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governor signed it. already supporters and detractors are promising a battle that could go all of the way to the u.s. supreme court. a couple of things in the new alabama law and the mandates that are drawing criticism, it is a crime in alabama to knowingly give a ride to anyone who is in the state illegally. also, public schools must now collect documentation to determine every student's legal status. now, on top of this, also, the provisions in other states does allow police officers who make a lawful stop to check the immigration status of those people who they do stop, and alabama joining arizona, georgia, utah and indiana by enacting harsh and tough measures to crackdown on the illegal immigration. we have two guests for you right now. one of them is a mayor who supports alabama's new law, a hispanic activist who says it will harm the state's enconmy, and let me begin with mayor lindsey lions, one town at the center of the heart of the
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alabama debate, and sir, we appreciate your being here, so tell me and the viewers, what problem in albertville, i guess, will be involved ein the new la? >> than yk you, t.j., for havin me on the program. when we talk about this immigration law, and a lot of them deal with the crime issues related to that. we have an overburdened medical and public facilities where we educate the children in the p public schools, but you know, the bill that has passed now that the governor has signed, i'm very proud of. i believe that we have the toughest bill in the country now with a lot of expertise and advice from the pre-eminent lawyer that deals with illegal immigration chris kovac, and i'm proud of that. >> well, mr. mayor, back to the original question, what problem with this bill helps to solve
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and i want to speak specifically to your community, but you have 24,000 people population in your town, and of that number, how many do you believe and i know it is hard to get numbers, but how many do you estimate are in your town illegally? >> 5,000. >> and 5,000 to 6,000, and so what problem is being created in your community that you believe that the bill will correct? >> it is a job creator, t.j. we have a diverse wide array of industry here, but we have a lot of poultry industry here as well. >> yes, sir. >> and you know, over the years what this has done is when they found the illegal immigrant workforce, cheap workforce, you know, the industry survived way before that, okay. and but what it enabled the industry to do is to expand in more plants would put roots here in albertville, alabama, to because they knew they could get that work fost.
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a what is this bill going to do for us? it will impact the crime issues due to drug trafficking. we have had six brothels in the community that have come with this, and traffic congestion and lack of driving knowledge with these immigrants to where we have had numerous incidents of hit-and-run accidents. >> when you say immigrants the thing to refer to is that you believe it is totally attributable to and you are blaming the illegal immigrant population? >> well, a vast majority of the traffic incidents are with these people who are here illegally in the country. >> sir, where do you get the number, 5,000, and there is 8,000 population hispanic the community, but you believe that a majority of them are there illegal illegally? >> well, i will tell you this, and that is a conservative number, t.j. >> yes, sir. >> but i have from a ri liable source in the public hospital here in marshall county, we do know this over 50% of the births are attributed to immigrants and
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of those births over 95% of those are to illegal parents. >> now, sir, do you think that this illeg leeague immigration population according to up to 5,000 of your number, do you believe they bring any good to your community? are they contributing anything positive to your community at all? >> well, sure. you can't paint the whole population with a broad brush, okay. and certainly some economic value and some value there to the immigrants that want to come into america and learn and get acclimated to our culture and way of life and the social networks and get the good education for the children, okay. so there is some positive effects for it, you know, but, you know, i see this and i hear the criticism and the detractors and they have a right to say how they feel, but on the other hand, you know, we have a right and moral responsibility to protect our citizens and our quality of life as well. >> mr. mayor, i have to let you go on this, because i want to
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ask, because like you say, this conversation can sometimes go in a nasty direction with two sides pitted against each other, but this is one of the things that the poultry producers in your community attributed to saying, and i'm quoting here, they would love to hire white people or anybody able to work rather than hispanics and saying that white people have actually gotten too lazy to work. do you believe there is any truth to that statement in that you hear all of the time and oftentimes that you hear that the illegal limmigrants are doig work that people won't do? are you hearing from statements from the poultry producers that quote white people are too lazy to do this type of work? >> i e beliebelieve that is a c and i don't believe to that statement and maybe a smidgeon of truth, because you have lazy individuals in any nationality, but i don't agree with that. >> mayor lyons, we appreciate your coming on and this law is going into effect in september,
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and we will talk to you again. appreciate your time, sir. >> i want to turn to elizabeth rubio, the group of immigration leaguization in alabama, and i'm not sure how familiar you are with albertville, but if he has 8,000 hispanic population and 5,000 are there illegally, is that a problem? >> well, t.j., thank you for the opportunity to be here today. we have an immigration problem in our state and our nation, but this is not a problem that we can solve that we are equipped to solve at the state level. we need to use this effort and push this back to the federal government where we have elected people to represent us there, and deal with this issue at that level. it is simple as that. >> i hear that often and the next thing that comes out of my mouth is that, well, the federal government has not done anything about it in quite some time, so why not? what are the states supposed to do if they do believe that the illegal immigrations, and the
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pockets and not all are, but some are causing a strain on the community, and can they really afford the sit around and wait, and wait and wait? >> well, the issue, t.j., is can we afford at the state level to do something? in our state, we have severe budget issues like many other states. we are asking both law enforcement officials and education officials to take on added burdens when we know that budgets in law enforcement de m departments are slashed left and right and they don't have the capacity to do what they are supposed to do at the basic level and also asking our school ofir officials to take on this added responsibility when it is not in their responsibility. so i understand the frustration, but at the end of the day, this is a federal issue that really must remain in washington, and not in the state capital and in state capitals around the kun t count
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country. >> and ma'am, is there a point to be made as well, and think they you say that it will hurt alabama'sing ing a ragricultura, and take a bill out in alabama versus if you take out the illegal immigrant workforce that frees up a job that a lot of people would need right now. >> well, i don't think that we are talking about just jobs that might become available. i think that we have to look at the overall impact of the message we send about who alabama is outside of the state lines across the nation and across the world. and with the recent, you know, we have a lot of automobile manufacturers in alabama and second-tier industries come here to support that work and can we sustain recruiting people from across the globe alabama when we are saying that we only want certain kinds of people in our state? this bill is regressive and it really slaps in the face of all of the work that has been done around civil rights over the last 50 years. >> ma'am, would you say this
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this country, that state alabama in particular needs the illegal immigrant population? i think that immigrants are an important part of the economy in all states. >> what about illegal im immigrants? >> well, i'm not going to -- i don't distinguish between undocumented and or illegal immigrants and people. >> there has to be a distinction between those who are here legally and those who are not, don't you agree? >> could you repeat the question? >> well, we have to make a distinction between the people who are here legally and those who are not? >> well, we need immigration reform and that is a whole separate issue from the jobs issue. if you look at the jobs that are done by immigrants, you know, we can't lay at the feet of the immigrant the fact that he might be working for less than somebody else, because that's not the fault of the immigrant. that responsibility lies at the person who hired him. so, you know, when we think about who is taking jobs, it is
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really not so much who is taking jobs, but who is giving jobs away for a lower price. i think that's a question that is not being asked enough. and you know, if we look across our country, you know, i don't know if you saw the movie "a day without a mexican" but let's try to go a day without the immigrant workforce in our whole country and see what happens. >> well, i keep trying to make the distinction is one that you don't want to make between an illeg leeague workforce -- ille workforce and legal immigrant workforce. i know i will talk to you down the road, because this story is not going anywhere. thank you, elizabeth rubio. >> thank you. a lot more to drill down in the new law in alabama. so we sent rafael romo on the way now, one of our friends here on cnn saturday and sunday morning who will be joining us this weekend and we will be hit on this all weekend and again the bill was signed into law
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this week, so a lot of reaction to get. make sure you come back to us cnn saturday and sunday morning as always starting at 6:00 a.m. starting tomorrow. but coming up here, casey anthony breaking down in court once again. what made the mom who is accused of killing her 2-year-old daughter cry even harder today than she did yesterday? and of course, the drama outside the courtroom today. people lining up, and we are used to seeing people line up to go see the latest harry potter movie or tickets to see justin bieber, but people lining up to get into a murder trial? we will tell you why police had to be called in. that is next. they're made from whole roasted nuts and dipped in creamy peanut butter, making your craving for a sweet & salty bar irresistible, by nature valley.
