movers in the dow today. biggest gainer was merck jpm down about 1%.
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>> february of last year and you had almost as much added from that point on >> are you suggesting it's not election-related and. >> look, there was a catalyst at the election, there's no doubt about it a switch was flipped and there was a massive reprising of lots of different stocks it's not despite who's president, but it's a broader theme. >> it's in the bond market too it's not coming at the expense of warner brother. let's talk about the financials for just a minute. that was a decliner, weak spot in the market again today. s&p bank etf, weaker today, down more than 3% in the last four days the drop is attributed to well, maybe a number of things this goes back to interest rates. the republican electoral losses
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that could impact the tax reform push, and yeah, the yield curb, what about these midterm -- you and maxine waters is the head of the committee, is it any wonder the banks are the biggest decliners today? >> that's kind of getting a little ahead of ourselves i would say at this moment i'm very -- i respect the fact that there's a lot of political situations going on right now. on the flip side, big beneficiaries of regulation, that is happening. i talked to a number of companies and that's the one thing they are already seeing. not 100%, but it's starting. and that bodes well for confidence and business investment across the landscape. and that bodes well for lending. so, lone growth has been kind of meek, maybe that improves as business confidence improves
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but it's the flat yield curb that i think is the one thing that people are a little nervous about, let's just see how it all plays out. these are still able to deliver strong earnings and good capital returns and valuations aren't extended >> are you a buyer of a jpmorgan on a decline like this then? >> i sure am i'm overweight the group, but i have been, let's say, let's let the dust settle, let's see what happens with tax reform, i do still believe there is strong earnings power for the group and you pick your spots and your quality companies, and that's how you make money >> well, let's mention snap here will quickly before the earnings those shares were down big today, dennis, and still this investment from ten cent up 12% now of the company, not doing enough to send the declines. what do you make of it all >> this one is so interesting, kelly, because snap chat obviously has this really bizarre governess structure in which evan spooegle has basically royal power over the company and shareholders really have literally no say in how it's run and this is -- this was what's so fascinating about it, if you
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own stock, can you do anything about what's happening at the company? and the answer is no and so, you would think that the investment from ten cent should be a stabilizing force and concept it is, but if you have no way to exert your influence, does it even matter that you own the stock anyway so it's a strange turn about that i never thought about when the ipo happened but we're seeing almost the lack of influence hurting the stock in a way that just bizarre actually >> that's an interesting point let's get to these earnings those, 21st century stock results are out in the big deal speculation. julia has the numbers. >> that's right, earnings coming in right in line with expectations, 49 cents per share, this is exactly what analysts estimated, revenues beating exceptions coming in at $7 billion versus estimates of $6.81 billion. looking at the release here, no commentary of course in that speculation about a deal, but there's a quote from rupert and murdoch, executive chairman
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saying double digit gains and affiliate revenues demonstrate our strength and dynamic distinctive video brands and content across both established distributors and new entrants. of course we expect to be a big focus on the call in terms of analysts questions about what we can expect in terms of a potential deal amid those reports of a sale of some of those assets to disney, back over to you. >> julia, thank you. it's going to be a lot of focus on how film business is doing and a lot of those cable properties, nat geo. michael, overall, i wonder if that half percent gain is parked where it is. it's moving around much more on whether disney is going to buy these assets than anything else right now. >> you have to take note of the fact that the stock's been holding it's gains it wasn't just a fleeting pop in a few hours once this deal speculation was floated. whether that means it refocussed people on this idea that the valuation has been relatively depressed. these are still strategic assets for somebody, not necessarily they're playing this particular potential deal, but just a
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spotlighting the idea that there could be assets in motion in media and this properties here that might be part of that >> stephanie >> it's just a hard one to own it's a hard sector to own quite frankly. >> you think it's hard to own even though there's all of these potential deals. people often say, i want to own these companies that are going to have the huge takeover premiums and would this be a perfect example. >> one of the reason why is people like this name is because they have a diversified mix, they had sports or news and they're buying -- trying to buy sky. so, there's a lot going on at this company, but then all the sudden you have okay wait a minute, now they're going to sell some of the assets that we thought were some of their cores. doesn't really make a lot of sense, and i think it's definitely cheap it's a very high quality management team for sure it's just a little confusing at this point >> julia has a little more now, julia. >> yes, the company's saying that absent further delays, they expect the transaction that acquisition of the rest of the sky to close by june 30, 2018, going into more detail here,
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they say that the pending acquisition has been cleared on public interest and pure ralty grounds and all of the markets in which sky operates except the uk, and the republic of ireland. on the broadcasting standards on one of those regulatory arms in the uk, but they do say absent further delay, it will close by june 30, 2018, back over to you. >> thank you julia dennis, seems like a big but, the uk not being on board is one of the major issues here >> except for the primary thing that's taken care of i think the fox situation -- the murdoch family has been a buyer for decades. even the slightest signal that they are a seller, fundamentally changes the view of this company.
