tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN June 24, 2011 10:00pm-11:00pm PDT
that was really the sticking point. played in the afternoon. the dealer who ranged or less that deal was reached, and the very motion it you heard so many people disrupting into applause and a gallery. even in the hallways, people had been here day in and day out waiting for this moment. they erupted into tears, people were saying, people were chanting usa, a very emotional evening. i spoke with one man, 45 years old, saying that he didn't know just unemotional this was going to be. that in his words everything was
the moment he will never forget. >> many believe the modern-day gay-rights movement began after a raid on the bar which i believe was in 1968. in terms of what happens now, how quickly will the people in new york state be allowed to marry? >> and 30 days. we have been told it is a matter of paperwork that has to go through in order for the exchanges to go into place and then and 30 days, we're told that people could start applying for licenses. and was up the boat about, in terms of the religious exemptions that so many had been concerned about, do we know the
specifics? it is not a term of churches being forced to marry gay people which is obviously something that is codified in the fall. it is also organizations that are affiliated with churches that would not be punished if they did not want to sponsor or have a game marriage, correct? >> that is correct. from how was explained to me is it that was ruled there was 1 part that was unconstitutional whole bill would be severed, that there wouldn't be any parts of this -- let's just say if it was challenged and any part was found unconstitutional then the whole bill would be deemed unconstitutional. >> mary snow, i appreciate the reporting tonight. thank you very much. right after the vote i spoke with evan wolfson of freedom to marry.org who's worked for this for a very, very long time. and richard sakaritis former advisor on gay rights issues during the clinton administration.
joining me here are two men who have worked very hard for this moment, evan wolfson and richard sakaritis evan, what do you think? >> i think this is wonderful. it's a win/win win. it's a win for families, a win for new york, it's a win for our country. it's even a win for the people who today are uncomfortable or uncertain and wrestling this because they're going to see that it took nothing away from anyone else when the family across the street is a little better off. and now we can turn together as americans, as new yorkers, to really working on the things that we really need to tackle together, the problems that are really facing all of us in these tough economic times. but of course we also now have many other states where this discrimination has to end. we have to end federal marriage discrimination against the legally married couples. and we have to work together to make our country better. but today was a big day for our country and for america and for our families. >> richard sakaritis, you heard a state senator ball earlier on this program who voted against this but whose biggest concerns really were beyond personal
concerns and a personal belief worries about religious exemptions and ground affiliated with religious organizations. they clearly worked very hard to make sure to dot all those is and cross all those ts. >> yeah. and i think that that was fair. and no one wants to force any religious organization or institution to perform any marriage they don't want to. this is only about civil marriage, only about getting a license at city hall. but the importance of this moment really cannot be underestimated. i mean, it is really stunning that in a very brief period of time we have gone from a point in this country where being gay was criminalized, you could be criminalized, you could be subjected to experimentation, you could be mistreated by doctors, by the police. in a very short period of time we've gone to the moment where we are really at a tipping point where gay people will be treated as full partners, full citizens
in this country. this i think we will look back at it and say, this was a moment when new york turned, california will get back shortly, and it's going to just lead to a lot of equality. and it's going to be a big celebration in new york tonight, i think. >> a lot of gay people in new york on the streets already. >> it's interesting it's gay pride weekend in new york. and it's interesting to see that crowd outside the stonewall. that is a bar in new york where many people believe or would say that the movement for gay equal rights really began. >> that is right. decades ago. it's been a long work to get here. but the one thing i want to add to what richard said is that though this is a momentous day and a huge step forward and a day to celebrate, we still have to work. we still have to.. we still have to have the conversations with our fellow americans about why marriage matters. we have to help allay the kind of concerns that were addressed tonight that new york took a big step in transcending.