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all right. well, the casey anthony murder trial reaching a new level of gruesome as some might say. anthony appeared to sob and comforted by a lawyer as one expert testified about the remains of her 2-year-old daughter, caylee. a forensic pathologist said that animals had chewed on caylee anthony's bones, and this afternoon the medical examiner testified that the death was no accident. >> base in this particular case based on everything that you is seen, the photographs, the skeleton, itself, do you have an opinion as to the manner of death in this case? >> yes. >> what is that opinion? >> homicide.
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>> all right. meanwhile, look at this here. courtroom spectators are looking up and they could not turn away from the monitors of the courtroom as they displayed pictures of the little girl's remains. we showed you the lines of the people who show up to become one of the 50 or so spectators to be allowed in. but this morning the fight for a seat got out of control when some people tried to cut in line. look at this. [ inaudible ]. >> all right. authorities had to be called in and a few people were kicked out of line when they refused to cooperate. i want to bring in a human behavior expert wendy walswalsh. you are a human behavior expert, so tell me what is wrong with these folks? nay line up and fight and be aggressive to fight to get in to be a part of this? >> so morbid and gruesome but no worse than the middle ages when
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people used to rush to the coliseum to see public hangings or lion fights. there is another thing, t.j. weley in leive in a world where media is expansive and the reality television integrating with real life is that everyone wants to star in the reality show even if if it is a flash of them running across the news to get a seat. >> are you telling me that some of the people are there because they might get their 15 minutes of fame? >> they might get their 15 minutes of fame, but more importantly, they will be witness to casey anthony's, you know, couple of months' fame, and that makes them feel part of the story, and integrated in a real way. >> and okay. when did we get to this point? you brought up the first point like you mentioned used to go to the colosseums and go see things happen in rome, but when did we as a society get to this place? we remember when we could not turn away from the tv watching
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the o.j. trial, but was that a marker to get us to this place or still that the media has changed this thing in so much? >> well, the media has gotten bigger than ever, but still not as big as o.j. remember, t.j., it was wall to wall coverage for all of the networks. i was a news anchor and i covered that trial, and it was bigger because of the fame involved, but here we have the ingredients and sex and promiscuous young mother, and murder and lies and dysfunctional family and people love to eat that up. >> and we all oftentimes and i think that i have a live picture there if i am showing you, guys, correct me if i'm wrong, because that is live pictures of inside of the courtroom that you are looking at, and wendy, wow, look at those people in line and look at those people running to get a ticket, but those people, and is this quite frankly in us all? >> i think that there is a piece of it in all of us. why do you think that when you logon to the internet they have
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these kinds of salacious headlines that make you want to click right away? they know to grab that emotional charge from people, and it will make them hit the keyboard. i have noticed another trend in the casey anthony trial, t.j. on facebook, many people are changing the profile pictures to a picture of the slain toddler. >> what! >> as if to keep the memory alive and i have been facebook friended this week and their picture is a picture of caylee. you know, people are really feeling this is a vulnerable thing, a child murdered? what are we really but all innocent vulnerable little children and now wrapped up in adult bodies and we feel great empathy for this little girl. it is a terrible tragedy and brings fear up in us. >> well, wendy, we appreciate your giving us the perspective as only you can, and it is a good talk on a morbid story. appreciate it, and you have a good weekend. >> you, too, t.j. and 40 minutes from now, i am going to be talking to one of
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those people that wendy and i were just talking about. one of the folks in line, talk to her why she was fighting to get a seat inside of there and ask her why she wanted in so badly? that is coming up in about 40 minutes. and we have been waiting years for this. thousands of e-mails sarah palin sent and received as governor of alaska. they were just released and we will tell you what they are saying. we will go through them, but first, listen to this. >> oh, god, just jitters. i just, oh, it is magnificent i think. >> that is just one of the many people lining the streets today as that miracle on the hudson plane made a final voyage to a museum this time though. that is next. ♪ ♪
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hello. i want to get you caught up on some of the stories making headlines. sarah palin's e-mail life right there. it is now public. some 24,000 pages you are looking at there. that is cnn's drew griffin wheeling some of the six boxes of paperwork that the state of alaska released two hours ago. he has been going through the mountain of information. and he is looking through it all for us right now, and he will join us in the next hour to give us some of the few tidbits of what he is finding already. and also, bean stroprouts f a farm in germany causing the
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deadly e. coli outbreak there. and that is coming from a top official who says that tests have yet to confirm the link. but those questioned say they ate sprouts and they had eaten the sprouts from the particular farm. the death toll has climbed to 31 and 23,000 people have been sick. and the miracle on the hudson plane arrived at the final destination today. carolina's aviation museum in charlotte, north carolina. hundreds of people actually lined the streets as the truck hauled the fuselage south from new york with the rig supporting the 2300-foot long train required a specially constructed trailer for the trip, and social media got involved. the entire trip was documented by the museum on twitter and facebook. well, coming up next, he is on a roll. we will tell you who the outgoing defense secretary robert gates is criticizing and why it is a big deal. and a small window for firefighters in arizona. they are fighting a fire right
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now that is bigger than los angeles.