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it is totally different. >> i guess i was going to say, if they're a seller, they've been accumulating for decades, is that where they see the value in the market? >> i would think so. it's pretty regulatory are we going to see the bundle broken and not just on the television set, but across the whole media landscape? to me, this is a suggestion, the answer is yes. >> michael >> i don't know that it has to be this particular transaction, it's not as if news corp. is berest of options, or fox rather if it's an independent company, i do think everyone's trying to look at how this is going to play out the next waves of changes in customer behavior, and i do think that, you know, a lot would be answered. go ahead quickly >> apple is a $900 billion company. we used to call companies like
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fox media giants fox is worth 50 billion. apple's worth 900 billion. >> yeah, 18 times that i take your point. let's get to square those, those results are out. we have the payment giant. >> hey kelly, this of course as the payments company co-founded and run by jack dorsey beating all the top and bottom lines, adjusted revenue at 275 million versus 255 million expected, eps adjusted, eps up seven cents versus five cents. projected the share price has been zig zagging a little bit. it was first up and then down by more than 3%, now it seems to be flat this may have something to do with guidance, eps guidance for the fourth quarter adjusted. a little on the conservative side of five to six cents. stronger above estimate, adjusted q4 revenue guidance those of 262 to $265 million remember the stock has been on fire this year it's the best in the payment space up 170% year to date
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this year has also been moving up market and signing up larger businesses i want to mention that this quarter, the company applied far banking license as it builds out square capital, it's loan business and the last thing i want to mention, squares market cap getting close to surpassing dorsey's other company, twitter, back over to you >> thank you yeah, they're not a payment's giant, but they've had incredible performance this year, stephanie square has not much of a reaction with the squares after hours. >> 170% year to date these numbers were good. they probably needed to blow away, but more importantly needed to raise that guidance much higher. and the guidance implies that the margins might be coming down, which means they're investing, which is very healthy, but this is a company that has done all the right things you know, numbers have been going in the right direction, market shares been going up. prescription revenue has been increasing as a percentage of totals they're doing all the right things, it's a high expectation stock at this point. >> mike. >> completely agree. it's the expectation's game. one final thing to look at is the market cap a square versus greater than that, almost at parody right now
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>> 14.5 billion. >> okay. >> does that -- by the way, it was always assumed that jack dorsey spent more time sfoeping on twitter at what point -- >> more work to be done theoretically, but yeah, i mean, that's a question that's been asked for a long time. >> they doubled the character count for twitter. >> that's true >> it's in the bag >> let's get over to roku, reporting earnings for the first time as a public company courtney reagan has those results. >> pulling up a chart hereafter hours because it is soaring on these results like you said, first results as a public company for the third quarter, roku beating earnings expectations, posting a loss of ten cents. the stream was looking for a loss of $1.37, o far and away better than expected revenues also beating expectations of $124.8 million the streak was just looking for over 110 million also strong fourth quarter revenue guidance from roku and a couple little data points. active accounts increased 48% year over year
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streaming hours grew 58% year over year to 3.8 billion hours and the average revenue per user, that rpu metric grew 37% year over year and up more than 21%. kelly, back over to you. >> great set of results, thank you. that puts them to 23 bucks, they were big performer on their ipo. went up to nearly 30 i think they were over 29, so they've since backed off that. this is a good reaction and some really good revenue numbers for a company that's new >> it's great revenue numbers. and the margins sounded like they're a little bit better. this is a hardware company, and they go up against apple, google, amazon, souk see why the stock has pulled back. concerns about this competition. >> and -- >> seems like the expectations got low enough so this was enough to get it going high per. >> sure. and the company itself was not that new it's just that it's new to the public >> right >> we've seen a lot of these companies stumble so much out of the gate and we're talking about etsy