change doesn't happen overnight. and it doesn't come easily. and every group in america has had to work to hold our country -- >> on the one hand you're saying suddenly now a lot will change but on the other hand you're also saying really everybody will wake up tomorrow and the sun will still shine and people won't notice much of a change. you're arguing their lives will not be affected. >> look, the gays are not going to use up the marriage licenses. they're not going to take somebody else's marriage away. but for gay people, this is a vindication of full and equal citizenship though we still have a lot of discrimination still to bring down. and for families, this is about strength and love and commitment and respect for that under the law. there's enough of that to go around for everybody. so for a lot of people, it's not -- nothing's go to change but for a lot of people it is going for change. >> having the ability in the state that you live in to marry, does it make you feel different? >> anderson, i don't usually put it in personal terms. but my partner and i this year
put rings on our hand to declare that we're enganged but it's on this hand, the right hand. when we're able to get married which now we can in our home in new york, those rings are going on the left hand because we will be able to say, we are not only in love, we're not only committed, we are married. >> and that's important. using that word is important. >> the statement of who you are in relationship to the primary person you are committed to in life, building a life with, is so important that most people wear its symbol on their hand. >> how soon will this occur? i mean, how soon will marriages begin to occur for gays and lesbians? >> the governor still has to sign the bill. an then 30 days after the governor signs it, marriages will begin. >> 30 days. but this is why -- this is the whole separate but equal debate in a different context. when we had racial integration in this country, the idea was that you could have separate categories for different racial minorities that would be equal or the same but they would just
be slightly different. but this is the whole separate but equal debate again in a different context. this is what this country is about. these constitutional rights are key to everybody, and they actually shouldn't depend upon what state you live in. that's why even though this has been a state by state thing and why we're hoping to get california next by court decision by the end of the year, it shouldn't matter what state you live in whether or not you can be married. these are constitutional rights that everybody ought to have. but there will be a big celebration. there'll be a big celebration this weekend. there's a parade sunday. the annual gay pride parade down fifth avenue. going to be led by andrew cuomo, the governor of new york. the gay rights movement tonight has a new hero in andrew cuomo. >> mary snow is joining us on the phone from albany. mary, the vote is done. they've adjourned, yes? >> reporter: they have. and anderson, as you probably heard, the senate floor and chambers just erupted in cheers
when the vote came through. there were indications even before that vote was taken that there were enough votes. you heard one of the republican senators had gotten up there and saying that he believed that he had done his research and that he had changed his mind. all throughout the day it's been such an emotional day here in albany, that amendment which was really pivotal, that was the turning point. as soon as there was an agreement on the language in that amendment, supporters felt very confident they could pass this bill. there have been not only people up in the gallery watching this voice, but supporters and opponents have been gathering as you know for days. supporters gathering here tonight are wanting to be in the capitol to witness this vote. >> mary snow, i appreciate your reporting. it's been a difficult story to figure out and to cover. you're doing a great job over the last couple of days. mary snow in albany much evan wolfson, thanks for being with us and richard sakaritis.
>> this man has devoted his life to this. it is a very important night that we thank you for your leadership on this. 20 years ago you said to me, this is the direction we have to go. not everybody in the movement agreed with evan. he has really led up in this. and it is an amazing moment for you. >> thank you, richard. >> extraordinary weekenders i'm sure. >> thank you. lots to celebrate. >> thank you for being with us. appreciate you being here for this moment. i believe i misspoke a few moments ago. i think i said the stonewall raid occurred in 1968. obviously it occurred in 1969 the we are waiting to go hear from new york governor andrew cuomo. we anticipate that really any moment. that's the podium where we believe he'll be speaking in literally a matter of a minute or two. let us know what you think we're on facebook, follow me on twitter @ anderson cooper. plus a deadly day of crackdowns inside syria. we'll have the latest on that and the latest from the casey anthony trial. details ahead. ♪
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of new york is expected to speak momentarily. you see podium there. we will bring that statement to you live. andrew cuomo obviously a champion of this effort to get this bill passed. before he comes on let's check in with joe johnson with a 360 bulletin. >> reporter: heavy security in boston today as alleged mobster james whitey bulger arrived for a hearing at federal court. he faces charges ranging from murder to conspiracy to extortion. the 81-year-old bulger was arrested in california this week. he had been a fugitive for 16 years. actor peter falk has died. he played lovable lieutenant columbo, the cigar-smoking detective who always appeared to be absent minded until he zero in on the prime suspect with that famous line "just one more thing". he was 83 years old. on capitol hill, mixed signals from the house about the operation against libya. it rejected a bill that would have cut funding for u.s. military operations against