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well, could this be the break that the firefighters have been hoping for? those erratic winds that have been spreading the flames from the massive fire dying down now? they are expecting it to be fairly calm for a while, is that right, chad meyers? >> that is true, sir. >> how much will this help? h. >> well, even if you have 24 to 48 hours. the fireline is so large that the miles of fire that you have burning so large that they are up to 5% containment now. out of 100%. that was uncontained yesterday.
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so, they have a long way to go, and even if a day like today and a morning like today and the department of this morn, it was so thick, and it was firing still burning, but the winds weren't blowing at all and you could not get planes in there at all, because the smoke was over the fire line, so that the planes were sitting on the tarmac saying, yeah, we can't fly in this and we can't see the fire or the smoeshand we can't , and this is in tough terrain and we need to see the mountaintops, so that the planes need to have wind to blow the smoke away, and the firefighters on the ground don't want any wind at all, because the wind is oxygen blowing like a big billow. >> they have essentially not getting anywhere with the winds the way they have been in the past several days, have they been essentially out there trying to contain the damage versus actually trying to get somewhere and contain the actual fire? >> they have been trying to stop structures from burning in eager and springville and places around there, and they have been doing a fantastic job.
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they have been able to stop homes from burning. that i have been able to stop in a fire line into not getting into towns so far. but trees, and this is a national forest and this is going to burn for a very long time, and we may be sitting here a month from now still talking about 65% or 75% containment by then. you have well over 300 miles of fire. i don't care how many men and women you have on the line, but with 300 miles of fire, you can't put it out with a shovel. >> how big is the window? >> 36 hours. >> and like chad said it is 5% contained, but in addition to fighting the fla ing thing the firefighters have another difficult task telling the homeowners whether their homes are still there. we have jim spelman in apache county joining us, and i don't
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know if you heard chad myers saying they have a window to get something done. >> yes, they are taking full advantage of of it, t.j., out there with heavy equipment with the bulldozers and the backfires to start the fire with the fuel so when it approaches the towns, it doesn't have anything to burn, but has a buffer zone, and yesterday the low winds allowed a dc-10 supertanker to drop three tanks of retardant on it, but today a 180 today, with the low winds and the backfires they have created are allowing them to do aerial ignitions which is fascinating. they have a helicopter packed with things about the size of a ping-pong ball full of chemicals that will burn and swoop into a valley and drop a whole load of these things and create a fire there that will go back away from the towns and not towards the towns so that when mother nature brings the head of the fire towards the town, there is nothing there. so they can use the tools with winds lower and plus less things
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to feed the fire. >> that is cool they are using everything at their disposal and give me the update on evacuations, and structures they are trying to save and the update there. >> sure. the two main towns here springerville, and eager are still evacuated and greer, arizona, two days ago the worst day for the fire and the fire got behind the firefighters and 22 homes there destroyed. it is a beautifulf part of the country. those people are being notified today, and it is off the job for any of the fire folks to have to go tell people their homes are lost, but right now, we have a status update an hour ago and they are not going to let anybody back into the townseven though the lines are holding until they feel it is safe for them to come back in, because it will be through the weekend, t.j. >> jim spell man, thank you so much. and chad myers, they are not expecting rain out there -- >> for a month.
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well, some strong words from outgoing defense secretary robert gates after a farewell
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visit to afghanistan he stopped at nato headquarters and told the allies that the organization faced a dim if not dismal, end quote, future and even military irrelevance. he singled out missions in afghanistan and libya as sore spots where other members of nato were unwilling or unable to carry out the agreed missions. the problem, gates said, that some nato countries want the benefits of membership, but they don't want to share in the risks and the costs. listen now to gates speaking to the a think-tank in brussels. >> the blunt reality is that there is dwindling appetite and patience in the united states congress and in the american body politic writ large. to expand precious funds on behalf of nations who are apparently unwilling to devote the necessary resources or make the necessary changes to be serious and capable partners in their own defense. nations apparently willing and eager for american taxpayers to assume the growing security
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burden left by reductions in european defense budgets. now, gates and his predecessors have struggleded to get nato partners to pony up for missions they have agreed to take on, but this is first time that a u.s. defense secretary has given a stark warning to nato allies, and gates, of course, retiring at the end of the month, and president obama has nominated current cia director leon panetta to succeed gates. so this was so disturbing to you that you could not actually do the procedure? >> i couldn't do it. i couldn't do it for a kid. i did it for young guys and for rebels in the front line, but i couldn't do it to her. >> a doctor in libya talking about amputating the leg of a 5-year-old girl. we will hear from the spunky young girl who also lost two siblings. that is next. but first in today's "human factor" it has been 30 years sincet the first published
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report on the disease known as hiv aids. in the report our chief medical correspondent sanjay gupta writes about a pioneer who for three decades has championed the rights for people living around the world with the disease. >> welcome to san francisco, and enjoy the stay. >> great to meet you. it is an honor, actually. >> reporter: on the streets of san francisco, cleave jones is often treated like a celebrity. but 30 years ago on these same streets in the city's castro district, jones and other gay men were living with the nightmare of a new disease that had no name. >> by 1985, almost everybody i knew was dead or dying. we lost 20,000 people in this town. >> reporter: this deadly disease finally got a name, human immunodeficiency virus, hiv, the virus that causes aids. this is long before the days of any life-saving drug cocktails and for victims of the disease
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chances of survival were slim. >> we cried every day for ten years in this neighborhood. we buried loved ones every week in the neighborhood. >> reporter: cleave was determined to bring attention to what was happening. in 1983 he co-founded the san francisco aids foundation. four years later, he stitched the first panel of the aids quilt in this very building. that panel was for his best friend, marvin feldman. >> we wanted to reveal the humanity behind the statistics and we wanted to show that every single one of these people mattered. >> reporter: in 1985, he was diagnosed with hiv. eight years later, he had full-blown aids. >> i was very sick for a long time. and -- i did not think that i would live. we have a meeting at 4:30 -- >> reporter: but he survived with the antiviral retro drug, and he says he is feeling fine and still an activist fighting for the rights of san francisco
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well, a rocket attack in misrata, libya, and the house all but destroyed and the story all too common in libya's civil war, but there's a face of the story now that we really want you to see. the face of a 5-year-old girl whose brother and sister were killed in the blast. she survived, but lost her right leg. i want you now to watch this from our sara sidner. >> why? >> reporter: 5-year-old girl is cranky, because she just woke up from a nap. i used to be able to play and run around she says, but for her, life will never be the same again. at the height of the siege of misrata, a rocket almost certainly fired by pro gadhafi forces blasted through her mother's bedroom wall and left this massive hole.