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yesterday. ro kurks rks still a different story. still had the up and down moment >> after hours here, trading up in the range of where it traded on the first half. and then added more to that, and it's been done since clearly the street didn't know exactly what to expect first report, how they're going and necessarily hit all of these different metrics. no tendencies yet. so it seems like caught a little flat footed. >> 28% right now is this a david and goliath, dennis can they take on these trillion dollar companies >> well, i don't know the answer to that, but this is the thing i want to put together which is, if you look at fox, which is a seller at this point, how can you not look at the results of roku and say yes, perhaps we should be selling fundamental behavior around television viewing is changing >> but what are they -- but here's the thing i don't understand you get a roku and you can watc netflix and hulu, but let's you watch tv the old fashioned channels too
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i mean, is there a sense that people want it all or does it have to be one or other? >> there are so many hours in the day. the roku and the apple and googlele device allow viewing into that relationship as it were, fundamentally changes the old television companies and so fox has got to deal with that reality and so, i can totally see why some would say, let's be sellers given the behavior exemplified >> the whole case for roku is look, we know the world is generally going in their direction. and they're one of the rare pure place on a new way of getting your entertainment the barricade is tivo was that as well. it was a great functionally, but as a product, it had a certain shelf life >> not to mention the valuation of roku. >> there you go. >> it's a little high. >> they are giving them the benefit of the doubt today, 26% gain, that puts nearly at 24 bucks. dennis, stephanie, thank you both very much >> thank you. >> still more earnings and more
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deals to talk about. shares of at&t and time warner going different ways today amid reports and then a denial that at&t may have to sell cnn or other properties to get that deal done. david favor has the latest, next plus the dow rallying nearly 30% since president trump was elected a year ago today, but how much credit should he really get for the surge? ahead, former mcdonald's ceo ed gives us his presidential report card and hear more of your job interview nightmare stories. contact the show on twitter, facebook, or over e-mail and we're going to read a couple later on closing bell. you're watching cnbc, first in bune wlddesissorwi you always pay your insurance on time. tap one little bumper, and up go your rates. what good is having insurance if you get punished for using it? news flash: nobody's perfect. for drivers with accident forgiveness,
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call, visit, or go to shares are dropping, julia has the full report, julia >> hey kelly i see earnings missing estimates versus expectations of 83 cents per share, both revenues beat estimates, revenues of $828 million versus estimates of $810 million in the quarter the stock is trading down nearly 2.5%, but it is on light volume, back over o to you >> thank you julia, let's get over to elf beauty, courtney reagan has those numbers for us. >> here's elf beauty's third
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quarter results. earnings of 17 cents adjusted, did beat of six cents. revenues beating estimates at 71.9 million, excuse me, 71.9 million, the streak was looking for 68.5 million now, eyes, lip, face did increase their full year earnings guidance, however, most of it's captured in this quarter, so now it's actually implied weaker full year earnings guidance, the revenue guidance is in fact weaker so you're seeing shares here for eyes, lip, face, beauty, or elf beauty drop more than 5% on these results. kelly. >> all right, that helps explain it, courtney, thank you. don't miss an interview with the ceo tomorrow at 11:00 a.m. on "squawk alley. we'll hear more what's going on with the company new details on the deal, or not between at&t and time warner let's bring in david favor david. >> thanks, yeah, it's been an extraordinary day in terms of
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developments in the doj's ongoing review, of course of at&t's plan to buy time warner the news we've gotten today, we've reported and others have as well as the doj is now at the point of asking for structural remedies to allow this deal to go ahead not behavioral remedies, i'll goat more on that in a moment. the structural remedies include a request that at&t, if 2 does buy time warner, either divest it's directv unit or the acquired, what would be acquired turner broadcasting unit of time warner that unit, of course, includes cnn, which as we well know has been a target of president trump for quite some time. why this would be the case now well, it was unclear it was knowledge september sources tellme that the two sides were very close, days away they thought from a deal under which there would be consent decree what we call a behavioral remedy nor deal of some kind that would have perhaps solved any concerns about competition or allowing