muammar ca gadhafi. talk about a trophy, a texas man who says he's never been alligator hunting before bagged himself a giant the first time out. he killed a 14-foot, 900-pound alligator with a single rifle shot to the head. word is he's planning to mount the monster on his wall. and i just don't see how you get something that big on the wall, anderson. >> yeah. joe, thanks again. the breaks news tonight, the same-sex marriage soon-to-be law in new york. about 30 days we're told. we're waiting to hear from new york's governor, andrew cuomo. he's expected to speak any moment now. we'll bring that to you live. the pill passing new york's assembly. late tonight the senate. earlier i spoke with republican senator greg ball who voted no on the bill. let's listen. >> senator ball, thank you very much for being with us. you oppose what is happening right now in albany. what is your thinking on that? why do you oppose sm same-sex
marriage in the state of new york? >> at the end of the day, i've got to say i represent over 300,000 people. i wanted to listen to all of them. i felt it was ex trooply important when we got into this debate to make sure to have religious protections. thankfully we have some pretty strong religious protections in this bill. those religious protections didn't go far enough for me or many who live within the communities i represent. but they were strong enough for we saw tonight for some other senators. but i laid out very specific religious objections. they weren't comprehensive enough that i would like to see. but at the end of the day i believe we got some really strong -- in fact i know it religious protections that really aren't in other states. >> when you talk about religious protections, what specifically? basically church wouldn't be forced to marry gay people, obviously? >> well, that was obvious and that was obviously from the get-go people have to realize, there's a very clear definition
between religious marriage and civil marriage. many times when you talk about this, people feel as though chumps are going to be forced. even within this piece of legislation there's a very clear definition between religious marriage and civil marriage. but there were problems with religious institutions being protected. those weren't far enough. they protected religious corporations under new york state law but didn't protect individuals who conducted the sayer points. that's been protected now. then with religious organizations, knights of columbus is a good example but there are many, hundreds if not more. those were not protected. if they had been incorporated under a nonprofit law under the governor's initial legislation. those have been protected as well. the third category, the toughest needle to thread were for individuals and businesses with religious objections. for a lot of post of reasons, we realized that that was going to be the toughest to provide those religious protections. i wanted to see those. they were not necessarily addressed in this final piece of legislation. so i voted no. >> this has obviously been a tough vote for everybody.
for everybody it's a vote that in the end i think probably comes down to what you feel in your heart. for you, what was the process of this? >> anderson, i got to tell you. i am in a conference. we have some in our conference who are over 80 years of age. we have folks that fought in world war ii. combat veterans. and i have never been more pleased with state government, not bought of tonight's turnout but because of watching these individual members make this decision. it really -- you very rarely if at all heard about politics or political calculus. it was always about conscience. and i'm very proud of knowing that. a very tough decision. i opened it up. i wanted to hear from everybody. the final bill text really didn't come down until today. and a lot of tea party ralliers said read the bill. i would stand out in the corners. i had people from my base who i represent, they're very upset that i didn't just come out and say absolutely no. but i thought it very important to read the entire bill, to
fight for those religious protections. we're new york state. this isn't texas. marriage equality was going to come to new york state sooner or later. i thought it the responsible motive to make sure we had clear and convincing and compelling religious protections. we have them tonight. they don't go as far as i wanted. but we really have had a win they haven't seen in other states. >> senator greg ball, i know it's been a long process for you, long day and probably night will be. appreciate your time tonight. thank you. and let's listen in, andrew cuomo i believe is at the podium. he has not started to speak yet. he's just getting a lot of applause. let's listen. [ applause ] >> thank you very much. before we start i want to recognize some of the elected officials behind me. senator jim elisi, tom duane,
assembly woman debra glick, assembly mann matthew tutone and assembly mann harry bronson. i want to thank them for their support. i have to say this has been one of the most amazing six months in this state's history. and look back at what this man has done as governor. we've had an on-time budget. no new taxes. the changes that he has put forth in the state. he has changed the lives of new yorkers across new york state with what he's done with his leadership, his ability to get people to come and make a decision, culminating tonight we're now every new yorker has the right to marry. and i think when you look at what he has done and his partnership with the senate and the assembly and all the advocates has been absolutely amazing. and this state is lucky to have governor cuomo as its governor. i don't even need a note to say. this i said this last week, working with governor cuomo is like taking a painting class from picasso. looking at what he has done. and this state is changing. i can't imagine at any time in the history of this state that