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milac and her brother and 3-year-old sister were asleep insooide she says they had toys and they are still there. the mother says i lifted them up one after another, and please, god, give me patient. i found her alive, but the other two looked dead. they were dead. they were wrapped in white sheets on the hospital floor as doctors tried to save maalac. her left arm was broken and her right arm fractured, but the left leg was ripped to shreds from the knee to the thigh. >> it was almost totally amputate and just some skin keeping it attached. >> reporter: the doctor made the decision to amputate, but he could not go through with it
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himself. >> reporter: so this was so disturbing for you, that you could not do it? >> right. i did it for guys and rebels at the front line, but not to her. >> reporter: so he asked two other doctors to perform the amputation, and they all knew that even when she heals, the hospital does not have a prosthesis that would fit a child. dr. akmad is in touch with a global relief fund to get her in touch with a country that will fit her for one. and for now, this once little active girl who liked to play and climb and slide and giggle is bound to a wheelchair after being bed rid ghen tridden in t for weeks. though she has grown attached to the staff there, she is sick and tired of living there. i think that the hospital is bad and i want to leave, she says frustrated. for the month she has been in the hospital she has been asking again and again to come to the beach, and she is getting the
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wish, but the parents and the doctors and the nurses have another dream for her, and they are hoping that she will be able to travel to a country to give her the best treatment ever so that she can run and play like she used to. sara sidner, cnn, misrata, li a libya. >> we are getting news just in here. it is about the tsa and dozens of screenerers in trouble at a major airport that many of you will be going through this summer travel season. all of the details are next. ♪ you love money ♪ well, you know i love it too ♪ ♪ i work so hard at my job ♪ and then i bring it home to you ♪ ♪ i love money in my pocket
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well, a number of tsa screeners are in trouble. i want to bring in our homeland security correspondent jeanne meserve, and these tsa screenerers going to lose jobs? >> that is what it looks like. we reported in march that hundreds of bags at honolulu international airport were not screened properly and not screened 100% for possible explosives before they were loaded into the holds of passenger jets. the tsa has investigated and now says that 36 screeners and supervisors and managers may be fired as a result of their investigation. they say that this happened in one location, at one shift at
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the airport, and we know that they even were administering polygraph tests to some of the employees to get to the bottom of this, and they say they have now completed the investigation and as i say 36 people's jobs are in jeopardy. they are taking moves to fire them. tsa administrator john pistol made some remarks saying that we will not tolerate employees who in any way compromise the security of the traveling public. to my knowledge, t.j., this is the first mass firing of its kind in the history of t.s.a. back to you. >> well, jeanne meserve with the update, and we will join you next hour on another story with a possible leaker making a deal with the federal government. and we will see you in a little bit. newt gingrich says that the campaign staff left because they did not agree with his vision, but there is a lot of talk today that several staffers may join another potential candidate's. we will work that out next.
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well, if newt gingrich's presidential dreams have evaporated, nobody has told him. this is the morning after his top campaign aides bolted for the door. >> i'll be back in new hampshire on monday. i'll be in california on sunday. the fact is, i'm prepared to go out and campaign very intensely. but i want to campaign on ideas and on solutions and i'm going to do it in a way that brings
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americans together in a large movement. >> now, gingrich is set to appear in the presidential debate in new hampshire. you can see that only right here on cnn. and you can see gingrich clearly not ready to pack it in just yet. so why did his organization campaign implode? strategic differences, at least according to gingrich. >> we'll find out over the next engineer who is right but i believe we live during a time when americans are genuinely frightened for america's future. >> so newt gingrich is not going anywhere but another candidate could be getting into the race. two aides left gingrich to go to governor rick perry.
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>> i think about a lot of things. >> all right. wayne slater, thank you for joining me now. the presidential buzz around rick perry before this mass exodus with gingrich and what is that buzz like now? >> yeah, i think before the exodus, these two allies, really perry's karl rove political confidant was maybe the governor will do it after this news i think there is a consensus here that he is seriously leaning towards wanting to run. let me tell you, just because these guys left, it's not a signal, based on the reporting that i've done inside of the perry camp. not a signal that rick perry is about to announce his running for president.
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what it does is make it a lot easier if he chooses to do so and he's leaning in that direction. >> so how seriously is he thinking about this? i read somewhere where he's been overwhelmed by his reaction and people telling him to run. is he being involved into this race in some way? >> you always hear this kind of stuff, when candidates want to talk about their prospects. the people are breaching and the truth is, the truth is, there are a number of republicans who are unhappy with the shape of the republican field right now. they think that no one in the field has both a combination of fiscal responsibility skills, the budget cutter. the kind of thing that can go against the obama administration and washington about, but also the appeal to religious and social conservatives. the truth is, perry has talked to many of his big donor.
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>> i'm telling you, i'm getting that from inside the rick perry campaign. his office, close confidant to perry told me that the governor's wife himself has said, i would like to you do this. >> you talked about some of the things that he could bring to the race, that maybe republicans don't have in it, with the pool of candidates that they have. what about the personality of rick perry? what would he bring personality-wise, which, as much as we may not like to admit it, that can work to a candidate's favor? >> well, i think there's a plus and a minus here. he is a really charismatic figure. he's a dynamic speaker. he knows how to appeal to social conservatives, tea party voters, those that are going to be important on the issue of the economy. he's a good, good speaker. the problem is, that when he spoke recently at a christian
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gathering in washington, a number of people saw in his mannerisms and texas swagger, aspects of george w. bush and that's the big problem for rick perry right now. does america want another governor from texas in the white house? and i think the jury is out. >> well, i'd like to say, that texas swagger, or whatever it was, it worked for george w. bush a couple of elections, didn't it? one other things, does he still want texas to succeed from the union? >> the governor is trying to distance himself from that. he entertained the idea and made that all part of the anti-washington message. let me tell you, t.j., to the republican primary voters in the iowa caucus and the south carolina primary, that kind of talk works. >> that works. and also it's the day of prayer and fasting that is coming up later this summer that he's trying to put together? >> august 1st. >> does that appeal to people on a larger scale, though? >> that's the real problem.
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it's an appeal to the early primary voters in the republican party and i think inside the perry camp they say he has that kind of appeal to the evangelicals who are so important in the early primary but he would have to make a pivot, should he become the nominee, or vice president nominee, and talk more about his economic performance, the jobs friendly business climate and so forth. that's the kind of thing that general election voters are going to be swayed by, not this social conservative talk that he's talking about now. >> good to talk to you. enjoy your weekend. >> you too. weapon want to end this hour with something that may leave you scratching your head. do you see that right there? it's hot in massachusetts right
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now. but what you are seeing is a big old pile of snow. temperatures have been hovering in the 90s but this pile left over from winter has still yet to fully melt. it's 16 feet wide, 8 feet long, 3 feet high and because it's being insulated around all of that dirt, it could be around until next month sometime. so, yes, snow? june still there. right now we're crossing over the top of the hour. watch this. the case that's captivated the nation. a circus outside the courtroom and drama inside. >> if you cannot control your emotions, i ask you to leave. >> emotional new testimony about caylee anthony's remains. her mother had to breakdown and leave the room. just a week after sarah palin's bus tour, we're learning more about her pad.