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programming to only be delivered on certain parts of at&t's service, but that one out the window and seems to have perhaps gone away when the full-time anti-trust chief was appointed, megan del raheem came into the job things changed and deteriorated in terms of the continued conversations and negotiations between at&t and the government over this deal. interesting to go back though and listen to mr. del raheem himself when he was still a professor in an interview that he gave to canada's business news network, in which he discussed his view at the time of whether this deal would pass anti-trust muster. take a listen. >> i anticipate that the fcc will have little, if any role, andit would be a pure anti-trust it shouldn't be, you know, just
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the sheer size of it and the fact that it's media i think will get a lot of attention, however, i don't see this as a major anti-trust problem >> well, apparently that view seems to have changed. now today, later in the day, we got a back and forth as well that's important to give some context to it. it appears that cnn, the news division itself of course or cnn itself was reporting a source at the doj telling them that the doj had actually rejected an offer by at&t to divest cnn. and so at&t decided to immediately ra but the that in a public statement to us and others, until now we've never commented on our discussions with the department of justice, but given doj's statement, and it wasn't a statement, but it was that report this afternoon, it's important to set the record straight they went on to say throughout this process, i, and that is randal stevenson never oured to sell cnn and have no intention
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of doing so. it's important to put this in perspective in terms of how unusual this opposition to the deal would be. were they to take it to court. yes, they always of course are looking at what would be something that substantially lessens competition. vertical integration of this time, well it hasn't been opposed in at least as much as 40 years by the doj. certainly was never expected to be opposed by seth or time warner but that is where we find ourselves now. the possibility certainly that the doj will have to prove it's case in court and the willingness it seems of at&t to do that, of course, what that will mean is, at the very least, a significant delay, and that's why you're seeing time warner's stock get that lacked today, and of course the risk arbiters who invest in companies like that and try and take advantage of that spread between the price and where the stock is at that time, also getting hurt very badly by this unexpected turn of events, back to you. >> dramatic one, david, thank you very much. time warner shares down 6.5%
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today and at&t ceo's randal stevenson will be on power lunch tomorrow we'll see if he can add additional context to what's going on there for more on this story, we're joined by porter bib from capital partners and joseph flint from the wall street journal. welcome to you both. porter, what do you think about this deal potentially being blocked? should at&t just say, all right, fine, we don't need directv? >> there is very little chance that the justice department would ever win in court. i want to know why randal hasn't called david or a top, top, top lawyer whose gone against the government and won this is not a serious case from the perspective of the justice department >> porter, if it's not a serious case, then why is it happening >> well, you can't stop the justice department from saying if you don't do this or do that, we're going to actually take it to court and it's up to at&t to decide
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how to respond the irony is that this is a vertical integration combination, there is no competition, there's no threat to the consumer, if at&t were actually ever to divest cnn, which is unlikely, they already have cnn on directv. so there is no consequence in what the justice department is claiming right now there's no real conflict and i have yet to see any sensible, logical reason to block this transaction it's political >> porter, granting that in fact that it does seem that way that there isn't a kind of textbook precedent for blocking this type of a deal, in theory, you could come up with some kind of an argument, where mobile video watching, at&t has a tremendous hold on a huge share of that market if they can privilege their own content through those
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devices, et cetera, you know where i'm going with this, basically you have to say the world has changed therefore the rule has changed >> the media landscape is in a tote disarray right now. and it's never going to be the same again, you're absolutely right. it's all video, it's all mobile. television, and wired cable is five years from now going to be history. so at&t does not have a monopoly in wireless or in any form of cellar distribution. they are competing a major player with verizon and with sprint and t-mobile, but there's no case that you can make for monopoly or anybody, consumers or otherwise, being infringed upon >> okay. joseph, let me draw attention to shares of 21st century fox which just reported earnings with, they're moving higher now, and dennis berman who i think you know was raising the question of look, if the murdoch family is now selling assets, perhaps they see that they're going to be