more work has been done in six months than we've seen now. and what the governor has said from the start, that governor said what he wanted to do when he ran for office. he wanted to bring back respect and decorum and collegiality. the partnership that he has fostered and built with the senate and the assembly, both sides of the aisle, people working together to change this state has been absolutely amazing. and tonight to be a witness to history in this state is just something i don't think we'd ever duplicate. please welcome to the stage here a man who i will say this, i say this in his room so many times. i am so proud to work alongside this man. a man you trust him at his word. he says what he says publicly. he says behind the scenes. leadership matters, ladies and gentlemen. leadership does matter big time. you saw it right there in the flesh going back to january 1st through tonight. this did not happen by accident. it happened with leadership, vision, integrity, teamwork, all that. so please welcome -- the greatest governor in the history of new york state, the governor
andrew cuomo. [ cheers and applause ] >> thank you. thank you. thank you. thank you. thank you. thank you. thank you. thank you thank you thank you. thank you. first give a big round of applause to bob duffy who's just a great lieutenant governor, great partner. [ cheers and applause ] >> i couldn't ask for more. i want to applaud the legislative leaders, senator dean skelos and assemblymen sheldon silver who is observing the religious holiday this evening. senator john sampson, assembly mann brian cole. they did extraordinary, extraordinary work. my colleagues who are here today. lieutenant governor's exactly right. the past six months we didn't
work like we were democrats and republicans. we realized that first we were new yorkers, we worked in a bipartisan way. and that made all the difference. let's give the legislative leaders a round of applause. [ applause ] i also want to thank the people of the state of new york who were engaged in this session. we reached out to them through e-mails, through all sorts of forums all across the state. the advocacy organizations reached out to them. and they weighed in and they made a difference. democracy works when the people speak. and the people spoke in volumes over these past few months. and this legislature responded this week to their calls. bob is right. this was a period of historic progress. on all fronts. when you look at what we accomplished this legislative session, the past six months, we really did what we said we were
going to do. we laid out an agenda. we asked the people of this state to get involved. there was a comprehensive agenda. they got involved. and we made a difference. and whether it's the first property tax in the history of the state of new york, they were talking about it in the 70s. massachusetts had a cap in the 80s. it was first proposed for new york in the mid 90s. and we actually got it done. and that's going to make a significant difference for people all across this state. the rational tuition plan where people can actually plan and universities are going to know the tuition that they're going to get so they can finance a future. the university centers with the suny 2020 for the university centers, uv 2020 stoney brooke. that's going to make a major difference in major regions of this state. you can just go on and on. the energy plan that we did. if there hadn't been an article x siding bill in eight years and we got that done.
and a record that shows that you can make this thing called government work. it can perform. and it can do it with integrity. you put it together with a budget and the ethics bill and we really did deliver on the agenda. and i truly believe this state is on a different trajectory than it was six months ago. and what we accomplished this evening with marriage equality really in some ways brings it all home. because this state, when it is at its finest, is a beacon for social justice. the legacy of this state was that we were the progressive capital of the nation. and when you look back at so many of the great progressive movements, they were birthed here in new york. the women's rights movement wassed here in -- was birthed here in new york. the environmental rights movement was birthed here in new york. storm king on the hudson. the workers' rights movement was
birthed here in new york after the triangle shirt waist factory fire. all these great progressive movements. the gay rights movement was birthed at stonewall. and what this state said today brings this discussion of marriage equality to a new plain. that's the power and the beauty of new york. the other states look to new york for the progressive direction. and what we said today is you look to new york once again. because new york made a powerful statement, not just for the people of new york but the people all across this nation. we reached a new level of social justice this evening. marriage equality. we said to the legislators, you look at the first word "marriage". it's really about the second word "equality". it's really about new yorkers, our brothers and sisters looking at us and saying, we want equality. we want equality in society, equality in our relationships,
equality in our love, equality in our families. we want full recognition. marriage equality. and we did it today. and that legislature worked together and they responded to their better angels. they responded to their hopes, not their fears. 29 out of 30 democrats, four republicans who showed real courage. senator alesio who's with us today. let's give him a round of applause. [ cheers and applause ] >> and even the way we worked together to make it happen, senator tom duane and assembly mann dan owe donald who have been fighting this for years. i applaud mayor mike bloomberg who stepped up to the plate and
really really worked. i applaud governor david patterson who put this on the radar screen and on the agenda years ago and tried to pass it. you know, sometimes justice is an evolutionary process. and governor patterson in that first vote is an evolutionary process to where we are today. and i thank the advocacy community that came together from all across the nation and worked as one. and they were sophisticated and they were smart and they were constructive in their effort. and it was my pleasure to work with them. i'm always proud to be a new yorker. but tonight i am especially proud to be a new yorker. [ applause ] >> and last but not least, i want to thank the greatest team of government professionals ever assembled.