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alaska releasing thousands of her e-mails as governor, including personal meas messages. we have them. president obama taking on those who spill secrets but the administration was just dealt a major setback. and speaking of leaks -- >> the material exposed it s an extraordinary range. >> cnn takes you inside the power of wikileaks and the man some call a menace and others call a maverick. >> well, hello to you all. t.j. holmes in for brooke baldwin. this day is one of the most gruesome days yet in the casey anthony trial. the jury hearing extremely graphic testimony about caylee anthony remains. it's been a lengthy battle about a photo cd over what the defense claims is disgusting. sunny hostin is on the case. let's start with you. we have a picture now of casey
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anthony's face. this is her face as they were showing some of those images on that cd. now, anybody could make their own estimation of what they think is going on in her mind, but what is it about this cd that has casey anthony and also her defense team so upset? >> it really is remarkable. they are trying to introduce this cd through a forensic anthropologist and it starts showing a picture of casey and caylee and then sort of through time lapse photography, portions of caylee smiling face is replaced with pictures of her skull, her remains. and then through also this time lapse photography, the jury will see, because it's been admitted, pictures of the duct tape and how they may have been positioned over little caylee's face. so extremely disturbing, almost a reenactment forensic clally o the cause of death.
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>> and on the stand today was a medical examiner saying that she certainly believes this was a case of homicide but that would fly in the face of what the defense is trying to say? >> oh, no question. she's sort of a celebrity medical examiner. she has her own show on the discovery channel. she basically said that she believed that little caylee anthony died of a homicide manner of death and then cause of death she said homicide by undetermined means. meaning she didn't know for sure, for certain how she died but chloroform could have led to her death and duct tape could have led to her suffocation and ultimate death. what was so fascinating, t.j., is that she was almost angry on the witness stand. she said, a little girl shouldn't have duct tape on her face and be left in the woods. so really, really strong testimony for this prosecution through it is medical examiner, chief medical examiner. >> and we talked about casey
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anthony's face, that face, reacting to pictures that they were shown. and other images that we have seen of casey anthony, she was crying in the court. we've had back to back days where she seemed to have broken down a bit. what is she reacting to in the courtroom? and i'm sure you hear as well, oh, is she just putting on an act? >> yeah. if people believe that many people believe this is crocodile tears, but this morning she was sobbing when one of the expert witnesses started talking about the fact that little caylee's remains, the bones had been chewed upon by animals and that seemed to really, really affect casey anthony. whether or not this is -- these are crocodile tears, we will never know. but certainly this is the type of emotion she showed this morning during that testimony. >> one other thing i can tell you, we've been fascinated. you can help me get a perspective here. you've covered more trials
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certainly more than i do. but this type of trial, we've seen people lined up. dozens and dozens every day, running and literally in some cases, almost fighting and scuffling, trying to get a seat inside. is this just what happens with these big trials now, i guess the trials that get so much media attention? not even a celebrity trial here, if you will. >> t.j., i've never seen anything like this. i've covered a lot of trials and covered my own cases. even with the connecticut versus hayes case, the home invasion case and got a lot of media coverage, there were seats opened to the public. we lined up pretty early. but nothing like this there are about 48 to 50 seats opened to the public that these folks are vying to get and they are lining up as early as 1:00 in the morning to get into the courtroom by 9:00 a.m. >> sunny, you can help give us
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some perspective here. the trial, kelly heney has been lining up to see this trial. first of all, kelly, you were there today but you were also there last week. how early have you been lining up to try to get into the courtroom? >> yes, i was. i actually got there as early as 3:00 a.m., both last week and this week. >> help us all understand, why do you want to be in the courtroom for this? >> being in there just makes everything so much real, just seeing casey in person, same with george and cindy and lee puts everything into perspective for me and just makes it all come into place rather than just watching it on tv. >> now, is that just part of a our culture now where we're fascinated by and maybe you could admit this, this story has gotten a lot of media coverage for a while now. is it just that almost celebrity
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culture and nature in you that you just want to see it and be a part of this reality television? >> i think so. it's very interesting, this whole case, you don't hear about this on an every day basis. the whole thing is just very strange to me. so that's why it makes it so fascinating to be in there. >> what is it like as well? you say you lined up at 3:00 a.m. and we're showing video here, i believe. i believe we have a shot of you. just how difficult is it? how crazy is it because we have seen scuffles even break out. what is it like down there trying to fight for a spot? >> oh, yes. when i got there, i was the fifth person in line and once they started getting past 50, we all started counting on our own and writing on our hands which number we were and the people in the back of the line did not care at all and said that they were going to be running in front of us. i took off my shoes and gave my bags to my friends and sprinlte
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as fast as i could and i got number nine. >> there are folks that will look at you and some of the other folks, we see smiling and this is a murder trial and we're talking about a little girl who was killed and it's also or seems to be by some made into a spectacle there for entertainment. how do you explain that? >> i guess it's turned into that, unnorth nately. it's like a dramatic "lifetime" show that you would watch. it's sad to say but it's true. >> do you plan ongoing back? >> i do. i plan on going at least once a week. it's very draining. i will try to go in there at least once a week. >> i was asking, do these people have jobs? now, i assume you were doing
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these on your days off? or how are you handling being down there all day? >> yes, i am going on my days off. it's six days out of the week and so i go when i can. so -- but everyone else i think they come on their days off or the retired or unemployed right now. >> sunny, now -- i think sunny is stale standing by. you've been able to hear kelly as well. now that you've heard that, an explanation from somebody that has been lining up every day, does it sound about right? >> i think it does. i think people are so obsessed and connected to the case because it cuts against everything that we believe in. that mothers are nurturers and mother nature and mother earth and now you have a story of a woman who may have killed her little girl. i think that's part of the fascination as well. how could this happen in our world? >> sunny, appreciate having you as well. kelly, good to have you on.