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less valuable going forward, what do you think about a possible deal to disney and how this reflects back on the at&t/time warner issue too >> well, couple things i do think obviously that fox is sort of put a sale sign out on it's biggest assets and certainly would seem to indicate, perhaps, that going forward, they believe the bigger, the safer bets are in news and in sports the assets they want to hold on to and from the disney side, i can see why they want more content, they are aggressively trying to move into the streaming business to better compete against the netflix' of the world and the more content they have, the better that is that said, i too am also struck though as a long time follower of the murdochs and covering 21st century fox that this goes everything the company has been against over all these years it marks a seismic shift in their thoughts on the media world and their role in it >> porter, would you you say that we could see a reshuffling still of these media assets in terms of what disney ends up
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acquiring, what at&t does? >> the disney fox deal fell apart over price and terms but as everybody has commented, rupert murdoch and fox are sellers right now. he wants to hold on to his broadcast network, the fox news, fox business, and fox sports, because that gives him the political leverage that he doesn't have without those properties but the biggest, the biggest incident in rupert's change of heart and change of mind is the fact that the british regulators are not going to approve fox's buying the 60-odd present of this they have basically declared that fox may not be a fit and proper owner of a broadcast news medi medium and that i think was the instant that put rupert murdoch on the sales block. >> gentlemen, thank you both joining us on a big week for media deals. >> it certainly is a big week.
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time now for a cnbc news update, let's get over to sue herrara. sue. >> here's what's happening at this hour everyone a former boston tv news anchor says kevin spacey sexual assaulted her teenaged son at a nan tuskt restaurant in 2015 heather telling reporters her son didn't report the assault at the time because he was embarrassed, but she says she filed a report with police last week >> kevin spacey bought him drink after drink after drink, and when my son was drunk, spacey made his move and sexual assaulted him. i've been wanting to make it clear, this was a criminal act >> carl ikhan was subpoenaed by the u.s. attorney's office, seeking information pertaining to his activities relating to the renewable fuels standard, and his role as an advisor to the president and they're looking at possible conflict of
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interest the company says it is cooperating with the requests. las vegas has become the first city in america to have a self-driving shuttle operating in realtime traffic. but take a look at that picture, unfortunately on it's first day of service, it collided with a semitruck. no reports of injuries, but not a good start the shuttle is set to run in a continuous loop downtown hopefully more smoothly next time that's the news update that the hour, kelly, back to you >> soif many questions thank you very much, sue sue herrara. time now for the takeaway. we begin today with apple on the verge of becoming the world's first company to be worth $900 billion. michael, i've been skeptical this could be achieved seemed like any time exxon or apple in the past would get to this size and cut back down again, but if this is going to be a new threshold, is it anything for investors to be worried about? >> i wouldn't say worried, i would definitely say it's a mark on the way up to levels we haven't seen before, although inflation adjusted basis,
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adjusted for the size of the overall stock market, we've kind of been close to here before, you take a look at microsoft, i think it's interesting given the type of company apple is, still very hard-oriented, still kind of short product cycles. that's why the valuation of apple is not bigger on a priced earnings basis, earnings went flat for two years from apple as they were between these big launches, but they keep buying back stock and they're making it hard for the market to get them up toward that trillion dollar mark >> nevertheless, they go in alphabet, we'll see if they are next apple isn't just standing still either, it's just launched apple paycheck and bethat in the latest ios the ease of paying directly in the messaging app could be a threat to square cash, china's messaging giants my question, should investors in those competitors be nervous about this launch? >> i don't know if they should be nervous right now i think one thing to keep in mind is apple's market share in smart phones it's still a small minority of total global smart phone
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it's not as if everybody is going to pay this way is going to do it only in a closed loop with apple but clearly there's a tlask these companies become kind of a feature in somebody else's product as opposed to a business of their own >> perhaps ones that are more pure play like square, like that opposed to the messages giants >> square of course lies the small business focus >> that's true >> it has more going on. and i think when it comes to vin mo, they're not monitoring it active, they have to do something beyond the straight peer to peer payments. >> square shares down 3% after hours, and finally shares of dunkin donuts after panera agreed to buy it panera agreed to sell back in the spring, and they would reunite them, but does it leave dunkin on the sidelines? they had been a possible rumor takeover >> it's fascinating because this is a realtime experiment in what the market is looking for to make a stock work. so you had some kind of chatter out there that panera is going