all these things that we did -- [ applause ] >> you're listening to new york governor andrew cuomo, a historic-history-making night here in new york state. just ahead tonight, a lot of other news to tell you about. a brutal day in syria. we'll show you how the assad dictatorship is trying to keep you from seeing the truth plus an emotional day in the casey anthony trial. three members of the anthony family breaking down in tears. a full report on today's testimony. stay with us. ossibilities. in here, the planned combination of at&t and t-mobile would deliver our next generation mobile broadband experience to 55 million more americans, many in small towns and rural communities, giving them a new choice. we'll deliver better service, with thousands of new cell sites... for greater access to all the things you want, whenever you want them.
the syrian regime is letting some reporters in. thousands of people putting their lives on the line continuing to put their lives on the line because they've seen too many friends murdered and they've been told too many lies for too many years. people believe that struggle against a murderous dictator has now gone too far to stop no matter what. we're talking about syria where today opponents of bashar assad's brutality paid a heavy price, the worst of it areas
around damascus, human rights groups reporting six killed in a pair of suburbs. >> this is new video from barza. in the kishwah, tear gas and automatic gunfire. at least 10 killed across country today, dozens more wounded. as many as 1600 have been killed since the uprising began more than three months ago. as we said, people taking to the streets now at any cost. in some cities they're now chanting "the germs want to fall the regime". assad has compared the uprising to an infection and called it the work of 6400 criminal thugs at large in syria. the idea of that is absurd despite the precise-sounding claim as if 6400, much less 64,000 murderous criminals can be wandering around in a police state as repressive as syria. it's a police state that has fired on people not even fighting the regime but simply trying to flee into turkey. turkish officials say nearly
12,000 syrians have crossed the border. others are still on the syrian side. troops have burned their crops. they've destroyed the sole bakery supplying bread to one of the camps. today the european union expressed grave concerns about syrian military activity near the border and called for "maximum restraint". remember just a few days ago bashar assad made a big speech calling for national dialogue and urging referees to return home saying "there are those who tell them or suggest to them that state will take revenge against them. i assure them this is not true. the army is there for their security and the security of their children". you might want to tell that to the family of this 13-year-old boy taken by security forces at a protest rally, kept for a month, tortured, mutilated, murdered, returned to his family as a brutal message of intimidation. signs are the intimidation is no longer working. not everywhere. now that regime has finally let in outside reporterses they've been parading them past dog and pony shows, staged pro-government rallies into marketplaces selling pointed hats with the dictator's picture and velvet paintings of him.
they're not letting the media anywhere near what is happening. in a moment you'll hear directly from a protestor who's been risking his life day in and day out while his friends are arrested and killed. arwa damon in damascus, last night you told us you were trying to get the syrian government to let you go to the areas where you could actually see the anti-government protests. i assume they did not grant that permission. >> reporter: no, anderson. at the end of the day they did not. we specifically asked to go to certain neighborhood. remember in syria when you're trying to report even before all of this began everything is permission-based. so we listed neighborhoods where historically we've seen anti--government demonstrations happening in the past where activists have been reporting casualties at the hands of syrian security forces. we were told that perhaps the permission would be coming through. that was the answer throughout the entire day that we got. while we were reporting on the ground from this one demonstration they did take us to a small pro-government demonstration. we received news about demonstrations happening
elsewhere in the capital, about the use of gunfire. we specifically asked to go and do our job, to report from the locations so that we could witness things for ourselves. and we were told, sorry, we don't have the permission for you to be able to go to these areas, anderson. >> clearly the syrian government is controlling or attempting to control the message that you're getting. are you able to get a feel for whether people on the streets themselves believe what they're saying to you? obviously when cameras are rolling, you have a government minder there. people say very pro government things. clearly there are people that support the government still in syria, a lot of them. >> there are, anderson. the syrian regime still does enjoy a fair amount of support. the demonstrations here are nowhere near the scale of what we were seeing in egypt, for example. but when we're out speaking to people we are constantly operating in the shadow of the government. the minders are out with us at all times. and so far we've really only been able to see a sliver of what is taking place here inside the old city.