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be careful. we've seen scuffles and a woman get trampled down there. i believe that happened today. thank you to you both, you ladies have a good weekend. >> thank you. i want to turn to politics. alaska releasing thousands and thousands of e-mails from, yep, sarah palin during her time as governor and includes some personal messages as well. the media has been asking for these records for years. finally got them today. and our drew griffin is digging and dragging around, boxes upon boxes of those documents. we'll see what was inside. we're checking in with our drew griffith. [ bell chiming ]
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[ male announcer ] want to pump up your gas mileage? come to meineke for our free fuel-efficiency check and you'll say...my money. my choice. my meineke. well, today we learn a lot more about sarah palin, the governor. three hours ago the state of alaska released the e-mails palin wrote during her two years of the state top executive. more than 24,000 pages of this stuff. cnn's grew griffith is in juneau, alaska. cnn and others requested these e-mails way back in 2008. drew, i'm going to talk to you on the other side. first, i want you and our viewers to head off all of this release of the e-mails. let's listen and i'll ask you about it on the other side. >> a lot of the e-mails
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obviously weren't meant for public consumption. they are probably between family members. i'm sure people need to capitalize on this opportunity, to go through 25,000 e-mails and perhaps take things out of context. they will never truly know what the context of each one of the e-mails was. >> all right. drew, let me bring you back in. the context. what are you kind of seeing? is it hard to, like you said, trying to piece this all together? are things out of context or is something standing out of -- >> reporter: well, just think about how you abbreviate e-mails. there's a lot of deciphering that has to go on. but in the few hours that we've had to look overall of these documents so far, is a hardworking governor, workinging hard for the state of alaska, a lot of discussion about policy, about taxes, about cutting
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budgets, a lot of just the mundane state government work and we're also seeing what would be very interesting if you were writing a history book on sarah palin is her evolution as a politician. not only as a state politician but eventually as she becomes a national politician and she's kind of thrust on to the national stage. we've seen some of those supportive e-mails in the end of this. this, of course, ends just as she is being picked as vice president. i want to give you just a little sample in 2007, she's learning about leaks in her department and how to deal with them and one of them involves john, an aide that she had to fire and she saw something this the anchorage daily news, wonder how the bitney replacement mention already got in the ear. i can trust people in this business as far as i can throw them. have the two ever been offered
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the job? readi reading the ear a lesson to me, so fewer and fewer people should be brought into think out loud re:administration business. she's been accused of being secret and she has a tight, tight people that she trusts. you kind of see the evolution of where that came from. >> the things we know about sarah palin now, we know so much more now about her than as her time as governor. she's often been criticized for being -- she doesn't appreciate all of the criticism that comes her way. are you seeing any indication of that where there might be -- if she takes shots at the media, anything like that, and also troop brigade or any violations that you're finding? >> reporter: you know, we haven't -- that's what is -- we haven't seen it. it may just be -- i don't want to move so fast because we're on
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this computer system, but look at all of this stuff we have to go through, right? i have not seen anything on quote, unquote, trooper gate, the trooper that was fired. i have not seen any e-mails are really involving todd palin, who was supposedly the shadow governor in this administration. and as far as any cheap shots at the press, i haven't seen much of that. and at many times, t.j., she deflects the criticism to her staff. she's trying to take the full brunt of this. i just pulled this one out from august 31st, 2007. she's obviously driving home or being driven home and listening to a talk show. jay is brutal. i hope he's crucifying me and not all of you. as he tells alaskans how ill-equipped we are to run the state. she sent that to her top staff members. i also want to point out that she's very concerned about not
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getting information that she thinks she needs. this is about troops who are being sent from alaska to afghanistan and also those troops, fallen soldiers who have come home and she's writing this to her staff. as usual, i'm hearing on the news of our troops being deployed with ceremonies to afghanistan and shawn just asked if i'm going to funeral today for five of our soldier. i had to tell him that i haven't been told of deployment nor funeral. i've asked repeatedly to be in the loop and it's unacceptable to still not be given info on military activities that i am expected, and should, be participated in. later on, there's a follow-up on that where she learns, unfortunately, that these funerals happen once a month in alaska and she writes back, didn't know there was once a month funeral. i do want to get to those. thanks for tracking down the info. a lot of e-mails like those,
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somewhat different than the narrative that we've been hearing from certain political parts of the country, you might say. but we're still going through it page by page. unfortunately, all of this coming out in paper, not in any kind of digital, searchable form. >> 24,000 of those pages is the and a number of boxes. drew, thank you very much. also of note, you can see it yourself, those e-mails that will be available at cnnpolitics.com. wall street is not pretty. the dow dripping below 12,000 for the first time in months. we'll tell you what is behind the plunge. that is coming up. first, in the history of the u.s., it's extremely rare for the government to prosecute employees. the obama administration has taken on five cases. the last one didn't quite work out the way that maybe the administration had hoped.
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find out what this worker admits to leaking and why. it's a setback for president obama's push to punish these guys. that is next. was an archer drawing his bow. ♪ could that have also inspired its 556 horsepower supercharged engine? ♪ the all-new cadillac cts-v coupe. we don't just make luxury cars, we make cadillacs.
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is he accused of leaking classify government information to a reporter. but under a plea deal, a worker will not go to jail.
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jeanne meserve is in washington. help us understand. this is not what the government was hoping for. were they hoping to make an example out of this guy? >> they were. drake pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge after prosecutors decided they could not charge him with more serious information against him according to the washington post, the case concerned a 1.2 data building program called trailblazer and nsa efforts to collect american's e-mails and phone call information without court orders. prosecutors accuse him of leaking information to a reporter and charged him last year with ten counts. if convicted, he could have faced 35 years in prison. today drake pleaded guilty to the one misdemeanor, which was
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accessing information on the agency internet site and passing it on to another person. he was awarded a whistle blower prize and was exposing government legalities and this is a just result, his attorney says. tom drake never should have been charged under the he is pea najarian charge and he didn't. individuals granted special access to the most sensitive information cannot decide to disregard the law and the agreements they make with the government and how that information may be handled. sentencing is scheduled for july and the government has agreed not to press for jail time. back to you. >> can it have the same effect, even if they don't make the example with the conviction and he goes to prison. this isn't the only case that the government is going after and tryinging to prosecute folks
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who leak stuff. so still can that have an effect on trying to keep people from leaking? >> this is certainly a setback for the government. it wanted a much harsher consequence for mr. drake, obviously. but there are various other cases pending and we don't know what the impact will be on those, how those will turn out. you've heard of some of them. bradley manning accused of leaking information to julian assange and the government has been looking at cases against assange. a number of other things on the burner and this certainly is not great news for the government. >> jeanne, as always, thank you. >> you bet into all right. so this is a stage. this is where you're going to see john king, wolf, anderson on the stage. they are doing the lighting. >> coming up, don lemon
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apparently having a good time. he is going to give you a behind the scenes look at when republican candidates will debate. that's in three days. he's even going to breakdown where everybody is sitting. don lemon on the road in new hampshire having a blast. he's coming up right after the break. [ male announcer ] built like a volkswagen. the 2011 tiguan. [ grunts ] a we don't go lower than 130. ts a room tonight for 65 dollars. big deal, persuade him. is it wise to allow a perishable item to spoil?