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to buy another coffee chain, and bit up dunkin and didn't happen. it showed yo a shaken faith until business, in dunkin's own business they had to put -- >> pull back on stores. >> oversaturated probably in cheap coffee throughout, and franchises i mean, it's going to franchise business, really not a coffee. >> it did make me chuckle on the day the journal did a whole story on too many coffee shops again, tough day for dunkin donuts roku doing well after hours. better than expected earnings and coming up, we will discuss whether you should buy this beaten down stock in i guess relative to the first ipo pod after hours. stay with us stay with me, mr. parker. when a critical patient is far from the hospital, the hospital must come to the patient. stay with me, mr. parker. the at&t network is helping first responders connect with medical teams in near real time... stay with me, mr. parker. ...saving time when it matters most.
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plans. mar marriott can still connect cruise lines and airlines grandfathered in companies can not do business at the port which is a special economic zone that cuba established to try to attract foreign investment all of these policies are designed to try and drive money toward a very small private sector that does exist in cuba, pushing people to stay perhaps in private homes that you rent on airbnb instead of at government-owned hotels. kelly. >> all right michelle, thank you. michelle cabrera it's ban year since donald trump was elected as president up next, former mcdonald's ceo ed rensi says what grades he gives trump when we come back. feel that? that's the beat of global markets, the rhythm of the world. but to us, it's the pace of tomorrow. with ingenuity, technologies, and markets expertise
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they also cannot add to the deficit after ten years. so kelly, this is really an example of a case where the process is driving the policy. back to you. >> i don't know what's going to happen tomorrow and the days ahead when we start to get their version of this, thank you we'll be keen to see what does play out former mcdonald's ceo ed rensi joins us for the one year anniversary of his election, mr. rensi, thank you again for joining us you want to start with jobs. >> happy to be here. >> how do you think he's doing >> well, i think overall he's doing pretty well. he's only been functioning for ten months, i think the first five months were a disaster in getting his staff in place i think he's got two great generals working for him now in kelly and mathis i think internationally, he's doing an outstanding job, strategically, i think he's doing an outstanding job communications wise, he's sometimes inarticulate and blurts things on the twitter and
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calm down and be more quiet than he is. he's learning the job and the thing i love about him the most, he's not a politician. and republicans and democrats alike better start paying attention to the strategy the man's putting forward because, he is a strategist, he's not going to play the silly political games. >> so we sere here on your report card, you give him a c on communication and a in international relations and a in strategy now the strategy is the very thing critics take issue with, what do you think he's doing that's so effective there? >> like any great ceo he has got an overarching strategy that says make america great again. and he's not an apoll gist like obama. he's telling the international community very clearly, don't mess with us we want fair trade and that's in quote. fair we want balance, we want thoughtful trade all of us have got to win, but nobody can win all the time. he's a deal maker. he's reestablished the strength
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of the u.s. military and given those guys a green light to do what they need to do to make u.s. military a great force of protecting our freedoms. so, he's pretty good at all of those kinds of strategic things. i wish that people would understand, you know, the conversation about virginia and new jersey the thing that everybody's missing in that -- >> you're referring to the wins last night where democrats won the governorships. >> you bet there are overthinking that dramatically, in my opinion, because the blue collar workers that were democrats that supported trump are all about jobs they're all about their family's security, that's the reason why this tax plan as part of his strategy has got to be dealt with it's the legislative bodies that must do that, and you know, i hear this business about well they're worried about how they're going to pay for it. they haven't worried about the deficit for the last 12 years, why are they starting now? good tax plan in place -- >> if they want to pass it