where we were taken today, just outside of the mosque, a few dozen people coming out of the mosque erupting into pro-government chants and then ranting about how everything happening inside syria was this elaborate, international, well-plotted conspiracy, putting forward theories like the fact that the demonstrators were being sprayed with poisonous water that was making them more aggressive, that it was armed gangs amongst their ranks that were shooting demonstrators then blaming the security forces for it. and one woman was going so far as to say that those refugees, the thousands that we saw fleeing from northwestern syria into turkey, she was saying, look, those aren't refugees. i don't believe that they're refugees. those are hostages. and they are also part of this elaborate plot to bring down the government, anderson. >> it's interesting. arwa damon, appreciate it. stay safe. coming up, tears flowed today in the casey anthony trial. cindy and lee anthony both breaking down on the stand. what made them cry and what they said under oath today. of complicated engineering
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to bolster their theory that 2-year-old caylee accidentally drowned. the biggest surprize came from lee anthony casey anthony's brother when asked about her secret pregnancy. here gary tuchman. >> reporter: casey anthony trying at the defense table. her mother cindy crying on the stand. >> i was -- i was very hurt. and i didn't want to -- i don't think i wanted to believe it, you know. >> reporter: her brother lee, crying while he testified. her father george, solemnly watching all of them from the back of the courtroom. the evidence in this case is seemingly revealed the anthonys to be a dysfunctional family. and that is just what the defense wants the jury to think. casey anthony's attorneys say little caylee was not murdered, she drowned. and casey and her father covered it up. they also claim casey was sexually abused by her father george, so she's used to keeping family secrets.
cindy anthony sits with george in court virtually every day. yet she helped bolster the defense scenario on the stand today. >> do you know what that photograph is of, mrs. anthony? >> yes. >> would you like to take a break? do you need a break? >> no. i'm okay. >> can you tell the ladies and gentlemen of the jury what that is? >> it's a picture of caylee walking up the ladder and i'm behind her holding her. >> as the jury saw pictures of cindy and caylee at the pool where the defense says she drowned months later and casey continued to cry, cindy anthony talked about the day caylee disappeared, supporting the defense's position that caylee climbed into the pool herself. >> on june 16th, 2008, did you come home and notice that pool ladder was up as depict in the photograph? >> you mean on the -- >> the ladder. >> yes. it was on the -- it was attached
to the pool. >> and was that a highly unusual event for you? to see that? >> yes. so much that i called george at work to see if he had left the pool ladder up. because i also noticed that the side gate was open at the same time. >> reporter: and then there's brother lee, also implicated by the defense in opening statements of trying to molest his sister. but he showed no hard feelings towards his accuser, defense attorney jose baez. instead, he seemed to support the defense's claim the family was dysfunctional by saying he felt left out of casey's pregnancy and the birth of caylee. >> i was -- i was very angry at my mom. and i was also angry at my sister. i mean, i was just angry at everyone in general that they didn't -- that they didn't want to include me. >> reporter: casey cried as hard as she has the whole trial while listening to her brother.
prosecutors are in a tough spot. they believe casey planned the murder of her daughter. and also know two grandparents and uncle have lost a loved one. but it's clear the way prosecutors talked to them in the stand that they now think cindy and lee are covering for casey. prosecutors asked lee why he was crying now and not when he was asked similar questions two years ago in a deposition. >> i don't want to be here. i don't want, you know, my sister to be here and my parents to be here. >> reporter: prosecutors were also firm with cindy as they tried to stop any drowning theory momentum. >> you showed us photographs of caylee getting in and out of the pool. did your daughter tell you that there was an accident involving the pool? >> objection, judge. outside the scope. >> overruled. >> no, ma'am. >> in fact, she continued to assert to you after july 15th of
2008 that the child was kidnaped by a babysitter, correct? >> that's correct. >> reporter: casey wasn't crying after that statement. she was back to her poker face. >> so gary, i understand you ran into casey's brother lee anthony outside the court today. what did he say to you? >> yeah. i went to a sub shop for lunch and i saw him in the sub shop eating by himself. he wasn't with his parents. i asked him he had just cried on the stand 15 minutes earlier. i asked him how he was doing. he said i'm doing the best i can. then i said to him in opening statements defense attorneys says you tried to sexually abuse your sister. how do you feel about that? he told me, i can't talk about that. i thought it was a very interesting comment that it was obvious he didn't want to hurt his sister's case. that's what he told me. >> do we know how much longer this trial goes on for? >> we think we do now. the judge asked the defense attorneys, tell me how much longer this will take for you to present your case. they said they'll be done by this wednesday or thursday. the prosecution then said it has a rebuttal case for a day or
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