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we have confirmed that leon
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panetta is in pakistan. a u.s. official saying that the cia director is in pakistan to "reiterate u.s. commitment to cooperation with them against al qaeda." you're seeing video of panetta at his hearing on capitol hill this week. he, of course, has been tapped to be the new secretary of defense so this relationship with pakistan is something that he's been dealing with as cia director and will continue as the head of the defense department as well. as you know, there was a bit of a hub-bub between the two countries going in unannounced to kill bin laden. there was some back and forth. the cia director has been tapped, as you know, to be the next defense secretary trying to work on the relationship and continued cooperation against al qaeda. but that word was just in to us. we can pass it along to you. moving now to politics,
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republican presidential candidates are converging on new hampshire as they always do for the first debate of the 2012 campaign hosted by cnn. crews working to get everything in place. don lemon going in depth as part of our listening tour to see how they are doing. take a listen to this. >> a sneak peak inside the debate hall. let's see. let's see. look. there's the plans. check it out. really cool. this way. this way. one of the coolest things, look at these huge light bulbs. these go inside of those cubes right there to light them up. amazing. all right. come over here. come over here. check this out. a lot of scaffolding right there. a bunch of cables. look at all of this stuff. basically, what they are going to do is turn this into a big studio. look at that. it's done. i'm not going to do that. all of the cable right here. what are you guys doing over there? look, guys under there working
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on the stage. but we've been told we can get up there, we're going to go up on to the stage. here we go. whoa. are you all right? this is a stage. this is where you're going to see john king, wolf, anderson on the stage, doing the lighting now. you can see that. this is going to be big. >> larry: el.e.d. screens. look at that. giant stage. the guys out there, check them out. the draping and there are the rice risers, people sitting, the star of the candidates, they are going to be here as well. i love these round circular things. they are called the chandeliers. they are going to go around and reuse them for different debates. any way, this is the first one. we're very excited. you got the first preview inside the hall here. look at all of these workers getting it ready just for you.
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you got to see it first. welcome to our temporary home. we're excited. hope you are, too. >> don, you look happy to be there. >> reporter: don't start, t.j. don't start. when you talk like thalike that know you are up to something. you look very happy to be there. >> reporter: i get paid to be outside of a studio and having fun, then, you know, it's not a bad gig. it's awesome. it's like a hotel on wheels, right? >> that hall is impressive. it doesn't look like we're ready just yet. >> reporter: yeah, it's not ready. i think we have time lapse video. i don't have a monitor so i can't see it. this is a day in the life. one day, that time lapse video. these guys have been working
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around the clock. and what's different this time, t.j., is that they are going to have people in remote locations around the country and they'll be able to ask questions to the candidates and anchors as well. it's going to be interesting. l.e.d. walls. over 500 lights, maybe more. at least three miles of cable easily and three projection screens. the three projection screens and 11 cameras, that's official. the other stuff we came up with. it's going to be great. this is the best part of being out there. jeremy, go along. are you ready? this is what we've been doing here all day. >> go long. >> reporter: all right. he says i throw like a girl. go long. go long. there you go. we're having a good time. i'm going to be doing my show from here. >> this weekend? >> reporter: yes, all weekend. >> now, what about the candidates themselves s? i know you ran into santorum.
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are they spending their weekend there or are they just swooping in on monday? >> a lot of them are just hiding from us, for sure. they would rather just be here for the debate. rick santorum is coming in on sunday night. we ran into him at the airport and had a very interesting conversation. he talked to us for a long time about some controversial and interesting stuff. a lot of the candidates are coming in over the weekend and they will be here for the debate. you know what? i'm sure you want to hear from -- i want to hear from newt gingrich. everybody just backed out and now people want to know exactly -- oh, my gosh. >> who is that? >> reporter: come here. i don't know. he looks familiar. oh, yeah, i think it's john king. >> tell john he has no show for 2 1/2 hours. he can't hijack this one. >> reporter: t.j. says your show doesn't start for 2 1/2 hours. >> he can tell excellent time. >> reporter: we've been having a
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good time, haven't we? >> you're pretty good as frisbee. >> reporter: i took a badmitton class in high school. >> did you ask t.j. what he is doing from 7:00 to 8:00? >> reporter: we want to you fill in because we're going to play frisbee golf. seriously, have you been inside that arena? >> yes. they are doing a great job. while he plays frisbee. >> fellas, go along, john king. do not let the bosses see this. you've got to pretend like you're working. done. >> reporter: oh, come on, john. i'm not going to do that. one more time. there we go. nice. >> we've lost our way. we have lost our way. did we not tell you this was live, don? don, please. don't let the bosses see you enjoying yourself out there.
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i know you guys are working. but, again, don, we will see you. this show live from new hampshire saturday and sunday evening. don, we'll talk to you soon, buddy. >> reporter: we'll see you there live. thanks. >> folks, that's the best political team on television. don't forget to catch the new hampshire debate. monday night. 8:00 eastern and you can only see it right here on cnn. all right. the dow took a bit of a plunge hitting a depressing milestone as economists reveal how long they think the economy will take to speed back up. that is next. also, another big story. we are getting word that the tsa is getting ready to fire dozens of screeners and supervisors and one u.s. airport. tell you what they are accused of doing.
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well, the heat is still boiling hot across the country. the economy is still lifeless. a survey raises a new concern. it's time for roulette. alison kostick is live in new york. >> the dow ending down 172 points, ending below that psychological park of 12,000 for the first time in three months. the nasdaq ended lower but lost all of its gains for the year. there was a new survey out from cnn money showing that the odds
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were still very low that we can fall into another recession. but the survey is also showing that there's growing pessimism and a lot of negativity. there's a 15% chance of recession, double the chance that they saw at the start of the year. still, nonetheless, it's a small, slim chance. t.j.? >> another big surprise, might be surprised at how much. >> yes. so the latest estimate from the usda says it will cost you $226,000 -- $226,000 from when your child is born up to the age of 18. talking numbers all day. they are spinning in my head. sorry about that. this dollar figure is up 2% from last year. and i'll tell you what, your income matters in this as well. generally, the more you make, the more you spend on your kids. the big caveat is that it
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doesn't count college which is about $50,000 a year at the current rate. the biggest expense -- >> feeding? >> close. it's actually housing. it's housing, child care, and then food. you're very close there. it costs a lot to raise a kid these days. >> so looking at the screen, child care, health care, clothing, transportation, i guess miscellaneous, that would be the xbox? >> here's the good news. if you want to decide to have a second child, your expenses are going to drop. they have the bedrooms, hand me down clothes, all of the private schools give you that, a second and a third. >> that is the economic advice, straight out of alison's mouth. alison, good to see you as always. next on the roulette, we're talking about the heat that is holding the central and eastern
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u.s. in a grip. chad myers, we've been talking about severe weather over the last few months. >> wouldn't we like to get a shower or storm to get rid of 102 degrees. atlantic city, new jersey, breaking a record. 102 has never, ever been in the lifetime that they've been taking temperatures, there are records in atlantic city, never been this hot, never over 100 this early in the season. new york was 102. d.c. was 102 yesterday as well. baltimore, 100. sunny, hazy, and hot. showers south of chicago. later on into tonight and parts of illinois, there will be -- maybe the place to be this weekend would be new york city. there will be a cold front coming through now that will really enhance your weekend. this front is going to drop to the south and give you temperatures back down into the 70s for highs. that's not all the way down to new york city from philly down to washington, d.c. not going to be there. you're still going to have to drive to the north, up into new
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england. maybe to the hamptons, if you can get a house. or maybe a tent. >> whatever works. >> all right. chad myers, we appreciate that. and alison kostick for playing in reporter roulette. they are looking for excuses to kill people. cnn taking an inside look at the power of a wikileaks. now a disturbing video that launched the controversial website into the world stage.