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without needing 60 senators -- >> they need to start doing the right thing instead of worrying about getting reelected. or -- you can't satisfy everybody. there's going to be pain in that tax bill for a lot of people and there's going to be benefit for more people. it's going to be create jobs, that's what we've got to focus on >> so last question for you, before we go, your grade for him on the economy and on jobs is -- >> b who knows. talk to me in a year >> all right incomplete ed rensi, thanks for joining us. >> glad to be here coming up, roku soaring more than 20% after hours we will break down the earnings release, 26% gain, we'll see where the stock could be headed next, right after this [ keyboard clacking ]
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shares of roku were sagging all day ahead of the company's first earnings report since going public in september. when the earnings came in, what a jump, up about 24% dan rayburn is principal analyst at frost and sullivan. what do you think of the results? >> they did a good job a couple of key things for investors who have the stock short term, over the last 2 years, 40% of the revenue has come in q4, obviously the holiday seasons. so we have to keep an eye on q4. the second thing is, the competition is fierce, amazon, apple, google, chrome cast roku has done a good job of being an independent, standalone box. but they have to become a platform company you have to look at the ad sales. how much revenue are they getting from content they're
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putting on the platform? >> it sounds like you're saying they have to compete against apple and google and amazon. and can they >> it's a good question. it's a difficult for them in the sense that they don't own an ecosystem. what does amazon own a commerce company, they own hardware, browsers same with google and apple roku doesn't own an ecosystem. they have to make money, two things, one, internationally we have to watching that growth. the second is a movie channel of their own, and that competes with the content onne eowners t come across their box. >> my question is, ultimately, what are the virtues of being this independent box third party, where you're trying to knit together a bundle >> what's the value of roku, why is roku in the market today when
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there are so many choices in content and platforms? when is the smart tv going to take over and people start using the functionality of the smart tv rather than standalone boxes? >> here comes roku as an outsid outsider >> i sense and some of the others, t lchcl, they're on sonn visio, some of those have decided to go with video >> that is a high bar, but again, strong afterearnings reaction dan, thanks for giving us stuff to think about, dan rayburn. we asked you about some of your worst job interview experiences. cnbc premiers the b jointerview,
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a bunch of movers after hours, 21st century fox up 1.5%,
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iac down a half a percent, roku up 23% cnbc prime takes a look at "the job interview," premiering tonight at 10:00 p.m. eastern. lisa e-mails, the interview was going well until the interviewer asked me how many children i was going to have. i said i didn't know it was clear i was not going to work for these membership. jeff says, the jobs were filled and they didn't tell me. cindy tweets, i am just terrible at interviewing. my very first boss figured that out and hired me at four different companies. i love that one. >> a happy ending. >> the interview is such a microcosm. i'm not sure, it's a very difficult thing. >> a good manage has to be able to see through that, that
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performance aspect i must say, lisa has a lawsuit, how many children you have >> it's true, that's a big no-no. >> i had a bad one but i ended up getting the job, my first job after college. they forced us to do an interview as if i was a reporter to interview the boss. >> they still gave you the job that's what i'm saying, i'm not sure there's much more anguish you can watch on "the job interview" tonight. we've had huge movers but some huge overhangs because of these deals that might be happening in the media space. 21st century fox up 1.5% >> the way they position their pot tour, whether they think they need to get bigger. but the at&t/time warner stuff, if it plays out the way it's
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being reported right now, it's surprise that go the broader market didn't take it harder >> you think they think it's not arbitrary, just political? >> just strictly this one company, that could very well be the case >> all right michael, thank you, as always. we're glad you were hired here too. that does it for "closing bell." "fast money" starts right now. "fast money" starts right now. live from the nasdaq market site overlooking new york city's time square i'm melissa lee. tonight on "fast," one hot stock is cooling off, square, following a huge run this year we'll hear from ceo jack dorsey. plus it's judgment day for retail shares of department stores have been sinking on their earnings reports. we'll tell you how bad it can get and the one name that can buck the trend later, it's been


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