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firing 36 airports screeners, supervisors, and tsa managers at the honolulu airport. following an investigation that the screeners allegedly did not check bags for explosives on several morning flights. the man who founded wikileaks self-appointed champion and on sunday, cnn presents documentary revealed the side of assange that you don't know. taking a look inside the most controversial things that we have seen in quite some time. it's a video of a u.s. helicopter shooting at
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civilians. you may remember the video when you see it. as we show you this preview, we need to let you know that some of what you see may not be suitable for all viewers. >> right there by the body. >> okay. >> and what you see is a van that is coming to help grab some of the wounded people on the ground. the apache crew asked for permission to engage. >> again, this is an active battlefield. that van could have other fighters inside of it with weapons. those fighters could put our soldiers at risk and kill those soldiers that they are fighting. >> and they are playing video games with real human lives and looking for excuses to kill
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people. >> reporter: it turned out that there were children inside of the van. >> as you know, i have a decade in naval warfare. you're obviously 30 years in the army. soldier to sailor, ground pounder to ground pounder. should these men have exercised more restraint? >> i don't think so. what we have here, from everything that i've seen, is that they follow proper procedure. >> so if they did everything by the book, is there something wrong with the book? >> i don't think so. the book doesn't have every scenario, doesn't have every possible outcome. >> good to have you. good to have you here in atlanta. that video, what was the point of it in the first place and did it accomplish what julian assange wanted it to? that is what put them on the map. >> yeah, that's absolutely right. that was the intention. julian assange's intention was
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to have his own shock and awe campaign, to shock the consciousness of the general public into seeing what was actually happening in iraq. now, it did not have that intended effect. it didn't accomplish its results because people got hung up in a bunch of other things. when he released those documents later on, that had a more gigantic impact. >> it's like we can key leaks is a household name. even julian assange, it's a household name. did he really expect it to become this? and to change the balance of power. >> and the man himself, he had gotten into legal trouble outside of anything related to wikileaks, sexual assault allegation. where is he now and is he able to, quite frankly, continue with the work is he doing with wikileaks, given his legal situation? >> physically he's at a mansion
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in london, owned by a man named von smith, who is a well-respected journalist. whether he can be effective running we can key leaks is the important question because his name is synonymous with wikileaks and has both the investigation in sweden and potential impending investigation here in the u.s. so his ability to run wikileaks is damaged. >> can it survive without him? i mean, did he get something started here that can kind of go on its own even if he's not running? >> it's unclear whether wikileaks can persist without julian assange but there are other copycats. >> wow. all right. kaj larson, it's sunday night. we have that graphic that we're going to put up. there it is. if you're selling people on why they need to watch this on sunday night?
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>> because you're going to see a side of julian assange and learn things about we can key leaks that you've never heard before. >> all right. kaj, good to have you here. good to see you, buddy. again, sunday night at 8:00 eastern right here on cnn. meanwhile, have you heard what is happening with tracy morgan, one of the biggest comedians in hollywood under fire for what he said at a comedy show? and one of the guys in the audience is telling his story, an emotional one, to cnn and find out what he revealed to his parents just before appearing on television. that is next.
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all right. time to fast forward a bit. are you basketball fans or are you lebron haters or just fans of drama? you've got a big day on sunday because sunday could be the day that lebron goes without a championship. games six between the mavericks and the heat. the mavs pulled one off last night. now lebron and his team of stars just one loss away from missing out on at least one championship in their first year together. bringing in wolf blitzer.
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wolf, i know you're a basketball fan and have been watching these games. didn't think we would be at this point, as miami has played. a lot of people might get their wish, which is to see lebron lose. >> a lot of people want to see seven games. i want to see the heat win on sunday so there will be a seventh and final game. i love watching the nba finals. lebron has to show up in the fourth quarter and do what he normally should do. let's see how he does in game six and if there's a game seven. if he comes up and does what he needs to do, there will be a game seven and all of us will be watching game seven. i'm sure most of us will be watching game six as well going back to miami. it's a surprise the way how well dallas has done. he's amazing. you've got to admit. i just love the game. >> it's a head scratcher to see how lebron is playing. >> he's not showing up in the
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fourth quarter. he's mia and i'm not talking about miami. i'm talking about missing in action. he's got to show up in the fourth quarter and play and be lebron. that's it. >> they are going to jump on me now. what have you got on your show in a few minutes? >> we're going to talk about what is going on in libya, among other subjects. the top state official department, jeffrey felton and i'm going to ask, as it changed from not just protecting libyan people gadhafi forces but going beyond even regime change and is the mission not a kill to as sas nate, to target moammar gadhafi and kill him and get him out of the way. we have questions for jeffrey. he's going to be joining us live in the next hour. i think our viewers will want to see this interview. >> wolf, thanks so much. meanwhile, to our viewers, have you heard about the tracy morgan
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controversy? we've gotten an apology as this thing continues to escalate.
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trending today, tracy morgan's stand-up has been perceived as an anti-gay rant rather than a performance. morgan would pull out a knife and stab his own son if he found out the boy was gay. today he issued a statement, an apology. he said, i want to apologize to
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my fans and gay and lesbian community. i'm not a hateful person and don't condone violence behavior among others. my friends know what is in my heart even in a comedy club this went too far and was not funny in any context. kevin rogers attended the performance. let's listen. >> i greatly appreciate his apology. i only hope that it actually is genuine and that's how he feels. and if that is the case, he shows my community and fans that he is truly sorry for those remarks. i greatly accept his apology. >> mr. rogers, you saw there he actually had to call and tell his parents that he was gay. he had to reveal that to them before they did any interviews on television today. meanwhile, the human rights campaign, the organization also put out a statement sayingha

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